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Scott Benner 0:01
Hello, everyone, welcome to Episode 361 of the Juicebox Podcast. On today's show, we're gonna let the good times roll. And by that I mean we're gonna try something a little different. I'm having a person with Type One Diabetes, Justin, he's an adult and his mother who, then this may not surprise you is also an adult. That's not the point. The point is Justin's mom kind of fills in some of the questions about diagnosis in the early days, and then we move on to Justin who talks about having Type One Diabetes now and his career as a chef and many other things. As you're listening, please do me the favor of remembering that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. Please always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. Do you have an absolutely favorite diabetes endocrinologist doctor nutritionist, nurse practitioner somebody you love and you'd like to share it with someone else. Head to juice box Doc's calm. Not only will you find a list of listener approved doctors, but you can add to that list by sending an email with your favorite doc and their deeds doc in their deeds juicebox Doc's dot com

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Justin 3:46
Hi, my name is Justin. I'm 39. I've been diabetic for 36 plus years. And

yeah, it's cold in Minnesota.

Scott Benner 4:00
That's where you're at. Now also on the on the show is Justin's mom, Cory. Cory, can you say hello?

Courtney 4:08
Hello, everyone. I'm Courtney. I also live in Minnesota. I don't know why. No, I'm just kidding. And I am Justin's mom. Justin is our oldest.

Scott Benner 4:20
How many kids do you have? Cory?

Courtney 4:22
We have three but I consider that we have six because they all have wonderful, significant others.

Scott Benner 4:29
Your mom's gonna be sweet. See, this is nice. Okay. So we'll start off a little bit. Here. I'm going to kind of do things backwards a little bit, I guess. Corey, can you tell me what you remember about Justin's diagnosis?

Courtney 4:44
Yeah, it was actually very memorable because we found out that he was diabetic in a pretty unusual way. We were living in Minnesota but my husband was being transferred to St. Louis. And so the night before we left, my husband was already gone. I was and you can picture this. I had Justin who was to one week before his third birthday. I had Amanda who was one. And I was pregnant. And so the night yeah. There's not a lot of other things to do. No, just kidding. Um, so what happened was the night before we had been outside, swimming, playing, having a good time. And we stopped to get a bite to eat. And unbeknownst to me, Justin is drinking everything on the table. Are you finished with this? He asks very nicely. And are you finished with that he's drinking everything on the table. And I thought something was really odd. But a friend of mine who is an ER nurse goes, Oh, we've been outside, it's hot. You know, no big deal. Well, by the time we go to get on the plane, the next morning, he is again, drinking everything inside, he has to go to the bathroom. And he is potty trained. But he has toured the bathroom frequently. And we get on the flight. And we get to St. Louis. And mind you, I'm by myself with two babies pregnant. And I think you know what, something's not right. So I pull into what looks like a pediatric clinic. Because it's, again, my first day in St. Louis. And we know no one. Yeah. I pull in and I sit, you know, take them out of car seats, and so on. And I go in and I give them what I don't know. But they should know, classic diabetic diabetic symptoms. His eyes are very dark, he looks very dehydrated. He's, you know, thirsty all the time. And of course, he has to have a bathroom all the time. And I tell them, I just need to know if this is life threatening. Or if it's just a virus. And they're like, Well, you know, we're really busy. It's 10 o'clock in the morning. We're really busy. We can't see him until about four. Oh. And they kind of look at me like,

Oh, she's just being overprotective.

Unknown Speaker 7:20
I'm sorry, you cut out. She's just

Courtney 7:23
being over protective. Gotcha.

And that's not my nature, I usually handle things pretty well. So I'm like, Well, okay, I guess it's not life threatening, and bundle them back up in the car. And mind you it's 100 degrees in St. Louis. It's, you know, summer bundle backup in the car. And I started to drive down the road. And I'm like, No, something is not right, I need to get this check. So I said, I'm just going to take him to the emergency room. But of course, I don't know where I'm going. And this is long before cell phones. It's even long before MapQuest if we can imagine. So for all the youngsters out there, yeah, way before. So I think I'll just take them to an emergency room, will I miss the entrance to an emergency room down the road. But then I see another like high rise clinic. That what you know what, we'll just go there, and I'll see if somebody else will just take a look at him. By this point, he has to go to the bathroom again, we go in, and I just hit a button that I see pediatric ear. So it's just one doctor on one floor kind of thing. And I go in and I say the same thing. I just need to know if this is life threatening. Or this is just, you know, a cold or virus. They were so dear. They took us in immediately. They did a quick test. And they said Mrs. emo. I don't want to alarm you, but your son is less than 12 hours from going into a coma. He has type one diabetes also

Scott Benner 9:00
here right now, that's not an alarming sentence at all, you will probably find pregnant with your little children in a brand new.

Courtney 9:08
So in this way, said I am not someone who panics. So I said, Oh my gosh. And to be honest, I was just so thankful to know what it was. And to know that it was something we could deal with. So at that point, I just said Could I please borrow your phone so I can let my husband know he's at his place of work. And can you please give me directions for where I need to go? Because they had also said we've called ahead to Cardinal Glennon children's Memorial Hospital, downtown St. Louis, and my job my way on the south side of St. Louis, my very first day there. So they give me all the directions. I put the kids back in the car. We drive to the hospital and by this point, they've Both falling asleep and Justin's becoming more and more lethargic by the minute.

Scott Benner 10:04
Yeah, dying is another word for it. Yeah, pretty nice. Exactly.

Courtney 10:10
So we get there again, like I said, it's 100 degrees, I take one out of the car seat, I start to take the other one out, the security guard was just wonderful. He's like, may I help you? I said, that would be wonderful. So he picks up Amanda carries her and I carry Justin and Justin is so far gone at this point. And this has just happened to you rapidly that they were in the ER for six hours. And I held him when they put his IV and because he was that lethargic. And fortunately for us, we say this, though, so so many times. We were meant to find this out in St. Louis, because Cardinal Glennon children's Memorial Hospital is across the street from Washington University, the premier diabetic Research Hospital at the time, at the time,

Scott Benner 11:06
so things have changed. So I save a couple of questions. First of all, this is like a classic Midwestern experience, you know, you just people are taking you in, you know, you didn't get turned away at first. But you know, everybody's very happy to help you once you're there. Scary, or no time to be scared. Do you remember at all and Justin, I'm interested to do you know this story? Or is the first time you're hearing it?

Justin 11:33
I know the story, but I

was obviously out of it at the time. So it's it's pure hearsay, which is kind of why I thought it would be a good idea for my mom to actually tell it.

