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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 1275 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Kelsey is a former health coach who has type one diabetes and Hashimotos. Today we're going to talk about things related to that. I never know what to say here. Just listen, it's gonna be great. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. If you or a loved one was just diagnosed with type one diabetes, and you're looking for some fresh perspective, the bowl beginning series from the Juicebox Podcast is a terrific place to start. That series is with myself and Jenny Smith. Jenny is a CDC as a registered dietician and a type one for over 35 years. And in the bowl beginning series, Jenny and I are going to answer the questions that most people have after a type one diabetes diagnosis. This series begins at episode 698 In your podcast player, or you can go to juicebox podcast.com. And click on bold beginnings in the menu. Are you a US resident who has type one or is the caregiver of someone with type one? Are you tired of hearing me say that you should go to T one D exchange.org/juice. Box and fill out the survey? Well if you are go fill out the survey and I'll stop saying it really is that simple. T one D exchange.org/juice box this show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo Penn Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox. US med is sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast and we've been getting our diabetes supplies from us med for yours, you can as well. Us med.com/juice box or call 888-721-1514 Use the link or the number get your free benefits check it get started today with us med this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the ever since CGM. And sure all CGM systems use Transcutaneous sensors that are inserted into the skin and lasts seven to 14 days. But the Eversense sensor is inserted completely under the skin lasting six months ever since cgm.com/juicebox.

Kelsey 2:27
Hi, I'm Kelsey. I was diagnosed with type one diabetes in October of 2022. That math is pretty easy for you, Scott, I think it was about three months after I had my son, my first kid so kind of became a mom and a diabetic at the same time, which has been wild to say the least.

Scott Benner 2:50
You got a type one diagnosis in October, which is just a year and a few months ago.

Unknown Speaker 2:55
Yep. Okay.

Scott Benner 2:58
Were you gestational during the pregnancy?

Kelsey 3:00
I was Yeah. That's kind of how it It started in a way. Before I got pregnant. I had a I had some blood work done. I have worked with a functional medicine doctor for years. And so I do regular blood work. And I had a pre diabetic agency, I think it was six. He was like, that's weird. You eat pretty well and like you exercise and I just keep an eye on that. And so it's like, okay, odd. And I've been in health and fitness for a while now over 10 years. So I I knew about blood sugar. And I actually already had a, like a little glucometer. So I started testing my blood sugar. And it didn't look too bad. Like my, I think my fancy numbers were sort of high. They were a little over 100 But there are a few times where I ate like white rice or something. And I was like, Oh, dang, that is not normal.

Scott Benner 3:52
Oh, okay. Give me a second here. How old are you?

Kelsey 3:55
I am 33.

Scott Benner 3:57
When did you start checking your blood sugar?

Kelsey 4:00
You know, I did like, since I've been in health and fitness for so long. I had done this like carb challenge, probably when I was in my mid 20s. Okay. And so I had a glucometer then, and I didn't notice I don't remember noticing anything super crazy. Like if I went off the rails with some carbs. It got I think in like the 130s or something. So I had a glucometer already and I had actually want to CGM before too. So it's pretty familiar with like blood sugar in the technology already.

Scott Benner 4:32
And that the rice spike you talked about that's in the 130s back when you were tracking before you had diabetes. I don't

Kelsey 4:38
know why I remember but it was like plantains, okay. Plantains or something. And I was like, Oh, maybe I shouldn't need these. It was you know, it was it was something like that.

Scott Benner 4:46
Okay, all right. I have the whole thing you keep saying you're in health and fitness makes me laugh because my podcast is in the health and fitness category. And if I saw myself by looked at myself in the mirror right now, I'd be like, ah, we should all get the top 20 podcasts in Health and Fitness medicine, which is my subcategory and take a photo together and people will be like, how did that guy get in there? Right? The rest of them look like they're on testosterone.

Kelsey 5:09
I actually used to work for a few people probably in that category. Oh, totally. Right. Totally. Right.

Scott Benner 5:14
I love it when like, there's some of these, some of these podcasts I enjoy, right? But I like I see that. I see what this one guy um, I don't want to say his name. But I see him on Instagram. And he's like, my age. And he looks like he gets lift up a truck. And I'm like, Ah, all right. Just the cold plunges. All I have to do

Kelsey 5:32
you have to do the sauna and then the cold plunge, and then

Scott Benner 5:34
you'll go on a cold, maybe some red light therapy at some point.

Kelsey 5:38
Yeah. On your on your balls, put them right on my body.

Scott Benner 5:41
Take that red light, I jam it right up my face. And then I look like Hercules apparently. And I'm like, all that podcast does make me think. Should I use my endocrinologist about testosterone? Literally all it makes me think

Kelsey 5:56
you're not wrong. You're not wrong. Can

Scott Benner 5:57
we go back for a second? What did you is this a professional thing for you? What were you doing?

Kelsey 6:01
Yeah, um, so I actually have a health coach certification. So I was working one on one with clients a while ago. And then I started working for a supplement company, that it was a startup and they were owned by one of those influencers, like one of those podcasts influencers, I won't throw any names out.

Scott Benner 6:20
But later you'll tell me right when we're done recording,

Kelsey 6:23
maybe. I worked with them for a while as their marketing manager and kind of developed some courses for them. So I've been in the space for a while and like I just have a personal interest. Yeah, yeah. Have been on literally every diet that you can, you can imagine. So, yeah, it's been an interesting ride into type one from there.

Scott Benner 6:46
Have you found a style of eating that fits your body best? I would

Kelsey 6:50
have said yes. Like before I had the type one diagnosis. And now I think I'm looking at it from a different perspective, if that makes sense. So I would say paleo for sure. Just kind of like going moderate low carb, kind of avoiding grains and I've been gluten free for over 10 years. It was like after college I I went gluten free. And yeah, I would say like mostly paleo, pretty low to moderate carb. That's kind of how I feel the best I've done like him, I get into it. But I he was basically like keto while I was pregnant, like strict keto, because obviously I was diabetic and didn't have insulin, and I just couldn't handle any carbs. Yeah. And I actually felt pretty good. But I wouldn't advocate for that like long term for myself or probably any woman my age. It's just I think it's kind of stressful on your thyroid. Okay. So yeah, I would say I always kind of come back to paleo like, me veggies, little bit of fruit. That's kind of the staple. For sure.

Scott Benner 7:49
I gotta be honest. I think that's, I mean, that's how I eat on the day, like most of the time, give me like, Hey, don't you think that's how I liked it. We call it paleo. Right?

Kelsey 8:01
It's just like, like, well, I don't know. It's not even Whole Foods, right? Because like, you could argue that grains or Whole Foods, so some people call it ancestral eating.

Scott Benner 8:10
Yeah, they call it a lot of different things when they're trying to sell it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. But yeah, can you do this with me for a second before we go back to your pregnancy, if you take insulin or sulfonylureas you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most. Be ready with G voc hypo pen. My daughter carries G voc hypo pen everywhere she goes, because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar and people with diabetes ages two and above that I trust. Low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly and they demand quick action. Luckily, G voc hypo pen can be administered in two simple steps even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you store Chivo Capo pen and how to use it. They need to know how to use G Bo Capo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why G vo Capo pen is in Ardens diabetes toolkit at G voc glucagon.com/juicebox. G voc shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys called a pheochromocytoma. Or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma. Visit G voc glucagon.com/risk For safety information. I don't know how you guys order your diabetes supplies like CGM pumps and testing equipment. But at our house, we use us Med and I'm gonna walk you through the entire process right now. I'm looking at the email from us med it says it's time to refill your prescription. Dear Arden please click the button below to place your next order. Then you click the button. That was it. Two days later, I got this email. Thank you for your order from us med we wanted to let you know that your order and to give As you in order number was shipped via UPS ground, you can track your package at any time using the link below. And then there was a link, and then it showed up at our house. Now I'm going to walk you through the entire chain of events. On the 29th, which was the Saturday, I clicked on the email on that Monday, the first I got an email it said the order had been sent. Four days later on the fifth, the package arrived. If you can do it easier than that, you go get it. But if you can't, US med.com/juice box or call 888-721-1514 Get started today with us med get your diabetes supplies the same way we do. I think you are in a unique situation here to answer some questions for me. Okay, there are things I say on the podcast sometimes that I think people might be like, Oh, he's just ranting and raving. But I know what about having to serve content to people and having to grow and the fact that if it stops, especially with a social media driven society, right, like, I'm not a big company, I can't buy an ad during the Superbowl. This is my way to reach people. I have to say you were in marketing, right? So yes, I know what I have to do. Like I have a simple marketing plan. I make content that helps people. I put them first. And then I sell ads. So I said that's that's it for me. I thought about it long and hard. And after the podcasts got very popular, companies came to me about monetizing the podcast and like they were like, You know what, like, not advertisers, like companies were like, you could sell your downloads or put it behind a paywall or do all these other things. And how many listeners you have imagined how much money that would be? And I was like, but then people won't find it. Right? I want it to be free to the people listening to it. Yeah, that's my marketing plan, make good content that's entertaining and valuable that people will share that will help them and then let whatever happens happen. And that's going well. But that's not really most people's marketing plan. Right? Most people's marketing plan is pick aside, argue, fight brand, use words that make some people mad and some people happy. And then we'll just take the money from the people who agree with us.

