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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Episode 373 of the Juicebox Podcast. You may disagree, and you can let me know if you do. But for my money, this is the best episode of the podcast that I've ever recorded, and it gave me a great idea. I'll tell you more in a second. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making changes to your health care plan. On today's show, I'll be speaking with Jordan, she's a type one who originally wanted to come on the show to talk about how she

Unknown Speaker 0:35
eats.

Scott Benner 0:38
But through some confusion, I didn't do the recording the first time and it just it was a mess sock spending theme in the episode. Anyway, Jordan gets on. And she was nervous. So I was trying to make her feel not nervous. And I by mistake, I think I recorded what it might be very well the funniest episode of this podcast ever. But we then eventually do get to how Jordan eats. And later I found myself thinking, I'd like to know how everyone eats. So this is the first in a series called how we eat. This one's not really an official how we eat, because it will you'll see it goes in a lot of directions. But future how we eat will be more focused on different people's diets. Jordan happens to be a vegan. And that's why this episode is called how we eat vegan cat. Well, that's not completely why it's called that. But you'll see this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter and touched by type one, you can go to touched by type one.org to find out about all the wonderful things they're doing for people living with Type One Diabetes touched by type one.org. And the Contour Next One blood glucose meter is my daughter's meter. It is a fantastic meter. It is the gold standard in meters. It has amazing test strips that you can like, you know, touch blood, get it wrong, go back and touch it again without wasting the test strip and still get an accurate reading. It's small and easy to hold and has a beautiful bright light for those nighttime blood sugar checks. And in general, I just really love it. Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box. Go check it out. I'm going to tell you two things. And then we'll get started. Okay. Okay. The first thing is after I ghosted you last time we were supposed to do this. I thought I wonder if she'll do it back to me just to be funny.

Jordan 2:54
The thought crossed my mind. But

Scott Benner 2:56
so that's what did it actually did you think I'm gonna do it back to him?

Jordan 3:00
No.

Unknown Speaker 3:02
Well, I thought

Jordan 3:05
last night when I was driving home, I remembered that I had this today. And I was like, Oh, I wonder what would happen if I just had forgotten.

Scott Benner 3:14
But what would I have said Really? I mean, there wouldn't have been anything I could do. Right? So are we gonna say your name? Yeah. Okay. So Jordan. Jordan was supposed to be on the show, you know, a couple weeks ago. And I, we can't but was it it was a holiday right was Martin Luther King Day? Yeah. So that day threw me off. And I just was a day behind in my head. So while Jordan was up, I'm guessing pretty early in the morning. Where are you at? Washington State. So it's nine o'clock here right now. It's six where you are? Yes. So while Jordan was up very early in the morning to record a podcast, I was cleaning my house and doing laundry. Completely able to record a podcast if I wanted to just there was no reason to because I thought it was a different day that it was. So when she was logging on this morning. I thought wow, what a nice person she actually is here. very well may have just been like ups. Now, here's the second thing. It's all gonna make you feel worthwhile.

Unknown Speaker 4:21
What?

Scott Benner 4:21
During the time you were supposed to record I had a piece of software do an automatic update that I didn't realize it did. And it changed a setting like deep down setting that you would not have noticed on top okay. Because of that. I recorded three episodes that were not usable.

Unknown Speaker 4:46
Oh, no.

Scott Benner 4:48
And had I not ghosted you by mistake. You would have been the fourth.

Jordan 4:54
Well, it all worked out. I guess. That's how I'm trying to look at this.

Scott Benner 4:59
Now We can get rolling and then you have to go off to your job where you let me think I remember because here's the funny thing after this happened, I just I was like Jordan call me so he must have spent like 20 minutes on the phone with me just like very ham fisted Lee trying to make you laugh and apologizing. I just was like, let me give her something for the day. I probably just wasted your time. You're like, yeah, wish you could have just left me alone, but I don't know what happened. How did you feel after I? Okay, well, anyway, let's start with this. What's your name?

Jordan 5:28
My name is Jordan. Do you

Scott Benner 5:31
have diabetes? Jordan?

Jordan 5:32
I do. Yes.

Scott Benner 5:34
And did I leave you hanging to record the podcast on your birthday?

Unknown Speaker 5:38
You absolutely did. I won't. Wouldn't you have been on the day? We were recording?

Jordan 5:43
26

Scott Benner 5:44
Happy birthday. Thank you very well. Okay. How old were you when you're diagnosed? I was

Jordan 5:51
eight.

Scott Benner 5:52
Okay. I got some quick math going. I feel what is going on here. Mother. I know what this is. wife's at home working? Oh, it's not my. My quick master. That was 18 years ago. But then I had to check myself 1922 and I'm right on.

Jordan 6:12
Here. It'll be teen years in August.

Scott Benner 6:15
Do you think like your diabetes as an adult now? Maybe it'll go off on its own and take care of itself?

Jordan 6:19
Maybe I'm excited for it to turn 21. So I can take it out for a beer and have a little chat?

Scott Benner 6:25
What will you tell it when you take it out for that beer?

Jordan 6:29
Well, we'll reminisce a little bit on some good and bad times. But Alright, let's just talk about things.

Scott Benner 6:36
I think that's fair. Why don't we practice? Wait, first of all, are you on for any reason? Is there something you want to say?

Jordan 6:45
Eventually, maybe we'll talk about that diet a little bit. Ah, gosh, I'm kind of and open to talk about whatever. Alright, well,

Scott Benner 6:53
let's do this. Since we hadn't planned for it. If your diabetes was a person, what would you sit down and tell it?

Unknown Speaker 7:02
Did it ruin your childhood? Did it

Scott Benner 7:04
drive away a potential dating prospect? Has it made your room smell weird? But is it done?

Jordan 7:12
it? Honestly I think it's kind of made me who I am today. I I I don't know my life without diabetes. But I feel like I'm more health conscious. And just

I don't know, the person I am. Because of it.

Scott Benner 7:29
It helped to shape you. Yeah, in good ways, bad ways or in a collection of ways.

Jordan 7:35
Probably both.

Scott Benner 7:38
Has anything good and bad? Well, we'll start with a good because you're a positive person. And you're in that upper Midwest, Upper West Coast kind of an area. So I'm thinking I mean, I'd six in the morning, but you're high as a kite right now. Is that right? Jordan? You've been smoking for 1020 hours at this point. Is that right?

Jordan 7:58
Well think that Yeah,

Scott Benner 8:00
you don't you don't have to lie, Jordan. I'm trying to point out to people that you're like, one of the nicer people I've ever met. I don't imagine that's true of you. Not that you couldn't be a nice person and be completely blazed. I'm just saying that I don't think you are. And you're not right. What's this? What's the riskiest thing you've done in your entire life?

Jordan 8:21
riskiest, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 8:22
like something with no idea.

Jordan 8:26
I'm pretty boring.

Scott Benner 8:28
Probably don't admit that upfront in the podcast. Okay. Because people are be like, well, Jordan said she was boring. So I just like I bailed after a couple of minutes.

Jordan 8:36
Not listening anymore. Up gave up already.

Scott Benner 8:42
Looks like I'm talking to Arden about how to Bolus for a muffin. 40 more.

Unknown Speaker 8:51
There. Sorry.

Scott Benner 8:54
She doesn't feel well today. She's got like a, there's like sort of, I don't know about like six o'clock last night. And she suddenly like for a half a second like spiked like this tiny little fever like 99 for like, is that right? 99 is a fever. Do I mean nine? I think that's what I mean. She had a tiny feet, which is like up one point. And and then she's just as like, My throat is scratchy. And and we were like, Alright, and we let her sleep like we let her lay in our bed last night to try to get comfortable. And then she fell asleep. And I said to Kelly I'm like, how are we going to get her out of here? Jake we couldn't wake her up. She's like a lead weight at this point. She's like a real person. Now you know what I mean? So like, like we could wake up I'm like, okay, so I spent my evening overnight sleeping in the eight and a half inches between the edge of the bed and that and on my side. And then Kelly did the same thing while Arden was like all spread out in the middle of

Jordan 9:52
it bring back some memories

Scott Benner 9:54
brought back memories of my back not feeling well. And so. So she gets up in the morning. She's like, I've got to go School. She's such an oddly, she's an interesting person when it comes to school because that happened to me as a child, I would have just said, Well, this is an obviously appropriate reason for me not to go to school today. Kelly would have gone to school. If you know somebody had recently shot an arrow into her skull, and she was still functioning and Arden's like a weird mix between the two Arden toxic a game about not caring about school. But then everything she does indicates that she cares about it a lot. It's a it's it's interesting. She's got my like, she's got the way I talk about it and the way Kelly feels about it. It's very interesting because they don't go together in any way.