Scott Benner 11:46
Yeah, it's super interesting. Yeah. And I thought it would be interesting even to kind of hear your I mean, your three. So I mean, honestly, I don't remember one thing from when I was three. I don't know a lot of people do. But yeah, yeah, this exact please. 36 years ago, this happened to you. And you know, it's just like she's borrowing people's phones to call them and you know, can I can I borrow your telephone? And she she left out the part where it was like a rotary dial phone hanging on the walls of the office. Probably. She also

Justin 12:15
left out the part where hadn't even got to our new house yet.

Scott Benner 12:21
Yeah, you're just there, right?

Courtney 12:24
Yeah, it's my first, basically our first hour or two in St. Louis, in a rental car. And yeah, it's, I will tell you honestly, that I was not so much scared. I was truly I was scared, because I knew something was happening. And I felt like they didn't take me seriously at the first place. So that was a big deal to me. And so then when I got the answer, well, I thought it was a monumental piece of news to get, obviously, I was so so thankful I know what it was.

Scott Benner 13:04
Anyone who's gone through an undiagnosed illness, knows the relief that comes when somebody tells you what it is funny, because you put so much effort and time into worrying and thinking and trying to figure it out and going to different doctors, and then everybody's always like, well, maybe it's this like, Well, that doesn't seem like an answer, an answer, sometimes very comforting, even if it's not the answer you want.

Courtney 13:26
Absolutely. And then I will be really honest, too, in that when he was in the hospital, so of course, they admitted him. And so our first six days in St. Louis, was in the hospital, right. And it's funny, the little things that happen, I happen to have coloring book and crayons and things. So Amanda was underneath Justin's bed coloring. He was just being fantastic. And I think, you know, kids rise to the occasion when there's things going on. Yeah. So she, she was wonderful. Justin was absolutely amazing. Because once he started to get IVs, and those sorts of things, you know, we got him back pretty quickly. And that was great. But I remember them worrying so much about us being overwhelmed and being really frightened. And I think both both Gemini, my husband and I just do really well with information. So at that time, of course there wasn't Google. And I said I'm fine. But can you get me all the information that you have? And I said, I don't want the layman's terms. I want all the medical documents. Yeah. And they gave me everything. It was wonderful. And then I'm just a voracious researcher and reader anyway you poured through. So that became my mission. My mission was find out absolutely everything. thing possible?

Well, Justin could have the best life.

Scott Benner 15:04
How was the treatment? 33 years ago? Was it regular an MPH? Did you even have a meter in your house? How did all that work?

Courtney 15:11
Oh, that yeah, that's interesting. It was regular and mph. And we tested blood sugar Betty, it was basically just on a stick. Yeah. And then you know, you were checking out and getting your your ratings. And then, but because we were in St. Louis, it was very different than a lot of places that I've heard of, in that he was having multiple shots from the beginning, though he he had four shots a day, which was not common for a lot of protocols elsewhere. Yeah. And so we felt very fortunate about that. And then he also tested his blood sugar, six to eight times a day. But he was, he was amazing, because I grew up.

So I'm 61.

And so when I grew up, it was kind of that whole time of free spirited people, and you would see things on TV is black and white TV, but things on TV where people were doing things with needles, and so on, and I, I was really pretty afraid of needles, okay, um, you know, of course, you have to have a shot. So I would do that without a problem. But it was something I was like, I could never be a nurse or I could never, you know, that was not my thing, right? And then I end up having a child who's diabetic

Scott Benner 16:38
is that, and this is the 60s or those know, the 70s.

Courtney 16:43
For him, he Well, when I grew up, or when he was no, he was born in the 80s. He was born in the 80s. But when you when you're talking about you're growing that time period for yourself. So well, I lived in California at the time, so I was spent a lot of time in San Francisco and so on. And that would have been like, for me, I was in the hospital. San Francisco General, for a complicated elbow surgery. Okay. And that was right in the time. It was like 1967 1968 Yeah, so that was kind of that big free, you know,

Scott Benner 17:18
free love cuz the whole space in there, the Vietnam War. And and absolutely, yeah, that is a weird time. If people who aren't there don't realize probably all the culture that was happening and kind of bang into each other at the moment.

Courtney 17:33
So for me, I thought, Oh, my gosh, I should be the last person to have a child that has to have shots. But you figured it out. Right? Well, I, I will tell you honestly, I'm practicing on an orange Jim was as well. And the nurses were giving him his shots this first couple of days. And then one day, Justin looks up and he says, Mommy, will you give me my shot?

inside a wet?

Unknown Speaker 17:58
Oh, we're gonna give you up for adoption.

Courtney 18:02
Holy crap. And you know what? He was so brave, right through the entire thing that I thought if he can be this brave, I have to be this brave. And it was probably the best thing because it made me have to do it. Yeah. And once you do it once, then you're fine. Sure. No, but that first time, I was dreading and he, he made me He made me strong because he was so strong.

Scott Benner 18:27
That's very cool. So how long do you think Justin? How do you When do you remember picking up your care? Like, when did you guys did you transfer it over? Did you just all sort of do it together for a very long time? How did that all work in your memory?

Justin 18:43
In my memory, I remember. I remember starting to give myself shots. like eight ish, nine ish, somewhere in that range.

Unknown Speaker 18:59
Six, okay. Memories testing your blood sugar at four.

Scott Benner 19:04
Wow. You can pee on a stick when you were four. Justin. Good for you?

Justin 19:11
Um, yeah, I feel like is it I feel like, I mean, not full control, obviously. But I remember doing a lot like, as soon as I could. Okay, kind of thing. Um, because self sufficiency or something? I don't know.

Scott Benner 19:30
I'm just something you were taught you. You were inclined to try it even at a young age. And you did.

Justin 19:36
Yeah, I mean, still, I mean, to this day, I don't I don't like needles either. Like, I go, I go and get my blood drawn at the doctors and I like have a nerve like I don't want someone else standing. I'll stab myself. Thank you very much. Like, I don't Yeah, right. Um, but yeah, I remember doing I remember doing a lot of it. Since As long as I like I don't remember not ever doing if

Scott Benner 20:04
not here. When did Justin in today's like world? You have a pump you have a CGM. Like Is that how you manage? Yep, I tandem. I'm an old I'm an old tech g4 and dexcom g4. Okay, how do you find that still? I love it. That's amazing, isn't it? And that's something that's that's real perspective. Actually, Justin, because I was talking about this with someone the other day, like literally the other day, were you. It was with an old school person who'd been around diabetes for 50 years. And they were mentioning how it freaks them out when someone says, Oh, you know, my Dexcom lost its signal for 10 minutes. This thing is a pain in the butt. And the guy's like, they have no idea what they're, I mean, I guess he said it's relative to their life. I guess he's like, they have no idea how far we've come so quickly.