Kelsey 12:23
That's the marketing plan, right? Yes. Especially like for a lot of supplement companies in the space, I would say, yeah. So

Scott Benner 12:30
when when someone's out there arguing, like, Gosh, what's one of the like, You got to eat calf livers every day. And you see somebody literally with a calf liver in their hand taking a bite out of it. And you're like, oh, he really wants to sell those vitamins. So that's what I mean. That's what I think when I see it happen. Yeah, I think what, what what he wants to happen, or she sorry, is for the people who agree with them to go Yeah, look, how we can do it is is I want to be that into it. And then get into a fight with the people that disagree with them. Because the fight keeps the people that are into it into the social media that you need to keep people in touch so that they'll buy more stuff. I have all that right, right. Yeah,

Kelsey 13:11
for a majority of people. Yeah, I would say that. That's that's kind of what marketing is. Okay.

Scott Benner 13:17
Yeah. Do you think people know they're being manipulated? Sometimes?

Kelsey 13:21
Yeah. But nobody likes to be manipulated. So I think if you if you know, you're being manipulated, you'll usually kind of turn it off. But I don't know. I think people like to buy stuff, too. You know what I mean? Like, people like to try things and they want to, they want to think that something is going to help them or they're going to look a certain way or feel a certain way. So

Scott Benner 13:42
it's a way to feel like you're doing something without doing something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I could go for a walk and maybe stop in the middle and do a sit up. Or I could try this vitamin. I'm pretty sure it's going to fix everything. I'm sure. I'm pretty sure Kelsey that it's a great secret. That's Captain only these few people who follow this person on Instagram know about I'm gonna get him on the ground floor. I'll be super skinny and very tone. By the time everybody else figures it out. Right. By the way, I take vitamins I'm not saying bye. Bye. way. Hold on a second. This is my multivitamin. All right, it's right.

Kelsey 14:19
Here here. Yeah, right with you.

Scott Benner 14:22
You know, I dosed myself a little heavy with vitamin D. I take a multivitamin. I do think I do if I drink athletic greens, you know, like that kind of stuff. But I don't think I'm gonna get taller or you know, suddenly look jacked over. I just I'm not exhausted at the end of the day. You

Kelsey 14:41
know? Totally. Yeah, you probably don't. I mean, sometimes people are just in a vulnerable space where their psychology can be manipulated a little bit more like I've been there. You know, when I was invited, super sick and I'm just like, I can't figure it out. You buy a bunch of things and try it. So I don't fault people for are no one unquote falling for marketing like that? I don't either. Yeah, it is. It is interesting. And I, if I'm being honest with you, I think the way that you're doing it, I was a Content Manager. So like organic marketing, not necessarily like the paid manipulative stuff, is what I love. And what you're doing is organic marketing, right? Like you're putting out valuable content that people will share. They'll tell their friends about and you're kind of putting all your eggs in that basket. And it sounds like it's working. Because that's literally how I heard about your podcast. Yeah.

Scott Benner 15:32
Yeah. The people who listen and succeed and are kind enough to tell somebody else there my marketing, right? Yeah, yeah, that's it. And, yeah, word of mouth. You know why? So I want everybody just, we're gonna move on in a second, Kelsey. But I want everybody to extrapolate a little farther now that we've explained all this. Why don't other people

Kelsey 15:49
do that? They don't have good content to put out that helps. They don't. Yeah, that helps people. Yeah, they don't, or they don't know that they need to put time and energy into that. I guess that makes sense. Yeah,

Scott Benner 16:04
I'm watching people online call themselves diabetes coaches, and they get a hold of you. And they take a fee, a weekly, a monthly a yearly fee from you. And basically, they look at your basil for you. And then they tell you how to Pre-Bolus your one seed drops a point. Do you think that the second coming of Christ? And do you feel like you got your money's worth? Meanwhile, yeah, you could just listen to any number of episodes of this podcast and do that on your own. So I have two

Kelsey 16:29
thoughts about that. One is, yeah, there's way more diabetes coaches out there than I am, like, I thought type one. I mean, type one is rare, right. But there's like a lot of type one coaches out there. I was, I was very surprised. You know, what

Scott Benner 16:42
did that be? What did that COVID This pocket? COVID. Yeah, do that. People lost their jobs. They're like, I have ABS I have diabetes. My one season the sixes. I know what to do. Yeah.

Kelsey 16:55
So and also be having been a health coach before. They're also just certain types of people that really, like they could go learn on their own the same information, but they really want support. I do believe that. Yeah, yes. And they do find that valuable. And it's like, yeah, you could go read this book. Or I would rather just pay you because like, I'd rather spend money than time, and you just tell me what to do.

Scott Benner 17:18
I also have no trouble with that. Yeah, I really don't. I understand that some people, that's their desired learning pattern, and it works well for them. So I'm not saying everybody should just listen to the podcast, and everybody else should go to hell. I'm saying that there are a lot of diabetes coaches. Yes, there are. And sometimes in their social media, I see a lot of words strung together that sound like they were pulled right out of the transcripts of my podcast, and that's okay. What am I gonna do? It's fine. You know, it's also, I don't know, I feel bad at my core. You shouldn't have to pay money to like, be healthy. It just doesn't seem like it's only information. You know what I mean? Right. I'm not having to mine it out of the ground and give it to you. So Right. Yeah. Anyway, you make a good point on both sides. So yeah, I mean, if you need a health coach, that's great. I mean, there's a strong, you know, argument to be made that that's what Jenny does. Oh, sure. Yeah. Uh huh. I have no trouble with that at all. I, it's fine with me. It's something to do with I don't know, it's the it might be just me. It's something tastes wrong to me. When it's on social media. Yeah,

Kelsey 18:24
there can be a weird way to do it for sure. And I mean, if if you're seeing like your same content being put out that that happens a lot and like every space, but impersonation is the best form of flattery, right? Like they're obviously finding your content valuable enough to use it themselves. So yeah,

Scott Benner 18:43
I would tell you, and I will, I will leave all the names out of it, that there is a person online right now selling themselves as a diabetes coach. Who is who How do I how do I say this? They got their information from someone else because they didn't know what they were doing. Then they wrote it all down, and what they're very good at is repeating it back to other people. Sure. Yeah. You know what I mean? So yeah, very, it's just insane. I don't know the whole thing makes me feel lucky. Anyway, not to say again, not to say there's anything wrong with helping people or taking money to help people i don't i don't actually don't have any trouble with that. It just it doesn't sit well with me. So I'm sorry. You're in the hospital. Sorry. Yeah, make a baby. The baby comes out. And 16 minutes later Kelsey baby comes like flying out or maybe didn't maybe hang hung onto your bed. I don't know what they hang on to when they're coming out but and you're a new mom and super excited. And then what happens?

Kelsey 19:43
Yeah, he hung on for quite a while. I'll just say that.

Scott Benner 19:47
Like around your livers, something like that. Oh,

Kelsey 19:49
God. He did not want to come out. My no yeah, he was born. So I guess going back like, yeah, gestational diabetes. I failed the glucose test miserably. Hmm. I think I was in the three hundreds and nurses kind of kind of kept coming back to be like, are you okay? Are you okay? I'm like, yeah, go fine. And they later told me that they were testing their glucometer on themselves to make sure it wasn't broken. That's how badly I failed it. And so they basically like tried to do it without insulin for a while I worked with a diabetes educator that are telling me all this generic that didn't work. And I'm like, Look, I'm not eating carbs. Like, I'm already like, something's going on here. And they kind of just kept telling me it was gestational and it probably go away. No one mentioned type one to me at all. And so I had him. It was just like a stressful pregnancy. I was like walking after every meal to try to get my sugar's down. paying out of pocket for a CGM. Yeah, but I was eating super healthy. So yeah, he came out perfectly healthy. No blood sugar issues, no issues, breastfeeding, like he was great. Other than just being a wild child.

