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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends welcome to Episode 365 the Juicebox Podcast. Today is the next episode in the afterdark series. The afterdark series began back in October of 2019 and Episode 274, where we talked about drinking with Type One Diabetes. The next month, Episode 283. After Dark we did this show. And then in 2020, at Episode 305 talked about trauma and addiction in Episode 319 sex with Type One Diabetes from the female perspective. In Episode 336, of after dark, we talked about depression and self harm. And today, sex with Type One Diabetes from a male perspective. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. Listen today again, there's going to be a lot of adult language and themes. The curses, you know, like the actual curse words are beeped out. But still, there's a lot being spoken about here that is, you know, not exactly well hidden. So now's a good time to shut this off. If your kids are in the car or if your kids listen by themselves. Usually, you should be running through the house to stop them. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Omni pod, the tubeless insulin pump, get a free, no obligation demo of the Omni pod sent directly to your home today by going to my Omni pod.com forward slash Juicebox Podcast is also sponsored by dexcom, makers of the G six continuous glucose monitor, check out the Dexcom G six@dexcom.com. forward slash juice box. And if you enjoy the theme of today's show, you're going to enjoy the theme of today's ads. So when we talk about Dexcom and Omnipod later, you know there might be some beeps.

Eric 2:11
I'm Eric Dutcher, also known as chronic super human, and I'm a type one diabetic 19 years. And I'm married to my wife, Heather for seven years.

Scott Benner 2:23
Nice. 19 years. How old? Are you? No,

Unknown Speaker 2:25
I am 45.

Scott Benner 2:28
That's interesting. So you were diagnosed at like, 26?

Eric 2:32
Yeah, yeah, it was, uh, you know, I was running and gunning and a new career and everything seemed to be going okay. And then it wasn't?

Scott Benner 2:43
how did how did then it wasn't present itself.

Eric 2:47
I actually lost about 20 pounds, which I'm 155 160 today and on a five nine frame. So that was pretty significant. And, yeah, just doing the typical, frequent, urgent need to pee and the weight loss. And so it was pretty clear that it was diabetes, although I didn't know that at the time.

Scott Benner 3:14
Yeah, though. It's interesting. I was gonna say that you and I met recently in Dallas, for a brief minute, but I thought 20 pounds must have been Stark on you.

Eric 3:24
Yeah, it was quite a bit. Yeah, there's quite a bit, but it it. Like, it threw me for a little bit, it threw me into either low mood or depression for about 10 years. And really the biggest part of my journey, and my story is really coming on the other side of that depression and becoming who I am today, or actually more appropriately refining who I was before.

Scott Benner 3:48
So let's find out about that a little bit. We always assume, like people guess all the time, right? Like when's the best time to be diagnosed with diabetes? As if there's, you know, a best time but I think most people tend to agree that from a psychological standpoint, it's before you know, about a life without diabetes, is that what three year window a depression, just the sense of loss?

Eric 4:14
Yeah, you know, the sense of loss was a big part of it, but it was just this. You know, the, the weight of everything coming down, you know, you're sitting in that white room, the doctors come in, you stop really understanding what he's saying, and your world is completely changed. So there's the loss, and a lot of people don't grieve the loss. But I think even at younger ages, that loss, that burden of that loss just gets transferred to a parent instead of an adult. And so I always look at it as it's better that I was diagnosed as an adult because the impact is on me as opposed to transferred to my parents.

Scott Benner 4:58
So you had that thought like that. At least I'm old enough where they don't feel responsible for me.

Eric 5:03
Not initially. But as I've grown over the past, you know, decade that's, that's what I've come to, you know, when people ask me that question I say, Well, at least it's me and you know, it's within my control as opposed to affecting, you know, a parent, a parent really having to be that management. And that doesn't even account for what I do a lot with diabetes coaching today of when parents have now have young adults that are ready to launch. But the parents don't know how to do the launch, because the kids are, you know, seeking individuality. The parents are still nervous, you know, I've got adults that that still, you know, wake up every day and texts or parents, hey, I'm still alive, which is a really kind of hard place to live.

Scott Benner 5:54
Well, when you were 26, you didn't live at home, you were on your own.

Eric 5:59
I was Yeah.

Scott Benner 6:00
Did you have any real contact with your parents about diabetes? Or what was that like to be an adult but not so old? That you probably still didn't have a fairly? I would think closer relationship? And?

Eric 6:13
Yeah, well, it was. So it was really hard. I was in a really broken marriage at the time. My ex wife was, yeah, it was not a good situation. I've I've gone through therapy and all this stuff and realize that I was going through abuse and all this other things, as well as the day I called my parents to let them know that I had been diagnosed. They said, Yeah, well, we have news for you as well. Your dad's kidney cancer is back. So they were in the midst of a medical struggle. At the same time, I was in the midst of a new diagnosis. And so I'm sure they were way more supportive. Then I really kind of remember in hindsight, but it was it was a difficult time for the entire family. Yeah,

Scott Benner 7:07
they had their own specific thing going on. And oh, wow, jeez, this is why we have these conversations, because I didn't expect you to say, actually, any of what you just said.

Eric 7:20
Nor did I

Scott Benner 7:22
know, that's something I saw. I'm hearing that your first wife gave you diabetes. I hear what you're saying.

Eric 7:28
Well, you know that you're stressed that is a factor. But yeah,

Scott Benner 7:33
let's just blame her as we move forward. Okay.

