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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 617 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today's show features Katie. Katie is a young mother who has type one diabetes. And we will talk about all things type one diabetes and babies. Babies from a parenting perspective, type one diabetes from a person's perspective. My thoughts from my perspective, you'll listen from your perspective. And we'll all form new perspectives. Please remember, while you're listening that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan or becoming bold with insulin. I need you to go to the T one D exchange and fill out their survey. T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. You have to be a US resident who has type one diabetes, or a US resident who is the caregiver of someone with type one diabetes. If you are those things, your answers to your completely private questions that are HIPAA compliant. We'll help people living with type one, and they'll benefit the show T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo Penn. Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash Juicebox. Podcast is also sponsored but I just got shot out of all goes. Hold on. Sorry about that. I mean, lighten that up a little bit. The podcast is also sponsored today. By the Contour Next One blood glucose meter, learn more and get started at contour next one.com forward slash juice box. There are links in the show notes. And Luke, look at link what was I saying and links to Juicebox Podcast? Podcast? What is going on? There are links in the show notes and links at juicebox podcast.com. If you can't remember contour next one.com forward slash juice box and G vo glucagon.com forward slash juice

Katie 2:24
box here right now he's like queueing a little bit.

Scott Benner 2:28
I'm gonna record right now. I don't want to miss it. Okay, being recorded. All right. So you are allowing a nine week old baby?

Katie 2:36
Yes, I am. So it has been quite the nine weeks for sure.

Scott Benner 2:42
Really? Well, we'll talk about it, I guess. Yes. We'll just let everybody know that we're hoping the baby's gonna fall asleep and the baby might not fall asleep. And we'll see.

Katie 2:51
Yes, I've been doing my best but you know, babies are unpredictable is what I'm learning.

Scott Benner 2:55
Yeah. You're figuring that out? Are you? Yeah, you

Katie 2:58
know, cuz like when I scheduled this with you, I was still I don't know if I was in my third trimester yet. So I was like, oh, yeah, by then all should be fine. Like, we can do a podcast recording, I was very ignorant to you know, what it takes to take care of a baby. first child,

Scott Benner 3:13
here's when you'll be fine. There'll be a split second before your death, where you'll feel calm. They say.

Katie 3:21
Like, I made it this far, they're still alive.

Scott Benner 3:23
I mean, like, even if it's like 6575 80 years from now, and you're old and weathered. And you're like, Oh, this is it. I'm slipping away. You're still gonna be worried about something or somebody right up until the very moment you go. Oh, wait. Yeah, making a baby is the short way to be worried for the rest of your life. That's for sure.

Katie 3:44
I know. It was funny. Have you seen that movie? The quiet plays? I have? Yeah, it's like all I had watched the first one. Whenever it came out. My husband, I just watched the second one. And I was like, This is not a movie for new parents. All it is is about like the parental fears you have of like, you know, taking care of your children. And I was just like, Man, I also know, I know what it feels like. constantly worried.

Scott Benner 4:09
But they call it dumpster fire. So and it's it's just the magnification of it is something you're not prepared for. Really? Yeah, it's because you've been worried about other things before in your life.

Katie 4:21
Exactly. And you know, gonna start daycares. That's a whole new thing to start worrying about. And then I'm sure it just gets harder. Not easier.

Scott Benner 4:30
Yeah. I mean, I don't want to rain on anybody's parade. But I haven't felt like it easier yet. And my kids are 21 in 17. Yeah.

Katie 4:39
I mean, my parents tell me that about myself or like, we're still worried about you. I'm like, Well, now you should be worried about my child.

Scott Benner 4:46
Because there aren't laws to protect this baby from me and I don't know what I'm doing.

Katie 4:50
I know they, you know, just talk us out of the hospital. They didn't ensure I was a fit parent or anything.

Scott Benner 4:55
It's apparently up to you. Well tell ya tell everyone your name. Tambien get started. Although we're pretty started

Katie 5:03
My name is Katie, and I am a type one diabetic, diagnosed as an adult.