Justin 20:57
Absolutely. Like, and I I started listening. Actually, the first podcast I listened to of yours was the because it popped up in my like Google News Feed about Costco carrying g six stone.

Scott Benner 21:17
I remember that moment in time when that happened.

Justin 21:19
Yes. And, and I, that was the first podcast I ever listened to. And I was like, you know, I had had, I've had Dexcom for a while and a pump and yada yada yada, but like, and I and again, I come from a strong, like, we've been Pre-Bolus since since I was three. Yeah. Like, taking a shot half an hour, before meals was kind of always the thing comedy. So like people who've, like never heard of it. I'm like, what, like, confused, like, I've known about that since 1983. Like, but I started listening and it immediately kind of kicked in a gear. And I think I've said this on like, the the discussion group, like it, put it in a framework that put a technique to all of the information that I knew, if that makes sense.

Scott Benner 22:19
It does. I'm glad to,

Justin 22:21
um, because it's like, I had all the tools I have all the knowledge like, Why are my eight one C's? Eight and a half, or whatever, you know what I mean? Course, um, but I but but the one thing I didn't have, like I had the old dexcom g4. So I immediately went on a search because I I went to bowl too early, real fast and had some bonkers lows. Some like real hardcore, like Van Gogh, Kaleidoscope type type situations. Um, so that Mike, my girlfriend has a friend whose daughter is diabetic. And she got me a g4 with the share function. Okay, because I never I never had that, right. So like, once I had some bonkers lows, I'm like, I need other people to be able to see this, like, what's going on with my sugars? Because I'm being all crazy. Um, yeah, so like, I just this year, like, I've kicked it into gear. And now my girlfriend can see my numbers and my mom can see my numbers. And like,

Scott Benner 23:31
yeah, and you're managing really well on on dex contact. It's two generations old. Yeah, what were you able to so this this time you're talking about? It's not that long ago? Like you've only been listening like inside of this calendar year. Is that right? Correct. Yeah. And where did you get your a one seater so far?

Justin 23:49
Um, my last one was six, two or six, three. Wow,

Unknown Speaker 23:53
that's very cool.

Justin 23:55
And I'll be honest, like, like, I was tracking it on clarity and, and tide pool and like, I know, I have all the things basically, that I can that I can work with my g4,

Scott Benner 24:08
right? That's excellent, man. How's your variability and your time and range? Is it does it always get better? Are you having trouble with it?

Justin 24:15
I do. variability is I'm working on that. That's kind of the hard one. Timing range. I mean, my 70 to 120 timing range is isn't as great but if I put it to the, the standard, like, on my clarity, I put it to 70 to 180 because that's what all the doctors like to look at. Yeah. And then then I'm sitting at like, 80%

Scott Benner 24:42
that's really great. You know, congratulations. That's wonderful. Now, I need to stop you for a second mom. Is this. How does that feel to you is he's an adult now obviously. And and you're, you know, you're probably far removed from day to day being in contact with him about it, but Want to know? Like, does it feel any different? Being 61? To hear that he has a six two than it would have been if he was 10. And this was happening?

Courtney 25:09
Oh, yeah, I think I think a lot has changed. Our goal, always from the beginning was to, to educate him, you know, enough so that if he was invited to a birthday party, or he, you know, had an opportunity that they were doing a field trip at school. You know, we didn't have the technology that is available now. So if he was in charge, I mean, he had to learn pretty quickly how to be in charge, and what choices to make for food and those kinds of things. But it was really important to me that he be able to know why to make the choices that you make, and how it would affect. But he, he literally said to me, was this a year ago, Justin, that or maybe even shorter than that, he goes, Mom, I have a present for you. It's, you know, 30, you know, 35 years too late. But here you go. And it was the first time I could actually see his blood sugar's through the shared program. That's cool. Where there's so many parents now that, like you were saying, you know, if they can't see something, or something goes down for a short period of time. And they kind of panic and say, that was old school all the time. Yeah, I mean, anything that he did, or whatever, we did not want him to be in this, you know, bubble or cocoon type of life. We wanted him to be able to do anything and everything that he wanted to do. But that meant he had to know what he was doing, too. And he was he, you know, he's, he's smart, smart man. And he was pretty smart, young man. So he took those things pretty well. But I think we tried to understand that there had to be grace within that those choices in those decisions to as part of the learning process.

Scott Benner 27:12
Justin, you're Sir, I'm sorry, I cut you off. Just do you think that you're a one see being in the eights is a product of that was expectation as you were growing up? So you were hitting expectation in the eights at one point, that was what they told you? And now they and then they said sevens? And they always push the number but was it not? Because it doesn't seem like To me it's a lack of your understanding? or lack of trying? I think it was, it's, I'm going to ask you like it was that just because that was the goal.

Justin 27:40
I'll be honest, like I

Yeah, no. I mean, my goal was never to be like Mike, I never, I always wanted to be good. It's not like I was like, I'm gonna be crappy, but like, like, had like, having having knowledge and having the direction to use the knowledge are two different things. Okay. So like, I mean, like, even my mom said it with diagnosis. Like, I don't trust what they said. Like, I I can't tell you how many doctors I've gone to. And within 15 minutes or endos, 15 minutes gone. I'm gonna have to teach this person something like I'm out. Yeah,

Scott Benner 28:27
yeah, I'm here. You know, I'm teaching the doctor. Great. Yeah. And I'm not exactly like the world on fire. So what does that say? Right. Yeah.

Justin 28:36
So so like, I, I kind of had a distrust of like, Don't when I, when I got my first under seven, eight, when I was like, the first one like that, like, I teared up, it was like a 6466 or something. It was first one under seven in my whole life this year. Like the doctor, she looked at me and she went, I don't know if this is good. You know, usually when when patients get under a seven, you know, risk for heart stuff goes up this, that and the other this, that and the other and I looked at it, I went for type ones or type twos. And she kind of stopped and went, you're right. Like and then and then she like, immediately got on my page, because she realized she's not talking to someone who's needs to take a bunch of pills to get a six, six, or whatever, you know what I mean? And it was very, like now I'm like her favorite patient because I roll in with my laptop. And I show her all the tide pool stuff and all the clarity stuff like I don't you know what I mean? She's usually bringing residents in who are like, Oh my God, I've never seen this before. You know what I mean? So it's like finally, finally, I built up a little trust with a doctor in for the first time in 36 years. And it's kind of cool.