Jordan 10:41
Yeah,

Scott Benner 10:42
imagine the person ranting and raving that they hate bologna sandwiches while they have a bologna sandwich in each hand and are eating it voraciously. That's are they talking about? Alright, have I loosened you up yet? Are you nervous? What's going on here?

Jordan 10:56
I'm a little nervous, but I'll get over it. Okay,

Scott Benner 10:58
so let's we'll let's talk about that for a second. Are you just nervous about this specifically? Or would you be nervous in any scenario like this?

Jordan 11:07
Any scenario? Okay.

Scott Benner 11:09
All right. So let's find out a little more about yourself. Then, when you were diagnosed at what I'm calling eight years old, whether it's true or not. Let's just go with it. Were your parents coupled in a traditional way

Unknown Speaker 11:19
at that moment? Yes. Did

Scott Benner 11:22
the did your care fall to one of them or to you? Or was it a group effort?

Jordan 11:27
And it was a group effort. My dad worked and my mom was at home more. So she did more the immediate caretaking, but my dad would take me to a lot of my appointments and stuff. But I pretty early on, I decided that I wanted to start doing my own injections. And I think it was only like, maybe six months in before I was like, Okay, I want to do this on my own. Cool. And and you started with injections.

Scott Benner 11:55
Yes. How long did you do MDI?

Jordan 11:59
until I was

12? I think I was in middle school. Before I decided I wanted a pump

Scott Benner 12:07
kind of pump. So what kind of pump was available then? Which ones were on the market? Do you remember which ones you joined up with?

Jordan 12:15
I had the Animus

Unknown Speaker 12:17
the ping?

Scott Benner 12:19
Is that right? It was called the Animus ping?

Jordan 12:21
I don't think it was the ping back then. No, not even the packet? No, I think it was before that.

Scott Benner 12:27
Any chance they call it the Pong? Probably not right. It's so what made you want to go to a pump back then.

Jordan 12:36
I think

just hearing about it. And people kept saying it was the way to go. And the best way to manage so I decided to give it a try. But leading up to that I was like, I don't want anything on my body. I don't want to deal with that. So, um,

Scott Benner 12:52
as Jerry Seinfeld would say, Who are these people? Were they teachers, other people you knew had type one your doctors who was kind of directing you,

Jordan 13:02
doctors and my parents a little bit. I know they wanted me to just kind of do what I wanted to do and was comfortable doing but deep down, they knew that I would be better with a pump.

Scott Benner 13:14
That's a parenting secret for anybody who is younger, doesn't have kids yet you know exactly what you need your kids to do. And then you some people act like it's up to them. And then they behind the scenes are puppet mastering everything. And some people just come out and say it and some people just hope that the kids figure it out. But you figured it out. So that's actually or like not that not to say that a pump is a necessary thing. Just that it came to you that you would like to do it. Are you wearing a glucose monitor right now?

Jordan 13:44
I am Yes. Which do you have? The dexcom?

Scott Benner 13:48
Is it the G six? It is? Is it the one that's available@dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox. Podcast? I just say about No, I'm just kidding. So when did you go to a glucose monitor?

Jordan 14:02
Oh, man, I have had one off and on but really consistently for the last like year and a half.

Scott Benner 14:08
Okay, so did you start with the G for the G five?

Jordan 14:13
thing think? Yeah, I started with the chief for that at one point. I had a Medtronic pump. So I had that GM

Scott Benner 14:22
is that when you get a Medtronic pump they kind of I don't want to say force but they force their CGM audio, right. Like it's

Jordan 14:29
Yeah,

Scott Benner 14:30
it's like here. It's a package ticket like that. Okay, so but you went to, uh, how long were you with Medtronic?

Jordan 14:41
Three or four years? I've been all over the place. I've also had Omni pod. Look at

Scott Benner 14:45
you for a shy person. You're not that shy about things are you know, so you've used every conceivable insulin pump. Which one are you using right now?

Jordan 14:54
I'm not using one right now.

Unknown Speaker 14:57
I don't know why I asked. I should have just assumed that. All right.

Scott Benner 15:01
What was your favorite pump that used?

Jordan 15:05
Probably, honestly, Medtronic, okay, because I didn't have the best experience with Omni pod. Okay? It was like five or six years ago, and it just kept alarming on me. It was in malfunctioning, so I got off of it when you're

Unknown Speaker 15:24
getting like occlusions

Jordan 15:27
Yeah, I would just I would put one on and like, within a few hours, it would start alarming, and it was just on my abdomen. So it wasn't even like I was putting it in weird places. So I was in college at the time, and I got to the point where I just get so anxious about it going to class or something that it would start alarming and middle class and I would thought it was gonna have to change it and, and so listen, and want to be stuck without insulin

Scott Benner 15:54
course. And then so those are the Medtronic, just soldiered on for you.

Jordan 16:00
Yeah, it just worked and was pretty much hassle free.

Scott Benner 16:05
And then, but now you're not using a pump at all? What led you back to MDI

Jordan 16:12
and just being annoyed having something on me? So I pretty much came full circle.

Scott Benner 16:20
Jordan, Are you married?

Jordan 16:21
Hey, poor guy.

Scott Benner 16:22
I see what's happening here.

Jordan 16:26
Yeah, he's a trooper. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 16:27
I would imagine this.

Scott Benner 16:32
Has the word fickle ever been used about you in your presence?

Jordan 16:37
Not that I know. No. So you don't like maybe behind my back, Jordan, tell me

Scott Benner 16:41
why it is. You're 26. But you're talking about life like you're 53.

Jordan 16:48
Maybe diabetes maybe grew up fast.

Scott Benner 16:52
But no, seriously, you're just very like measured. And you're like, I tried that. I didn't like it. I tried that. It gave me a problem. This one didn't give me a problem. But I'm not using it anymore. Anyway. And you just you're rolling through things, are you? So you, you know, we talked earlier about for a brief second about Arden being inconsistent with how she does things, but you are too. You're like, like, on your face. You're like I'm you know, I'm kind of quiet and a little shy. And everything except you're not shy about switching pumps or the ways you get insulin, or jumping around from your cgms. Do you see that? These two things seem incongruent.

Jordan 17:33
Yeah, I guess, okay. I'm also here to talk about that stuff. I don't just like bring it up with strangers and start talking about it. Know,

Scott Benner 17:41
when that'd be something I didn't think you did. But no, I meant like just just that you're, maybe I'm wrong. But when I think of someone who's sort of quiet reserved, I think of them as getting something it works. And they just stick with it. And, and they're trying to keep things simple, and from being a problem. And maybe that's me projecting. And also, not being a quiet person. I'm guessing a little bit too, but it just it struck me as it's like when I'm interviewing people, there's a little voice in the back of my head that kind of knows where things are going. Don't me like people don't surprise me that often when they speak. And and but it's only because I've been doing this for a while but you have never so far in 17 minutes. You haven't said one thing after another thing that I was like, I knew she was gonna say that. So

Jordan 18:31
I was trying to keep it interesting.

Scott Benner 18:33
I fit part of me feels like you're lying. Just Just like to think of what I feel like. And I'm going to say the opposite. And then I'll go back to me and then I'll but I know you're not but it's just very Okay, so how long

Jordan 18:45
you've been married? Three years. Interesting. Now.

Scott Benner 18:51
College person yourself. You said yes. Right. Yes. And you have a degree and I know you're out in the world doing something. Do you talk about what you do? Or is that something you're keeping private?

Jordan 18:59
Yeah, I can talk about it.

I work in cardiac and pulmonary rehab.

Scott Benner 19:05
So you force unhealthy people to run on a treadmill. Is that right? Jordan?

Jordan 19:10
Yes.

Scott Benner 19:12
Yes, you're a sadist?

Jordan 19:14
I don't make them come from. What

Scott Benner 19:16
do they do they just kind of hop up go for a little walk. You walk and you do what?

Jordan 19:21
Help them? Well, I prescribe exercise intensities, basically. So we'll do the treadmill or seated machines and some strength training. You

Scott Benner 19:32
ever go too far and kill one of them? Just tell you don't have to say but just tap on the microphone once if it's happened. No, I haven't. You have not excellent Good for you, by the way and if you have good for you not admitting it. So you're just Are you trying to get people back? I guess some people back to healthy some people. You're just trying to find a, I guess a balance of life style for them. And they're all they're all rehabbing from some sort of a heart issue.