Scott Benner 5:08
How old were you when you were diagnosed? 27

Katie 5:11
And so I had the classic mis diagnosis of type two diabetes. It was very strange. I was showing no symptoms. I actually just went into my yearly physical and the bloodwork and everything. And then like a week later, she was like, your blood sugar's 400 diagnosis site to diabetes. This is all in the portal, by the way, like not like a phone call to like break the news. I was like, What do you think? I was like, This is a lie. I was like, I didn't know anything about blood sugar. I was like, 400 I was like, so I called him I was like, listen, I know, I was supposed to be fasting, but I had like three donuts before. Then I was like, so I think that's why my blood sugar is 400. And like, the poor nurse is like, Oh, honey, like, donuts shouldn't put you at 400 If you don't have diabetes,

Scott Benner 5:55
Oh, honey, three donuts? That's it. Yeah, indication of a different problem, you

Katie 6:00
know, exactly. So like, then I saw I had type two diabetes, I came in again, for like the agency, the agency was 9.1. I'm still like, no symptoms really, like if anything, I had been like, slightly gaining weight, wasn't overly thirsty wasn't going to the bathroom a lot. So it was still just very strange. But you know, the ANC don't lie. So I was like, Okay, I guess I'm type two. And when I'm like super Larco, low carb diet, you know, I was doing finger pricks and no insulin. But then thankfully, my mom was like, convinced me like, you need to get into an endocrinologist. You know, just to see if this could be type one. And I was like, and still at the time, I didn't know much about diabetes. So I was like, no type one is where you get when you're a kid, and I would have known I had this. Like, you know, she persisted in selecting, I'll make an appointment. But ironically, like it was hard to get into the endocrinologist because they were like, oh, like, Are you having trouble, like controlling your diabetes? And I was like, Well, no, actually, now I haven't like really like good on this low carb diet. And it's because I was like honeymooning. And so like, my numbers were looking great. And they're like, well, we don't really like to see patients until like, you've been working with your primary for a while and like, things just aren't going well.

Scott Benner 7:21
Know, the, you're making me think of two things. Okay, first thing, I love that your mom was right. And now you're, you're holding a baby. And one day that baby's gonna look at you and be like, No, I think you're wrong. Lady. You don't know what you're talking about? Yes, that's fascinating. That's the circle of life, in case anybody's wondering. And the second thing is I started thinking, you know, how they say, hear people say constantly teachers are underpaid. We it's an important job, and we should pay teachers more. That's an interesting statement. Because they don't mean we should pay bad teachers more they mean, we should offer more money to be teachers. So we get really, really qualified people to be here. I was just thinking, maybe doctors offices should more value. The the knowledge of the person answering the phone. Yes. And and not not not to say that the people doing the job right now couldn't be coached up and taught. But But maybe, maybe I you know, I listen, I'm the person that makes phone calls for everybody in my house. And I talked to I speak to doctors. And if you want to know the difference between me calling, Dr. BENITO who was on ended the thyroid episode with me and speaking to her. And I experienced I had just last week just trying to set up an MRI for my son. I was speaking to a person at the orthod At the Ortho. That I don't know, understood what I was saying. And when I asked a simple yes or no question, I don't want to add anybody like horribly, I asked a simple yes or no question. I said, Is it possible that your pre certification department, which by the way, my insurance doesn't need a pre certification, but we'll get that let's let that go. My question was, Is it possible that your pre certification department has not yet reached out to my insurance company? That was the only question is it possible that they haven't reached out yet? And I am not lying to you 35 words into her third sentence? She had not come close to answering that question. And she was trying so hard to use big words. And so like she knew what she was talking about. And all of this effort was going into. It felt like her trying to make me believe

Katie 9:33
that she was talking

Scott Benner 9:33
about yes, yes, yes. Yes, Katie. Yes. Okay. And so I'm lucky for her and lucky for me in the world that I've matured, because 30 years ago, I would have been like you're not answering my question, and I would just send it again. But instead I said something very polite. I was like, oh, you know, I think I wasn't very clear with what I was asking. I just want to know, is it possible, blah, blah, blah. And I swear to you, she launched back into that diatribe again. It's like, oh my god, imagine if I were to get mad at her, or feel frustrated. Or maybe I'm not a great communicator. And now we have two bad communicators talking to each other. How often does that happen to people?

Katie 10:13
Oh, I'm sure every day, which is why they, you know, try to use big words make it sound like they're the assertive one knowing what they're talking about, you know? Yeah. For certain sure they deal with all sorts of people.

