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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back, friends to another episode of The juicebox podcast.

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Brie 2:15
hi. My name is Brie Carrasquillo. I'm a 22 year old female athlete in the women's lacrosse team at the University of Oregon. I'm originally from Long Island, New York. I currently live in Alberta, Georgia. I just finished up my last four years playing lacrosse at Yale University, and I've been living with T 1d for almost five years now, five

Scott Benner 2:33
years. And we have another person with us here today. Who else is here? Yeah,

Brie 2:37
we have a fellow Dexcom U athlete with us here today, Nikki. Nikki,

Scott Benner 2:41
tell me a little bit about yourself. Hi

Nicholas 2:42
everybody. Yeah. I am a 20 year old originally from Phoenix, Arizona. I'm now a student athlete, a cheerleader at the University of Notre Dame. I'm a junior and I'm a poli sci and finance double major, and I've been living with type one diabetes since the age of 10. Wow.

Scott Benner 2:59
And Bre, you went to Yale. What are you in grad school now?

Brie 3:03
Yes, yeah, I just finished at Yale. I got my Bachelor of political science, and now I'm taking my fifth year and doing a one year's Master Master program in journalism at organizations. How

Scott Benner 3:13
many jobs do your parents work? Four? Five jobs? Yeah, definitely a couple. All right, listen, Bria, if I start asking Nick too many, like cheering questions. You'll have to just run me over. But I I'm gonna I have some I want to know if he's ever dropped the person, if he's dropped the person on himself. I want to hear a lot of things, okay, but I want to know first about being an athlete with diabetes. Sabri, were you diagnosed right as college started? Is my math right there.

Brie 3:39
So I was actually diagnosed right after my first year at Yale. So that was we were about six games in my freshman season, and then covid kind of came out of nowhere. We all got sent home, and about a month or two after that, I started presenting like pretty textbook symptoms once I was home, and then I took a gap year from there to kind of manage it.

Scott Benner 3:59
Had you been sick before that? No, are there other people in your family with autoimmune issues like type one celiac hypothyroidism, stuff like that?

Brie 4:08
No, I have a brief history of celiac disease in my family. But apart from that, no one that I know has type one

Scott Benner 4:14
diabetes. Okay, and Nick, how old were you when you were diagnosed?

Unknown Speaker 4:17
Again, I was 10 years old.

Scott Benner 4:19
10. Oh, he's got you there. Bree, okay, do you have any other autoimmune issues?

Nicholas 4:23
I personally do not know, and I don't have any family history either. So crazy.

Scott Benner 4:27
Okay, my son was playing baseball during covid, and it pretty much ruined his college experience with sports. So Bree, what did you do for that year when they shut you down? How did you stay in shape? Yeah,

Brie 4:38
so at the beginning it looked like a lot of, you know, at home, YouTube video workouts, you know, just trying to, like, eat healthier and get in shape naturally. It's like, you know, I wasn't sure at the moment whether or not I was going to take a gap year. Ultimately, the Ivy League decided they weren't going to play in the 21 season. So I took a gap year. I was, I had a couple internships going, and then, you know, pretty quickly into that. About two months, and like I had mentioned, I started presenting symptoms with diabetes, so I had to take a little, you know, workout, hey, it is for a bit. So

Scott Benner 5:07
Nick, when you're diagnosed, I'm assuming your parents are very helpful and involved. Is that, right?

Nicholas 5:13
Oh yeah, yeah. My parents are my biggest supporters, and my mom actually works for JDRF now, and she's been by my side the whole time and helped me along the way.

Scott Benner 5:21
Wow, now, did you have a CGM when you were diagnosed? It was too long. Was it? I'm trying to do the math. My daughter got hers when she was maybe five or six, and she's 20 now. So so they would have existed when you were diagnosed, right?

Nicholas 5:35
Yes, I believe they did. My endo actually had the approach of like, let's start with the basics. So we started with, you know, with insulin and needles and CGM, or not CGM glucose pricks, you know, that with the meter. And so we started at the basics. And once I got comfortable with that, we moved on, you know, to the insulin pump and to the Dexcom CGM. Okay,

Scott Benner 5:56
so you had the experience of having your family help you, and then moving off to college, right? And Bree, you had the experience of being diagnosed during covid, then having to go back to college, and your parents probably didn't know very much about it when you left. So where I'm guessing, Nick got a lot of support in the way of having people who understood what he was going through. You probably didn't have that as that, right,

Brie 6:19
correct? Yeah, I was lucky. I was 18 at the time that I got diagnosed, so I still took my I still ended up going to the children's hospital anyway, just because I wanted my parents to, you know, be in the room while I was administering my first insulin shot. But, yeah, no, it was completely, you know, foreign to myself and my family. So it was kind of, we were all learning at the same time, but

Scott Benner 6:39
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Brie 9:00
Correct? Yeah, my endo in Atlanta, they were very big on getting me set up on the technology, so I spent a couple months doing the glucose finger pricks. And then we like, All right, let's transition you to the Dexcom. CGM now,

Scott Benner 9:12
do either of you, or both of you, share your Dexcom follow with anybody at school?

Nick go first. Yeah, I

Nicholas 9:22
do. I share my follow with both my parents at home, and I also share it with my athletic trainer slash coach. So just in case, you know, I'm on the sidelines and something's wrong, she's able to, you know, see it on her phone and be able to communicate what it is to me too, right?

Scott Benner 9:38
Okay, so she watches you while you're playing.

Nicholas 9:42
Yeah, you know, in case anything's like, majorly low or majorly high, she's not tracking it all the time, but she has her phone on her so, you know, if it beeps on her phone, she's able to tell me something important.

Scott Benner 9:52
Give me a second, is playing the right term when you're cheering, like, how do you think? Because it's a sport, right? But I didn't see what I mean. Bri, I didn't want to be. Like, while you're, like, doing the thing. So how do you refer to it?