Eric 7:38
Okay, so Wow. And I'm sorry, your father. How did that all go? I feel like I have to ask you, although kidney cancer doesn't sound like a good thing in a reoccurrence? Yeah, no, he went, he went through, basically the first tumor he had grew over a three year period, the second tumor that came back, grew the same size and six months. So it transferred into what's called spindle cell carcinoma, which is extremely aggressive. And he tried everything with the best doctors, bone marrow transplants. My parents approach was to exhaust all opportunities. And yeah, he he passed away at 53, which is always kind of a, you know, being someone with a health condition like I am today. And now being 45. There is a little bit of an underlying Healthwatch of Am I going to make it past 53? Even though it's not rational, right, but it's just it's life, and it can mess with your head. Sometimes. I would imagine I found myself wondering how much correlation there is in that or if it is just something that people think about like, Oh, my, my dad made it to this, you know, I'm trust trying to make it there. I wonder if that's really, you know, if the if the data actually supports it, there's anything to worry about there? Yeah, I don't I don't actually think that the data supports it. But it's definitely there's a I, I would imagine a lot of people go through that mental gymnastic hundred percent. We

Scott Benner 9:09
love to set arbitrary, like, milestones for ourselves in the future. It's people love to do that, you know?

Eric 9:18
Yeah, I would, I would maybe put a finer point on it. People love to put arbitrary limitations on themselves. And by thinking, hey, my dad only made it 53. Like, I'm already kind of saying, well, that's a hurdle. Yeah,

Scott Benner 9:31
I hear I did I do the exact opposite thing. I always look around and think like, you know, if I make it to this age, that's good. If I make it to this age, I always think of it as like these little races where you get like bonuses at the end. Like,

Eric 9:43
I love it. I

Scott Benner 9:44
don't I don't know exactly what like, you know, you know, in your 20s you don't meet very many people who have certain ailments. And so you think, well, if I, you know, there, I'll be clear for that. But now we got to just leap over that and there's, again, there's no real common sense to it at all. It's just you know, That's ridiculous. It really is our minds play a lot of a lot of interesting tricks on us. So, so you have been an adult, a sexually active adult, I have without diabetes. And and with it. And so and so Eric, you're on today because you were the You are the lone man, in a sea of women who's who step forward, you were the lone man who said, I will talk about what it's like to have sex with type one. And I appreciate that. Thank you very much. You're welcome. For whatever reason, dudes like sex, but they don't like talking about it. I think it's funny to talk about, so I'm good. Okay. So, I guess we should start in before for a second, like prior to type one. Did you have any? I don't know what to call it. Like, was there anything about you know, being intimate with another person that made you feel like, uncomfortable or, you know, self self? I don't know. Like, like, I big Did you were you were you just one of those people was like, Hey, leave the lights on. I'm good. Let's get going. Or were you under the blankets kind of guy like, how did you start off your endeavors?

Eric 11:12
Well, I'll start with this. Like, I had to warn my mom that I was going to be on a sex podcast, like, my grandfather was a Episcopalian priests. Sex wasn't really talked about, you know, the, the conversation with dad was like, do you know what it is? And I said, Yes. And he said, Great, and get out on the way. So sex was always kind of a taboo talk. topic. So I really, you know, that kind of led into the bedroom a little bit, too. It was, you know, I, I never really felt that comfortable in it. You know, early on in life, and really, at the time of diagnosis of pre diagnosis. I wasn't exactly. You know, I wasn't Casanova out there by any means. But I

Scott Benner 12:03
don't think any of us are, are we were at the whim of women who are nice enough to be kind enough to have sex with us. But it's funny, as you're talking, I realized, you're you're a handsome man, Eric, we've met and you're in good shape. And I'm not in you know what you would? I'm not in your shape. And I could probably have sex in the middle of the mall with 1000 people there if my mom was shopping at Macy's? I don't I don't know if that's just a if there's like, that's the monkey part of my brain like, I don't know exactly. But you'd be hard pressed to put me in a situation where I'd say, huh, no, no, thanks. Not now, that seems wrong here. Or they're not that I would you know what I'm saying? I'm over exaggerating about being a public, but I don't think there's a lot about there's not a lot about that holds me back ever. But as you're discussing it, I realized I didn't grow up in a house where people you know, shied away from it. Or, or, you know, nobody said to me, like, you know what it is right, that thing. Yeah, we don't have to say it. And then it's over. You know, like, it didn't work that way for me. But But okay, so you weren't exactly. You weren't exactly like swinging from a vine like Tarzan prior to diabetes?

Eric 13:15
No, no, no. And I, you know, I wasn't sexually active until college. And so yeah, it was, it was much later in life for me than some others. And, you know, just the fact that I reached out, you know, kind of is a really part of my transformation as well, whether it's through counseling, or really in communication with my wife, Heather, who's amazing. So even

Scott Benner 13:44
doing this was sort of you trying to be a little more aggressive and bolder for yourself?

Eric 13:50
Well, me doing this is really about Look, I run a PG Insta account, all my communication is very, it's it's very PG and maybe even G. And there is not a place where people really talk about especially males diabetes, and sex. And so I've had, you know, I met a guy out in California, just on a whim, I was like, Hey, I'm in town. Hey, you want to talk and we talked and one of the things we talked about was being diabetic men, and how it affects sex just because it's not out there. And there's not a lot of people like you that say, Hey, I'm going to do an after dark series so

Scott Benner 14:36
so what's the first concern like First of all, do you pump you in jack? Do you wear CGM? What do you have?

Eric 14:41
Yeah, so I wear a CGM and I wear a tubeless pump.

Scott Benner 14:46
Okay, so let's guess you have a dex commented on the pod. Right. Okay. And, and you are so what's the first thought you meet your now wife? I'm assuming when you had diabetes, you matter. Yes. Right. So, um, I use that math to figure that out with your age and your diagnosis date. I think everyone should be incredibly impressed. And so the first time you guys decide we're going to move forward here. She knows you have diabetes already. That's correct. Right? Was there any conversation around it was there? Hey, by the way, I'm, I've got some gear on, like, don't bump into my CGM, or what do you do? How do you do you talk about or do you just not talk about it?