Scott Benner 10:24
I'm telling you forget to not forget teachers, but we should pay admin more money at doctors offices. Yes,

Katie 10:30
I agree. And I'm sure that like, she, like they always have a full schedule. There's no office, I'm sure. Like, they're told, like, only make appointments for like, you know, certain type of deals and whatnot. But I even had a referral from my primary cuz I went back to my primary, I was like, hey, like, I just want to get more I had to phrase it into a way. I was like, I just want to educate myself more on this, like, can I go talk to an endo? Like, instead of just saying like, Hey, here's my, you know, slip the Gaussian, endo to get this taken care of, like, I really had to like, yeah, sweet talk my way into it. And then I had to convince a woman on the phone. I was like, you know, I just, let's just make an appointment. Let's just see, you know, it was like, it should have been that hard. And all of course, I'm doing this so I can tell my mom, I made an appointment. But like, I could have easily been like, oh, oh, you just need to see if I are struggling with this for a while and then call back in a year. Or when I'm in DK. You know,

Scott Benner 11:21
I want you to remember that feeling. The first time that you're holding is like you do not know what you're talking about. You're lucky to be standing up. I've been watching you since I was a baby. And I don't even know how you're not dead lady. You can't make one good decision. I have the whole world figured out already. Oh, I love that. You made that appointment to shut your mom up. And she was

Katie 11:41
right. Yep. Oh, yeah. She was definitely right. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 11:45
How you felt you ever if you ever told her this? Oh, yeah.

Katie 11:48
She knows. And like, she was like, really? The lead to that. Like, you know, she was right in that because like, the type two just didn't make sense. Like, I didn't have the characteristics of it. And you know, but then of course, she went straight into worry mode again, because you know, this,

Scott Benner 12:06
really to worry about now. Yeah.

Katie 12:08
I was hoping for type two because I was like, type two seems easy to manage with the diet and everything. I was like this type one is, you know, yeah. Gonna be a lot more learning curve.

Scott Benner 12:17
Isn't it interesting when your expectations start dwindling? What you're what you're willing to reach for? Yeah.

Katie 12:25
okay with being sick, but not you know, that sick or something?

Scott Benner 12:28
I went from living a perfectly normal life for 27 years to wishing for type two diabetes. Wow. Yeah, that's really it's very interesting. How your how your brain starts bargaining with Yes, with whatever, all of a sudden. So how long ago was that? How old are you now?

Katie 12:43
I'm 29. Now, so? Yeah. Well, you married, I am married. And actually, I was engaged to my husband. We've been together for five years. But so he's been through all of this with me. And we got married last August. So we're coming up, actually in a month will be our one year anniversary. Huh? Good for you. When you're diagnosed, you have a three month old baby. If you can do that math.

Scott Benner 13:09
I can do all the math. Don't worry. 30 You just found out you have type one. You've been married very recently. And you don't listen to your mom. I understand. Don't you worry. I'm on top of this conversation. I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, Katie, I'm good. So does it huh. When you learn that you have diabetes? Do you ever have the conscious thought? I wonder if this guy's gonna stay with me?

Katie 13:36
Yes, actually, I mean, it's kind of sad, but like his mom has passed away, and she was really sick. And he took care of her through her cancer treatments. And that actually all happened pretty much before we got together. So I got to meet her one time, but like, I didn't know her. Um, and so of course, I had this feeling of like, he had to take care of his mom. I was like, I don't want to feel like he has this feeling he's gonna have to take care of me. And so, you know, that's something we had to like work through. And we've been in a couple of therapies for a few years now. And, you know, something that we addressed and like, I turned that wasn't a concern if it was just myself feeling like, I didn't want to be a burden.

Scott Benner 14:24
Wow, that's interesting. So it wasn't him. You answered yes to the question, but it wasn't him. It was you. It was me. Yeah. So you thought he already went through an illness? You didn't? Did you think he wouldn't want to do another one? Or did you think that

Katie 14:37
I just I think I was more like concerned for him and his mental state of like he already had to go through like an illness where he was a primary caregiver. And then like, so of course his self got put on the back burner. I was like, I don't want him always feeling like he's on the backburner and taking care of somebody else. health purposes, but of course, like that's why we have this commercial and communicate to make sure that like, his needs are being met too. And then we realize like, yes, you know, like right now like, I take care of my diabetes like he's very aware, but it's not like a situation where like, he's like, Wait on Me Hannah butt over, or anything, you know?