Nicholas 10:03
I, you know, I get caught up saying plain, but I think it's technically supposed to be cheering. And like, you know, we're cheering all the time, if you see us on this island. So I like the word cheering. It's kind of like a, you know, a hype verb, you know, it's a great, you know, personality trait to have. So yeah, and

Scott Benner 10:20
Bri, how do you stop yourself from whacking people with that stick? Like, you know, like, when it get I'm being serious, when you when you get frustrated, and like, you're just a little behind them, like, half a step, how do you not reach out just go, like, ankles. Like, you know what I mean? Like, please tell me

Brie 10:33
about that. Yeah. I mean, I guess, you know, women's lacrosse is technically not a contact sport, so you have to keep that in mind when you're playing. You know, the men's game is entirely different. But, you know, I think just what I'm the rule has changed pretty much every spring. Oh my God, I didn't even know that rule existed now, you know, getting a green card or something. So you just have to be mindful of, you know, you have to meet there's a certain level of discipline that you have to, you know, maintain, to not aggravate your coaches or your other teammates around you.

Scott Benner 10:57
I hear you. I know neither of you play field hockey, but I always wonder why they don't make that stick longer. You know what I mean, like, because they're always like, but you know what I mean, like, then they wouldn't have to bend over. But that's not really neither here or there. Nick, would you consider what you're doing aerobic while you're cheering pretty? Is running around, right? She's not really lifting weights, but you're lifting things. But are you moving to like? Is one of you? I'm trying to decide if one of you is doing aerobic exercise running around, and one of you is doing anaerobic, like, lifting, and if that's impacting your blood sugar differently, yeah, that's

Nicholas 11:28
a great question. I actually grew up playing soccer, so I grew up running all around the field, and doing cardio is a main part of my sport, and that actually, I took my pump off, and that caused my blood sugar, you know, to, like, stabilize because I was doing so much cardio, but I also wasn't getting insulin, you know, every five minutes. But it's actually the opposite. With cheer I keep my pump on because, because I'm lifting so much and not, you know, running around the sideline as often, I actually have to keep my pump on for my blood sugar, not to to go higher during my sport. Was gonna say, Do you ever have to bolus while you're doing that? Yeah, I usually, usually, I'm able to maintain the basal, and the basal is able to keep my blood sugar low. But, you know, there's at times, normally, like during the halftime of a football game, we kind of get, like, a little bite to eat. And I definitely bull us both for the meal and for kind of my blood sugar too, if it ever goes high,

Scott Benner 12:17
okay, then, Bree, how about you? How do you manage while you're playing,

Brie 12:21
yeah, so I initially started out on the OmniPod pump that I would just have connected to my Dexcom, and then kind of, I think, you know, given that I'm, like, almost five years, not quite, I've still been kind of up and down, riding the honeymoon out. So I switched off of the OmniPod, and now I'm just like MDI whenever I need it. So whether it's like, you know, after practice and my glucose levels go high, just can give a quick shot between that and lift or something. But, yeah, I'm currently using MDI.

Scott Benner 12:50
Oh, wow. So you're, you don't think you've reached what might one day be your kind of like, natural need for insulin yet?

Brie 12:57
Yeah, not yet. I just recently met with my endocrinologist here at Oregon, and they were like, you're, you're in like, partial remission, is what they referred to it as. So I'm not my insulin requirements are very low at the moment, and I'm, you know, hoping they stay that way for for as long as I can ride that out. But yeah, for right now, it's MDI. I

Scott Benner 13:14
mean, I'll knock on wood for you on that one. That'd be cool. Thank you. Okay, so what about you Nick? What kind of pump do you

Nicholas 13:20
use? I use the T slim, and I use the closed loop system with the Dexcom CGM two, and it's wonderful control.

Scott Benner 13:26
IQ, yes, yes, sir. Okay, I didn't ask Bri, all right, is anybody at school following you?

Brie 13:34
Yes, yeah. So I have my athletic trainer, my dietitian, a couple of my teammates, and then my family and my sister from home as well. They're all following me. I think it's been huge, from what I've noticed, just being the distance. I don't have a ton of family out here, so they're able to track and follow. And that just gives me peace of mind as well, whether it's like overnight or in practice or something, my daughter

Scott Benner 13:55
gave her roommates, just like the 55 the low alarm in case there's like a real problem, but didn't want to bother them with everything else. But she just transferred. So my daughter just left Georgia, and she's at, I'm not sure if she wants me to say where she's at now, she's at a different university now, and she no longer has a classic roommate, so she's in a dorm situation. But they have apartments inside the dorms, and their doors lock when they close every time, and she's in a single so I was wondering if you guys were sleeping with another person in your room. Have you talked to your friends about glucagon? How do you guys handle all that at

Nicholas 14:30
school? Yeah, absolutely. I so my sophomore year. Last year, I was in a quad, so I had three other roommates, and at the beginning of the year, I showed them, you know, the glucagon, and I told them, If there was ever an emergency, that they would have to use this type of, like I called it, kind of like a pen, but, you know, there's instructions on the box, and I show them how to do it. And I have to be honest, you know, if I I'm a heavy sleeper, so I would be beeping throughout the night, and some of them. Were light sleepers, and they'd wake up before me, and they'd like, shake me awake. Or I have a really obnoxious ringtone for my mom, so in case of an emergency, when she calls, it's like, danger, danger. And so that wakes them up too. And if I don't wake up, they wake up and they help me out. So they my roommates have been incredibly helpful throughout this whole process. Do

Scott Benner 15:21
you have GVO, kypo pen? Is that the glucagon you use?

Nicholas 15:24
I'm not quite sure. The technical name, it's the one in the yellow box. Oh, do you have, yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 15:29
don't know. Is it this one?

Nicholas 15:31
No, I think it's another design, different

Scott Benner 15:33
one. Okay, and how about you? What do you have?