Eric 15:28
Well, it at the very beginning, we didn't. But we actually, you know, we talk about diabetes in relation to sex a fair amount, because we sex is part of a healthy relationship. I mean, you know, when I think about it, like sex is what connects you to a partner, it releases oxytocin, it's the same sort of thing that's released in a child that breastfeeding with the mom and the mom gets from that process. So there is a bonding process part of sex, so we talk about sex quite a bit. But early on, like it was just, you know, when something came up, then we would talk about it. But now that the doors are open, and most of the stuff has come up over the course of seven years that we can proactively have those conversations. So did you feel self conscious for her seeing your your gear? You know, it's funny, I said, gear now I think people think I mean, penis, but I mean, like your CGM in your in your pump. Like, did you? Did you feel self conscious The first time you took your clothes off? or How did it make you feel? Do you remember? I'm more self conscious and kind of goofy about my other gear? My diabetes gear doesn't, you know, bother me too much. There's, it's, it is what it is. And it's not me, versus my gear is me. Right. So like, if she doesn't like the diabetes equipment, then it's the diabetes equipments. I believe it's not that I'm ugly.

Scott Benner 17:12
either. So yeah, like so you wouldn't have taken it personally, if, if she like stared a little too long at something or, or something like that?

Eric 17:19
No, no, but I will say that, you know, one of the things that I do think about is your diabetes gear should be in certain spots, and I specifically don't put it in certain spots, so it doesn't get into the way during sex. And I actually I'm very happy that I'm tubeless. Because I don't have to be like, Hey, I'm disconnecting my pump. If you know what I mean.

Scott Benner 17:44
Bow Chicka. Wow, here we come. So Alright, let me try to guess here, right. I've had sex before. I wouldn't want something to be on my hips in the back. If we were talking about missionary. If she was on top, you wouldn't maybe one on your thighs. Am I getting? Am I close? Am I figuring this out? Or how does it go?

Eric 18:08
Yeah, yeah, no, it's, it's true. And then there's certain parts of like, there's optimal placement on your stomach and there's sub optimal placement on your stomach. And then really, it's just a lot of it is her being aware of where it is before we're intimate. So like, where we're touchy feely people, we're always hugging multiple times a day, and so she's pretty aware of where my devices are already before sex is initiated.

Scott Benner 18:38
Now, have you ever gone? This is gonna sound silly, but have you ever said to yourself like in your head? I'd love to go from reverse cowgirl to doggy here but I can't because my CGM is blank or does that not come into your head in the moment?

Eric 18:53
I know typically what happens is something gets bumped and then you go Okay, was that a? Was that a fatal bump or not a fatal bump to the pump and you know, if it if it comes off in the process, no big deal. It's just like anything else, you just reattach it later.

Scott Benner 19:10
So the the passion part of it sort of overtakes the concern part of it like sort of if you were to knock a lamp over, you wouldn't stop and go we have to pick the lamp up now like that kind of a thing?

Eric 19:20
No, I think usually what it honestly it's something like that typically happens and it causes a giggle or something and then you get you get going down the road again right?

Scott Benner 19:30
Do you worry about being low when you're like do you worry about like the exertion making you low?

Eric 19:41
Yeah, so I what guys need to be thinking about a lot and you know, not having the the view into women diabetics. There's also an effect there as well as your blood sugar dictates how Thick your blood is. And because our sex organs are filled through engagement with blood, if you've got thin blood, guess what doesn't happen? erections are really hard to maintain. Although sometimes, like, you know, you finish and you know, you're like, Well, I was 56 How did that happen? You know, but, you know, when you're high, like, you're more likely to not last as long, it's going to feel, you're going to feel more pressure, you're going to feel kind of achy. You may feel sleepy and slow down in the process. When you're low, you know, you, you could have problems, you know, keeping an erection and like I, I remember, there was a time we were, you know, we were active and, and she was manually stimulating, and like, I had nothing and think about, it's not just the low blood sugar that's making it hard to get up. But on top of that, because you're low, you've got this emotional catalyst going on in your brain. And so like, I just broke down in tears, and like, I had a bawling fit on the side of the bed. And it was like, wow, okay. That's kind of not what we planned. When we came back to the bedroom.

Scott Benner 21:28
I gotta tell you something, I assume the women listening are like, Well, nothing sexier than a crying guy with a taffy for a while we're trying to have sex.

Eric 21:37
Yeah, no. And I think like, I think it devolved into, like, you know, something about my father dying and all this other stuff. So like,

Scott Benner 21:45
it was, like, you were so low, you got emotional that that like thing that we all see with our kids or, you know, you know, adults where you get so low that you just really get emotional out of nowhere.

Eric 21:56
Yes, I was a blubbering baby. And and, you know, it took some time to recover.

Scott Benner 22:03
Did she just like back away and pull the blanket up over top of your office? Let's go.

Eric 22:10
Now, I mean, in that moment, I mean, she knew something was wrong, right? I can, it was a it was a, you know, there was a moment that, you know, there are moments that you can recover. And there's moments that you can just and yeah, and what we've learned is like, when you get and you want to have sex, and it just doesn't happen. It's okay if you don't recover. But it's always good for me to let her know, hey, look, I know this didn't happen, right? But, man, if if you wake up in the middle of night, let's try this again or not, you know, just say, yeah, it wasn't you. But like having that communication that she didn't do anything wrong, or, you know, her communicating to me that, hey, it's okay. It didn't work this time. That's an important element. Because when when, when people go and have sex, and oftentimes before it, guys are really good at this, you start building a sex script in your head, hey, this is what sex is going to look like. But as we know, like, you know, when diabetics, write scripts, like diabetes, like come along, and like just crumple up the script, and chew it up and laugh in your face when you're doing it, and

Scott Benner 23:28
so that's interesting. So you just feel like, Guys, a lot of people men are like, I'm gonna do this for five minutes, then I'm moving to this for 13 strokes. And then I'm going to flip it like, do you think like, because I'm, I realized, as you're saying that, like, I have sex the way I live, like, I just, I move in a direction until the other direction seems like, right, I don't think things through like that. That's interesting.