Scott Benner 30:00
That's amazing. It's crazy that they don't know about that stuff. It's great that you're introducing it to them. It's nice that they're receptive to it. They're not just putting up a wall, which happens, a lot of people win it.

Justin 30:09
And I'll be honest, like, we're in Minnesota. I mean, I live in Minneapolis. And what's, what's the big company that's right in the cities here. So like, I walk in with a tandem pump, and they are confused.

Scott Benner 30:24
It's very true. Medtronic is it's like if if, if minister, if Minnesota had a state insulin pump, it would be it would be a Medtronic pump. I think it's Oh, absolutely.

Justin 30:37
And like, I was supposed to get a pump, years and years ago, but it was there, like, Oh, go to the IDC, which I maybe they've changed, but they were, you know, I went to the international Diabetes Center that's really well known here. And they're like, Oh, you need three months of exact logs. And you pretty much have to get an A one c under seven before we can even think about getting you a bump. And I was like, that makes zero. Just like you think like that makes zero sense.

Scott Benner 31:05
When you're making that's for sure.

Courtney 31:08
Like, Oh, definitely backwards? Yeah.

Scott Benner 31:12
Well, it's, it's if they don't understand, then we can't give them more to understand in it. And I don't have I feel like I say it a million times. But they either give you incomplete or wrong tools. Even if they give them to you, they don't tell you how to use them. And then they chastise you for not getting a great day one see with those tools until you if you want more help, you're gonna have to do better even though we've given you zero direction. Good luck. And, and I'll

Justin 31:37
be honest, my big my biggest issue, recording, I'm not going to write down every finger stick I do ever. Like that's it's not going to happen.

Scott Benner 31:48
Oh, sorry. Most of this, most of this podcasts exists because of my laziness around diabetes, not wanting to count carbs, not wanting to bring logs to doctors, you know, yeah, all that stuff. Like I'm like, Oh, really, I'm you know, not because I'm lazy. But because it's, you're busy. And even when that Arden was, you know, two, three years old, didn't have time to sit down and hack through months of data to show them which by the way, when you showed it to them, they would sort of look at it like, ah, I think I see a high here. It happened more than once. Like, that's what I spent two days they can through that afford. So you could like, point to a uptick on a line. I could have figured that out. Like that's not helpful. You know, it's I saw that for the last three months. Now, what do I do about it? You know?

Courtney 32:34
Absolutely. Balance is the key. And that's I think that's really the the key to diabetes anyway, is you've got to figure out how to balance all of the things that you are responsible for when you have type one diabetes, with having the most enriched life you can have.

Scott Benner 32:57
Cory, wouldn't you say that? That's life, too, not just diabetes, like oh,

Courtney 33:01
yeah, absolutely. But I think there's a layer that gets added that for those who don't have it, they don't realize because you are required. Because, you know, because of the diagnosis and the management of the illness, you are required to adhere to a certain amount of steps within your protocol to have a full life. So yes, everyone, everyone on the planet, you know, every human being, you know, has certain responsibilities and certain things that they have to do for self care. But if you have diabetes, whether it be one or two, but one specifically, there are requirements, your you cannot jerk,

Scott Benner 33:50
right? There's some stuff it would be

Courtney 33:52
nice some days. Yeah, yeah, it would be nice. If some days you could just get a vacation from it. But as a parent watching a child or other people, you know, never, you know, for Justin to never get a vacation from that. You know, kinda kind of breaks my heart so there's nothing I can do about it. But man if I if I had one wish, you know, well, first of all, he wouldn't. He wouldn't be diabetic, but say How

Scott Benner 34:27
nice is that? Justin? She didn't wish for money. That's really cool.

Courtney 34:33
He knows me I would never wish for money to go

Scott Benner 34:38
I thought you're gonna say if I had one wish. What I do is I'd wish for three more wishes then my first wish would be that no matter what happened, I couldn't die before I made my second wish and my second wish had to come true. My second wish would be that I'd have unlimited wishes then my third wish would be for no more diabetes, because that's I have it worked out that way in my mind, Korea in case I ever meet a genie that comes out of a bottle. Yeah. I definitely know what I'm going to say because I figured I would get flustered in that moment and just ask for like, a Sunday or something like that, you know?

Courtney 35:08
Yeah, I think Justin knows that would be my, that would be my big wish, because it's just one of those things that even just a break. Gosh, I think it would be wonderful. But now that remind me, how old are your children? My daughter,

Scott Benner 35:23
Arden, who has diabetes is 15. And my son is a sophomore in college, he's going to turn 20 in a couple months.

Unknown Speaker 35:29
Okay, so picture this.

Courtney 35:33
Justin knows what he's supposed to do. And here's the thing, knowing what you're supposed to do, and always doing it, it may not always be the same thing to. And, and I think that's just real life and us being human beings. But imagine, you know, they go off to college, and well, we just happen to be in Minnesota and the college he goes to, is all the way down in Louisiana. And so he goes down there, which, okay, that's not a big deal. You know, like, he was ready, you know, to go and, and that was his path. That was great. But our insurance didn't have any affiliation with anything down in Louisiana. When we dropped him off, their only advice was, if he has any medical needs, he just needs to go to the emergency room. Just, we we had no doctor that we could align with no one that he could go to and it would be partially covered. Nothing.

Scott Benner 36:38
This is gonna be over before it starts. I just want to remind you to check out touched by type one at touched by type one.org. And don't forget to go check out that Contour. Next One blood glucose meter at Contour Next one.com Ford slash juicebox. That's it. Just a reminder. Right back to it. Let's find out what happened to Justin when he went away to college and learned how to be a chef by the way. Ooh, wait, it was that a spoiler? Huh? All right. Well, I don't remember now. So if it is, sorry, Justin's a chef. And if it's not, I should be paying closer attention.

And Justin, that's not that long ago, right. 20 years?

Justin 37:28
Those 90 Yeah. 9899 I guess? No. 98 Yeah. 98.

Courtney 37:35
And I remember us leaving Louisiana. And man, I cried. Not because we were leaving him per se. I was worried because let's be honest, kids are going to have fun, they might go out and you know, have a drink here or there, you know, kind of part of college life. And Gemini, we're not naive to think that he was going to you know, like, eat everything just the way you should and drink the things he should whatever. And we had no backup plan medically other than the emergency room. That that was just heart wrenching.