Scott Benner 15:13
No, I understand I and so your your knee jerk reaction, although very understandable ended up not really being a concern.

Katie 15:20
Correct? Yeah, no, he's been great with it. Like, he doesn't understand like, you know how much insulin I need for certain meals or anything, but like, he was very accommodating to like, whatever I'm asking for. And then like, he follows me on Dexcom follow. And just yesterday, I had a confession when he called me he's like, you're in the 40s. Wake up. I was like, it's not real. It's

Scott Benner 15:40
fine. Has he been more attentive to it since the baby's warm?

Katie 15:47
I think so a little bit, essentially, it's just, you know, me and the baby at home. He was like, last last thing I need is like, you know, I answer your phone. When I see this ad. I was like, I know,

Scott Benner 15:57
when my son was born, I realized in a flash, that my wife was just a girl, I met her, I was just the guy she met. And that baby was hers. And I felt like that baby was mine. And I was like, we can't let this girl mess this up. And I bet you she was thinking, I can't let this dumb kid I've met mess. Right? All of a sudden, you become very aware of where your attachments are 100% and where they are 90%. And it's a very, very interesting to watch it happen as you build a family. And, and, and I was just thinking he was probably like, Oh, I love Katy. But I don't want her to like pass out and roll over on that kid.

Katie 16:42
Well, he's also saying like, I can't do this on my own, cuz he's told me that. He was like, oh, you should take care of yourself. Because like, you know, he spent an afternoon with him by himself. He's like, I can't do this by myself.

Scott Benner 16:54
I thought that was implied.

Katie 16:57
Yeah, that's Yeah. And I'm his like milk machine. So like, I gotta keep producing that way.

Scott Benner 17:03
If you don't keep this train rolling, he's gonna go broke. Just buying baby formula. Exactly. didn't make sense. From what I hear is very expensive actually. diapers to like, Oh my God. Yes. I remember when we didn't have to buy diapers anymore. And I felt like we got a raise. I bet we should buy something. We have all this extra money now. Have you ever heard Jenny talk about getting low in a store? And while she's holding her baby?

Katie 17:27
Yeah, she like sat down in a dressing room or something and her husband

Scott Benner 17:31
right on the floor in a in a place and started like doing tabs? Because yes, like I'm gonna go down and she just so she's like she got ahead of it.

Katie 17:40
That's how I experienced like that in a store with him. I was pushing the stroller and I was just like, uh, like, reach into the diaper bag and grab my jelly beans.

Scott Benner 17:48
Jelly Beans. Oh, nice. Yeah, doughnuts aren't very portable.

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there is nothing written down in front of me. I was off my head

Katie 22:00
me over a year to have a doughnut again. You know, it's a little scary.

Scott Benner 22:03
Oh, I bet you I bet you you were like oh my gosh, look what I did with these doughnuts. Did you know and you have that thought?

Katie 22:11
Yeah. Well, I feel like it was more like just a joke of like, you know, doughnuts give me diabetes. Like I understand that's not the case. But you know, like, after looking at my since I was such a honeymoon phase, like in doing my own readings, like my morning numbers were good. If I hadn't gone in with my fasci Number, it might not have been over 100. So it was actually a good thing that you know, I sparked those. Maybe I made

Scott Benner 22:33
somebody pay attention. i Hey, those donuts may have saved your life. Katie, exactly.

Katie 22:38
We'll go with that.

Scott Benner 22:40
I have to tell you as you get older, and your body tolerates food less than less, which I know is probably hard to like wrap your head around when you're 30. But you know, there'll be a day where you eat pizza. And you're going to get like multiple messages from your body that says, Please don't do that again.

Katie 22:55
I hope not the pizza.