Eric 23:51
Yeah, it's not it's not as specific as that. But it is, it is a clinical thing. And when you go into sex therapy and whatnot, a lot of times there will be discussions around Well, what is your typical sex script? Or what would your ideal sex script be? So it is, like, it's not a, hey, I'm going to do this for five minutes. And she's going to respond this way. And then I'm going to do this for five minutes. It's a more of a general of this is, it's like if you were going to run a race, this is how I'm going to approach the race. And this is how I think it's going to go typically, there's something in that involved especially in you know, in a committed relationship, you tend to form typical sets, grips that work better

Unknown Speaker 24:44
for you. It's interesting.

Scott Benner 24:45
So I have two questions. Before we get too far away. You said two things that made me think of some stuff so before we get too far away from your thought, I want to understand with a high blood sugar, you're saying that no matter how, you know, amazing Sex is that feeling of being high, you can't overpower that. And I come from a place that with that question, I've, I've had sex while I'm ill before, like sick, and you don't feel sick while you're having sex. But that doesn't. That's you can't overcome that high blood sugar feeling, huh? Like endorphins in your fury, it can't mask that.

Eric 25:23
Oh, it I mean, it definitely can mask it. But you can't. You can't not be overcome. Yeah, you can't overcome the physical effects of it. And like, if. So we actually set a thing of like, if I'm over 200, we typically try not to initiate sex, just because you don't know where it's going to go between the start of sex and intersex and over 200, like I could end up at like 300 or higher. And, you know, I've had those moments where you know, you're orgasming and you're over 300. And your heart is just, you can just feel it pushing that honey thick blood through your blood vessels and going, Man, that's not good. This isn't how I want to go out. Right, exactly. And, and being 45. You know, I'm not, you know, who knows what other complications could be around the corner. So you're trying

Scott Benner 26:19
to you also try not to put too much tax on your body in general. Exactly. That's it, which is already being taxed by the HUD, the high blood sugar already. Right? Do you think if you went down in that moment from a heart attack, would you ever were with all to be like, like, clean me up before they get here? Or do you do? What do you think your last thought would be on your way over? Like, ah, I knew this was gonna happen.

Eric 26:42
I don't know what my wife would take care of me for sure. Heather, Heather would know, she would chew

Scott Benner 26:48
up the situation, it would look like it would look like you guys were taking Family Photos when 911 got there. I always hope at my death that I have a minute to realize I'm dying. Like I don't want it to be painful. But I want to be able to cognitively like understand that I'm leaving. Because I want to know the I want to be able to think finally I'm in arrest. Like that's what I want to be. I want to like consciously be aware of like, Oh, I'm not gonna be tired tomorrow. This is fantastic. Yeah, but so. And then I have I mean, this seriously, it's gonna sound like a joke. But when you're low on the lower side, like say your blood sugar's 85. And you're, you know, you're vigorously having sex. I keep saying having sex, I want to say, but I have I keep saying, and so. And do you ever use that as an excuse to not be the more active person in a position? Do you ever say Yo, you got to jump up on top here? Cuz I think I could hold on to this 85 blood sugar? If I'm not the one thrusting? Have you ever. But do you get can you get lazy and use your blood sugar as an excuse? I think is my question.

Eric 27:54
So this is this is the difference between a diabetic and a non diabetic in that conversation, you actually are more likely to be in a better position to become more active when you're low. Because, you know, if, if I'm, if I've got thin blood sugar, and it's hard to maintain a rec interaction, it's gonna be hard in any position. So when more aggressive than Well, no, what I'll do is is so you switch up what you're doing. And let's say I've taken a glucose tab, which you know, in game glucose tabs is no shame, right? You get that glucose tab in and then you focus on manual stimulation of her or oral stimulation of glucose tabs dissolved, maybe there's and then you've got time to get your blood sugar back up without losing the mood. And actually, it's, it's kind of a good thing, because, you know, as all guys know it, there's more time typically involved for a female to enjoy ourselves. So I hear what you're saying takes forever.

Scott Benner 29:05
Now, I'm, I'm gonna ask you a question that I think it's possible, you might say yes to do you ever incorporate the glucose into the event?

Unknown Speaker 29:15
Um,

Scott Benner 29:16
I know I'm pleased apologize to your wife. If the answer's yes. Because now I feel like I'm asking a question about her too, but she's never, like, hit a tablet somewhere and been like, yo, go get that. Nothing like that.

Eric 29:28
No, no. You know, we could be more interesting, I guess and keep honey by the bedside and like, you know, yeah, put honey on the spot. Yeah.

Scott Benner 29:41
I think people are gonna listen to these after dark episodes and realize that the guy that's teaching them how to use insulin

Eric 29:48
as a problem, it's a no, it's a new side is gone, right?

Scott Benner 29:53
No, I'll tell you. I mean, this, um, if I'm lucky about one thing and my ability to talk often Cough, it's that I think a lot of people are limited when they're speaking to the ideas that they actually firmly believe or, or hold to be true. My brain can go find examples of things that I've never considered before in my entire life. And it happens, like in a split second, so I can say something ridiculous. And most people, you know, will listen and think, Oh, well, he must, um, you know, he must have these thoughts all the time, but I trust me, I say stuff, I do not mean in any meaningful way. Like, they just popped into my head. And I just thought, like, I wonder if maybe his wife could start stuffing like tablets around and being like, yo, you know, piggy go route that out? You'll be okay. And?

Eric 30:40
Yeah, no, I mean, luckily, luckily for most diabetics, like the, the, you know, there's sugar hidden in all parts of the house, and most especially by the bed, and so depending on where you are, you typically have access nearby. And, you know, it doesn't have to be me always being aware of the situation, you know, she can ask a question, Hey, are you low?

Or, you know, how are you feeling?

Scott Benner 31:11
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How hard is it to be aware of your blood sugar while you're having sex?