Brie 15:36
So I use the vaccine, the nasal, yes, yeah, the inhalable, yeah, which, luckily, I haven't, you know, had any type of scares like that come up yet. Knock on wood. But yeah, I've educated, like my parents know about the bepsimee, you know, close friends, whether that Yale or out here, I've introduced my roommates to it. And I guess I'm the same way with Nick. Like I'm a very heavy sleeper. So I will sleep through the lows in the high like, I just don't hear on my alarm. But my roommates will sometimes, and they can like, I'm right next door to them, and they can knock me like, wake me up and be like, Avery, like, I think your alarms going off. Yes, they're aware of my actually, one of my housemates, her stepdad is, is a type one diabetic, and he's also, like, very athletic, into the Ironmans and stuff. So she kind of knows. I didn't have to introduce her to that whole spiel. So yeah, that's been very comforting.

Scott Benner 16:24
She probably thinks you're following her. You know what? She's like everywhere I go. So I want to switch gears, but I'm going to come back to being at school. So Dexcom University, like, how do you get involved in that? And what is it you do for it? I'll Can I start with Brianna?

Brie 16:39
Sure. So with the Dexcom you Athlete Program. I had originally reached out to Dexcom, I think, via DM Like, it wasn't even, like, nio related. I just kind of was like, Hey, I was just diagnosed. I This was, like, at the start of covid. So I was like, this is very isolating. Like, I know no one. Do you have any resources? Or, like, is there any like, can you take me somewhere on your website that I can, like, connect with other people? Because at the time, it was just like, so new and forwards, like my whole family. And I was just like, this is, you know, this kind of sucks. And they got back to me pretty quickly, and they were like, Oh my gosh. Like, it's, you know, it's great that you're a college athlete. Like, we'd love to help you. Would you want to join this program that we're thinking of, like, it's called Dexcom you, you get to be a Dexcom warrior. And, yeah. And then from there, we set up a couple of zoom calls. I met with the team, and just kind of ran through what that process was going to look like with them. And it's been, I'm going into my third year with them, so that process has been going great. So

Scott Benner 17:31
is that, is it like a social media thing? Are you actually meeting other athletes? What do you do?

Brie 17:37
Yeah, it's a little bit of both. You know, there, it's a couple of social posts here and there, like, we just recently launched season three of Dexcom news. So we all, like reposted that video I've done like a media day, quote, unquote, with some other Dexcom you athletes a couple summers ago, and we all went out to Chicago, and we did, you know your like, standard media day shoot with, like, the smoke and lights, and that was really cool. And then I've gone out by myself. Most recently, I was out at Disney and Coronado Springs at the children with diabetes convention, and that was cool. I was able to just hang out at the Dexcom vendor share my story to like younger children with T 1d and parents, and, you know, friends of kids with T 1d so yeah, and then it, you know, also looks like interviews as well, just kind of hearing that, yeah, wherever I'm able to promote awareness or education around T 1d

Scott Benner 18:28
would you say that you're pretty open with your diabetes away from Dexcom you as well? You hide your devices? Or are you pretty comfortable than being

Brie 18:38
out? Initially, I used to, just because I kind of fell victim to that stereotype of it being like a shameful diagnosis. And then I think working with Dexcom has definitely helped me, like, put myself out there, especially like on Instagram saying, you know, to say, hey, like, this doesn't have to be something that you're you could be afraid of or that you have to hide. So I, like, even in my, like, graduation photos. I had it like, right on the back of my house, because I was like, this is a part of me now. So people, people should know that that's like, my identity and Nick,

Scott Benner 19:06
when you're dropping people and they're reaching for to save their lives, do they ever grab your devices and tear them off? That's a great question. Nick, I love it when you tell me I've asked a great question. By the way, feeds my ego in a way that you just can't imagine. I'm like, is a great question. I feel so good about myself invalidating it. Go ahead.

Nicholas 19:26
Yeah, so I there's been on occasion that, you know, stunt doesn't go the way you want to. And, yeah, I've had my CGM knocked off a couple times. Dexcom is great at, you know, replacing it pretty, pretty instantly. But to answer your question, it does happen sometimes. I gotcha, you're

Scott Benner 19:41
not telling me if you've ever dropped a human being, have you ever dropped a human

Nicholas 19:46
being? I, you know, I don't know what to consider a drop. You know, stunts don't always go as successful

Scott Benner 19:51
as ends with a girl in a dress. Cursing is what I'm assuming a drop means like, is that about what it is like?

Nicholas 19:58
Nope, nope. Cursing. But. Maybe the silent treatment. Like, what did you just do? Yeah, how

Scott Benner 20:03
do you play like and what do you like? What's the difference between your fault and their fault? Like, you know what I mean, like, how and who tells like, I have so many ques. Did you wait stop? I'm just asking you too many questions. But did you do like, now, pretty look, my kid played college baseball. I know you guys have probably been doing what you do since you were little, and your parents are hundreds of 1000s of dollars in the debt for travel, lacrosse and every other thing, but, but, so you went to Bri you played in tournaments, right? Yeah, like constantly. When did you know you were going to play in college? Two questions. When did you decide you wanted to play in college? When did you know it was actually going to work

Brie 20:42
out? So growing up on Long Island, like La Crosse in the northeast, was just like, I mean, that's like a hot bed. I was playing travel with the Long Island yellow jackets, and that's like, a huge name for colleges. And so it was pretty evident by like, the end of like, middle school, I was like, okay, yes, I want to play in college. Like, this is something I'm gonna, you know, put basketball for, you know, run winter track for, but use it, kind of, for trading purposes. So I had made that verbal commitment spring of my freshman year, which, like, essentially meant nothing, but, you know, other than, like, bragging rights, but yeah, that's got it was, it was early on. I was, like, probably 14 at the time.