Scott Benner 20:59
So you think you have a slow onset? Hold on a second? Yeah. A smart me to put a lozenger in my mouth while I'm making a podcast. Rob, you can leave that thing gone. I guess I got like a little dry. And I was like, she's telling a good story. I'm moisten up. And then I wanted to talk and sorry, so you probably were experiencing a slow onset of type one diabetes, not gestational? Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Kelsey 21:24
That would be my guess, just considering that I had a high a one C before I got pregnant. Yes. So my guess would be I was sort of in a slow burn. I was probably managing it just by being very healthy and like eating well, for so long. Yeah. But yeah, I think either my pregnancy kind of just, my pancreas just gave up or I'm guessing it was a pregnancy. And then I had a pretty tough labor too. So I'm sure that sort of

Scott Benner 21:52
played into it as well. Do you have a thyroid issue?

Kelsey 21:55
I do. Yeah. So I have Hashimotos as well. Yeah, that's not

Scott Benner 21:59
your notes, but I've started Yeah, yeah. Did you get that before or after the baby?

Kelsey 22:04
Yeah, before so I've had that. That's kind of what kicked me off in the health and wellness. I was diagnosed with that. I probably it was probably like in my late teens, but I didn't figure out what it was until like my early mid 20s.

Scott Benner 22:17
Were you very thin during that time? Yeah, so I

Kelsey 22:21
lost a lot of weight. My biggest symptoms like my hair falls out in chunks. So yeah, it's awful. So anytime my thyroids off that's kind of like my sign of like, okay, we need to go get get our labs checked. All the things like really cold really thin. Yeah, that sort of thing. And that kind of runs in my family too. Like my mom has Hashimotos and my grandma does as well.

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Kelsey 24:14
Yeah, just the women as far as I know. Yeah.

Scott Benner 24:17
So you have and it's diagnosed Hashimotos you they were tested for antibodies? Yes. Yep. Take just T three or do you take T three and T four.

Kelsey 24:26
Oh man, I've taken it all Scott. I've taken just the generic levothyroxine I've taken combo with T three. I've taken the desiccated thyroid armor, and I am actually now just on T four. I had started working with a guy that's like he's kind of like an expert in thyroid in the field. And the T three was actually making me worse, taking it long term. So we're kind of titrating it back and trying to figure it out from there, but it does make you feel better for a little while. And then I sort of just like plateaued and got worse. What

Scott Benner 24:59
were you You trying to adjust? So for people who don't know, sometimes people take T four which you know could be tiersen Synthroid, that kind of drug. Yeah, but still have symptoms. And like Arden's one of them if you give art and just tiersen she's exhausted and like different kind of exhausted like poured in a puddle exhausted, but if she if she didn't there, yeah, but if she just takes like point two five micrograms, like the tiniest, isn't micrograms. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the tiniest little bit of T three, she's fine.

Kelsey 25:28
Okay, interesting. And how to were like, you get her lab or her lab work done pretty regularly.

Scott Benner 25:34
Her TSH stays under two. Okay, that's what we're shooting for. And again, much like you aren't seeing an integrative endocrinologist who's managing her thyroid, and actually manages her diabetes now that she's an adult too, but manages diabetes is like a that's a funny word to say. Because I think if you had that endocrinologist right here, and I asked her, What do you do for RNs? diabetes, she'd say, I write prescriptions and listen to what you told me. So

Kelsey 25:59
yeah, you guys have probably more managed than anyone else. Yeah.

Scott Benner 26:03
But on the thyroid side, she's fantastic. My son, my daughter, and my wife all need thyroid medication. Oh, your son too. Wow. Yeah, it hit him. In his sophomore year, actually, during COVID sophomore year of college. He had the weirdest onset, it was crazy. He got a itching rash from his waist to his neck. Oh, if his body heated up, or if he got excited or scared, that's thyroid related. I've never heard of that. Guess what? We didn't either. So the first thing we did was took him to what would you what would you call that person who helps you with allergies and allergist?

Kelsey 26:43
Sorry, that was a big stretch.

Scott Benner 26:47
And they tried to handle it that way. You know, all kinds of stuff. He's taken all kinds of drugs trying to suppress it, nothing mattered, he had to stop working out. He got to the point where it was November, if I remember. And he had to sit in his bedroom with his windows open to keep his body temperature like under 60. Like, like the temperature in the room had to be like under 65. Or he risked breaking out if he moved quickly. It was insane. Well, it felt like it was killing him. And we were starting to look into like injectables to like, like immune suppressing it because we didn't know what was going on. And I was just up late one night, just combing through NIH articles. And a very uncommon sign of a thyroid problem can be a rash. But what do you call it when you break out like well, not well, it's why is it simple word? hives. Thank you what though? Kelsey, you already curse So I can pursue now. Because now Rob's listening for curses while he's doing. So.

Kelsey 27:45
I haven't said any all you said. Oh, did I yeah, you write it down when someone says something nice

Scott Benner 27:52
man that I pay money to takes it out later. And so he's probably like, yeah, why don't you write it down? That would make it easier because I'll skip like, it's I'll skip one and then I'll you know, anyway, and then it'll all be a mess. So my son's in dire trouble. We figure this out. I go right to Ardens Endo. And I tell her what's going on. And she's open minded. She's like, wow, that that would be very rare. But yeah, let's give it to him and see what happens. We're most doctors would be like, that's not what that is then let him struggle for the rest of his life. She threw some tears and Adam and like a week later,

Kelsey 28:24
it was gone. Interesting. Wow. That's fine. Now he

Scott Benner 28:28
is he takes tiersen and a tiny bit of armor for T three.

Kelsey 28:32
Did you ever get his numbers tested to see like, where's TSH was at or anything?

Scott Benner 28:37
Oh my god. At one point. After we focused on thyroid, his TSH had this. I think it was a seven at 1.0. Yeah, it leapt way up. So he was in a bit of a thing. It leapt up, it went back. And then of course, so doctor, the regular doctor because I had sniffed out in July previous to this happening to him. I hope he never hears this or if he hears it, whatever. He was acting like a douchebag. I don't know another way to put it. And it was very uncharacteristic for him. And I said to him, you're going to the doctor and getting a blood test, I want to look at your thyroid levels. And it came back at like two and a half or something like that. And I only took him to his general practitioner. So his doctor was like, that's not that's not a problem. I'm pointing at him like you sure I said because this seems like this to me. And he goes, Why do you think that I said because my wife had undiagnosed thyroid when I was younger, and I had already dug a hole to push her in because I thought I was gonna have to kill her because she was such an asshole while this while this is happening to her, and like it just seems very similar. And the guy put me off and I let him put me off. And then the next time it happened I was like screw that sound like I'm going to the doctor. I know what Listen to me. So anyway, he's good now.

Kelsey 29:54
Oh, good. I'm glad Yeah, that is Yeah, that's a wild one isn't

Scott Benner 29:57
saying Although. So you say the T three is too much for you get heart palpitations or what happens to you with it? Yeah,

Kelsey 30:03
I started getting heart palpitations, I was just feeling like mixed hyper and hypo symptoms. There's like a whole different like theory on thyroid health that I'm learning out there that stalker that I'm working with has about like, if you do have an immune driven thyroid condition, the T three can actually make it a little bit worse over time. So we're just trying some stuff. It's kind of one of those things where it's like, I I know a ton about thyroid health and I still know nothing. How, bro

Scott Benner 30:32
sciency Are you going to get with your thyroid journey where you try methylated vitamins or stuff like that, or what? How far are you gonna go? Yes,

Kelsey 30:38
yes, I've tried methylated vitamins. I've done red light therapy on my thyroid. For I would say, I haven't done peptides. Like that's kind of where I'm at. Oh, and everything else.

Scott Benner 30:49
Wait the injectable one. Yeah, like,

Kelsey 30:51
there's like oral peptides too. But yeah, they're mostly injectable. I have not done that yet.

Scott Benner 30:56
Okay. You think you're going to?

Kelsey 30:58
Maybe someday? I don't know.

Scott Benner 31:00
I'd be honest with you, Kelsey, I'm definitely gonna ask for testosterone.