Jordan 20:00
In cardiac rehab they are and just giving them lifestyle changes they can make to decrease the risk of furthering their heart disease. And then for pulmonary rehab, it's just disease management and trying to help them breathe a little bit easier. How do

Scott Benner 20:21
you find that work? Do you enjoy it?

Jordan 20:23
I do. Yeah. Built a lot of relationships through it. Nice.

Scott Benner 20:27
What did you take in college that led you to this?

Jordan 20:30
my undergrad degree is in kinesiology. Just basically just movement of the body. And then my graduate degree is in clinical exercise physiology.

Scott Benner 20:44
No kidding. This pay pretty well. This is why this guy latched on to you at an early age.

Jordan 20:51
He's not at

Scott Benner 20:52
home play video games while you're helping people or is he

Jordan 20:55
know he is in school right now himself?

Scott Benner 20:58
getting a good degree, I'd like to see a little equal share of the burden coming up, you know, yeah,

Jordan 21:03
yeah. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 21:04
How long are you gonna let this go until he's, you know, pulling his own weight?

Jordan 21:09
Oh, well, we got four years of school left. So

Scott Benner 21:11
four years, becoming a lawyer, Doctor.

Jordan 21:18
Doctor of naturopathic medicine.

Scott Benner 21:22
Not that I don't find that interesting. But I just realized that there should be a Netflix comedy called lawyer doctor.

Unknown Speaker 21:29
During the day,

Scott Benner 21:30
yeah. Right. And he does. So while he's fixing you, he's also setting up a lawsuit against himself. Right? On the weekends, he's a volunteer fireman. What do you think of this?

Jordan 21:43
It could work. But

Scott Benner 21:45
You're damn right. It could. I think it's a limited run situation, though. I think maybe after four hours, you would get tired of it. But I think for a couple of hours, it would be right there. If that ever comes up on any television show. I'm using this recording as a reason to sue somebody.

Jordan 22:02
You can ask the lawyer doctor to help you. I couldn't

Scott Benner 22:05
be either of those things. The idea of going to school for that long baffles my mind. But I do know my wife right now, if I said to her, hey, we've got all the money in the world. You don't have to work anymore. she'd take a day and a half off. And then she find some degree to go get. She would love to go she loves being in school. It's very strange. Did you enjoy it? Does your husband let's call them making air quotes because I think he might just be a squatter. But is your Does your husband enjoy it? Oh,

Jordan 22:34
he does. Yeah, he's a good student.

Scott Benner 22:37
Alright, so are you guys. Do you like that part of the country? You think you'll stay there?

Jordan 22:41
Yeah, definitely.

Scott Benner 22:43
I think you there's probably only a few places where an energy as laid back as yours, Jordan Bulwark. I feel like have you ever been to like a place that's moving like 1000 miles an hour? Like you've ever driven on the highway in Los Angeles or walked across? Yeah, you're

Jordan 22:57
terrifying. It's kind of cool. Cuz everyone's got it's bumper to bumper traffic, but everyone's going like 80 miles an hour.

Scott Benner 23:05
Makes you feel like you're in a NASCAR race. Yeah, you're like, I wonder which one of these people

Unknown Speaker 23:09
is gonna stop?

Scott Benner 23:13
Now, when that happens, do you get a little excited? Like, like, what happens to you when you get flipped out? Is it just this measure Jordan that I'm talking to you now? Or do you have like another gear?

Jordan 23:28
I get excited. But not. I don't start screaming or like it.

Scott Benner 23:34
I wish you guys hear anything. I wish everyone listening could see. Like, I can see a picture of Jordan right here. And Jordan, you're a beautiful person, you know, way does your picture match your like your speech pattern? I don't know another way to put it. Like, it's just very interesting. I don't know. I don't even know how to explain it to anybody. Just the person I'm looking at. It's not the person I'm talking to in my mind. Were you always a quiet child?

Jordan 24:04
I think so. I'm the youngest. So

Scott Benner 24:07
Oh, you were just lucky to be alive.

Jordan 24:10
I see. No, my parents paid a lot of attention to me because of diabetes.

Scott Benner 24:17
Okay, so all right. Let's dig in here a little bit. Maybe we'll find it here. psychologically. Do you think that's the only reason your parents paid attention to? Yeah, no. So you think they love you for other reasons? Absolutely. Are there any of those other reasons that you're the best of the siblings?

Jordan 24:35
I wouldn't say Oh, do you

Scott Benner 24:36
remember when a girl came on and did say that? How much fun that was? Do you have any idea how many emails I got?

Jordan 24:42
I do remember that. For any of the emails from her siblings?

Scott Benner 24:46
No. Although that would have been terrific. They were just one other people like Yo, I love that girl when she said that she was the best kid. Anyway, how many siblings do you have? So there's three of you total. Yes, my math is late today. I don't know if you've noticed or not. I have had plenty of sleep plenty of sleep. Although my sleep was on eight inches of a mattress, I still did get my hours. And two, how much older Are they the new?

Jordan 25:17
My brother is about a little less than a year and a half older. And my sister is nine years older than me.

Scott Benner 25:23
Oh, there's a story here.

Jordan 25:26
She's, she's my half sister, but we grew up together. So

Scott Benner 25:30
they would find her on the street. One of them made them now let's guess. half sister dad side. Yes. Mm hmm. See how I know people?

Unknown Speaker 25:39
It's okay.

Scott Benner 25:41
All right. So

Jordan 25:42
the only predictable thing you'll

Scott Benner 25:45
feel naturally I forgotten one thing, right yet. I'm just like, Alright, so, dad, your dad made a baby with some lady. And then we don't know what happened to her. It's not important. And then he bumped into your mom, I'm gonna say the disk attack in the 60s. Right. Right. And then they became fast friends, because of their love of Molly. And then they got married. And then they wait a minute, how old was your, your oldest sister when your parents got married? You know?

Jordan 26:20
Let's say like,

Scott Benner 26:21
five, five. And then they had to wait four more years until they made the brother. Yeah, then he wasn't too much of a trouble. three more years. Sorry.

Jordan 26:30
While you're

Scott Benner 26:33
cooking, you're adding in the cooking time for the baby, which I can't do on the fly. Just so you know. And then they didn't dislike him very much. And so they made another one. Yeah, and now we're done. And it's that you think he's gonna stay with your mom or you think you'll run out and like go roll up again on some other lady and start over?

Jordan 26:53
I think they're in it for the long haul.

Scott Benner 26:56
How old are your parents? Like just if they're in their 50s? Or 60s 50s 50s was trying to imagine like a 65 year old guy like I'm out of here. gonna talk to Betsy? She seems sweet. Do it again. God, all right. Um, you on their insurance, though? Because you have a job. You have your own. Were you on their insurance right up until you started working? Making old people walk on treadmills.

Jordan 27:24
I was on it until this last year, because I turned 26. So you, you thought like cool

Scott Benner 27:30
advantage of that? Yeah. Can you talk about how helpful that was while you were in college?

Jordan 27:39
Well, I mean, it was really helpful. I don't I don't know how helpful it would have. What am I trying to say? If I just I don't know any different?

Unknown Speaker 27:52
What would have happened if you try.

Jordan 27:55
If I was in college, and I wasn't on their insurance, I would have had to pay for my insurance somehow and probably wouldn't have gotten as good of coverage and not being able to have a pump for CGM or anything. So do you think you help me with that?

Scott Benner 28:09
Yeah. Do you think you would have had to turn yourself out? If that happened? Is that a phrase you don't know? Would you have had to hook is what I'm saying? Do you think you would? Would you had to become some sort of a part time prostitute? Just before it's

Jordan 28:24
possible? I mean that diabetes is expensive. So

Scott Benner 28:28
do you think that happens on college campuses?

Jordan 28:31
I'm sure it does. Yeah, I

Scott Benner 28:34
think the younger girls are probably not as a hardened at that age. Right? That can't be how it goes. But that would be a sad story. By the way, if, if you were on here to tell us that you hooked your way through college to pay for your insulin pump. But by the way, if let me just say this for a second, if anyone listening hooked their way through college to pay for their diabetes supplies, please immediately send me a note and asked to be on the podcast. Thank you very much. Jordan, I at this point want to ask you with all sincerity. Has your heart rate ever gone over 85? If you put yourself on that treadmill, could you get your heart rate up?

Jordan 29:14
I can Yeah.

Scott Benner 29:16
You're still nervous, aren't you? A little bit. I have tried really hard for you. Service. I don't know what to do at this point.