Scott Benner 21:19
Were you tall at that point?

Brie 21:21
Like I was, I was growing. Yeah, I was definitely one of the taller ones.

Scott Benner 21:25
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out, because, I mean, as a freshman, they don't like, why would in Yale said yes, when you were a freshman, are you super smart? Bri, let's not make Nick feel bad, but, but go ahead. I

Brie 21:36
like, like, I'm average. I don't

Scott Benner 21:39
know, so Nick, I'm gonna ask you a question that I'm gonna bounce back to breathe in. Do you think that I don't know how to put this? Did shearing get you into a better college than you would have gotten into? Like, I because, I mean, it works that way, right? Like, you know, you get a little extra bump for being an athlete. So did that work out for you? So

Nicholas 21:58
my, my journey's a little bit different. I had mentioned earlier I played soccer all throughout my childhood, and I actually did not come into college knowing that I was going to cheer. So I, like, came into if you told me, like, when I stepped on campus that I was going to be a college cheerleader, like, within the semester, I would have told you, you're crazy. But I got recruited, kind of three weeks into August, and was handed a QR code by like, a upperclassmen who'd come from my high school at Notre Dame. I'm like, This sounds cool. I looked more into it and started stunting, which is, you know, when you throw your partner in the air. And I thought, you know, once I started stunting, I'm like, This is even more awesome. And all the, you know, amenities and things that comes with the student athlete was, uh, was great as well. So I'm like, I should really try this. And I did, and I've, you know, never looked back since, but I actually didn't, it didn't help me at all in the admissions process. I wish it would have, but I

Scott Benner 22:52
was gonna say, you're getting shaken down. Hear this break. You're making out way better than he is. My goddaughter was a flyer at Louisville. Oh, very cool, yeah. And until she was there, I didn't realize how competitive it was.

Nicholas 23:04
Yeah, was she, was she co Ed, or was she all girl?

Scott Benner 23:08
I think she started out on the team, like at the I don't know how to I don't know all the words so. And then I think eventually she got hurt, and she had to stop doing it. Okay, yeah. I think throwing a pound of person is probably dangerous. But wait, wait now. Bri, did you do you know Nick, have you ever bumped like, Were you with him at Chicago during smoke day or anything like

Brie 23:27
that? No, no, actually, this is, like, our first time meeting. Okay, yeah. So

Scott Benner 23:31
isn't it bizarre that he learned to do this in college? Can you imagine if you showed up at Yale and you were like, all right, I got the stick. Where's the ball? Tell me what to do. That's Nick. How quickly did it take you to be like, proficient at it?

Nicholas 23:43
Yeah, that's a great question. See, good

Scott Benner 23:46
job. Yeah. Bri hasn't done it, but it's fine.

Nicholas 23:52
It's it's taken, it's taken a bit of time where, as a team, you know males, you know kind of cheering in high school isn't as popular as, let's say, some other sports, so we actually really it's an investment for our team to kind of recruit guys as they're in college and get them up to speed and proficient with the sport. But I like to think our team's great at doing it, and they coached me really, really well. And you know, by my sophomore year, I was traveling, like to away games with the football team and and doing everything that I could with Notre Dame cheer squad. So Bree What's

Scott Benner 24:25
it feel like when that ball hits you? Like it happens sometimes, right? Like it comes across. It's yeah,

Brie 24:32
it's yeah, it's happened more than once, unfortunately, but yeah, no, I I've been in practice like I've gotten hit with shots in the head, and luckily, no concussions, at least yet I have, I've never had a concussion, but, you know, it's not fun. It's, I mean, the ball is like,

Scott Benner 24:45
this big cruising pain right when it hits you. It is, yeah,

Brie 24:49
I can't imagine what it's like for goalies who are getting pelted like every other

Scott Benner 24:53
shot. I don't even understand. Do you wear much protection? Because you guys really don't wear, you wear, like, shin pads, and, no, yeah. We

Brie 25:00
just have, we have a mouth guarding goggles and, I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've seen, like, nose. I've had teammates, like, break their like, fracture their noses. Yeah, there's been a lot of, one too many entries next,

Scott Benner 25:12
but I've never been, yeah, helmet seems annoying, but, I mean, but Nick's got more protection than you do. I don't understand

Brie 25:19
what's going on. Yeah, I have no idea. I they're going to change those rules eventually, because, I mean, with it being non contact, it's, it seems quite the opposite. Yeah. What

Scott Benner 25:29
are you in grad school for?

Brie 25:30
I'm studying journalism right now. Journalism. So

Scott Benner 25:32
you started with like, polysign. You went to journalism?

Brie 25:35
Yes, yeah, they had. The University of Oregon has a pretty solid school of journalism and communications, and it was one year, and I was like, that's perfect. Like, I plan on going to law school after so I was like, I can do something in the meantime. Have some like, I've always loved, like creative writing, but I've never learned, like journalistic type of writing, and like reporting is, like, kind of outside of my comfort zone. So I thought that doing something different would be super helpful.

Scott Benner 26:02
I was joking earlier, but breeze that does have three jobs. I didn't know you're going to law school, so when you guys are studying, let me ask you first Nick when you're studying, when you show up a class for a test, something like that. Something gets your kind of adrenaline going. How quickly do you stay on your Dexcom? Like, when does like? Is it walking to class? Is that when you sit down and realize I'm not prepared for not that you guys wouldn't be prepared. But you know what I mean, like when you're like, a little panicked about the test, do you see rises from adrenaline for schoolwork?