Eric 35:41
Um, you know, there, there are times that I'm completely unaware. Like there are times that like I said, you, you you're done having sex and below, you realize, wow, I was really low during that time period. And I just didn't realize that. And for whatever reason, the physical response hadn't happened yet. Or I'm high and you know, didn't know that, either. Because you're right. You know, sex is about passion and passion covers up a lot in the moment. So what that means, though, is oftentimes you'll spike higher or lower than you would normally realize. You know, I don't particularly like to have a watch on while I'm having sex, but like, if I do, then, you know, Dexcom can tell me where I am. And I don't always like I I think it's important that I don't let it interfere with our sex life too much. So of course, I generally know where I am from a blood sugar level, but it's not like I I think that's one of the advantages of being tubeless. And all this other stuff is I don't actually have to physically disconnect anything. You don't start going up automatically because you're losing your bazel Right, right. It's not like I'm going to run a race and I have to play in 30 minutes in advance before I have sex I we can you know, we can let the moment take us.

Scott Benner 37:10
I allude to that in some of my Omni pod ads. I wonder if people hear it when I'm like, you don't have to disconnect you know, for whatever you're doing. And I think in this episode, I'm just gonna say it the ad and bleep bleep it out. That's a tagline. I'm sure the pod wants to know, the Omni pod tubeless insulin pump. You don't have to take it off.

Unknown Speaker 37:30
Yeah, really, really

Scott Benner 37:32
tell you what, they might sell a couple of that.

Eric 37:36
Seriously, but like, I I'm lucky. I should point this out. You know, I am lucky in that. You know, my wife has no problem with my devices. Yeah. My ex wife actually, like part of the the control that was delivered by her. I wasn't on the on the pod and I wasn't on a CGM. And that technology, or at least a pump was available. And I was constantly being told, well, you don't want something connected to your body all the time. Like, you wouldn't want that. And what she was saying

Scott Benner 38:17
is I don't want you to where that right. Exactly.

Eric 38:19
And and because of the the mind side of it. And so I don't know the situation of every diabetic out there. And there may be some fear that somebody's not going to accept your method of insulin delivery and blood sugar control. And what I think you know, everybody needs to hear is it is your insulin method and your delivery, choice and your control choice. And you need to be vocal about why you've made that choice. And either the person you're with accepts it or doesn't accept it. But if they don't accept it, that probably a signal of a bigger problem. Did

Scott Benner 39:01
you believe it when she was saying it? Did you think Yeah, I don't want that. Or were you? Were you conscious of the fact that she was subliminally telling you she didn't want it?

Eric 39:10
In the moment? And in the moment, I believe that there's a there's a master manipulator kind of effect to what she had. That led to the the control that was extremely effective. Yeah. Was she Catholic?

Scott Benner 39:29
No. I just think that there's a Yeah. So I've met some Catholics that are really good at the guilt thing. So

Unknown Speaker 39:37
Oh, right.

Scott Benner 39:41
Imagine she was Jewish. Yeah. But there's the two religions that are really on top of guilt. So

Eric 39:47
well, like Yeah, and that's, I mean, look it that was a really dark time, but that was a part of an aspect of it. Like you know, my wife and I, Heather, we have a we have a like group Really free life together, were very open and encouraging. And everything that we do we talk about things in a way like she, she's a change from being a CPA to a licensed professional counselor, she's an intern right now, all based on her ability to communicate and understand relationships. And that's really what inspired me to come on to this is because if you can take the lessons learn from Heather in our relationship, whether you're in a committed relationship or not, when it comes to sex, like you can have a really normal and beautiful sex life, even as a diabetic,

Scott Benner 40:48
I think to it harkens back to something I said on the podcast a number of times, but you need to be with the right person, and a person who can accept that you have a glucose monitor or you know, insulin pump, or that you need insulin or whatever, that's not the right person. You know, you don't want to live an entire life in a battle where you're being manipulated about your your diabetes of all things. That's just, that's terrible. You know, and so I would try to look at it from a more positive aspect, which is, you have an extra sensor on you, that tells you if the person you're with is bad or not, you know what I mean? Like, like, because sometimes it's hard to tell, but this, this thing about the about diabetes, it's hard for them to mask it, if they, if they're not accepting of it, it's easy to see. And so that means it's easy for you to see that you need to be with somebody different, you know, or be treated like, like you don't deserve. And and you don't want to get I think Eric can attest this, you don't want to get caught in a way where you're being treated like that, because it's difficult to break out of because there's still I'm assuming there's other things about the person you like. And so you're ignoring your health to hold on to the parts you do. Like, is that

Eric 42:00
right? Yeah, and I and I think it becomes even more important when you think about it from a sex perspective, because sex is an accelerator, no matter like how much you you know, believe in one might nightstands or whatever sex is ultimately an accelerator in any sort of relationship. And it's physiological, like that whole oxytocin connection, like you will be forever connected to anyone that you've ever had sex with. Or if you're just in a casual relationship, and then you go have sex, like, it's automatically made that more of a thing. And so if you're, if you're already experiencing like, negative talk from somebody about your diabetes, like you need to have the conversation before you need to have sex, just because otherwise, like you're setting yourself up for a bad situation with clinging or being caught in a deeper relationship with someone who is never going to accept you as a diabetic or never accept the it's a much more complicated life to live with someone with diabetes. And families that have kids that are you know, that become diagnosed, they don't have that choice. But we as diabetics, or those that come into a relationship with a diabetic, they get to choose whether or not they want to be with a diabetic, then you want someone that's okay, making that choice. Yeah.