Scott Benner 38:21
How'd it go? Did you ever have to make an emergency trip to Louisiana from Minnesota?

Justin 38:28
Justin? Well, I went to the emergency room once, but they never came down for an emergency. Okay.

Scott Benner 38:35
Yeah, it wasn't so bad that like you were incapacitated, your mom had to jump on a plane and go back.

Justin 38:40
And I'll be honest, like the the I went into DK a, like my junior year, but it was spurned by like I got food poisoning. And it just Domino affected the whole thing. Right? Yep. kind of deal. And that was pretty rough. But yeah, that was

Scott Benner 38:59
a would you go to college to do. What are you trying to learn while you're there?

Justin 39:03
I'm a I got a Bachelor's in culinary arts. I'm a chef.

Scott Benner 39:07
Nice. You have your own restaurant.

Justin 39:10
I, uh, me and my girlfriend run an awesome underground restaurant in Minneapolis. It's very

Scott Benner 39:15
cool. So always in the same location, or do you pop up? Or how do you handle it?

Justin 39:20
Both. We kind of have a central location and then we do we do pop ups also? Okay.

Scott Benner 39:27
Wow, that's really weird is that? I bet she didn't think that's what he would do. Cory when you were looking at him when he was 10 years old. Hmm.

Courtney 39:34
Well, I didn't though he kept saying that. That's what he wanted to do. And he was he was really, really bright in school, but he was kind of bored. And because I also worked in the school system, I worked with one of his coordinators, and got him an apprenticeship to try culinary. And my thought truthfully was that he would go down. They'd Give him all of the grunt work. And he would realize really what a hard profession it is, and how difficult it is, and he would no way do it. And he went down there. They were really good to him. He got to put rings and desserts when people were proposing to their, you know, girlfriend, you got to do all these really wonderful things. And he loved it. And it became his career.

Scott Benner 40:26
Justin, How good was the chef show on Netflix that came out a couple months ago with Jon Favreau. And those guys,

Justin 40:34
I think it's great. Yeah. That's fun. I mean, what I like about it is like, you know, obviously Jon Favreau is not a chef. But um, but you can tell that when he learns stuff, like he learns it. And I think that's cool. Like, there's a lot of people on TV who like, aren't chefs, and I can tell that they're not chefs. And he, like, his knife skills are pretty good. And he doesn't have it down because he doesn't do it every day. But he cares right after he won. He cares about it. Yeah, yes.

Scott Benner 41:07
It's very interesting. It's more than a, he's not just making food. He's trying to he's trying to attain something. It's like watching someone try to teach themselves chess for their whole life. Like they're never gonna get to be a grandmaster. Right, but they keep trying. It's very, very injury. Yes. I remember, I remember the first day somebody showed me how to hold a knife correctly, like more back in your hand, and, you know, thumb and forefinger up on the blade and that sort of thing. And I was like, Yes. Didn't realize that at all. There we go. And absolute. So it's just little things to watch I get right. It's like, it's this guy that made a living, cooking and still does. Next to this guy who just really wishes he could be good at it. And it's like, I don't I found that delightful to watch. I really did.

Justin 41:49
Yeah, it's it's fun. And it's it's weird, like how, I mean, I've gone through, you know, my teens and 20s and whatnot. Like being in kitchens where you're around food constantly. And it's very different from the the young lady, the cake decorator who was on a couple months ago or Ellsberg? Yeah. Kelsey? Yes. Like, she kind of has a, quote unquote, nine to five. And she kind of does the same thing every day. And my days are completely bonkers and different. And it's so hard to like, get my basal rates down. Because of that is because

Scott Benner 42:29
your activity level and when you're being active changes. Hey, how. So this is really like, interesting, because if you spent your time with food when you were young, you're tasting it, too. So how is that? Like? How does that work when you're constantly around food, and sometimes you're not just eating it because you're hungry, you're eating it because you have to

Justin 42:53
the the activity usually cancels out anything your taste.

Scott Benner 43:00
Because you're not having a meal, you're having a couple of bites or a taste or a lick or something like that.

Justin 43:04
I would say if at most, it's usually like a link. It's not even like a full bite. Right?

Scott Benner 43:09
And you're hustling around, and it's hard work cooking. Like, I don't know how much Miguel, how many meals do you make? Do you first of all, you open seven days? And how many meals do you make a day?

Justin 43:18
Actually, we we we are only open, like two weekends a month.

Scott Benner 43:25
Okay.

Justin 43:27
And we do five plus courses? It's kind of fine dining, right? For eight people at a time.

Scott Benner 43:36
So Justin, you cook for 3032 people a month maybe? Or not even like 16 people about

Unknown Speaker 43:43
Yeah, about that.

Scott Benner 43:44
And you're making a living or is you know, living in your mom's basement? And I know I'm not.

Unknown Speaker 43:51
But we I pay

Unknown Speaker 43:52
the bills, right?

Scott Benner 43:55
Like, you better start feeding more people, man, man, but is

Justin 43:59
well, but that's the thing. It's underground. Like, what I'm doing isn't exactly the most onboard thing on the planet.

Scott Benner 44:07
Okay.

Justin 44:08
So I, I can't, and in our food culture here. Like if I were where you're at, I could probably do five days a week, because there's more people and more people probably interested. But here, there's a lot of people who say they're interested. But then when they say, you know, because I don't, I don't basically people go online and they reserve tickets, and then I send them the address the week, the week of the reservation they made that's fun. So that's a little we live in a very sort of Scandinavian society. And that's going to other people's houses is is an odd thing here. No kidding.

Scott Benner 44:49
Just that's really crazy that that works. I hope you scale that one day like and make because it's a really, it's a fun idea. The idea of like, you'll pop up somewhere you don't know where it's gonna be. There's gonna be this this really wonderful, you know, multi course meal that's going to be there and you kind of roll I think that sounds. Is that your idea? Or do you do that from somebody? Or would you? Oh,

Justin 45:09
well, I mean, the kind of underground pop up thing isn't my idea. But I think the method of my menus and things is kind of different because I don't I give out like menu teasers, but I don't like post whole menus, okay. And no menu, no menu gets repeated. That's where no menu item gets repeated. So you said

Scott Benner 45:33
that it's it's culturally odd in that areas just show up somewhere and eat but is it also about the food is are you cooking off culture?