Nicholas 26:29
I do? Yeah, I usually see it about 15 minutes to 20 minutes like, into a test. We have accommodations here at Notre Dame through Sarah Bay program. So I actually usually test in my own separate room, and if I ever fall low or fall high, and I can't really think clearly, I can always ask them to, you know, stop the clock and for me to treat my blood sugar, and then, like, resume the test later. So they're really helpful with that, and I'm able to test like an environment that suits me. What's the

Scott Benner 26:57
number? Right? There's got to be a number where you get like, a little cloudy and and do you notice it in academics? And do you notice it in sports? And I'll give you my example. While my son played in college, my daughter stopped playing sports when she was like, I don't know, 14 or 15, maybe. But when she was 12, she was playing in a Little League World Series semi round. Her blood sugar would like, you know, they get jacked up, and the adrenaline would come. Her blood sugar would go up, and then I would notice that her foot speed would decrease over about 180 to 200 and I was wondering if you guys saw any deficits like that with higher blood sugars. I was gonna ask Brianna first, because she's running. Oh, yeah, but she's running. But you also might not be getting high because of that as well.

Brie 27:41
Yeah, yeah, I've had different encounters. It varies. Also, I know that the weather impacts, like, the time of the year that I'm playing, like, for example, when I'm playing with Team Puerto Rico, we're typically playing in the summers, because that's just how our like, tournaments will work. And I'll notice, like, there's been events where it's the style of play is also different. At the national level, it's very it's like, straight conditioning, so you're just running back and forth. And I normally play attack, I'm not running the length of the field, but in sixes, you are. And so when you're playing at that speed, I noticed that my I'm a lot more insulin resistant, and I'll I've never, I've never had to come off the field and, like, inject, but during those times when I'm playing, I'm like, way more cognizant of that, because there has been instances where I'm like, I've no, I'm like, I genuinely have no idea what's going on. Like, I feel dizzy, I have a headache, like, I gotta take myself off, um, I don't notice that it makes me physically slower, like, in terms of, like, my feet, and maybe it does. I think I'm just so in my head, and I get really cerebral in that moment. But, yeah, definitely in the warmer weather, I noticed that when I'm running around, but electrical will go a lot higher than

Scott Benner 28:41
two then do you feel foggy at all when you get higher or nauseous, or anything like that?

Nicholas 28:46
I do. I feel like I get foggy in the head, kind of around the, like, upper two hundreds, if I ever go to like lower 300 so I, you know, try and prevent that. I definitely feel that with cheer to just like your ability to focus when you're kind of in the air, like with your partner stunting. It gets a little foggy, but it's, it's something, you know, I always keep my pump on me, so I always try and not be as high, and I, like, prefer low or like, I attack the high, right? You know, on occasion,

Scott Benner 29:15
I always say I'd rather stop a lower falling blood sugar than fight with a high one. It just seems easier. So Nick and I'm going to translate this to Brien a second, but I'm assuming your mom had, your mom and dad had, you know, eight good years of deciding what healthy looked like for you right before you left for college. So you left with probably a fairly stable a 1c goal that you guys were meeting. And then you get to college, how do you decide what your new goal is? Like, it did it change? Was it hard for you to maintain what was going on when you had more help? Like, how did you navigate all of that?

Nicholas 29:52
Yeah, absolutely it so our goal never changed. It was hard to navigate at the beginning of my freshman year, just because, like, I stopped soccer. And picked up cheer, which is, like a different type of sport. I was living on my own, you know, we had access to the dining hall and all different types of foods. It wasn't the normal, you know, my mom's cooking at home, and so it was, it was a big transition, for sure, but I was able to, like, you know, get accustomed and comfortable to it towards the end of my spring in my freshman year, and now I feel very comfortable as a junior. You know, I know what to expect, and it's always been, you know, the same goal, but now it's more realistic for me to accomplish that you

Scott Benner 30:29
actually do it. Let's talk about the food for a second. Briano, it's just not great at college, right? Like hits you harder than when you're eating cleaner at home, greasy or fattier, the high stick to you longer to use more insulin at school than you do when you're at home. Yeah, that

Brie 30:44
was one thing I noticed, especially when I returned to my sophomore year at Yale, navigating the dining hall was incredibly difficult. I actually ended up going briefly. I was on like, a low FODMAP diet, so I worked really closely with the dining hall at Yale, and they would just be able to prepare me with, like, the correct because sometimes the menus, you know, the ingredients, some ingredients are missing, or, like, the carb counts are wrong for the servings, like the little nutritional Info Cards weren't necessarily super accurate. So I'd work really closely with the dining hall staff to be like, you know, I just want, like, plain chicken with, like sweet potatoes and like rice, or, like, whatever it is. And I'm like, just, like, if you give me X amount, like, one cup of this, one cup of this, like, I can calculate the carbs, because at that at that time, initially, like, I was so sensitive to, like, my insulin requirements and, like, being resistant and stuff. So I just was, like, very granular on my approach to carb counting. And then my senior year at Yale, and now my my year here. I'm living off off campus right now, I'm in a house, so that's been nice just to be able to, like, buy the food that I want prepare, the prepare the meals that I want to prepare, and now everything is kind of like, planned ahead and a little bit more scripted that way. So it makes managing a lot easier.

Scott Benner 31:56
Yeah, my daughter's freshman year, she ate in the dining hall, and it was hard. There was one time she texted me in the first couple of weeks, and she's like, I promise you, I am bolusing. And I was like, Okay, I said, What are you eating? And she goes, it's broccoli. I don't understand what's happening it. Just then you realize it's cooked in oil. And like, there's a reason it tastes good. And it's also got more processed food at school than you might ready. You know, used to at home, then her sophomore year, we got her, speaking of accommodations, we made them give her a room that had its own little like kitchen in it, and that made such a big difference in her blood sugars. Was really awesome, actually. I want to know. I'll start with you, Nick. I want to understand because you know, both ways, you know, using a Dexcom, you know, not using it like, can you tell me some of the places where not having a Dexcom would impact you, like, what do you think of when you think of losing it?