Scott Benner 43:27
And if you've listened to any number of the interviews on this show, when you find you hear it when people find a partner, that is right, it's it's easy. And the diabetes is never an impediment in that situation. You know, now, if you're diagnosed, you know, if you're diagnosed after you're coupled to somebody, and you find out Oh, geez, look, I guess we found their line, this is too much for them. And I don't know what to do. They're like, you know, I've been married to somebody for 15 years, and I'm diagnosed with type one, and then I realized this person is not supportive of this. Like, is that something you end a relationship over? Like? Or is it something you eat? You know, I mean, like, it's, I guess there's a lot of different scenarios where it comes up, but I think the important base of it is, is to, you know, get into a situation where people are respectful of you. I mean, I don't know that that's any different from any other part of relationship, honestly.

Eric 44:18
No, and I think that's where like, I think you hit on it. It's not any different than any part of a relationship, which means we need to use the tools that are available to us and like, therapy is great. And, you know, whether it's therapy because I've now been diagnosed and I need relationship, honestly, in my coaching, like it doesn't even have to be a licensed professional counselor. You can do Relationship Coaching, that you know, doesn't get into deeper mental health issues, but just is coaching on how to talk and educate couples on how to talk about diversity. You know, learning things like asking the question of how are you feeling as, as opposed to where is your blood sugar, you know, things like that, that really help. The same thing can go for sex, like people think about Oh, like a relationship is going into trouble I'm going to have. So now I want to go into therapy? Well, the time to have therapy is really before things go into trouble, like, you know, and there's nothing wrong with having sex therapy, as well as, you know, relationship therapy, and sometimes it can come from the same source.

Scott Benner 45:37
What do you what do you find? thinking specifically about like sex therapy? Like, what do you think? Is most people's blockade? Is it just that it was made taboo to them? Is that like, the worst thing I could do to my kid is make sex taboo to them? I guess, is my question.

Eric 45:56
It's one of the biggest, because when you think about it, sex is a form of communication. And ultimately, it's, it can be a very elaborate or an elaborate dance. And the more elaborate the dance, the more you need better communication. And feeling that shame is going to lead to not talking about things. So like, I don't want to give the impression that we're in the bedroom. And we're always like, Well, do you want me to do this here? Or do this? There is no, like, there's a time for having that communication. But if you don't communicate, like, who knows, I could have something that I'm interpreting that I'm doing that feels great for her. And she's like, yeah, that feels awful. Or it might feel good at, you know, this time, but this other time, like, don't do that. Because that affecting things if you can't have those conversations like that, because of shame, or the privacy of diabetes, or because one party feels like, you know, guy may come in and say like, this is my sex grip, and it feels good to me. Or a girl, same thing. These are the only ways that that are going to work for me if you don't have those conversations, like you're never going to have a fulfilling sex life.

Scott Benner 47:23
On the other side. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, if if you've been letting somebody twist your nipple for 30 years, and you don't like it, you know, because they're like, this must be great, right? You're like, I don't know why you would think that. But you know, like, it's not, or if you want that, and nobody would think to do it, the same thing, you have to reach out, maybe the partner is just like that. I don't want to, like, do that. That doesn't make it wouldn't feel good to me. And that really is, by the way, a human thing. We all think that what we like, sex or not sex is what everyone likes. Like, if it works for you, it just makes sense. It's, it's why we push our politics on each other, or, you know, like anything like, you know, like, this makes sense to me. So it must make sense to everybody. And that's just not the case. Yeah, I mean,

Eric 48:11
yeah, that the perfect example is, and it fits here is like the love languages, you know, if I, if my love language is touch, I'm gonna touch my wife a whole lot more, but if her love language is words, like I need to be using more words and less time, right?

Scott Benner 48:26
Yeah, the one person can be tactile one person could be more, you know, intimacy based with, you know, like you said, with, with language, it's just you and you're never gonna know if you don't ask because there's no way that you've unless, I mean, listen, those of you who are lucky, who are just like, you know, animals who bumped into another animal, like good for you, you know, because that must just be like a cage fight. I would assume you just go ahead and start throwing hands until it's over. And everybody's like, yeah, it was perfect. Because I have a question about, it occurs to me that when I'm done having sex, I am frequently hungry. And is it difficult to Pre-Bolus for a post coital meal?

Eric 49:06
Not so much in that there is a there's a natural effect of you're going to have to be higher sensitivity.

Scott Benner 49:19
Maybe you don't need as much of a Pre-Bolus because you've have all that activity. Correct. Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Eric 49:26
Yeah. So I think like, I think that's one of the things we forget about the most in as diabetes is insulin sensitivity because, you know, even with all the algorithms stuff, you know, loop and whatnot, even bazel iq, whatever it is, insulin sensitivity is determined to be flat unless you tell it's different. But great thing about sex is your insulin sensitivity goes up afterwards. So if you're hungry afterwards, like it takes less insulin or you know, you're less likely to spike because and frankly, sex is worth a spike. Yeah, put that on a T shirt.

Scott Benner 50:05
Is Bolus worthy? Is that what you're saying? Another episode with a lot of beeps I said something in an episode I recorded yesterday, that's just gonna be like nine seconds of beep just no one's gonna know what God said. Fill in the blanks for yourself, you decide what's Bolus worthy? It'll look, there you go, it'll work out for you. Um, I have, are there any things that your wife has ever said to you that you think would be valuable for other people to know, going into a relationship, you know, question she's had or things you've seen her kind of maybe like, pause about, like, the stuff that people could be looking for?

Unknown Speaker 50:53
Um,

Eric 50:55
I'm trying to understand the question

Scott Benner 50:57
like, Has she ever done something, or reacted in a certain way that would make you think like, Oh, this must be common for a lot of people like something I could know, like, might happen, so I could be ready for it or something that you could have done differently, that cause confusion for her or anything like that?