Unknown Speaker 29:24
Well, what would make you just keep going?

Unknown Speaker 29:29
I just thought of something to say I'm not gonna say

Scott Benner 29:39
I apologize. Excuse me. Okay. All right, Jordan, let's so you had no real affinity for any of your insulin pumps. You switch back to MDI because you're tired of being attached to stuff. Although you don't seem to be worried about being attached to this guy, he's not paying any bills. That seems to be okay with you. I'm just joking. I'm sure he's a lovely person. I'm so sorry. Yes, if you talk, I will

Jordan 30:05
be sad. He feels bad. I

Unknown Speaker 30:08
will be sad.

Scott Benner 30:10
What's his name? Tyler Tyler, listen to me. I have been a stay at home dad for 20 years, 20 years of me going up to my wife at gift giving occasions and saying, look, I got you this happy whatever day and her looking at it and going, I don't want this. And then me knowing in my heart, she's thinking, I just paid for something with my own money that I don't want. So jever it's not a good feeling like so. But I've learned to live with a Tyler so just suck it up. Okay, you're gonna be alright. You just put your head down and plow through, it'll be fine. And one day, you'll make a couple of dollars. And hopefully this beautiful girl won't kick you out of the house and you'll get to make it up to her. But if her dad's any

Unknown Speaker 30:55
indication, you're not long for this world.

Scott Benner 31:02
By the way, if you ever get divorced, it's not my fault.

Unknown Speaker 31:04
I just did. I'm just joking.

Jordan 31:08
send you a message like a year from now and be like Scott, you ruined everything.

Scott Benner 31:13
I had to leave with my five year old but don't worry, I found another guy who it'll be fine. No, seriously, probably you shouldn't feel bad about this man. It's a it's a nice thing that you guys found each other. And you're willing to support each other in this situation. It really is wonderful. I am you know, I'm, I'm saying a lot of stupid things. I don't mean 85% of them. But the 15% that I do mean, I drastically mean them. But, but you'll have to figure out what the percentages are and how that breaks down later when you're listening back. I just know. I think it's nice. Um, it is uncommon for in my eyes for somebody your age, to be married. And have come from a decent home. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like we were married young, but we were raised like animals. Like, like, honestly, my parents will never hear this. Neither were Kelly's. But let me just say, not a parenting instinct between the group of them. You know what I mean? Like, really? Not? If I got diabetes, when I was a kid, there's no way I'd be alive. That I mean, people would have just been like, good luck. And then that would have been it. You know, Kelly's parents probably would have sold her for I don't know fabric and yarn or something like that. So it so you were raised like these people took really good care of you. Let's look into that for a second. You said you switched over to kind of your own management pretty quickly. Do you remember what your goals were? And if you were meeting them I guess back then really a one C was the only measurement people gave you right?

Jordan 32:42
Yeah, I I can't remember when I was younger what my a onesies were but up until a few years ago, I didn't. I didn't really have set goals. Yes, I I would always shoot for in the sevens for my agency, but I never actually got there until a few years ago.

Scott Benner 33:07
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What changed a few years ago,

Jordan 36:58
I started just doing more research about what helps and I got my CGM and started doing just taking more responsibility. I graduated from college. So I, I don't know I think I just started taking life more seriously. And I got married and was thinking about kids and stuff. So knowing that I had to get my stuff together if I was ever going to have a family and

Scott Benner 37:27
that said just felt like the only path to it. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. First of all, you have to give me a ton of credit here because I stopped myself during your really thoughtful answer from saying that you realize that you're gonna have to take care of Tyler's that you need to

Unknown Speaker 37:40
be healthy.

Scott Benner 37:44
I'm so sorry, teller. I'm still just joking. But, but no, I mean, that's a really. I mean, I think that's a moment that a lot of people come to right. Like you're in the sevens and thinking, well, this is where you really like in honesty really like good enough. Is that how you felt about it?

Jordan 38:02
No, I wasn't in the seven. I was in the eights and nines. Oh, you're shooting

Scott Benner 38:08
for the sevens but we're landing in eights and nines.

Jordan 38:11
Ah,

oh, God, I think I think back on it. I'm just like, I don't know how I made it this far without having some major emergency or being in decay or having a serious low or anything. But as far as emergency situations, everything was pretty mellow. But I just don't remember thinking about my diabetes as much as I do now.

Scott Benner 38:36
See, You surprised me again? Like you really I'm genuinely I'm being genuine like you. Like everything about you made me feel like when I eventually asked you how you are managing and how it was going that you were gonna say Oh, Scott, I I vary between a five six and a five nine. You know? Yeah, I thought you were I thought you were gonna be one of those people like, I I can't imagine like it just did. You're challenging everything I think about everything.

Jordan 39:06
Now my agency is what's 5.8 most recently so I'm there now so I'm personally you think I am now?

Scott Benner 39:17
So the person I thought you were that you weren't? You are now. Yes exactly. But Tyler still not paying the electric bill. I gotcha. You guys live so far for me. That's the only reason I'm comfortable doing this. There's no way Tyler can lose his mind to come completely across the country like even if he did by the time he flew over like Wyoming he'd be like this wasn't worth it. I should go home.

Jordan 39:39
forget why he went there in the first you

Scott Benner 39:41
would think by Minnesota he just be like, why am I on this point? What what changes so interesting for people? What changes did you make like concrete changes? Did you make the go from an A one C and the nines two. Are you in the fives now? Yeah. Wow. That's by the way. It's amazing how many years did that take, though.

Jordan 40:03
And I remember my first day when seeing the sevens about almost coming up on three years ago. And then I've been in that. And then I was in the sixes. And I've been in the fives now for a little over a year, I think,

Scott Benner 40:21
what was the first change? You made?

Jordan 40:24
my diet?

Scott Benner 40:26
What was your diet previously? Was it just pizza, whatever you found on the floor of your dorm room, or?

Jordan 40:32
No, that's the thing. When I was in college, I thought I was. I mean, I felt like I was eating healthy. I wasn't eating fast food every day, or, I mean, I was eating what I consider to be a healthy diet, and but I was still just all over the place with my blood sugars. So I was always really frustrated with them. And I think I just kind of gave up at one point, I was just like, they're just gonna do what they want anyway. But I hadn't listened to this podcast either. Which helps.

Scott Benner 41:06
Wait a minute. Now we're getting to me. I'm getting very interested. What I'm, there's a certain segment of people who thought I was serious. But that's when did you start listening to this show? And And where was your a once you when you started listening?

Jordan 41:21
I started listening about a year ago, I think so I was I was pretty well controlled already. But it just helped me view things a little bit differently and help to I don't know, I for a while I had my high alert off on my CGM. So I could be high and just not even know. And now I have it set at 120. So I just try to catch things sooner. And even things out a little bit.

Scott Benner 41:50
made me smile when you said 120. I hope you know. I was that was nice. And so you're is that really what's going on? Well, let me ask this first, when you say you change your diet, did you change your diet to like, did you go low carb or

Jordan 42:06
quite the opposite? Actually? Good.

So I eat pretty much all like fruits, veggies and whole grains. I don't eat any animal products or anything. But there's a lot of research out there that talks about insulin resistance and how fat causes insulin resistance. And I know you and Jenny did an episode recently right on insulin resistance. But from my understanding, and everything I've learned, like true insulin resistance is caused by fat in your body, whether you're overweight or not. Making it so that carbohydrates can't get into the cells that they need to get into. That's easily because there's fat blocking the way basically. And so when I changed my diet and started just focusing on like, Whole Foods and not eating, I don't eat a bunch of processed foods anymore, either, but just cutting out a lot of the high fat foods, my insulin sensitivity, like shot up, like my I know you don't use a insulin to carb ratio. But I went from one unit for every nine carbs to one unit for every 30 carbs. Wow, just by

Scott Benner 43:39
going to a cleaner diet.

Jordan 43:41
Yeah, no kidding.

Scott Benner 43:42
And so in that gives you more consistently,

it stays pretty consistently. And that gives you more control. Because you're not using as much was it hard to want to use so much insulin when you were doing something? Did that scare you ever? When you like prior to this, like the bigger boluses scare you or?

Jordan 44:03
No, not really, I just I didn't know any different and I just did as much insulin as I needed to do and I would my insulin sensitivity kept, like getting worse and worse because I my ratio kept getting lower and lower. Like it would be one for every 15 and then eventually it was one for every 12 carbs. And then my lowest I remember is like 148 or one per nine.

Scott Benner 44:34
Were you gaining weight through that time or no?