Justin 45:44
Absolutely. I mean, yes, for the most part. Absolutely. And our last our last dinner was kind of Steakhouse themed. I wanted to it was kind of an homage to an idea I had a decade plus ago. But it was it was like steak. It was like steak house food that I wanted to turn on its head, I guess. So there was like a wedge salad had like a mosaic of slow roasted tomatoes and Gorgonzola in a romaine, romaine sherbet in smoked tomatoes and smoked sherry vinegar. And yeah, I mean, it was very on its head in a lot of ways, which I just, it's, it's creative and fun.

Scott Benner 46:29
Yeah, that's really amazing. I, I went to, you know, in high school, I just had technical school took baking for a number of years, and I really enjoyed it. I wasn't good at working in the world at a bakery. It was the getting up early in the morning thing. It just it threw me for a loop. I was like, I'm not starting work at 130 in the morning for the rest of my life. But I enjoy it enough that you know, I cook at home and I am the person who cooks here every day too. So there's an episode of the podcast that went up today that I edited after I made dinner last night like I made dinner, cleaned up from dinner, packed it away, ran upstairs, finished the podcast, but online.

Justin 47:08
See, and like I was talking about my basal rates, like, you know, you talk about stress and adrenaline, like affecting blood sugars. Yeah. I'm like my Friday night dinners are like the first run at the new menu. So like my stress and adrenaline are out there. They blow the Skyway, right? And my bazel rates are miniscule, okay, like they're a third, the third of what they normally are, when you're working like that, when I'm when I'm working. So I have like a, it's literally called Friday, like bazel rate profile. It says Friday, but I can't test that, because I won't have another Friday for two weeks. So I've got one for Saturday, that's a little higher and a little different. Because the nerves of how the food might turn out or might be plated or whatever, like I'm a little more comfortable with it. So they're higher. Yeah, but those are different than like my normal day, right? because they'd be way too low for like a normal day. That's all fun. So it's like, I'm always wrestling. I'm always wrestling with that. Like, we had a we had a dinner a Saturday night in like, late July, where I was playing food again. We have eight people at my dining room. And my girlfriend is I'm plating and she's feeding me m&ms. Because my blood sugar's at like 62 for three hours.

Scott Benner 48:42
She's just pushing m&ms through your lips while you're working.

Justin 48:46
Yes. And like, I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it above 70 for three, four hours, and then when the dinner was done, I crashed I crashed so hard. And I was like, I was just an emotional low mess. Because I was stressed out whatever. And, like, I facetimed my mom, like laughing and crying. Just because I was like my mom has to see how ridiculous everything is right now. And my mom's just like, staring at me in the in the phone going. Eat some food. Right? Eat some food, like being mom and I'm like just looking. I'm eating food. Just, you know, I was like, I was like having like a meltdown. But I was like, I was like 40

Scott Benner 49:29
Yeah, I think that while you were working the adrenaline was probably the only thing keeping your blood sugar at 70

Justin 49:36
probably Yeah, it was it was crazy. I mean, everything about it was was trying to try to knock me down. It was it was crazy, but but I can't I can't bazel test it. Because how do you bazel test something twice a month,

Scott Benner 49:49
right? How was the food though? Oh, it was awesome. Yeah, of course. That's great. Today Justin was taken to the hospital, but the meals were fancy. tastic more 11 Yeah, he seems happy even though he's dizzy. And

Justin 50:06
when it's fun because like, I have like my, my, my sugars now like, show up on my watch and whatever. And every once in a while we'll have a type one or parents of a type one, they come to a dinner and I'll be like, where are they at right now? Or where are you at right now? And I'll be like, I'm here. And they'll be like, Oh my god, you're doing all this work. And you're 102. And I'm like, yeah, this is great.

Scott Benner 50:31
And, and not to, but we're coming up on the end a little bit. I do want to understand the podcast has been helpful to you, because you're you're in you mentioned the the private discussion group on Facebook, which, by the way, is astounds me every day. 1700 people now, I watched a woman ask a question. This morning, I read through everybody's responses, and I just responded, I'm, like, super proud of everybody, this was a really amazing thread, the way like, not one misstep in the, in the, in the responses, like the, you know, it's sometimes online, you're like, you know, somebody will respond. And like three of the people you're thinking like, oh, they're just guessing, they don't know what they're talking about. Even this was like watching four or five brains come in, who shared a thought process. And they were thinking of different ideas and adding on valuable ways. And by the time the threads over the original poster, completely understood was comfortable, they literally fixed her problem. And I'm really proud of the people who listen to this podcast to go in there and do that. Not that you have to or anything like that. But there are people who are motivated to do it. And they they speak in the language of the podcast, and you alluded to that earlier, like, having like direction for the tools. Totally, I was hoping you could tell me a little bit about how that's changed things for you.

Justin 51:47
Well, it's, it's things I guess it's it's, well, a it was, you know, moving the the High Line down to 120. Like, I didn't, I didn't nudge mine down. Like, I think I listened to the two podcasts. And it was at 120. Like,

Scott Benner 52:06
from where where did it start?

Justin 52:08
Um, I, it was probably at at 180 or 200. Just because I know, like 220 is ridiculous. But um, but it was it was more of

Unknown Speaker 52:23
Don't

Justin 52:27
let me think it was the it was the old school idea that you're always going to get high after a meal.

Scott Benner 52:36
Like an unavoidable.

Justin 52:38
What like that, that I just thought was, that's, that's all. That's what everyone's always said, no one's ever said. No, you can make it not do that. You know what I mean? Even though in my brain in my brain, like the first time I got a CGM and a pump, I was like, Oh, I can figure this out. So it flatlines right. Like, that was the first thing in my brain. But then I was like, I can't figure that out. And I can't figure it out and be I don't have the time to figure it out.

Scott Benner 53:07
Well, I think that I do say that a lot. Yes. And I really think that a great deal of the credit to me figuring this out, is that I had the time to I sure it's important, you know,

Justin 53:18
but yeah, I was I was always like, oh, if I eat a carb, I can figure out exactly how much my blood sugar will go up. So then I can, I should be able to then reverse engineer that to know exactly how much insulin I need. And you know, that that's all what's going through my brain when I first get this stuff, but then it's it's still, you know, big spikes and this that and the other. And I guess I never looked at it kind of as going on the offensive versus being on the defensive.

Scott Benner 53:49
That's something it's just simple little ideas that that that paint a picture I have. Who did I it's funny name just like was it Frazier who Dolly knock for knockout flat core, you know, who did Muhammad Ali lay right out on his face? It was Joe Frazier.

Unknown Speaker 54:05
I think it's Joe Frazier. Yeah.