Eric 51:16
Um, I honestly, I think it's more about myself. There is a there's a natural, I guess, fear of performance for males. And, you know, this, the whole expectation of the difference between how long it takes to get a man aroused versus a woman aroused. And so there's already a lot of pressure to perform that you can feel as a man, add diabetes to it. And there is a tendency for me to hold that in, as opposed to share it with my wife. And the pressure that you feel. Yes, right. Not to this? Well, yes. Yeah. So we're like, you know, oh, look, it's you know, tonight's not gonna be online, you know, honey, but like, I still want to be together. Yeah. And I, you know, she's been good about encouraging that communication. Yeah, there's a lot of things that whether it's diabetic, or just sex related, you know, you know, reminder that, you know, sometimes sex can just be physical, we both may not be like, in that romantic place, but we need to physically Connect. And so we have, you know, there's an opportunity to have sex outweigh, like, there's just a lot in a relationship that I guess, if you're married to a diabetic male, chances are that male is not going to be comfortable about talking about it.

And boys are silly,

Scott Benner 53:03
they really don't talk much. And by the way, you just said bang one out in the nicest way I've ever heard anyone say it my entire life.

Unknown Speaker 53:11
I'm married to a therapist. And I say

Scott Benner 53:14
that in the way that a man or a woman could be comfortable with, you could have said that in front of a total stranger, they would have been like, Oh, I know what he means. He means, you know, sometimes you just need to quit real quick. And you put you really were good at that. You know, it's funny, I don't want to brag, but I will for a second. I realized that I your your answer about like time, like the pressure to perform, like when you said pressure to perform. It didn't strike me the way you meant it at first. Because that is just never been an issue for me. Like you could say to me, or let's if we were together, and you said to me, Scott, I want to have sex and I but I only wanted the last four minutes. I'm your man. And if you said to me, Scott, I want to have sex tonight. But I wanted to go 45 minutes, whatever, I'll do that too. Like, I don't have. I can't, it doesn't matter to me. I can do it for as long as you want to do it. And that sounds like it's not even a humble brag. It sounds like bragging. But it's not. It's just what I found in my life. But I realized that that's just specific to me and not to everybody. Like there's no amount of time I couldn't accommodate. As far as I know. I've never I've never gone I've never gone for like you know, you know, three hours or something like that. I'm not saying that. But I'm just saying that within the in the, in the confines of reasonability where a woman would not be like, Oh, god, I'm, you know, this is not pleasurable anymore. Like, you know, I mean, whatever that space of time is, I'm okay. And, but yeah,

Eric 54:37
and I think what what's interesting is, is, in general, comparison is the thief of joy. And we're constantly bombarded with these images of what sex should be. You know what sex is on TV. or, or, you know, pornography, pornographic images that are put out there, right and whatnot and you know, that can put a lot of pressure on anyone, whether you're in a committed relationship or early on in a relationship of what you think the other person thinks you should be able to do from a performance perspective. And there are some people that are like, Hey, I'm gonna go get mine, and I don't really care what happens to the other person. Yeah, there are other people that, you know, a lot of their arousal is derived by the arousal of their partner. And so that becomes a very important part of sex, in, in their relationship. And so, I think there's a lot of angles to it. And I think that's why if, if anything else that I can take, you know, that everybody could take from this conversation is one, remember the physical side of blood thickness, and all of this, but in to communicate, but, but really three, like, don't be afraid to, if you're not communicating in the same lanes with your partner on sex, to get somebody that can help guide you in those conversations, because regardless of whether it's four minutes or 45 minutes, and you know, that can mean a whole lot of things, you could have, you know, two hours of foreplay, and two minutes of of actual penetration, or you could have, like, you know, much longer penetration, depending on what the circumstances are. But it's all sex, whether it's manual simulation, oral simulation, or whatever. And I think that's, I think what you have to do is realize that being diabetic, you've just got to add a little bit more versatility into it and change the script during during the act. Just to make sure that that y'all are connecting in a way that that's fulfilling.

Scott Benner 56:58
Yeah, that's, that's good advice early as I can. Um, I do think that were you saying a minute ago that the access to pornography has given people unreasonable expectations for what sex should be?

Eric 57:14
I think it's, there's a lot of it's and it's not just pornography, but it's it's also just bravado. And or it's really the simple act of comparison is like, if I'm always comparison, it's like, so I, you know, Don, Mattel's running across the US as a type one diabetic. Like, last year, he ran across Texas, I ran for days with them, I ran 110 miles with the guy for four days. And afterwards, I've like spent weeks going, Yeah, but he ran 150. And I'm like, That's stupid. Like, I ran 110 miles, I gotta own that like the same thing. And in insects, like, if my wife feels really good about our sex life, and I make her feel really good, then all of the other comparisons don't matter. And I think what happens is when we see things like pornography, or we see what's going on TV, or we hear people talk about like, I, you know, people get here, you say, hey, like, I could go for 45 minutes, if that makes the website. Yeah. And and it's really, that's not the point. Because, honestly, I'm sure there's some women be like, hey, please do not make it 45 Minute. Oh, yeah, like

Scott Benner 58:37
100%. Yeah. And that, and that's what I was saying to it doesn't need to be that long. It could be it could be whatever, whatever is fulfilling, I mean, my honest interpretation of, of a sexual relationship. I've always just sort of thought that if I concentrate on my partner's pleasure, and they're concentrating on mine, then we both make out, okay, do not need me like, it's like, if you're not going in very, like greedily, I think and thinking about, like, this is what I want out of this, and I'm gonna make sure this thing happens for me, then, you know, everyone should, you know, I'm assuming have a reasonable time, you know, and get and get what they're looking for out of it. Whether it be emotional or physical. You know, we're just recreational, I

Eric 59:21
guess. Yeah. No, that's that's a great way to look at it. There's a there's a great blogger, Dr. Kelly Flanagan that says, he's got a book called marriages for losers. And that's the whole the whole concept there is like if you're focused on giving your partner what they need, as opposed to winning an argument or winning the sex race, whatever it is, if you're focusing on selflessly giving, then especially in sex, then you're gonna have a great sex life.