Nicholas 32:46
Of course, the first thing I think of is my sleep at night. I think that's the biggest thing for me, because when I have a Dexcom, CGM and my you know, all my parents are following it, like people in my dorm are following it, I feel a lot more comfortable being able to sleep at night, knowing that if something were to go wrong, Dexcom would alert me if I'm low or high, or maybe, like, my pumps malfunctioning, something of that sort, where, you know, if I didn't have the Dexcom CGM at night, like what my parents and I did when I was a lot younger, was we would test like Every hour to maybe every like two hours. And you know, that's such a tired, sleepless night to do that, even if it's only for two minutes, it's definitely a real challenge. So I've definitely caught up on hours of sleep with Dexcom, and that's the first thing to come to my mind. Yeah,

Scott Benner 33:35
I'll tell you that sleep for me, when my daughter got a CGM, like, it just changed. It changed my life. I was, I didn't realize how bad off I was actually, because sleep's that sort of thing that you don't notice it at first, and it gets slowly worse and worse and worse, and then you're exhausted. Don't realize you're exhausted. You know that kind of thing happens. Bri How about you? What like when you think, no. CGM, what do you think? Oh, no. That would mean,

Brie 33:56
yeah. I think for me, it's been part of my diabetes identity. Pretty much ever since I was diagnosed, like, having the Dexcom CGM has just, like, helped, even just from like, a confidence perspective. So I think the days were like, you know, if it falls off and I'm not able to get a replacement, or, you know, it expires, I don't have a backup of my bag, I'm like, Oh my God. Like, sometimes I'm like, Oh my gosh, what do I do? Like, I'm like, I'm, like, super reliant on the Dexcom, which is, which is helpful, and it's awesome. I mean, I of course, always make sure I have like, the meter and the like, strips and stuff in my backpack, just in case. But I think just from a peace of mind perspective, it's also like, you know, my mom will be like, Why don't I get your readings? And I'm like, I don't, I don't know, like, my bluetooth is off right now or something. So it's just like, it's nice to have, like, a comfortability standpoint, and even to, like, Nick was saying for for sleep, like, I would have it connected to this app that will, like, call you. So it's like, lasting a ringtone. It's like, in the middle of the night and I'm low or something. So yeah, it's definitely like, part of I would say it's like, plays a huge role in, like, my identity and who I am is, like an athlete with diabetes. Do. Either

Scott Benner 35:00
of you ever have moments when you just wish your parents couldn't see it? How do you handle that Nick's laughing? Let him go first. Yeah,

Nicholas 35:08
there's definitely times where you know, like, maybe you're sick, or maybe, like, your pumps not working properly. I I feel like shame when my blood sugar's like, high for too long. And like, you know, my mom definitely sees it, and I have to be like, Mom, I promise like, I'm I'm bulletin like, we have a, we have a fast acting insulin now, and times where that happens too. So, but yeah, you know, you just have to deal with it. And honestly, it's a type of accountability, like the next time you're just that much more persuaded, I guess, or influenced, to do better for for your parents. Nick, are you telling

Scott Benner 35:39
me that the overwhelming feeling is that you feel like you're letting like you're letting somebody down, or yourself down like you do? You feel like you're letting your mom down because she's had ashamed, right? Like, what's that feeling?

Nicholas 35:49
Yeah, no, it's I, you know. It's not like she's gonna be like, mad or disappointed in me. It's just that, like, I, you know, you know you can do better, and with your parents doing so much for you, it's just kind of like you feel a little disappointed in yourself that you weren't able to deliver the same thing. Have either

Scott Benner 36:06
of your parents ever sent the Find Your iPhone sound when they when you didn't answer their text? Have you ever had that experience smiling and laughing? Yeah, okay,

Brie 36:16
yes, no, I have had that experience. Have you ever

Scott Benner 36:20
gotten a text that says, Please don't make me send to find your iPhone sound to you, because I think I've sent that text

Brie 36:26
once or twice. Do

Scott Benner 36:28
you guys, either of you know the podcast

Brie 36:32
Brianna? You do? Yeah, yes, yeah. I'm actually juicebox. Podcast was like one of the first, like one of my first resources that I looked into for my mom's co worker, Heather. She's like, she's also type one, and she's like, it live. Think she listens to your podcast, like, religiously. But I just remember because my mom was trying to help me navigate the process too, and she was like, Oh my gosh. Like, Heather recommends juicebox, and so I have listened to a couple of your episodes. So I was like, I was super excited. So I'm like, somewhat familiar with it, but, yeah,

Scott Benner 37:03
let's say hi to Heather. Nick. Do you know it too? That's not possible. Like, you guys are young. Like, listen, I made this podcast for my daughter. Like, I'm not gonna lie to you, I basically, I was like, if I make a podcast where everything's explained that one day when I'm gone, she can go back and listen to it, and she'll like, like, right? She never listens to it. She's on episodes. She won't listen to those episodes. So, like, have you,

Nicholas 37:24
Nick, heard it? So kudos to the Dexcom marketing team, because they gave us, like, a cool briefing doc about your podcast. But also, I called my mom saying, okay, you know I'm doing well, like, I'm going to be on this podcast. I think it's called the juicebox podcast. She's like, What? Like, I've been listening to that since day one. She's like, most of my advice to you comes from that, oh. I'm like, oh. So she's like, Uncle Scott,

Scott Benner 37:49
here, Nick you understand, there we go. Yeah, all your success, I'm not gonna take credit for it, but, I mean, I will later tell other people how I saved your life. How do you talk to other people? Like, if I brought you right now a couple of seniors in high school who were gonna go, you know, off to school and play a sport. What do you think you would tell them? Like, I'm not gonna say, like, Give me three things, but like, anything that you can rattle off your head that, like, really seems like knowledge, because a lot of parents listen to this and their kids are playing sports and hoping to play in school too. And yes, like, with some of these devices, I don't know if you noticed, like, some professional, like, field goal kicker last weekend stepped up to kick a field goal, and he had like, an OmniPod on one arm and a g7 on the other arm. And I was like, Look at this guy. Go. And so I'm just wondering, like, what? What would you tell somebody if they asked you for advice? Nick, you want to go first?