Jordan 44:37
No, no, it just

Scott Benner 44:39
the diet.

Jordan 44:41
Yeah, and I know people. I mean, even people without diabetes, if they have a diet that's high in fat, I imagine their pancreas is are just pumping out more and more insulin to try to compensate for that.

Don't show up. But I

Scott Benner 45:02
feel like that's happening underneath anyway. Well, I will say that my body, excuse me, my body is not a temple of great eating. But I'm also not unaware that, you know, the more you put, the more challenge you give to your body, the more it is challenged, you know, if I, I'm looking at a piece of paper, if I eat it, my body will find a way to process it, you know, and you put stuff in there that it has a harder time with, or that maybe, you know, maybe your body is really not meant to, to have in it. And, you know, you're you're going to use up services, you're going to use up resources, and it's going to work harder to get less accomplished. It's, it's like anything else. Honestly, I have no nutritional background whatsoever. But that's just common sense. Right? You know, I don't whatever keeps the Twinkie fresh for 35 million years is probably not good for you. All right, my guess, you know, don't know hundred percent not sure people from Twinkie might disagree. I'm not saying I know anything. Just saying that. It seems to me that that's not a that's not reasonable. And you know, not that you couldn't throw one in every once in a while. But like you said, if they become if that processed food becomes a staple in your life, then you know, that you end up or you end up and that turnaround that you had your insulin to carb ratio going, like one to nine to one to 30 is, is significant, really significant. You know,

Jordan 46:33
I didn't even know it was possible until it happened. I'm just like, okay, there's a few days where I just, I kept going low. And I was like, Man, this is getting frustrating. But I just kept cutting my insulin back. And I mean, I eat between 300 and 500 grams of carbs a day. But they're all from home. good and healthy foods. It's that. But

Scott Benner 46:59
hold on a second. It was cool. What you just said, Hold on. I really did. It did take you a while to warm up. But you're there now. Okay, so hold on a second. So at a one to nine. If I took 500 divided by nine, it please trust me. I'm not 100% sure I've just done the right thing. But it seems like that's 55 units of insulin at a one to nine. But at a one to 30 I would take the 500 divided by 30. It's 16 units of insulin. Mm hmm. So prior, so if you would have eaten 500 cart, wow. 500 or you're nine feet tall, 500 carbs of, of, you know, pizza and chips and that kind of stuff, you would have needed 55 units of insulin. And I'm gonna guess that might not have been enough. And so, but if you have little asparagus and an apple and a couple of things like that, keeping the I guess you're keeping out you're vegan, right? Yeah, you keep out that stuff. You're down to 16 units of insulin a day for 500 carbs worth of food. Yeah. And you're not gaining weight. Right. So it's healthy for your body. Yeah. All right. So what do I do now? Let's just go over this. I might start doing this Jordan. What do I eat? What do I What do I gotta do?

Jordan 48:19
So Well, before I even so I have over the past. Probably year, I've also lost about 30 pounds, but my insulin sensitivity had had gone way up before I even lost any weight. So okay, so even

Scott Benner 48:40
weight loss. You had that experience? Okay. No, no, no, I'm, I'm, it's Listen, we're from two different coasts. You're speaking at one speed and I'm speaking another and I'm trying my hardest. And so but you don't hear you want to hear a secret? Usually when people speak very slowly. You I don't mean usually. I mean, in the past, my there'd be a little voice in my head that I could hear yelling at me like speed up go faster. Like right, like they're like, tell him to hurry. But this podcast has actually helped me. Like, not feel like that anymore. Like you spin Yeah, you speak slower than I do. And I'm not anxious about it. But I used to be. I used to feel there's an episode of this podcast where a guy spoke so slowly that when I edited it, I had to take out all the pauses. It took me like hours to edit it out. But he just

Unknown Speaker 49:38
couldn't

Unknown Speaker 49:41
talk

Scott Benner 49:44
fast. It's like, oh my god. No one's gonna listen to that. They'll fall asleep in between the words. So I like I compound it down that still made it seem normal, and I still get notes about it about how slowly he speaks in that episode. Well That's okay. It's fine. He was thinking about every word. Except skin. Yeah, I mean, is it and you just say a couple things that don't make sense. People like that was funny. And then it ends you know it's over to get going. Okay, so your what's a normal day for you get up and have breakfast? What does it

Jordan 50:22
mean usually have some berries with oats and bananas and dates.

Scott Benner 50:28
And Bambi doesn't try to take it from me or Thumper or anybody?

Unknown Speaker 50:33
No, no.

Scott Benner 50:34
Okay. And then you're starving and you eat again in five minutes. Now, just kidding.

Jordan 50:39
That is such a big breakfast. Do you snack

Unknown Speaker 50:41
in between meals?

Jordan 50:43
No, I don't.

Scott Benner 50:44
Okay, at lunchtime.

Jordan 50:48
It varies, but, I mean, we make curry or chili or pasta or? No, sometimes, sometimes we'll have salad but not very often.

Scott Benner 51:02
That salad see a couple people every year you ever noticed that ever just pops up? You never see a lettuce that kills people, like every couple of minutes? Not a lot. But it's like a handful of people every year like that. They eat a bad head of lettuce. They're dead. Yeah, they poo for three days and died. Like

Jordan 51:19
sounds like a terrible way to go.

Scott Benner 51:22
It. It really does, doesn't it? I am a strong, strong possibility for the title of this episode. Two for three days. And I don't know today's episode. Did you see today? You didn't because you're on different coasts. But I put an episode up today that finally made my wife go, how do you name the podcast? I called it waxing waning and Hulk Hogan's dragon. And she's like, what's that about? I was like, it's all there, baby. She's like, it doesn't make any sense. And I was like, I said the episode was about so much. I didn't know what to call it. And these words were mentioned in the episode. So go listen to it. Find out what it's about. Meanwhile, she wouldn't do that. I bet you she's never listened to the podcast. I don't ask her.

Jordan 52:16
But you're afraid? Are you afraid that

Scott Benner 52:18
I'm afraid to ask that like, like Tyler's afraid to mention

Unknown Speaker 52:23
the rent.

Scott Benner 52:31
Anyway, Tyler, nice going, man, I'll tell you right now, when young men come up to me and they say, what should I be looking for? In a woman I always say, earning potentials first and then after. You want to go getter? The girl. It's not gonna be like, you know, happy to take a day off in the middle of the week. Just go go go a worker.

Jordan 52:52
Oh, I'm still happy to take the day off. And

Scott Benner 52:56
wait, you're saying that in an Armageddon situation. You're not willing to pull a plow.

Jordan 53:02
That's, that's not my situation.

Scott Benner 53:06
Can you imagine that? There was a time in the world where you would literally put your wife on the front of a handheld plow and be like, yo, pull this through the turret. I was it not the guy pulling the plow? You know that this is a true thing I'm saying right.

Jordan 53:20
Yeah, yeah, maybe. Maybe the women were more capable? I don't know. Listen,

Scott Benner 53:25
if my life is any indication, women are way more capable. And I think Tyler's gonna have to say the same. So I don't see how he can get out of this. You know what I'm doing for you right now. Right? It's like, I've set this man on a path where he's gonna just make a ton of money and take care of you now just to get rid of this pain. And you will call him thank me later. Now, you'll be like, Wow, he really got to it after college. And I was like, say Meanwhile, this is very sexist. Women can do this. Right? How would you feel if you went to all this trouble to get your eight one c nice and low, right? Let's paint a picture. Tyler comes home from a long hard day of listening to other people talk in a room. And you guys are amorous. And by mistake, a little baby Jordan comes out like in nine months. And then Tyler's like I'll stay home with the baby. How would you be with that?

Jordan 54:20
I don't know. Probably not very happy but

Unknown Speaker 54:26
so would you want to

Jordan 54:27
be like No, no.

It's time for you to go away.

Scott Benner 54:32
It's enough for you buddy. I'm just saying trying to set up Tyler's expectations here. So now would you you want to stay home with the baby? Are you looking to be a working person so

Jordan 54:44
I want to stay home at least for a little while but I don't know. How long would you take it? Yeah.

Scott Benner 54:51
I took our new an appointment yesterday. I'm not I'm This is no lie. I can't believe this is coming up. And the woman working behind the counter says something thing like to me like it was like 230 in the afternoon was right after school. How are you able to be here with her? And I said, I must stay at home dad. I've been a stay at home dad for 20 years. And she's like, Oh, I tried that. couldn't take it. Now, this was a younger person. So I'm like, I try. I said, how old your your babies? She was. I just have one, two. I'm like, wait, one, two. And she was Yeah, he's two years old. Like you couldn't take it for two years. I was like, Where is he now? And she's like, basically, I forget exactly what she said the kids in some sort of a human kennel. Now you don't I mean, like, and so she, she's like, I couldn't take it. He was too much.