Scott Benner 59:54
Yeah, it should give back to like I think that's a life lesson. Honestly. It's you know, The other day while we were doing this show that I, that I think the way I talk about insulin really is just the way I think about life. It's it's just common sense. And you know it, there's a weird overlap there that I'm still discovering. But I realized that I didn't come up with some amazing, you know, thing about insulin out of the clear blue, it's just how I think about things, and it happens to work with diabetes management. And I think that there's a way to live that, you know, works with a lot of things. And I think being selfless is one of them, like, just that idea of, if I'm a person who's helping the people around me, and they're helping me, then, you know, we get to think about other people, which is incredibly fulfilling. And, and, and it fills you up, you know, I don't have a, I'm not a religious person, by any stretch of the imagination, but I feel you know, I don't know if you'd call it spiritually or emotionally, like, I feel full like that. And I, it's from this podcast, you know, with in regards to diabetes. And in my personal life, I just came to the conclusion A long time ago, I've been a stay at home dad for a really long time. But I just came to the conclusion A long time ago that my kids had things they needed, I was the one they were looking to, for them, and that I had to find meaning in doing those things. Like, if you can't look at vacuuming the carpet is like this thing that's like, I can't believe I'm the one that has to vacuum the carpet, you have to think of it as I'm providing a clean home for my children, you know, and they'll grow up one day thinking that having a clean home is important. And they'll you know, they'll do the same and I don't know, there's just there has to be, there has to be something in those things that that fills you up, you can't always be looking to climb a mountain or, you know, bang as many girls as you can or like, that's just like a weird way to like live your life, I think. And yeah, you know,

Eric 1:01:57
no, there's, there's beauty in what you're offering. And I think that's the thing is, is if it's important to find beauty in what you're offering, but it's also important that your partner finds beauty in what you're offering. And I think, you know, it's very easy to come out and distance from things that don't feel good. Like if your sex life is not working well, whether it's because you've been newly diagnosed, or you still haven't figured out diabetes and sex, like the natural inclination is to distance. But the real answer to the problem is, is to actually have more sex because it's just like, any other thing. You do, like if, if you're vacuuming and you've only vacuumed once, like watching my you know, kids vacuum for the first time, it's like, what are you doing? Like, you're not even playing to the carpet, right? But like after, over time you learn how to vacu Well, it's the same thing with sex like, and your body. There's actual just like diabetes and exercise, diabetes and sex. There's a physical adet adaptation where your body starts to go, Oh, hey, I know what this is. It's bound to bump over time. And like, I know how to adjust. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:03:19
no, I hear. That sounds cool. All right. Listen, this was fun. I appreciate you doing this. Dude.

Eric 1:03:26
Did we not say anything that you thought, Oh, we should definitely say, while we're here, uh, just for dudes, you know, because there is something out there around diabetes and rectal dysfunction and fears around that. And I think it's just important to know, you know, there's studies out there that say anywhere from 35 to 75% of type ones will ultimately experience EDI and the type ones are 50%. More likely. It's a good thing to just have conversations with your wife about it, instead of living in that fear alone. Just I think with anything else, whatever your fear is, don't hold it to yourself, share it with your spouse so that she can join you in there. And y'all can plan together for what life looks like at that time.

Scott Benner 1:04:25
Oh, that's a great idea. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate you doing this in the middle of the coronavirus, lockdown.

Eric 1:04:32
Yes. seems perfect time to talk about sex when we're supposed to be physically distancing.

Scott Benner 1:04:38
Yes. Physically distancing nine months from now. They're gonna be 8 billion babies flying out of vaginas all over the world. Yeah. I mean, how long can you stay in your house before you just like I think people who hate each other are gonna start.

Eric 1:04:56
Honestly, though, like there is a certain amount of like, hey, if you Last a diabetic, like if my wife gets sick, like, you know, how much sex should we be having right now? Like, it's actually a thing like a conversation, you know,

Scott Benner 1:05:11
I'm gonna tell you a story, Eric that I didn't think would ever come up on this podcast ever. But when I was like 20 years old, I think I was dating this girl, she was lovely. And I got really sick. I had, I had mono. So I was like, shot, like, I could barely move. I felt like I was dying. And this girl was an angel, she would come over every day, to have sex with me to make me feel better. I have to tell you, that I would live an entire day almost incapable of moving. I was so sick. And for the time she was there, I felt really great. And, and I would say to her, like the first time like, you can't get this. She's like, we'll just keep our faces away from our each other's faces. And I was like, Oh, this girl's applier. She really was terrific. I did not end up married to her just so everyone doesn't think that was my wife and that story, but but she was really like, it was funny. Like she was young. And you know, she didn't have you know, like, you mean, we were young. We didn't have like incredibly deep relationship. And I felt I think that the things she felt like she had to offer me to help me feel better was her body and that's what she did. And I was really grateful at the time. I still think about it. 30 years later is one of the more selfless things anyone's ever done. But having said that, don't get the Coronavirus because you want to have sex? Because this is more serious than mano I? Yes, yes. Yes. But yeah, it gets it's a it's a scary thing, right? Like, because we're talking about, you know, droplets, you know, from your mouth. And then I'm assuming that again, it's funny I talked about I talked about Coronavirus with a doctor the other day he's gonna come back on I guess I'm gonna have to ask him about how a transfer during sex would work. And get and get a real question real answer out of that, because this one with you will go up after that one. So sure, you know, people look back one day and go Oh, I remember hearing that. So you'll know that that question came up here with Eric. And I hope all of you will still listen after hearing just a tiny bit about how I have sex. Figured out like oh, I'm done with this show. Or this was really cool of you to do man. He talked about some stuff that I don't imagine a lot of people would want to talk about and actually from responses from men. There were not a lot of men who want to talk about it. So you did a you did a really nice thing here for a lot of people. So thank you very much.

Eric 1:07:46
Thank you Scott. I appreciate the forum. Absolutely.

Scott Benner 1:07:52
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