Nicholas 38:36
Yeah, absolutely. I think the first advice I would give them is the best thing to do is communicate with everyone around you. I've always had a really positive experience with my coaches. I'm communicating to them both in soccer and in cheerleading, and so that's my first bit of advice. Like, communicate with your teammates, let them know what's going on. Communicate with your coach, because sometimes in a game, you know, you may have to be like, subbed out quickly, or like, grab, you know, grab the fruit snacks and Skittles to treat a low, you know, that's, that's probably my first bit of advice. The second is, you know, I think it's, I think it's a great challenge to have, because I think you're that just that much more prepared. You know, when you're going into your sport, like, for cheerleading, like, I'm not so worried about, like the starts I'm hitting, as I'm worried about my blood sugar, whereas, like, my teammates are worried about, you know, if they brought, like, the proper tape, right? And so I feel like I'm that much prepared, like in soccer, like my teammates, like, would be forgetting their shin guards and, like, bringing them to games, whereas, like, I can't forget like, my, you know, glucagon or Skittles or or glucose meter. And so I'm definitely not going to forget my shin guards at that point, you know. So, so I just feel like it's, you're just that much more prepared. And we actually, with Dexcom u we were able to go to this really cool sports camp over the summer in San Diego where there was both, like, professional athletes there, and then college athletes part of Dexcom, you and then even younger kids, just, you know, kind of you. Trying out every sport, and everybody had diabetes there. And so it was a really cool experience, just to kind of see people from all levels. And I even got advice from the professional athletes there in terms of, like, how to interact, like, with the athletic trainers and really take your sport to the next level with type one diabetes. So it's, you know, I can give advice, but I can also, I'm taking advice all the time. It's

Scott Benner 40:20
a great answer. Nick, and I'm not just saying that because you earlier said I asked a good question. Brando, how about you?

Brie 40:27
Yeah, I'd say my biggest thing is probably to practice patience. That's something that I'm like, historically, a very immaculate person, just beyond the context of diabetes, just like school, lacrosse, whatever it is. I think being able to practice patients has been so helpful for me, but also for the people around me that are managing my diabetes. Like, they understand, you know, if my mom's looking at my glucose levels and like, I'm slightly higher than normal, like, she knows now not to probe and be like, are your levels high? And I'm like, you know, clearly I'm not in a good mood. Clearly I'm not in a good mood. Like, give me, like, a couple minutes to, like, refocus and get my mental state back, you know, yeah, and check. And then I think also, just like learning to embrace the struggle that's like dealing with it in right, basically, right at the start of my collegiate career, I was, like, so bogged down, like it took a really big mental toll on me. And I was like, I don't know how I know I can still play lacrosse, but, like, I don't even know what that transition back to the field is going to look like. And everyone around me was just so supportive, being like, You're so strong, like you put up with, like, being an athlete, playing pretty much every sport, growing up that like this is just, you know, another, like, minor piece of adversity that you can 100% overcome. And so I think learning to embrace the struggle and kind of, like Nick said, I think it it holds you more accountable, like you see, you hold yourself to a higher standard. You know, there's like that natural set of discipline that just kind of grows with you as an athlete, but also as someone managing a chronic illness. And so I think when you're able to use that discipline and accountability, you can actually apply it to your sport, but also know that, like, you still have those attributes from playing sports and being an athlete that you can apply to your

Scott Benner 42:07
diabetes. Yeah, I was gonna that's another great answer, actually, but I was gonna use the word lucky, because I can't find a better word, but you guys are lucky and you don't realize it. And I've had the experience of interviewing 1000s of people, right? And when I find people who are in their late 20s who didn't have a lot of success with their management in college, the statements usually run in two different ways, like either I was diagnosed really early, and my parents took care of everything, so I didn't even know what I was doing when I got to college, and I was scared to tell my parents I didn't know enough, I went C went up. My variability got worse before I knew it. My health was an issue. It took me a long time to get it back together again. Or you hear people who are were in brief situation like, look, I was diagnosed in college. No one was even there to help me. I didn't know what I was doing, and I had these same problems. And then it can take them years and years and years to get through life and graduate and do all the things they want to do to make the space to actually come back and and look at diabetes again and put it into a position where it can be a healthy existence for you. And both of you guys seem to have, like been able to avoid that, and good for you, by the way, but I think it probably has a lot to do with playing sports, like, right? Because you can't do what you guys do with vacillating blood sugars, with super highs, with being low all the time. So yes, it puts it on your plate of things that you need to understand if you want to keep doing the thing you're doing. But my last question, then, for both of you is, and how do you make the space for that? Like, how do you not in the middle of, like, a three hour study session, just mute your phone and be like, I can't, I can't do this right now. Like, how do you make space for diabetes in a life that's already would have been over full if you were just college students, but now is over full plus a sport. And I'm speaking from a position of understanding. Like, I know what my son's schedule is like playing baseball. So like, how do you, how did you get it to fit in without making you crazy?

Nicholas 44:03
Yeah, absolutely that. That's a great question. Nick and I

Scott Benner 44:08
are going to be friends after this. Go ahead.