Kelsey 31:05
You should. You should or probably hell. What

Scott Benner 31:08
do I got to lose? I listen, everybody out. Every famous person looks amazing. And I'm walking around here talking about, you know, I don't have muscle tone in my arm. Like what the hell? Like

Kelsey 31:19
why am I doing this? Oh, yeah, they're on some stuff that costs money. Yeah, but I don't have the money. That's gonna be the problem. You could get them to sponsor your podcast.

Scott Benner 31:27
There you go. Seriously, if you can set that up. I'll absolutely do this.

Kelsey 31:31
I'm totally joking. But I'm sure I'm sure it's someone would

Scott Benner 31:36
just injecting whatever like, Oh, it is fine. I'm like, what is that accent? Did any of those things help your thyroid, your red light or your whatever else you tried?

Kelsey 31:48
Honestly, yeah, like I was really managing it very well. I think pregnancy has thrown some stuff off, which is normal, I'll probably get back to feeling better once I get it figured out. But I felt great. My levels were stable. I was on like a very stable dose of medication. It would kind of go off the rails of like, a lot of stress came up or if I you know, ate a ton of gluten or something like that. But I was doing really well.

Scott Benner 32:11
What were you using the supplement that the tea for?

Kelsey 32:14
I don't know, I think is what it was. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott Benner 32:18
Okay, that was that was your teeth, three the site. And now you stop using that though. So like, what do you are using anything over the counter right now?

Kelsey 32:24
And just taking a look at micrograms of levothyroxine? No, nothing

Scott Benner 32:30
right now.

Kelsey 32:31
nothing extra. Okay, nothing extra. Yeah. But my levels aren't. They're pretty low. And I'm trying to get those up. I think my just conversion from T four to chi three might be a little messed up right now. I know you've had kids, like your sleep is just jacked for a while. So there's a there's a lot of stuff going on.

Scott Benner 32:48
You have symptoms like your hair and stuff like that. I

Kelsey 32:51
did. And now I'm leveling out again. Okay. So I feel pretty good now. So TBD if if this soul, this will help me.

Scott Benner 32:59
I hope your doctor is like really as good as you hope because like, I know if if that happened, and we talked to our doctor, she'd like, mumble some math on the phone. And she'd be like, take an extra pill on the first day. And I'm not saying like she you don't I mean, she'd be like, we want to get a little extra in there. And I'm like, Okay, do you miss the pills ever? Are you very fastidious about taking it? Oh,

Kelsey 33:21
no. Yeah, I take them every day. I did do an experiment where I just felt like everything was off. I needed to reset and I didn't take any thyroid medication for a month. Because I had been so long since I hadn't taken any I was like, I wonder if my thyroid even works like maybe it's fine. And it doesn't so I do need to take medication.

Scott Benner 33:42
By the way, you need me as your father, I had to tuck my son down off that ladder one day. Like I'm like, Yo, man, listen.

Kelsey 33:51
It honestly I'm glad I did it as weird as that sounds. I didn't feel as bad as I thought. And I feel like I just reached like a I was able to like start over with my medication and be like, This is what I felt like without any this is what I feel like with some Is this a good dose? So I actually felt okay, surprisingly, but my Yeah, my numbers kind of my TSH went up and all that.

Scott Benner 34:12
Yeah. Wouldn't have been long before something would have got sideways. i Yeah, yeah, totally.

Kelsey 34:16
Yeah. Yeah. But I'm pretty in tune with my body. Like you can tell really quickly if I need to do something to adjust. I

Scott Benner 34:24
just want to say I'm not a doctor, but please, everybody stay on your thyroid medication. Yeah, don't

Kelsey 34:28
listen. I'm kind of like I go rogue on some health stuff. Kelsey,

Scott Benner 34:32
talk earlier. She's out of her mind. It's fine.

Kelsey 34:36
He was a health coach.

Scott Benner 34:40
Have you tried journaling? I'm sorry. I'm not laughing at you.

Kelsey 34:48
You can laugh at me.

Scott Benner 34:52
Okay, so babies out we have type one now. What got you to a doctor. I guess I

Kelsey 34:57
had him. They kind of scared me. I was gonna have have a big baby and everything he was eight pounds, eight ounces perfectly healthy. So I guess it's one thing like, I wanted to get across people's like, I was diabetic and didn't have insulin and I, you know, I didn't have perfect blood sugar but my kid was he was healthy. I was definitely really stressed about that when I was pregnant, and I know it's very stressful. So yeah, he came out. I did not test my blood sugar for three months, I was kind of scared. I didn't want to know what it was. I was trying to figure out being a mom, not sleeping like just it was a lot. And I think it was it was the morning after my husband and I went out for his birthday the night before. And just like, mind you, I had been so strict with my diet for nine months, like basically didn't need a car, but I was like, I mean cake like Screw this. So we went to dinner, we had cake. We had wine we had whatever. And I woke up the next day and I felt pretty weird. And I had been having blurry vision for a couple of weeks before that. I was like, Is this a postpartum thing? Like, this is a weird, this is a weird symptom. And I tested my blood sugar in the morning fasted and I was like 398 And that was the highest I had ever seen it. I just walked out to my husband. I was like, I'm pretty sure I'm diabetic.

Scott Benner 36:14
Now. Curse. You just said it like that nicely. You didn't go, Bill can listen to this.

Kelsey 36:21
I mean, I was probably crying. I think I was probably crying. Yeah, because I was just so scared of that. And I had put it off for a couple of months when I was finally like, I just need to look at this. And yeah, it was like it was like my worst nightmare for sure. I asked him to take off work and I basically just like started looking up endocrinologist functional medicine, doctors, like anyone that could see me and test me for antibodies. And I found one she tested me. She thought I had celiac disease. She's like, you're celiac. I don't think you're type one. I was like hey, listen, I don't think gluten makes your blood sugar go up. I don't think gluten is making my blood sugar 398 Can you please test my antibodies? And so she did. I think there's like five there's like five antibodies they test you for an all of them are super high

Scott Benner 37:09
kills he's like I don't have time for you. God damn hippies right now just

Kelsey 37:14
one of you listen to me. Do you want to put me on like zinc and

what else? Tytos curcumin and NAC and I was like I already take all of the

Scott Benner 37:30
sage on fire and profit around your head.

Kelsey 37:34
No, we almost got there though. By the Oh, God bless her though.

Scott Benner 37:39
God bless. Big moment for everybody Arden's calling. Oh, I'm making a podcast. Can you say anything that other people can hear? No,

Speaker 1 37:47
I was just gonna complain about this state. You were

Scott Benner 37:51
just gonna. Sorry. You're on microphone. Are you okay with that?

Speaker 1 37:55
I don't care. I just I literally like how is it possible? I can't find a light blue mechanical pencil.

Scott Benner 38:01
George, by the way, I'm telling you to go ahead. I'm talking to Kelsey. She's laughing God.

Speaker 1 38:06
I literally have been to four stores. I've been on the phone with people. No one No one No one and then I call Michaels. And I'm like, Hey, um, do you have like a blue mechanical pencil? We're like the wettest blue. And he's like, yeah, let me check for you. And he checks and he's like, yeah, like, we have mechanical pencils. And he's like, Alright, have a good day. I didn't even I didn't even answer yet. And I'm like, I'm like, Excuse me. Excuse me. Like he didn't say like blue like that is that's why I'm calling right. Like, I'm sure they have mechanical pencils. So then I'm like, no, like, do you like, like blue ones? And he doesn't answer for 20 seconds. And then he goes, he goes, Oh, yeah. And I'm like, Okay, thanks so much. And now I have to drive. Like two miles. It was just 20 minutes to just get a mechanical pencil.

Scott Benner 38:49
Tell people why it takes 20 minutes to drive two miles. Because no, I can't say no. You don't want to say

Speaker 1 38:58
I'm so I'm so mad. And my cramps are so bad.

Scott Benner 39:08
She's got her period. She doesn't love Georgia. Oh, just real quick. 10 thoughtful words about how the people in Georgia drive. Now. Okay. Do you think you'll get yourself in trouble?

Unknown Speaker 39:22
I don't know. I

Scott Benner 39:23
just I can't. Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, I'm sorry. You're having a tough time.

Unknown Speaker 39:29
I hate this place.

Scott Benner 39:34
Okay, you're okay. It's everything's gonna be fine. How about I finish? No, don't go ahead. Say I'm gonna finish making the podcast. I'll give you a call in a little bit. Okay, great. When's your next class?