Unknown Speaker 55:35
I was like, What was

Scott Benner 55:36
so ordered, I go to the she goes to the appointment, we come out, we get in the car. Look at each other. We really are like two peas in a pod. And she goes, what was that woman expecting when she had a baby? I was like, I have no idea. I was like, but there are a lot of work. And I said they basically just poulan things and don't do anything else. Like they're fairly useless. You know, like, you can't they're like weights that you have to keep alive. Like, imagine if you were in charge of keeping your broom alive. Like there's like it's it doesn't do much, you know? And she said, Arden was like baffled by that. And I was too so you're thinking about having a baby, right?

Unknown Speaker 56:13
Yes, sooner than later.

Jordan 56:17
Well, I mean, we got four more years.

Unknown Speaker 56:21
You're, you're on a countdown

Scott Benner 56:22
clock. What happens in four years do you think? Do you think your eggs are gonna expire? or something? Or what do you

Jordan 56:28
know Tyler graduates from school?

Scott Benner 56:31
Oh, you have to wait. Four more years.

Jordan 56:32
It's at least four more years. Yeah.

Scott Benner 56:35
Interesting. Now, you know, my marriage advice is don't marry till 30. Right.

Jordan 56:41
I have heard that. Yeah.

Scott Benner 56:42
Okay. And but but don't have a baby till 30. Okay, so let's say let's say Tyler graduates, then we got to hang back a little bit. Make sure you can get a job you understand? I'm saying and then he gets hooked up with some some employment you're like, Alright, this seems to be going okay. I will now allow you over here to make a baby. And then that happens. And then you're 31 is taller your age?

Jordan 57:05
Yes.

Scott Benner 57:06
Okay. Thank god cuz I thought you're gonna say was younger, and I don't know why that would have bothered me. And for no real reason. But so you're both 31 little baby Tyler Jordan is here. Tyler Jordan sounds like a title of a movie. But anyway, that's nothing that's neither here nor there. He's here. You look at him for a while or she? and two years later, you realize you can't take this kid anymore.

Unknown Speaker 57:30
You go back to work.

Scott Benner 57:32
Is that your Do you have a plan?

Jordan 57:35
No.

Scott Benner 57:37
Have you ever had a

Jordan 57:38
ball up in the air right now? Gotcha.

Scott Benner 57:41
You have what is one thing you've planned this worked out the way you expect it to?

Jordan 57:47
Go into school. Nice.

Scott Benner 57:49
That's a good one. Was that hard to do? was our server point during college that you thought like this isn't for me? Or were you really like locked into it?

Jordan 57:59
More so I think just thinking What have I done? What did I get myself into? But no, I I wanted to see it through

Scott Benner 58:10
give massive loans that you will never be able to pay off.

Jordan 58:15
They're up there but they're not

absurd. Good. They're pretty average. I think as far as student loans go,

Scott Benner 58:22
That's excellent. Good. It's a it's a scary proposition. Yeah, and this Tyler I mean, come on. He's gonna be a couple hundred grand in the hole by the time this is over. Yeah, I mean,

Jordan 58:34
yeah, it's a different story. That guys maybe should wait till you're not paying on those yet. So I

Scott Benner 58:40
think you should wait till Tyler graduates and and get a cat. Maybe you have a cat. So there was one thing I was sure of while we were talking. And that it was you owned a cat? That's because they're quiet and slower. And I feel like that would make you

Jordan 58:59
we have to

Scott Benner 59:00
do they fight with each other? Sometimes? Mm hm. Whose cats? Are they? Tyler's are yours.

Jordan 59:08
We got them together. I didn't say that. I said

Scott Benner 59:10
who's really in charge of the cat? Like, who cares? Like who would be like, oh God, the cat died and be upset and who would be like, ah, did the cat die? which one is which?

Jordan 59:21
I would think we would both be sad. Was that he? He worries about them more when we're not really? I guess.

Scott Benner 59:32
Yeah, Tyler's a nice person. He

Unknown Speaker 59:36
is he he?

Scott Benner 59:37
He's a sweet guy. I worry about our dogs when we leave the house. I'm always like, we have to go home. And then I complain. Why did we get a dog? Oh my god. I'm arguing with the bologna sandwich thing. I guess that's not surprising to me. But I love the dogs and I want the very best for them and like if we have to go out like for a long afternoon, I feel badly about that. But it immediately makes me say to my wife, I told you not to get a dog. But the dog is ruining our life. That cat can't ruin your life though, because you can leave a cat home for I mean until it runs out of water. It's just gonna be okay. Right?

Jordan 1:00:15
arc. Cats are pretty needy, needy cats. I know. One of them has a food allergy and the other one will eat all the food.

So we can't just leave food out.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:35
I don't know if anybody cares about this episode, but I'm having such a good time. You have a

Unknown Speaker 1:00:41
cat with a food allergy?

Jordan 1:00:43
Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:45
You can't make it a vegan. You know, it'll kill it. I know. Chip receipt, people I've

Unknown Speaker 1:00:52
seen people have eaten cats.

Jordan 1:00:55
I've heard about it.

And that's

Unknown Speaker 1:01:04
your one cat your cat eat?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:07
I can't stop laughing.

Jordan 1:01:12
I don't I don't know what it is. Exactly. It's I think that he's allergic to some form of protein. But

what about Scott? you're

Unknown Speaker 1:01:28
allergic the protein.

Jordan 1:01:45
They're allergic to like chicken or turkey or some?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:51
I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:53
It's just you in the other category. It's Tyler the cat, the kitty.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:02
Oh, holy.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:12
This is either the best or worst episode that I've ever done. I won't know until later. Okay, all right. Hold on. We're coming up on an hour. Let me pull myself together here. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:02:26
You did say some really important stuff about the diet, I want to make sure that we we underscored for a second you changed your diet, you took out processed foods became vegan. You're a one season the fives now and you're using to my math, a quarter of the insulin that you're using prior is all about correct. Yeah. How do you feel overall with your health compared to back then?

Jordan 1:02:51
Much better. Yeah, I yeah. Before I just kind of was in this state of mind where I felt like I was gonna get complications or have complications from diabetes. And it was just kind of a matter of when they would come on. And now I feel like I can just live a normal life and not really have to worry about the complications, not that they will never happen, but I'm much less worried about them now than I was before. That's

Scott Benner 1:03:25
excellent. Yeah, I would wait, I would worry way more about the lead weight that is Tyler than I would about diabetes. And I really appreciate Tyler as being the comic foil of this episode. Please. Pass on my regards. Actually, you should tell him that this didn't happen. Probably just be like, I don't know. It just didn't work out. Or we're gonna try again later.

Jordan 1:03:49
Yeah, I was gonna have to listen to it before I let tell anyone else about it.

Scott Benner 1:03:53
Oh, I 100%. Don't think you should let him hear this.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:59
Because I'm kidding. Fair warning.

Scott Benner 1:04:01
Yeah, I've been kidding the whole time. But I'm looking back now. And there's like three things I don't think he wants to hear. But no, seriously, I it's really cool. what you guys are doing the way you're like, you know, let's be serious for a second, you're in your mid 20s. Both of you are becoming educated. And you're supporting each other. You're, you know, you're a couple, you're married, you're taking care of each other. You're taking care of your diabetes in an amazing way. This is really a success story. Your life really is like it's easy to joke about but just because you're younger and you talk slower and you're kind of quiet, your cat can't eat protein. But I mean, other than that, though, you really do have your stuff together. So I mean, you should really be congratulated you by yourself pretty much in your mid 20s. Got your a one C from nine to five. And that's no joke. That's Yeah, as well done, you know, do you ever stop and just, you know, pat yourself on the back? I would. Seriously Have you ever do. What I was gonna say have you ever really stopped and thought about what in the comments This is

Jordan 1:05:01
Yeah, I have. And Tyler talks about all the time. Like, if I have a randomly, not random, I'll know what happens. But if I have a high number, Tyler will bring up the fact that when I when we first met and I would check my blood sugar, like two or 300 would be a normal number that we would see. And now it's very rare. So it's cool to look back and see,

Scott Benner 1:05:28
you know what I'm what I'm interested about about your transformation with food too is that you weren't addicted to food, right? Like it was easy for you to change. Because it seems like you just made a decision to eat healthier, and you just did it. Whereas if you said to me, Scott, you need to eat, you know, a certain way all the time. I don't know that I could, like so seamlessly do it. Was it seamless? How long did it take you to make the transition? We just like one day, you're like, I'm not gonna be like this anymore. That was it, or have you faltered back and forth, or

Jordan 1:05:59
the first change was just to a vegan diet. And we would still eat, like processed foods and still some higher fat foods. And I didn't see a huge change in the diet. And then when I switched to eating like just like Whole Foods, and not any processed or not a bunch of added fat or anything. I mean, you can have vegan pizza and also make your blood sugar go crazy if it has a bunch of fat in it. But once that happened, then it was the biggest change. But it was it was pretty much overnight.