Nicholas 44:11
So I think it's really like, you know, it's another like, I'm sure breeze used to this too, with being at such a great like, academic university, and then being a student athlete, and then, you know, wanting to have a social life on top of that, and like, just interacting with different clubs. And you know, there's, there's a million things you want to do here, and you have to be if you want to accomplish your dreams, or if you're so, you know, inspired and motivated to do one thing, you have to take care of your diabetes, or it's going to get the best of you, you know what I mean, and you have to be on top of it. And so I think, you know, I, like, came into University of Notre Dame, like, knowing that I wanted to do great academically and do this club, and I joined cheerleading. And so I got so inspired. And so, like, happy to do what I was doing every single day that, you know, managing my diabetes. 90s was just like, a goal and something I became proud of because my great, like, my blood sugar's great, like, I'm gonna go do what I love to do. It is another, like, roadblock or challenge, but in that way, like, it prepares you even more. But it's also like, you know, like, if you're really motivated about accomplishing a goal, like, you know, you can go through 20 roadblocks to get to that goal, and you'll always keep doing it, because it's, it's something that you want to do. So I think, like, my main message is, like, if you know, like what you want to do, and and you love what you do, and you love your sport, and you want to do well at it, like, control your diabetes, because that's your goal, and nothing should stop you from doing that. Do you

Scott Benner 45:36
think Nick a follow up question is, do you think that playing sports your whole life gives you that ability to do that thing, because it's, it's for a person who doesn't do it. I mean, and there's one thing to like, play for fun, right? But like, when you really are digging down and you're thinking, like, I'm gonna go in college and do this, I don't know if everyone understands the amount of time and effort you put into something. So even as a kid, you're managing your time much differently. Like, do you think you think you were predisposed to be able to do well at this because of that? Absolutely,

Nicholas 46:04
I think sports serve you so well in life, and, you know, and being able to have, like, a competitive drive and and competing for something that you want to achieve, and that's, you know, the same thing with diabetes, right? Like, if you're training, you know, to be a college athlete, and you're doing more than the average person's doing in your sport. It's kind of the same with diabetes, right? Like you need to you're doing more to be great at your sport, but it's just that much higher of a person that you have to be in order to do that. So I think sports are a great way to, like, really enhance that competitive drive and allow you to achieve that goal. And I've, you know, played sports my whole life, and, you know, I think that's aided me and having that drive,

Scott Benner 46:45
right? Brianna, how about you?

Brie 46:47
Yeah, I mean, I feel pretty much the same way. I think, you know, you know, coming into college, there's that there's going to be that balance, if you want to make it as even as you can, between the sports, between the academics, between, you know, having a balanced social life. And I think for me, you know, coming in and having, like, a almost a full year under me in college, I was like, okay, I can do this. I'm acclimated, you know, and then you get hit with the diabetes diagnosis, and, you know, your next three years look entirely different. But I think with that, like, it's a learning process, but it's the same way that, you know, you pick up a stick for the first time and you're like, my gosh, I'm awful at this. Like, I can't catch and throw. This is so embarrassing. Yeah, and then you, you know, takes you a couple months, it takes you a year, and then you're like, oh, wow, this is actually so fun, because I put in the work behind it, and I'm seeing the results. And I think, you know, it's the same way when you step onto the field, like, exactly what Nick was saying. Like, as a lacrosse player, you're treated it's a spring sport, but you're training full year round. You know, with your diabetes, like, there's, there's no you can't just take a day off. Like, you can't just be like, I'm just not going to look at, you know, my CGM not going to look at my glucose numbers today. Like, that's just not an option. And it's the same way, like, you want to be successful on the field, you have to do the things that will translate to those outcomes, being able to be confident in, like, having a structure routine every day. I think being able to have, like, I think the biggest thing coming from sport is having, like, a strong mental psyche. I think that's really, really bolstered my ability to be like, okay, like, all I have to do is control the controllables and understand also and be mindful that, like, my numbers aren't going to be perfect every day. You know, I'm not going to go out and have the perfect game. I'm not going to I might go three for five on my shots or something like, I'm not not everything is not going to fall into place exactly how you want it. And so being mindful in that sense, has definitely helped me. But I think for sure, being an athlete has allowed me that level of discipline that I can apply to my diabetes. And, you know, just trusting myself in managing it, I

Scott Benner 48:36
think just showing up on campus probably having been the best, whatever player you were before, and then getting to another place where that's not true anymore, if you can get there, absorb that and keep going, it's a big deal at a young age, like I, I watched my son go through it, and it's a it helps you as you become an adult, too. It really does, like you can have thick skin, you know,

Unknown Speaker 49:00
absolutely? Yeah,

Scott Benner 49:01
I wish we had more time. If we did, I would ask you about dating with diabetes, because I am interested in whether or not that makes things difficult, of how people treat you and etc. But maybe we'll have to have you guys back some time and do it another time. Sounds good. We'd

Nicholas 49:14
love to be back.

Scott Benner 49:15
You guys got class today. You got to go, like, do

Brie 49:17
stuff. Where are you headed? Bert, I have no I actually don't start until the 30th with classes, but I have my first lacrosse meeting later today, so that I'm writing for newspapers. So I've got some some training meetings and stuff here and there. But, yeah, just gearing up for the start of the

Scott Benner 49:34
fall. Good luck. That's awesome. How about you,

Nicholas 49:36
Nick? We are gearing up for a really cool game day against Notre Dame versus Louisville this weekend. You know, we have a couple alumni tailgates, and we've got a few like run through practices. So it's going to be, it's going to be rainy tomorrow, actually, here in South Bend, so that'll be fun, but, yeah, preparing for a game day. So that's the rest of my day. All right. Well, good

Scott Benner 49:54
luck to both of you. It's awesome. You guys are really your parents. Must be incredibly proud of you. You know, I'm proud of you, and I've. And you're for like, 45 minutes. You guys are really doing it. It's harder than people would give you credit for. I don't think, I don't think anybody should try to say how difficult it is to be a college athlete with type one diabetes, but there's no doubt in my mind that it isn't easy. So good job, both of you. I'm really, really think it's awesome what you're doing. Thank you.

Nicholas 50:18
Thanks, Scott. Yep.

Brie 50:19
Thank you so much, Scott, for your time. Appreciate it.

Nicholas 50:21
Yeah, thanks for having us on. Oh,

Scott Benner 50:23
it's my pleasure. You guys were great.

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