Scott Benner 54:07
So I use that old, I use that really famous photo when I speak in public. And I just put it up and I'm like, Look, you got to punch first, like you can't lay back. You know, you want to be the one dictating the pace, which is a very sports oriented theme. But you know, there's an idea of you don't show up on the field and like try to stop somebody from scoring, you show up on the field and try to run them over. And sure, again, at least then the pace is yours. What happens next is based off of what you did, and you're not blindly, like not just defending but defending against something you don't really understand what it is or what it's about to do. You know, it's like, you know,

Unknown Speaker 54:44
I think it's good, but even Scott,

Courtney 54:48
you having this podcast is such a blessing to so many people. I mean, think of how many people you affect in and People You don't even know of, you know, that are affected by by people who listen and follow you and, and so on that impact that you are having.

It has a ripple effect, you know,

far beyond what, what you can even imagine if one day makes a difference in someone's life. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:26
Huge. No, I know I can do that too much, Cory, because it makes me sad like that sad. I get like weepy. And hearing someone's mom say it just and it almost made me cry. Like when people when people come on, and like, Yo, man, the podcast helped me I'm like, right on, that's great. But I was like, now you're here. And I'm thinking of you as a little kid. And she's saying that and I'm like, Am I gonna cry on this podcast? Probably not. I'm gonna hold it together. But I really those are very kind words. And I really appreciate it. Cory, I have, intellectually, I understand what you said. And I try really hard not to think about it. I try to keep the podcast me talking to somebody else. And just imagine,

Courtney 56:04
you have to do the day to day thing. Yeah. But Justin will tell you, I'm very, I'm definitely an optimist, and always looking for what's within our control. There's things that you can't control, of course, but within that, what can you control. And so any bit of information that you can get, if you have other people that are kind hearted, and can help, you know, problem solve, all those kinds of voices, and all those kinds of pieces of input, just help people be more successful. And we didn't, you know, we just the bigger the community, and the more knowledge that's available, the more people are helped. And I think that's, that's the bottom line.

Scott Benner 56:57
At the end of the day. It's very cool. I was in Kansas City this past weekend speaking. And I did three sessions, I did a one session that was about just thinking differently than maybe you had been, you know, talk to about this so far. The second session was like a breakdown of the ideas, the podcast and the tools and sort of how to put them into practice. And then the third session, I did a q&a. And people just ask kind of real life questions from their, you know, they're their management. But when I was done, I went into a fourth session where I spoke to the kids that were there like teens. And, you know, I sat them, I get in, stand up on the stage, I've like, brought everybody into a couple of tables, and we sat together in a quiet room, you know, and I just told them, I'm like, you know, look, I, I realized that up until now, things are not going well for you, and everybody who you have to trust seems like they don't have the answer. And that's making you feel like they don't know. So my concern was that I was going to say something new to your parents today. They were going to come home excited. And then you were going to look at them ago. There's that old man again, trying to get me to do something, but he doesn't know what he's talking about, you know. So I said, I'm going to explain to you what I told them. And that was my goal for the talk. But midway through, kids had 12 1317 year old kids had paper out, they were taking notes. Like they were writing stuff down. They wanted, they wanted better for themselves. They just didn't believe it existed. And, and I think I made them believe that it existed. And I just felt very good about that when I left like the whole day was terrific, but like talking to those kids made me feel good.

Courtney 58:32
Yeah, that was like the icing on the

Scott Benner 58:34
cake. For sure. I did it made the flight home easier as well. But I'm exhausted and now sitting on the plane guy.

Courtney 58:43
Yeah, but you know, when you're mentally and physically exhausted, because you've done good things. That's a great feeling.

Scott Benner 58:50
It was I had a wonderful weekend, actually. And it was very fulfilling and, and I think I impacted people which to me is great, because I feel like if I move around the country in enough places and talk about stuff like this, then those people like you said Korea will start talking to each other. And then one day, I can stop doing this podcast. You know, when when, when people's lives don't start, you know, with expectations that are not great and no tools and things like that, that that really is illegal.

Courtney 59:18
So well. imperfect information is so powerful. Really,

Unknown Speaker 59:23
where do you listen to the show ever?

Unknown Speaker 59:25
I do not.

Scott Benner 59:28
Listen, we need to downloads for each part like a person is a download. Okay. never listened to Yeah.

Justin 59:35
Yeah, no, we definitely I'm, I think I'm wait. I'm way ahead of where she's at in the listening situation.

Scott Benner 59:42
That's really nice. Has it helped you talk to him by any chance?

Courtney 59:46
Um, I don't know, Justin. I, I feel. I mean, we've always been pretty close. And I feel like we can talk about anything and I think he knows at the end of the day, whatever it is. We always, always have his back and always want, I think just generally for him to be happy and healthy, and to be able to, you know, really pursue his dreams, whatever that is. And we say that for all of our kids, yeah. And we're fortunate because they're all grown. And honestly, we like we love hanging out with them.

Scott Benner 1:00:26
You know, it's a good time. Oh, I'm glad to hear that I, my kids might talk to me when I get older. Were you Corey, were you keeping up with management? Or is the podcast kind of moved you into this? Where the space is now?

Courtney 1:00:39
You mean, as far as

Scott Benner 1:00:41
I know, diabetes in general? Like, were you aware of everything that was going on? Or has a lot of

Courtney 1:00:47
it? You know, yeah, I kind of keep on top of things. Not as much as Justin does at this particular point. Because I, I, I have other pursuits that I follow as well. And so I, yeah, I'm always driven. I'm kind of a goal setter. And I always am setting new goals for myself and things that I'm doing. So just they'll tell, you know, for a while I was running quite a bit. And so like listening to your podcast with the gal who ran the marathon was interesting. Yeah, it was. So you know, just listening to those kinds of things, just because I've run a few marathons and done that kind of thing. And then I decided I wanted to try and get my black belt when I was 16 in karate, and so I've been working pretty diligently and I did that last December.

Justin 1:01:48
Okay, let me let me interrupt. Go ahead, Mike. She broke her frickin toe, in the middle of one of the tests for the black belt. And she had the instructor straighten the toe out, and she finished the test.

Scott Benner 1:02:05
That's amazing.

Courtney 1:02:07
I couldn't do. I couldn't do my kicks, it was sticking out. So it was my little toe. But it was sticking straight out to the side. So I call over to him because I tried to keep going and I couldn't. And Mike I broke my toe. And it comes over with the tape. And he thinks I just broke it. He doesn't realize that it's

Scott Benner 1:02:24
yaks.