Scott Benner 1:06:40
The change.

Jordan 1:06:42
Yeah, the transition, but I mean, eating, it's such a, like everyone has their habits with eating, and they have their favorite meals that they make all the time. And it's just about finding meals that you like, and what works for you. And eventually, just making those changes you can make a transition with maybe not even really realizing what a big transition you've made. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:07:08
it's really inspirational, honestly, I mean, as a person who I mean, my weight fluctuates constantly, it doesn't make any sense. Like one day, I'll look in the mirror and I look like one person. And three days later, I look like a different person. I'm like, What happened? But I think it's I don't think it's a secret what happened. Like, I really do believe that it's like processed foods and stuff like that, that makes your body begin to like, retain water and you know, and all kinds of stuff. So I agree with you. I just don't not 100% sure I could eat. Like, I'm never hungry is my problem. Is that as weird as it sounds like the food you talked about eating sounded like a lot? To me.

Jordan 1:07:47
It is a lot. Yeah. It's a lot of food. Yeah. And then I know nutrition is a controversial topic, especially right now. Because in low carb is a big craze right now. And high carb low fat is a big craze. So there's a lot of confusion out there. But I think if someone wants to make a change, definitely doing research and kind of looking into it before. It's important. But

Scott Benner 1:08:17
what I found interesting about what you said is that the transformation happens so quickly. So it makes me feel like the right answers what works. You know, like, whether it's one or the other, like wherever you're seeing, like real impact. Like like that would indicate to me that your body likes what's happening.

Jordan 1:08:36
Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:08:37
you don't I mean, I really would like it. My wife is asking me if I'm still recording. So I'm telling her Yes. I don't know why. She's asking me she has not usually this interested in my life. So weird.

Jordan 1:08:54
So cuz she is working from home.

Scott Benner 1:08:56
I'm wondering if she's gonna burn the house down with me and that's really my main concern. Because then she gets, you know, a small there's a small insurance policy on me. But the house and me plus then she gets like the, you know, the town will feel bad for they'll probably make her casseroles for like a year. And then the kids will really be stuck just the only loving her. I think this is what she's gonna go for here. Let me wait for the return text. Probably gonna be like you smell smoke. I'm gonna go check. That's her cover for the cops. You know, they mean I tried to help him but he was upstairs. He couldn't hear because of the headphones and I miss them. Like that kind of a thing. Like she's probably working or acting right now down there. She's gonna kill me one

Jordan 1:09:39
mile. So she walks when

Scott Benner 1:09:40
there are days when I think it will happen eventually. I always imagined she'll get me with a pillow while I'm sleeping. Classic, you know, they mean no reason to be flashy. Just, I don't know. I think he had sleep apnea.

Jordan 1:09:56
kept telling him to go to the doctor,

Scott Benner 1:09:57
my guest that's how I'll tell you what I bet That's how Tyler goes. I just had to take one more. So I get Tyler, who I'm sure is a lovely person that I've never met. Before, I guess. Listen, I would imagine is because you seem like a very grounded reasonable person. I don't think you would couple up with a jackass. So I think Tyler's property terrific. You really are wonderful. You know that, right? Like, I screwed you over a couple of weeks ago by mistake. And you were just like, that's cool. And now today, You're up early again doing this. And we are just it is six o'clock in the morning. And I am saying that your I called your husband a lead weight, I inferred that you would make a baby with him and then leave him like your father did to your first wife. We have said every ridiculous thing about your life that is possible. And the only reason this happened is because you were nervous, and I had to fill the time. You cause this yourself, Jordan. That's what I'm trying to say.

Jordan 1:10:58
I do appreciate you actually calling me today.

Scott Benner 1:11:00
Oh, look at you take it a swing back at me with some sarcasm. That's lovely. I like that. Jordan, you're terrific. If I was 25 years younger, and Tyler hadn't gotten there first, I would absolutely bother you at college. I'd be like, This girl is gonna make a great berry breakfast one day, I can tell. And she's gonna walk these people to death on a thing. And she looks real earning potentials there's I can tell. So that would check the first box right there. There you go. I don't really tell Well, wait, I was gonna say I don't really say that to people. But I have in the past joked about it. Like, you know, but it's sort of not a joke to at the same time. Like, I know someone who obviously I want out who is married to a person who is in my estimation, oh, lazy. Just like this person just doesn't. I know about their details. They're not motivated. They don't have health issues. There's nothing keeping them back. They just aren't really like looking to kill it in life. Do you know what I mean? Like, they're just like, yeah, you know, I'm awake. This is good enough. Like that kind of thing. And I didn't want a life like that for myself, like I wanted. I wanted to try a little bit. You don't mean like, I'm not trying to be wealthy? I don't, that doesn't motivate me. I'm not looking to you know, I'm not looking to be the king of something. But I would like to be able to, like turn around and say I need $20. And for it to be there. You know, and for that to be comfortable. Yeah. So it was important to me that actually, all the Joking aside. And I'm going to ask you a question in a second about Tyler that series. My daughter and her friend. My daughter has a friend who enjoys my company. I don't know why it's weird. But we got a text early in the week. And she's lovely. They she's one of my daughter's friends who I really, I think is one of my favorite ones of my daughter's friends. And so her name is Bella and Bella said, I want to go out for Friday night for chicken with your dad take us out to dinner. So my wife got sick Friday, which is a shame because she was going to come out. And so Bella and Arden and I went out to get Bella chicken, which is really what was happening and 100% I'm still not sure how it happened. So we're driving back to the house. And the kids start, you know, like sometimes kids to ask like bigger life questions. They started asking like, what kind of a person do you see me with like when I get older, because we were people watching in the restaurant. And I was pointing out to them, like, Look, you can see how people end up together. And we were doing kind of that like social math. Like this guy is handsome, but he's not as tall. So he ended up with this girl who's this but she's like, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's it's such a horrible thing to say, but we all fit somewhere. So we were just kind of talking about how people fit together. This made them really wonder who they fit with. And I was like, Look, I'm you know, there's no way to know, I was like, before we started talking about Bob and Bella says, you know, how did you and your wife end up together and I said, hundred percent. The most important thing to me is that my wife is bright, and articulate, and I can talk to her. I said 100% that's what attracted me to my wife. First. She's a thoughtful person, you can have a deep conversation with, you know, everything's not surface. She's not easily confused by things. You know, they mean like, You know how sometimes you can just make some, like half assed argument to somebody and you change their mind and like in the back of your head, you're like that was it like I swayed you? You know what I mean? Like, like you didn't want to, like work toward or anything. She's reasonable. But she's thorough. She's a hard working person. Her job means something to her. She takes pride in the things she does, and I always knew when I was dating her that she'd be a good mother. Like I could really tell and she absolutely 100 percent is all those things and more. And so I told the kids that and they were like, oh, and I'm like, Yeah, I know. That was the truth. Now let's get back to the fun stuff where we talk about the short guy not being able to get a tall girl, here we go. But yet, for a minute, we were like being real with each other. It was lovely. And so I'm wondering, see, thank you if you're comfortable. And to save his soul, in case he ever listens to this, how did you? How did you decide Tyler was the right one.

Jordan 1:15:32
Um, he is very smart, and very sweet. And he's been super supportive with my diabetes, which has been really just really helpful. My mom was saying the other day that she always thought that I would have to end up with someone else who has type one. Because, like, it's such a hard thing for other people to understand. If you don't really live with it, and know it. But she was talking about how grateful she is for Tyler and how much she's supported me. So yeah, just all around a good guy.