Speaker 1 39:48
Clock class at 8am to like 11. And now as a class at five. It's

Scott Benner 39:57
bad timing. That's not good spacing, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well give me a text if you get your pencil and then I'll know you've your handle that and I'll give you a call when I'm done talking to Kelsey, who by the way is very cool. You would like her I'll see you in a bit. Okay. Oh my gosh, people say Arden's on the podcast now.

Kelsey 40:22
You only have to bleep out. Five of those words. Well, people

Scott Benner 40:25
who've listened to one of the podcasts are not surprised by that. I don't imagine.

Kelsey 40:29
I think I had listened to one episode. So yeah, I knew I knew. She's

Scott Benner 40:33
not wrong, by the way to drive two miles takes forever where she is.

Kelsey 40:38
She's going to school there. Yeah. Okay. It's in sound.

Scott Benner 40:43
It's I mean, I think people know by now she's in Savannah.

Kelsey 40:46
Okay. I've never been to Georgia. slower pace of life, I'm guessing.

Scott Benner 40:50
I think so. I don't know what it is. Like, there's not that many cars, but yet they don't move very quickly. I don't understand. Everyone needs to come here and drive for four days. And then you can go back to wherever you live, and you'll be much better at it. Need a lesson? Yeah. You just need the fear of God up. You're the entire time you're driving. Like the idea that someone's going to run headlong into you if you're not careful and moving constantly, like you know how a shark never stops moving. Oh, you gotta drive in the Northeast. That sounds to Kelsey. I'm so sorry. Where were we before Arden called and started cursing into my microphone.

Kelsey 41:24
I have no idea. Okay, the crunchy doctor. Yeah,

Scott Benner 41:27
I love it. I love that you're there with a high blood sugar. And she's like, have you tried Berberine? I'm sorry. Yes, I

Kelsey 41:36
have. So anyways, that was the last time I saw her. I just got a referral to an endocrinologist after that. Yeah, the rest is history. I got on shots first. And I got my CGM in my endocrinologist is actually amazing. She loops. So she's kind of been working with me to I got on a pump shortly after that, as first on the tandem. And my kid was just messing with the wires all the time. I pulled it out, like so many times. So I switched to the Omni pod a couple months ago. And now I actually just started looping like three days ago, so Oh, really? That recently? Yeah. Good for you. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying that out. But yeah, that's that's kind of the story.

Scott Benner 42:19
Well, how did you find me? Like, why did you find I mean, I It's pretty obvious. It looks like you're into this stuff. But like, how did you think that like, oh, I maybe there's something about diabetes there. Actually,

Kelsey 42:28
my mother in law told me about your podcast. Hey, all right. Yeah, she has a friend that has a son with type one. I think she just told her that I should listen to this podcast. I downloaded a few episodes and started listening. And I love podcasts. I'm a podcast junkie. So I was like, yeah, totally. I'd much rather do that than read some books. So I have another question. It's

Scott Benner 42:48
gonna sound self serving, but it's not. Is it? I don't think so. No, I think it's just it's for my edification. You work for somebody who made a podcast? Yes. Am I good at this? Yeah,

Kelsey 42:59
definitely. I think the magic of podcasting is to, there's two types of podcasts, right? Like, there's the one that you listen to that's basically like a blog. And they just like shell out information, like listicles kind of thing. And you're just like, Okay, that was helpful. And then there's other podcasts you listen to for the conversation. And also like information you get out of it, right, like Joe Rogan's, like the number one podcast and it's all conversation. Yeah, I get a lot of good conversation. And then there's like nuggets of information and a lot of your podcasts to like the Pro Series are great. But yeah, I would say you're a great conversationalist, and people like to listen to that. For sure. That

Scott Benner 43:35
was nice to you. But I'm not done picking through this yet. So you're saying to me that I'm gonna say something. I think you're gonna note, you know, Rhonda Patrick's podcast? Yes. There's no way you don't listen to that. So I Okay, so now, she's basically she feels like she's reading. Like her thesis to me. Yeah. It makes my brain want to kill itself. So but do you like it? If

Kelsey 44:00
I want to know like that level of information about a topic then? Yeah. To me, like, I learned very well, audio, listening to things. So I've actually like written really detailed blog posts for other people using her content as help. So yeah, I think if you're like really nerding out on something, which is her audience, for sure. Yeah. Then I do like that. But I also I listen to Joe Rogan, too.

Scott Benner 44:27
So you like people just chatting and talking? And yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's my last month. Do you know Gabrielle Lyon? Yes. I have an open invitation to go on that podcast. Should I do it? Oh, for sure. Seriously? Yeah. We should all email her back. Oh, that's

Kelsey 44:42
awesome. Cool. I was trying to get one of my clients on her podcast. So I think

Scott Benner 44:47
she wants to come on here. And then I said, you can come on here if I can come on yours. And then I never go.

Kelsey 44:54
Oh, no. Yeah, you should go on it. For sure.

Scott Benner 44:59
I didn't know what Like she would talk, like, I'm worried about what she would talk about, or what I would talk about like didn't mean because our our things don't seem like they overlap, but maybe they do.

Kelsey 45:09
health related, right, like you're in the health and fitness category.

Scott Benner 45:12
You're such a shill. I love it. Like, just get on goddamn podcasts and grow this thing, Scott, what's

Kelsey 45:19
wrong? You should Scott, you really should. I think that's like one of the best ways to grow your podcast is to be a guest on other podcasts. You're an interesting person and you have stuff to say.

Scott Benner 45:29
Yeah, yeah. I always think that's bullshit when people say that, but okay. Oh, no. Yeah. All right. Well, listen, on your word, Kelsey, I'm going to email her person back. When we're done. Sounds good. But back to my thought about Rhonda Patrick, should I do that? Should I do an episode a week where I'm just reading fax to people? Or do you think they wouldn't want that?

Kelsey 45:49
You could try it and like, see what the response is. I think like when I have listened to some of your I haven't listened to them all. But when I have listened to some of the Pro Series, they are like a conversation. And my brain kind of has a hard time being like, Okay, I need you. This isn't this. I was listening to the loop one and I got some nuggets out of it. But I'm like, Okay, I still need to go watch like a loop YouTube video to like, understand what all these settings are. Okay. I don't know if you would like doing that. If you wouldn't like doing it, then. I don't know if people would like listening to it.

Scott Benner 46:22
Yeah, I wouldn't do it where I was like, they're like, is he being forced to do this? It wouldn't be like that. But I have. How should I tell people this? Not people listening? I don't care if you guys hear I hear I care if the people rip me off here? Uh huh. I have a fairly robust set up in the background that I'm working on where AI is mining my content for lists of thoughts and ideas and take away is really smart. Yeah, no, yeah, no, yeah. Don't worry. I didn't do it by mistake. And also translating it into other languages for me. Okay. Not the whole podcast because AI is not there yet. You can't give something like a 60 minutes worth of audio and be like, turn it into Spanish. It'll be like go to hell. Yeah, yeah. But it can with insane accuracy. You can say, Please provide key takeaways from this episode. And if I listened to the podcast back and made my notes from it, it would come out exactly like this. Oh, that's cool. It's really something so I could read those and make short episodes out of them to help people go find the conversations.

Kelsey 47:31
I think micro content like that is a really good idea to get people in the door. Okay. And like get like a little more like, bite sized information, especially if you're doing the conversations already. But yeah, sometimes I'm just like, I just need to like, know this one thing about this app, and I can't figure it out. Like I wonder if Scott has an episode on it. But then I gotta like, listen to the whole thing and be like, Did he mention it

Scott Benner 47:53
and Arden calls then she's like, people in Georgia can't drive and like he gotta Yeah, I understand. Like, you gotta give

Kelsey 47:58
her some reason. She's looking for a blue mechanical pencil. I can't. I don't know why. Yeah, what's

Scott Benner 48:04
what's your favorite part of her call? Is it when she said and 20 seconds later? He said something.

Kelsey 48:10
She's funny. Yeah, she's

Scott Benner 48:12
like me, but pretty. My kids not pretty. Don't go look for her. She's not in Savannah. Jesus Christ.