Courtney 1:02:25
Yeah. And so he looks up at me, I'm like, just do it. Because I, I was not going to say I kind of second quitting. So I'm like, I, I'm not failing on my third and final screening towards black belt. So he quickly pulled it, taped it together. And I was about a third into my test. So I still had two thirds left. But

Scott Benner 1:02:48
yeah, how did it hurt? pull it straight?

Courtney 1:02:52
Well, you know, it was pretty quick. And I was kind of on adrenaline. So I think I just did a quick Yelp is what everyone tells me, right? I was so focused on, hurry up. And let me keep going because I didn't want to fail. And it's so hard. It's like two plus hours, as hard as you can go without any breaks. And like I said, you have to do three of those in order to then test for your black belt. And it was my third and final one. And if I would have failed, it would have been fine. I just would have had to start over again in January and do those three again. Yep. And I did not want to do that.

Scott Benner 1:03:32
So he'll too.

Courtney 1:03:34
Oh, yeah, it was. Yeah, it was not great. But I still had all of my pad kicks and my fighting yet to do on my exam. Gotcha. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:45
I guess Justin doesn't feel like he can quit anything.

Justin 1:03:51
No pressure. Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:52
No pressure. Well, I want to thank you guys. Yeah. Do it your back.

Scott Benner 1:03:56
Yeah. No, I appreciate this a lot. I this was really cool. This was Justin's idea to try to get three people on at the same time. And I was all worried about the sound and everything. And I think this went really well. So I I really appreciate this. And it was really cool to have the insight of, of two different people, you know, seeing a situation from two different angles. Hold on one second. My daughter is texting me.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:20
lunchtime, lunchtime. Hold on a second. I changed her. We changed something about her ratio. So I have to redo the math in my head real quick.

Scott Benner 1:04:35
There. I did the math. That was quick.

Courtney 1:04:38
This is real life.

Scott Benner 1:04:40
Yeah, we were making we were making adjustments to some of her her settings yesterday and so this is the first day of the have the new settings and and she was she was like I don't know how much it's supposed to do. And I was like, okay, so I just popped the number over. I'm waiting to see if she still sees it but her blood Sugar is Arden's blood sugar is 72 and she's gone to lunch now. Yeah, she's been nice. She's been right in that like 85 ish range.

Courtney 1:05:14
The How long have you had like a way to track her blood sugars. So you knew like when she was at school and

Scott Benner 1:05:21
how long it is since g4 with the share. So now when g4 first came out, it came out with a cradle. And so it was a nighttime thing. So she'd go to bed slide the g4 into a cradle, it would dock in the cradle and then that would somehow I forget how it would give it like access to the internet and then you had to share. But without that many years ago. Oh my gosh. Cory, you know, make me Google. I'm not sure. Second, hold on now. Damn it, we'll figure it out. I'm gonna let you know what I'll do. And this is kind of meta and creepy. I'm gonna go to my own website and see when because I remember reason why

Courtney 1:06:03
I'm asking is because you've had this timeframe where you've been able to track Yeah, I've had this very short window when I've been able to track all the rest of Justin's life. It's just one blind. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:06:16
Oh, no, I had that before. By the way. I had the Wow. Yeah, I had the oh my gosh, like staring at or constantly thinking, you know, is she hi she low? Okay, I wrote a blog article on November 9 2012. That was called first impressions dexcom Platinum g4 night so I guess about that long that she was diagnosed in 2007. So eight 910 i saw i went five years without without it as well. Or not great at it. By the way. A one c wise. I'm even looking now. Oh my gosh, look at this. I haven't looked this in a long time. Like there's a picture here. of her blood sugar being like 250 overnight and but a pretty stable line. And I'm probably like thinking back then. Whoo.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:04
Look at look at

Courtney 1:07:06
you are right. They did not want Justin day one C to get too low. Right? They absolutely didn't. And we would had some times where he would play hockey when he was little. He play hockey. And then we'd have to feed him a lot before we go to bed and he would wake up with the worst blood sugar in the middle of the night. Yeah. Screaming Yeah, I am. We cannot feed them enough.

Scott Benner 1:07:30
I just helped a family whose son plays ice hockey. And he's doing really well now. But we had to like it was tough. Like we had to throw a lot of the a lot of the ideas in the podcast needed to get thrown at it. And then you really had to look at it, watch it happen, figure it out. Because you know that this gentleman and then there's a fall off and there's so much exertion and then there's, you know, super hungry after the hockey game. And there's a lot of things going on there. It's a big mixed bag, for sure made me happy. My kid didn't play ice hockey when I was doing to be perfectly honest. But we figured it out. I mean, I think that's the important part is that it was in the end, when you look back at what happened to those people. It was timing and amount. They were just, they were using their insolent the wrong time. They're always chasing loads and chasing highs instead of being in front of them and not defending and blah, blah, blah, all that other stuff.

Courtney 1:08:25
We Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:08:26
yeah, I really I'm having a great time. But I have to go on. I'm out of time on this side. So I just really wanted to say thank you again, and I appreciate this. And Justin, congratulations on having a really unique business that that's really cool.

Justin 1:08:41
Yeah, totally at it. Anyone who's out there listening, come find us on the interwebs How did they first joke? It's a scared so mn comm scared so like music? s ch er Xeo and then calm and we've got a Facebook page and instagram and twitter if you're into Twitter, and yeah, it's pretty cool. I'm working on I'm working on Joe marcher. What was that?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:11
What was that URL again? One more time.

Justin 1:09:14
Oh, Sc, H, er, ZO, yo, and n.com.

Scott Benner 1:09:26
So the man can find you. All right, I'll figure it out.

Justin 1:09:32
Yeah, I my my girlfriend gets mad at me. She's like, why do you have to pick such up? Something people can't pronounce. I'm like, it's scared. So it's Italian. Like, she's like, yeah, the only people who know that are people who are into music. I'm like, fair enough. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:09:49
All right, Justin, I am going to ask you to email me that link because I don't seem to be able to get it right. But okay, but seriously, send it to me. I'd love to put it in the show notes and help people find you. Okay. Yeah, cool. Thank you. Absolutely. Cory. Justin, I hope you have a great day. Thank you very much for doing this.

Justin 1:10:06
Awesome. Thanks, Scott.

Courtney 1:10:07
Take care guys. Thank you for doing what you do. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:10:09
you're very kind. I appreciate it. Thank you. Huge thanks to Justin Cory for coming on the show and sharing their experience with Type One Diabetes. And thanks to the Contour Next One blood glucose meter and touched by type one for sponsoring the show. There are links in the show notes of your podcast player or at Juicebox podcast.com. If you'd like to find out more about the sponsors