Scott Benner 1:16:13
That's lovely. Very nice. Well, Tyler, you're an all around good guy. And that is a really amazing thing to be seriously. I don't think people think sometimes that other things are, are thought of over just being a decent person, and having good, you know, intentions for people. And I is a person who, you know, I joke around here a lot. But you know, I'm sort of like that. And I found it to be undervalued by others in life. And it's a shame, like, I haven't bent from it. But it's definitely not something that the outside world looks at and goes, Oh, this guy's been a really good father for 20 years. That's not a point thing for most people. You know what I mean? they're just, they're like a, he didn't have a job, or he didn't do this or that, you know, all the things I joked about with Tyler through the hour. So anyway, I think joking aside, I, I find that to be the most important thing. I believe you guys will be married for a bazillion years, and have a bunch of cats that can't tolerate all kinds of different foods together.

Jordan 1:17:20
Hopefully a kids someday

Scott Benner 1:17:21
Well, let's hope the kids can eat tuna while though what would you make? Would you make a baby and make a vegan? Do you think he would write? copy? no reason not

Jordan 1:17:30
to play? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice.

Scott Benner 1:17:34
All right. Yeah. Well, I want to know how that goes.

Jordan 1:17:39
I'll keep you updated.

Scott Benner 1:17:40
Well, you won't stop it. So wait. So here's the question. You're an animal, right?

Jordan 1:17:47
Yes.

Scott Benner 1:17:48
So could a vegan baby drink your breast milk?

Unknown Speaker 1:17:51
Oh, go ahead and answer the question.

Jordan 1:17:56
Yes.

Scott Benner 1:17:59
You don't want to be controversial about that at all. Jordan. Nothing. Okay, but you wouldn't get you don't drink cow's milk.

Jordan 1:18:07
And I'm not gonna stick my baby on the cows that are?

Scott Benner 1:18:12
Well, you'd wipe it off first. They're dirty because they walk around. They lay in the room. But yeah, oh, that gets sick. very dirty animals. Very, very dirty animals. But the insides are clean. That's why the milk is okay. You would, but you wouldn't give cow's milk to yourself, right? No, that's vegan. Vegans like nothing that comes from an animal at all? Yeah, okay. So your shoes are like, what? Yeah, like plastic shoes on like the whole thing, right? It's like sandwich bags wrapped around your feet or something. Or what do you got?

Jordan 1:18:46
Just go barefoot everywhere. Gotcha. All right.

Scott Benner 1:18:49
I'm leaving you with a. I'm leaving you with this. For a second story. My friend Mike who is no longer with us, dated a vegan when we were kids. And try to imagine that this was in the early 90s it was not exactly the epicenter of veganism. And we were shopping one day walking through a mall. We were all together. And we walked past a shoe store that had just, I there must have been 1000 pairs of leather shoes in the shoe store. And I'm not gonna lie. You could smell the leather as you walked past the shoe store. And we're all just strolling down the mall. And she just gasps and yells

Unknown Speaker 1:19:30
and yells against smell the leather. She ran away.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:40
And I put my hand on my shoulder. I was like,

Unknown Speaker 1:19:43
how do you handle this one?

Unknown Speaker 1:19:47
He says swear to God, it was like November. And he goes I think she got me a pretty good Christmas present and the sex is great. So I'm gonna hang on a little longer.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:02
I don't know where that girl is now.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:05
But a

Unknown Speaker 1:20:07
bless her she was really thrown by that she

Scott Benner 1:20:12
is one of like the I have two memories of that girl. This next one if your kids are listening, the podcast is over now shut it off. Okay. But my other memory of them is that we all went to the zoo together, which now that I look at it, I'm not sure that she should have been okay with it as a vegan. And, and we were really young, right? So we are and it's another time I want you to remember another time when I tell you the story. So the entire drive to the zoo she's talking about she's just had her nipple pierced. I told you to shut it off and you're listening with your kids, right? And we're all kind of amazed by that. And it wasn't really a vibe of people that we had hung around and we get out of the car. And she's taught she keeps talking about my nipple pierced my nipple pierced and like she's like, you can see it right through my shirt. And I don't know what possessed me and as an adult, I would not do this. But I reached out with the very tip of my finger and I touched it. I was like, Is this it? And there's this long pause and she goes, No, that's my nipple.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:12
And I pulled my hair back slowly. I went. I apologize. We wish

Scott Benner 1:21:18
everyone laughed. It was fine. But um, those are my only two memories of that girl. I don't know her name. I can picture her in my head running away from a shoe store but that's pretty much it. I don't I don't remember anything else about it. I do have a lot of fun memories of Mike but uh, but of her Those are my only two. Anyway, I don't get one so not bad, right. I don't know what he got for Christmas from her. But I hope it was worth waiting. Yeah. All right, Jordan, you were really lovely.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:45
Thank you. No, thank you for doing this. I appreciate it.

Scott Benner 1:21:49
When you email me an hour from now and tell me I'm never allowed to play this or people will completely understand so just

Jordan 1:21:56
know, you might have a angry mob of my family coming after you but

Scott Benner 1:22:00
I would or we could run it where everything said about your by the way everyone said in jest because I don't know any of these people about your father his first marriage. And Tyler you imagine if there was just like 1000 beeps over this episode. That was just you and I like four words went fine. There's like a beep beep beep beep and then went on maybe I put that up. Alright.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:19
Thank you so

Scott Benner 1:22:20
much. I hope you have a great day at work running people into the ground on the treadmill. Thank you seriously go save some lives you What are you doing here?

Jordan 1:22:29
I'll do my best. Huge thanks

Scott Benner 1:22:34
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Unknown Speaker 1:26:56
Brum, Brum,

Scott Benner 1:26:58
having trouble making thoughts maybe I should sing an old 20 song. What's a good 20th song? Hold on a second. Famous 1920 murders movies mobsters, musicians music There we go. Whoo. Ain't misbehaving was huge in the 20s. dark was the night downtown Hartford blues in the jailhouse. Now making whoopee by Bing Crosby. My man

Unknown Speaker 1:27:35
huh?

Scott Benner 1:27:37
West and blues Louis Armstrong. Do not wonder what the words to make an whoopee we're cuz.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:46
Now I'm wondering.

Scott Benner 1:27:48
Every time I hear that dear old Wedding March. I feel rather glad I have broken. Wait, I have a broken arch. I have heard a lot of people talk. And I know that marriage is a long long walk. To most people weddings mean romance, but I prefer a picnic or a dance of the bride and groom and other sunny honeymoon. Another season another reason for making Whoopie Is this the back end later the wedding. The chorus sings Here comes the bride and other victim is by her side. This is misogynistic. He's lost his reason? Cause it's the season for making Whoopi. down through the countless ages. You'll find it everywhere. Somebody makes good wages. Somebody wants her share. Jesus. This is harsh. She calls him toodles and rolls her eyes. She makes him strudels and bakes him pies. What is it all for? This is like a bad Cat in the Hat. It's so helpful for making whoopee. Wait, you got to trick me into those sex. Another year or maybe less? What's this? I hear? Well, can you guess she feels neglected? So he suspected of making whoopee. Are you following this? I think the inference here is men don't want to be married to the 20s. But that's the only way they're going to get laid. And so you give him a pie if you're a lady, and then he marries you. I'm not clear on what you get out of this yet. And the ladies I'm saying and then soon enough, he's going to get tired of your pie from what I'm guessing here. And then he's going to go make the Wolfie with somebody else. Or is he making the copy? Or do you just feel neglected because he's ignoring you and therefore you think he's making the copy? Let's read on it. We'll find out. She sits alone most every night. Oh, no, he's out. He doesn't phone or even right. He's gone. He says he's busy. But she says is he not easy peasy. Why? Like, is he from Grey's Anatomy is he? He's making whoopee. He doesn't make much money $5,000 per year. skies a slacker even by 1920 standards, some judges who think he's funny some judge who thinks he's funny says you'll pay six to her. Oh, I see. He only makes five grand but he's got to give six to the lady. I mean, how many pies did she make? He says now judge suppose I failed the judge says budge right into jail. We are up to this guy going from not wanting to go to a wedding because his foot doesn't hurt. He can't dance. To now he's gonna get locked up for not making his alimony you better keeper you'll find it's cheaper than making won't be. Oh, not cheating is cheaper than giving away your money. So dark song written by two men Gus Kahn and Walter Donaldson. A lot of people recorded this song Doris Day. Eddie Cantor, Ella Fitzgerald in Crosby Huh?

Unknown Speaker 1:31:01
What do you know?

Scott Benner 1:31:04
My ADHD led us to reading the lyrics of making won't be at the end of an hour and 30 minute long podcasts where all we really did was make fun of Jordan's husband Tyler for no reason that is discernible. I guess that makes sense.