Kelsey 48:24
Oh, the internet creepers are Yeah, somebody

Scott Benner 48:26
told me recently, I was in the park in Savannah. And I saw somebody who was wearing an omni pod that I thought was Arden. Oh, and I almost approached her but I didn't. And I said, Well, a good idea. And she'd be very polite, and then call me and go, one of your people came up to me in the park. But be it wasn't her. Interesting. that interesting. She saw another girl artists age in the park wearing it out in a pod. Ah, okay. They're out there. Back To Me milking your brain. I have a whiteboard behind me. It's, I don't want to embarrass myself. It is a five moment a six by four whiteboard on my and every idea I have about making this podcast is written down on that whiteboard. And I've been toying with something that I was calling small sips on my whiteboard, short clips, that kind of thing. And I saw I've been doing the AI and you just said micro content. Like it's a thing that if I went to college or worked in this I would know about, uh huh. That's what I'm thinking about. Right? Yeah,

Kelsey 49:25
yeah. Okay. All right, micro content. It's making shorter content on longer content that you already have.

Scott Benner 49:33
And then giving people the opportunity to go back to the longer content if they'd like. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And so I could do a thing here. You want to workshop one with me right now?

Kelsey 49:45
Totally.

Scott Benner 49:46
Let's do it. Okay, so I'm looking at the key takeaways from the first episode of the Pro Tip series. Okay, the first episode of the Pro Tip series is episode 1000. It's called diabetes pro tip newly diagnosed are starting over. I don't know if people NOTICE but when I make new series, I start them by having a conversation about what I want the series to be about. You know, like, it's almost like a brainstorming thing if Jenny's involved Jenny and I get together and I go Jenny, I want to make a story you know, series for me to call bold beginnings, that's gonna be for really newly diagnosed people. Then she and I talk about it, we hash it out. I already have a ton of by the time I get to that point, I've already asked in the private Facebook group, what do you guys wish you would have known when you were diagnosed? And I have, when I made the bold beginning series, I had 80 pages in a document of people's responses from the podcast and from the Facebook group. And then lovely people distilled it down for me to get rid of the duplicates. And then Jenny and I made an episode going through them, and then she and I decided what we needed key takeaways from that to make the series with. So anyway, that's what this is. The Pro Tip series first episode is just her and I talking about what the Pro Tip series is going to be. Ai says that the key takeaways of that episode are understanding how insulin works is crucial for managing diabetes effectively. Basal testing can be helpful in determining the right Basal insulin dosage, especially for pump users. Basal insulin is the foundation of diabetes management and should be prioritized. blood sugar control is heavily dependent on Basal insulin. So it should be adjusted before considering other factors like insulin to carb ratio. Fear of insulin should be overcome to effectively manage diabetes. Newly diagnosed individuals should seek comprehensive education and not settle for basic information. It is important to find a health care provider who can provide the necessary support and information. Mistakes and experiences are valuable learning opportunities for diabetes management, and diabetes management requires flexibility and adaptation to changing variables. And numbers and data are information, not judgments and should be used to make informed decisions. So you're saying I could make that into like a five minute episode, like read those chat about it for a little bit, bundle it up and send it on its way and people would find that valuable?

Kelsey 52:00
For sure. All right, like the literally just talking about Basal insulin being the foundation like that. Yeah. Okay. Just hearing that in a list. I'm like, you don't even have to say anymore. I'm like, oh, okay, I need to start there. Because your endo doesn't tell you that. At least mine, didn't we they talked about the insulin to carb ratio. All right, which is like kind of the last thing you're supposed to tweak. Right? So yeah, definitely. You should do that. All right, Kelsey, don't

Scott Benner 52:27
rip me off.

Kelsey 52:29
Don't worry, I don't have any other diabetes clients, you

Scott Benner 52:32
and I and a few people who I talked to privately are the only ones who know I'm going to do this. So I am going to, I'm going to do this. I'm going to make a whole series like that of shorts. And I'm gonna do it just the way you said because you can sell vitamins to people they don't need. So you must know what you're talking

Unknown Speaker 52:49
about. No.

Scott Benner 52:53
By the way, you've been incredibly we're not done yet. But you are been incredibly honest. And I genuinely appreciate you being on the show. Thank you very much. This is Oh,

Kelsey 53:01
yes. been terrific. No, it's a pleasure. It's it's yeah, it's kind of a therapeutic.

Scott Benner 53:06
Oh, I'm good. Okay, so we're now you're managing using Omnipod dash g seven or G six. So Angie said you six and you just started looping. And so did you just do that on your own? You just went like on loop and learn or one of those Facebook groups and taught yourself?

Kelsey 53:22
My endo did kind of give me a few like bulleted of like, here's where you need to go. Yeah, I sat down for a couple hours and was like, Okay, how do I do this? The GitHub with the loop and learned Docs is amazing. I don't really know what I'm doing yet. But like setting it up was not bad at all right? Yeah.

Scott Benner 53:38
Is it a branch that is making adjustments with basil? Or is it making adjustments with boluses?

Kelsey 53:43
Right now I just have it set. I listened to your episodes with Kenny. And I have it in open loop, kind of trying to make sure my basil and my ISF is right. So I haven't even put it in closed loop yet. I don't know if I'm doing any of those things yet. I'm just kind of running it

Scott Benner 54:01
myself. Nice. Yeah. How's your insulin to carb ratio? You think it's good? No,

Kelsey 54:04
I don't that's actually one that I'm like, I don't eat a lot of carbs. But I eat a lot of protein and fat. So the the carb ratio like never really is enough for me. Because if I put in I'm really only eating like 10 carbs, I still need like two to three units of insulin for the protein and fat that kind of hit later. So yeah, I haven't quite figured that one out yet. That's

Scott Benner 54:29
pretty easy. You can put in 10. So the 10 carbs up front is not too much. You're okay with that. Yeah.

Kelsey 54:35
So I have like a one to 10 insulin to carb ratio right now.

Scott Benner 54:39
Right? So you can say I'm having 10 carbs. It'll give you a unit. But then the problem you're having is what 45 minutes an hour later you start rising from the protein. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And then that rice stops at some point you correct it, it goes back down how much you correcting it with?

Kelsey 54:56
It depends on how high I go up. I guess usually one One unit one to two units will take me back down. But I'm trying to avoid the rise in the first place, which I don't know if it that's even sure here I'm

Scott Benner 55:09
about to tell you. Okay, you help me help me, I'm helping you. Okay, so in loop, you can just say, Hey, I'm having 10 carbs, and blah, blah, blah. But you can also go in and tell it, I'm having 10 carbs, then put the time on it is 45 minutes from now. Okay. And then you're giving the algorithm the flexibility to be aggressive when it sees the rise, because it expects

Kelsey 55:31
is that in closed loop? Only Scott? Yeah, that it will do that. Okay, in

Scott Benner 55:35
the Bolus calculator, you can pick the time of the Bolus, but you can pick the future. So you can give a predated check a post that post a Did You Ever Have you ever put up? Sorry? Have you ever posted first of all, you're in your 30s? Do you even have a checkbook?

Kelsey 55:49
Yeah, I do. I use Venmo. Okay.

Scott Benner 55:51
Do you know what post dating a check is? No. Okay. All right. For young people, Jesus Christ, this is terrible. When you're broke, and it was 30 years ago, and you owed somebody $20. And you had to write them a check. You'd say, hey, look, it's Monday. And I want you to believe that I'm going to give you this money, but this money is not in my account till Friday. Today is the 10th. I'm going to write out a check for $20. But I'm going to post dated for the 15th. You can't deposit it till the 15th.

Kelsey 56:20
Oh, was that like on their honor system? Or

Scott Benner 56:23
is it well, if they tried to deposit before that the check would mark? Yeah. And then you'd by the way, get charged $25? Check balance fee, and you didn't have that anyway, and anyway, but that's not the point. postdating that's what happened. I can't believe people don't know what, oh, I'm so old. Oh, give me a second to get over that when we have water. Oh, I've lived through a thing that doesn't exist anymore. Okay, so you can post, it's really upsetting. You can post date, a Bolus and loop. So that's

Kelsey 56:55
the absorption time is like when it actually gives you the insulin.

Scott Benner 56:59
No, that's another thing, like so you can you could also tell it, you know, here's 10. If I was you, I might go end up going like, here's 15 carbs, and make the absorption time like four or five hours like to drag it out a little bit. But you can make one Bolus, hey, here's 10 carbs at one o'clock. But then make another Bolus and say, I'm eating 10 carbs. But I'm eating it at 150. And then when you push enter, it doesn't give you the answer.

Kelsey 57:26
Oh, I didn't realize you could change it. That's what changed in your time and

Scott Benner 57:30
the time on it. Yeah. And then 50 minutes from now, when the thing starts seeing you go up. It's like, Oh, I heard through a post dated Bolus that she was going to eat 10 more carbs. Now. Here we

Kelsey 57:40
go. And so you do you never really you just always like kind of count that as carbs. You don't because there's little icons in here for the food, right? Like you can choose chicken or eggs or whatever,

Scott Benner 57:50
you'll have to decide what the absorption rate you want for that second one. But what I'm basically telling you to do is Bolus for the food, another one and then Bolus for the protein rise.

Kelsey 57:59
Thank you, Scott.

Scott Benner 58:00
But you got a Pre-Bolus the protein rise but not by too much.

Kelsey 58:03
Not by too much. Okay, okay, that helps.

Scott Benner 58:06
There you go. Now it's worth your time. Coming on here. Yay. o'clock in the morning. Call. Everyone knows you're in Colorado just by how you talk to imagine.

Kelsey 58:14
Oh, really? I'm not from here. Oh, maybe

Scott Benner 58:17
you went to a lady who tried to give you like, you know, she tried to give you a dandelion tea when you said I have diabetes. I assume people were just like, Oh, she's probably in Colorado.

Kelsey 58:28
You're literally naming all the things in my, in my cabinets throughout this conversation that I Yeah, it's pretty funny.

Scott Benner 58:35
Do you feel seen or mocked?

Kelsey 58:38
Oh, it's totally fine.

Scott Benner 58:41
I was gonna say good because you're getting me for not having the communication gaps. No. I'm all for trying things. I am one of those people. Like I've taken dandelion capsules. Yeah, I've taken them for a month. And then a month later I said to myself, nothing about my life has changed so that I stopped doing, but but I've tried, but I tried probiotics. I tried different probiotics. I try I try all kinds of stuff. Yeah, that's great. Because if you trip over something that's valuable. I mean, God bless. Like it's, I'm totally into. How do I want to say this? I am not telling other people to do this. I take way more vitamin D every day than a doctor would tell you to take. Right?

Unknown Speaker 59:21
I do that?

Scott Benner 59:22
I take 10,000 I use a vitamin every day. Vitamin D every day. Yeah, that is a lot. So I don't care. What you don't need flushes out and I've got enough and that's you know, that's the thing I do. But for all the vitamins like I have a beautiful multi men's multivitamin here. I use Thorn labs for my for my vitamins. I love Thorne Yeah, they're not a sponsor. They should be but that's not the point. I'm an affiliate with them. Are you really trying to do affiliate or Kelsey? It makes me feel like I work for somebody. I like it if they buy it

Kelsey 59:53
or not. If you also use the discount for yourself, then you're kind of paying yourself to I

Scott Benner 59:57
do use my my cozy Earth discount that Get my useless. I know people are probably like he's like it makes an ad he says he's wearing those sweatpants. I'm almost always in this way. Save 40% and cozier.com with the Africa juice box at checkout.

Kelsey 1:00:13
I might use that after this actually I also live in sweatpants 40% grade discount code a damn right it is

Scott Benner 1:00:21
for you. I'm saying I take vitamins I take stuff to, you know, I take vitamin C with iron to help keep my iron up like three times a week. There's all kinds of things I do. But the truth is nothing changed, fixed or massively helped my health like the GLP medication did. Oh, did you do a goby? I've lost 40 pounds. Since March. On we go V and the weight aside, besides I just feel better and being lighter. And all that has been better for me, like from my joints to my energy to how I look and everything else. My Body Works better now than it did before. Oh, that's awesome. I do not know another way to put it.

Kelsey 1:01:01
So hey, man, whatever. Like I said,

Scott Benner 1:01:03
that's a peptide. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

Kelsey 1:01:05
I haven't gotten there. But I might

Scott Benner 1:01:07
I plateaued at 40. And I wrote it pretty I have a weego V diary was so people who listen to that will know like, I plateaued pretty hard for a couple of months. I'm like, I am not losing weight anymore. And I went back to my doctor and I was like, Hey, what the? She goes, and she's got this great accent and she's like, she goes, we put you on zip bound now. And I was like, Yeah, let's go baby. So I just took my first injection of zap bound last week, which is haven't heard of that one already. So is that bound is Manjaro? No, as we go V is ozempic.

Kelsey 1:01:41
Oh, okay. Okay, different, different brand name? No,

Scott Benner 1:01:45
they're just distinctions for insurance reasons. You know, we go over you can like insulin, well, you can give we go to people with type two diabetes, because that's what it's been tested on. And then they tested or excuse me, ozempic to people with type two diabetes, because that's what it's been tested on. But it was that before we go view are the exact same molecule. And if I'm paying attention to how insurance works, and how people make money on that end, it's you can't patent the thing as much as you can patent the dosing strategy. And the delivery mechanism, yeah, delivery mechanism. So ozempic is one way and we go V is another way we go V's for weight loss ozempic. For Type Two diabetes, it's the same exact thing, right? So I use we go V for that time. It was beautiful. I had one side effect. Oh, god dammit, Kelsey.

Kelsey 1:02:36
I had one slide and I get into guts stuff.

Scott Benner 1:02:38
I'm just gonna tell you that I didn't have a really firm. I haven't taken a firm bowel movement in a while. Are you worried about that? No, because I was losing weight. If I would have grown a horn out of my head, and a tail would have came out of my womb, I was losing weight, I still would have been like, this is fine. And so.

Kelsey 1:02:55
So the weight the weight loss is the main goal. And

Scott Benner 1:02:59
I'll deal with it later. People don't like this phrase, because it leans on diet culture, but ain't nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. And so So, so anyway, like, this was not horrible. I was not running around with diarrhea. I did not like he's not mess myself. Like things like that. It just wasn't wasn't where I wanted it to be. I had reflux before that. And it got better on weego V, but didn't go away. And when I told my doctor those things, and she said actually, this, that bound might get you going on more weight loss, but more specifically, it should address the acid reflux. And I think you won't have the bowel movement issue.

Kelsey 1:03:40
Why if it's the same thing? Damn calcium.

Scott Benner 1:03:44
I'm not a scientist. I don't know. Was

Kelsey 1:03:47
that true? Did it did it? Did it? Did that happen?

Scott Benner 1:03:50
I had a much nicer experience in the restroom yesterday than I've had that I had last Tuesday. So Oh, yeah, it was pretty exciting. The toilet bowl even seemed excited. It was like, Oh, thank you.

Kelsey 1:04:02
No more scrubbing. I

Scott Benner 1:04:03
don't know what was happening up there. But thank you. I've only shot it once. Okay, five days ago, so I haven't even done twice. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Kelsey 1:04:13
For my understanding of those things, they work. They work in the gut somehow. So I think that's like the that's like, some people in the functional medicine space are worried about so many people using it, because they don't totally know what it does to your gut and your microbiome and like the lining and everything. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:04:29
I'm sure it's not gonna be right for everybody. Yeah, totally.

Kelsey 1:04:33
But if your your goal is weight loss, and you feel better, like hey, man, go for it. Here's

Scott Benner 1:04:37
what I think. I don't think it's 62 years old when I was clutching my chest and driving into a tree. I would have thought at least my microbiome is okay.

Kelsey 1:04:46
You've probably reached a certain point where you're just like, okay, whatever. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:04:49
why don't we try not being fat? Let's see how that goes. Yeah, start there. Start there. Anyway, that lovely girl you heard screaming into the phone earlier. So we've been talking to her and They're chronologist for a while about insulin resistance. She it seems like she has PCOS like we've done. We've looked for PCOS like the last thing you can actually find. And so like we've ruled out a lot of issues, heavy period, acne, stomach pain, stuff like that. And for a while the doctor was like, Maybe we should put her on Metformin, but kind of doctor went back and forth about that a little bit. And then I had this experience on weego V. And the doctor said to me one day, this, you're reacting so well to this. And I was like, right, and she goes, What do you think about given art and some ozempic? And I was like, well, will insurance cover that? And she goes, No, probably not. And I was like, Well, how much is it? And she's like, there are ways and I was like, okay, so I was like, alright, she goes, take a sample pen first. And I was like, okay, and she goes, Just shoot. Point two, five. Do it every week. So she should point to five. It should be said Arden has ace absolute needle phobia. I've never talked I don't know if I talk about it on here. But she is like sweaty palms. Waitwait way please, please, please, swatting it you needle phobia. Like she has a needle. Okay, interesting. And but I said, Arden like, let's try this, like, get over it. And like so we did it. She had first week, it was tough on her. She had the nausea and like, like, over full feeling. And that persisted into like, maybe the second week, but she fought through it and you know, ate anyway, not as much, obviously. And then that part kind of went away a little bit. Now she's just up to the point where like, she's just not that hungry on it. But here's what's happened. Arden has been using ozempic point two five for I think six weeks now. My math tells me that Arden will use 11,000 fewer units of insulin next year.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:50
Holy cow. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:06:52
How about that?

Kelsey 1:06:53
That's crazy.

Scott Benner 1:06:54
Basil went from 1.1 an hour to point seven an hour during the day. Okay,

Kelsey 1:06:58
so do you think that is due to the medication or the fact that she's eating less?

Scott Benner 1:07:04
No, it's the medication.

Kelsey 1:07:06
I guess that would change. That would be the only thing that would change your basil. Hmm. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:07:10
he has it happen almost immediately. Wow. Arden uses a do it yourself algorithm right now she's using Iaps. Okay, Arden can fast forever without a low blood sugar. Like for like forever that algorithms insane. My point is, is that when she was 1.1 an hour, and her weight of this is going to freak you out. And when her ISF was 42, during the day, she didn't get low and she was fasting. Wow. And now her ISF is 63. Oh, wow. And her Basil is point seven. And she still doesn't get low and she's fast. So her insulin needs. I mean, I haven't really done the math, but she's gone from some days use some three day periods using an entire pod or like 180 units down to like sometimes using 60 or 70 units in three days. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's crazy. NRA onesies crazy. In the six weeks she did her a one C one from six, three to five, nine tracked as tracked in the app that in the Iaps app.

Kelsey 1:08:15
Wow, that's really cool.

Scott Benner 1:08:17
You're gonna see a lot of type ones get GLP medications in the future. But it's got to get covered by insurance first, like,

Kelsey 1:08:24
isn't that kind of how it started was for type two diabetes? Yeah, it's for type two. Yeah. So I mean, but anything that improves your insulin sensitivities. I mean, that helps Taiwan's to write about

Scott Benner 1:08:36
her acne improved by I would say 80% in three weeks.

Kelsey 1:08:40
Oh, wow. That's really cool, crazy stuff,

Scott Benner 1:08:43
like so I keep saying this over and over again. There's a group online where women are getting pregnant on ozempic. Because they probably had PCOS their whole life and couldn't get pregnant. And now this is helping that. And I saw a group of people on Reddit talking about I always pronounce it wrong, but ears danlos the connective tissue like the over flexibility in your joints. It's a an autoimmune issue. And there are some people online in a group saying they think it's helping them with symptoms from that. That's crazy. I don't even know why that was. But enough people on Reddit got together and we're like, Hey, I have danlos and I don't notice the pain as much anymore. Now, I don't know if they were were they heavier? They lost weight. It's easier on their joints, or is it actually is the peptide actually helping someone with an immune response somewhere?

Kelsey 1:09:30
I don't mean if it's doing something in your gut that you know, they say all autoimmune diseases connected to to the gut. So I'm saying that

Scott Benner 1:09:39
yeah, you're saying you're all gonna be vaping at one day, that's all I can tell you.

Kelsey 1:09:46
Probably better than what they're vaping No,

Scott Benner 1:09:48
no, by the way, do not vape a GLP mitigation. I was being farcical. I hope people can hear the sarcasm. Kelsey, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Kelsey 1:09:58
I don't think so. I guess like kind of the reason why I wanted to come or like the reason why I felt called to email you is the diabetes myth series that I heard and I think you know, a lot of people here this that are diabetic like you got you became diabetic because you eat too much sugar and like you eat the wrong things and you don't take care of yourself and blah, blah, blah, but I kind of just felt like that one hit home for me because basically, for the last 13 years, I've been focused on my health. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:10:28
Paleo taking vitamins, paleo,

Kelsey 1:10:30
literally doing I was doing the cold plunge, I have a sauna. I did intermittent fasting. I've done three day fast like, I'm in it for a long time.

Scott Benner 1:10:41
I've done intermittent fasting, and I think it was terrific for me. Yeah,

Kelsey 1:10:45
it's especially really good for men for sure. But I guess what I was seeing is it. I still got type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 1:10:52
Exactly. I like in your intake form you described yourself as well. I'm incredibly healthy, like non Bluetooth using kinda healthy. Oh,

Kelsey 1:11:01
yeah, that was the irony of the whole thing. For me. It was like, I didn't use Bluetooth headphones. Like I was very, I turn my Wi Fi off at night. Like my phone's in airplane mode a lot. And now I'm literally just strapped to a Bluetooth device. And it's like keeping me alive.

Scott Benner 1:11:17
Forget this tumbler I'm drinking out of bottled water again. I don't care. For real though, by the way. Again, there's some news report hit the other day about like particulates in bottled water, like plastic. And I was like, Yeah, does that not obvious to everybody? Right? Don't Don't do that. Just yet. Thanks. It just makes sense. I don't care if you can quantify it or not, but stop rubbing water on plastic and then drinking it seems like a bad idea to me. Or microwaving your food in it. Oh, it's such a simple thing not to do. Do not microwave your food and plastic. Here I'll go a little farther. I'll get crunchy with Kelsey. Which Oh, is that the episode title?

Kelsey 1:11:55
That actually would probably be very on brand for me because

Scott Benner 1:11:58
I was gonna call it mechanical pencil but crunchy with

Kelsey 1:12:04
mechanical pencil. No one would get it until like that middle section.

Scott Benner 1:12:08
That's why I was gonna do it. Yeah, it's a that's a marketing ploy. By the way. Yeah, that's that is one of the things I do to try to keep you guys listening. I'm like, I'll name it. Something that happens after the halfway point. It's smart. It's smart. But crunchy with Kelsey is good. We might do that that has a ring to it. Here's another one. Don't use oil. Like just stop with like canola oil and like, just stop like just Google like, what is it that Hateful Eight oils or something like that. Just try not to use them. Try not to use use cold pressed olive oil, not hot, like heat pressed olive oil, like simple little things you can do to stop so that the things you're taking in are not being changed. And that's processing. Right. Like canola oil is processed, for example.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:53
Mm hmm.

Scott Benner 1:12:54
That little stuff is easy to do.

Kelsey 1:12:56
Yeah, eat real food. Hey, Scott. This is why you're in the health and fitness category. There you go. I know you just doled out great great health advice.

Scott Benner 1:13:05
I know I just by the way, nothing you heard that Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan are becoming bold with insulin, canola, corn, cottonseed, soy sunflower, safflower grape seed rice, Bran.

Kelsey 1:13:20
Don't eat them. Just don't donate them. Simple. Hey, look, you just read your labels because they're in everything.

Scott Benner 1:13:26
You just got healthier. And I have this great episode with like this, like 13 year old like healthy girl. She's like, so super healthy. And she talks about like, what she eats for breakfast and like, you know, the probiotic she's on She's so lovely.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:40
That's amazing. Yeah, she's

Scott Benner 1:13:41
she's, she's really great. She she put it she say to me, she was like, you have to stop eating. I can't eat butter. It's not organic. She told me. And I was like, are grass fed? Yeah, I need to grasp that I needed to get I need to grass fed butter. Like this is one of the things she said to me. I swear to you, I went downstairs my wife like where are you going? I'm like, I'm going out the store and buying different butter. Now I buy I buy I only buy grass fed butter. And I only buy eggs like that are like organic. Like, I think the chicken is like that whole thing. Like, and I have no idea if it matters or not, but I was like the price at this point is the same. I know, right? It's not like a cost thing. So I'm like what the hell? All right. Yeah,

Kelsey 1:14:26
it's kind of did a flip. I'm like, Okay, well now I'm definitely buying the good ones. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:14:30
they're so damn expensive. It doesn't matter. Yeah.

Kelsey 1:14:33
All right. Well, good. That 13 year old was your health coach. She's

Scott Benner 1:14:36
lovely. Oh, her first episode is called bugs in your belly. And oh, cuz she talked about she's like, there's bugs in your belly and they and I'm like, okay, and then she came back on. She's not like young sounding by the way. She's actually like, she's one of those kids that when you talk to her, you're like, I don't think I'm as smart as this kid.

Kelsey 1:14:56
That's amazing. I'm definitely gonna listen to her by

Scott Benner 1:14:59
I'm trying to find that number for you before I let you go. So you know, there are bugs in your belly episode 823 a 23. She's just She's lovely. And she'll be back on pretty soon. Oh, cool. But I appreciate you coming on and sharing your story. I think it's fantastic.

Kelsey 1:15:13
Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks for having me. Of course,

Scott Benner 1:15:16
hold on one second for me.

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