Scott Benner 22:58
That's how I think of sweets now, like if my body would have had the reactions to food, that's not good for me. When I was younger, I'd be completely different person now because now like the idea of having something super sweet like that, like it was Arden's birthday last week, and we got our companies, and they're not just cupcakes, they're like cupcakes from a place where I have to pay for them. You think? I don't think cupcakes should cost this much money. Yeah, like $3 a cupcake was happening. Exactly. Yeah. And there's, you know, there's icing on top of it. It's piled and thick. And though it's not just cake, it's got cookies, and like, you know, it's just a bomb of sugar. And, you know, her friends are over one night and they pull out these cupcakes. And I'm like, Well, I'm going to eat a cupcake because it's Arden's birthday, and I'm going to eat this cupcake. But as I was eating it, I thought, No, I don't particularly want this. So and I just know that if I would have felt that way about sugar when I was younger, I don't know how much different my life would be. or not, but I'm just saying, I can't get it anymore. You know, a little bit of red sauce, you know, like who I should do that earlier in the day. You know, you start having thoughts like that. It's not fun, okay. But the the highlight of it is, is that while that's happening to me, my children that I've put my heart and soul in for my whole life are just sitting around me, supporting me and thanking me for being there.

Katie 24:20
Right yeah. Even tell me that some days.

Scott Benner 24:25
They're just gonna give you crap constantly and test every fence. They're like the Raptors net Jurassic Park film, they just run around touching the fence touching the fence to like and find out how to get through it. And that's the good kids, the bad kids. Literally the bigger house.

Katie 24:38
I know I am. I'm scared. Do you how

Scott Benner 24:41
how were you as a young person? Were you like a reasonable person?

Katie 24:45
I was a teenage girl which I'm sure you know what that's like and it's just you know, the backtalk like I was a good kid as far as like, I didn't like kicked out of school or you have the cops cold in the house or anything but you know, like I would talk back to my parents and just refuse to do anything like That's sad. So I was actually kind of really unfun. Like, I found out we were having a boy. So I was like, I know nothing about boys, like, I'm sure it's still gonna be extremely hard. But I was like, I know how hard I was as a girl. So at least for this first one, I might not have to relive that.

Scott Benner 25:14
Generally speaking, the hard areas just line up differently across the calendar is all so

Katie 25:19
okay. So you balance it out with your boy and girl like different times.

Scott Benner 25:23
They're constantly a problem instead of a problem at the same time. Like little boys, you could get one of those really energetic ones. And they're there or something because they just go Go, go, go go. And they're like, little, like, monsters that punch things. Like if that happens. I mean, I don't know what you're gonna do.

Katie 25:42
But yeah, I know. I have my some friends that their boys are like that. And it just, they Yeah, they run circles in the house just trying to tie themselves out.

Scott Benner 25:51
I think you just save up a little money. You buy something with a fence outside of it, and you just release them like they're federal, basically, you keep them clean, and don't let them speak. And then the law can't say anything to you. And it's fine. So I got that from parenting magazine, October 1980. Well, okay, so let's talk a little bit like you, you've got diabetes. Had you thought about you weren't married yet? So you probably weren't thinking about babies yet?

Katie 26:18
Well, yeah, we were already engaged and had planned our elopement. This is time like Pete COVID. So like, we and I had always wanted to do a little bit anyways, because the idea of like saying my vows in front of 100 plus people just didn't sound like relaxing and like an experience I would like be fully present. So like, I was like, perfect excuses. Like, no, I can elope and so we went out to Colorado and had a gorgeous elopement. But we had been talking about like, kids, and of course, like, now I'm having thoughts of, well, I think I can manage my pregnancy through this. But then it's a fear of like, well, what are the chances that my kid will have type one diabetes? You know, for me, this was a complete shock. No one in my family that I know has it. But my dad was also adopted. So there's like, half the family history that were missing there. And so like, I just did some research on like, what are the chances? And they just kind of had to come to like, understanding and like, comfort with myself of like, okay, like, it could happen, but like, do I want to have a kid more than the fear of Him one day having type one diabetes, right?

Scott Benner 27:29
I gotcha. So how much of that? Did it play in at all? Like, was there ever a moment where you're like, I'm not gonna have a baby? Because I don't want that? Or did you not entertain that thought for long? Oh,

Katie 27:43
yeah. I mean, like, it took like, a couple of months to like, just think about, sorry, he is hearing I might have not wanted a baby. And

Scott Benner 27:54
I knew it. I knew. It was like, it was too good to be true. He's already taking notes about how to get on your knees. Yeah.

Katie 28:03
Yeah. So if I had, honestly, I found your podcast really early on, until like, I had already been listening to like episodes with you and Jenny. And then like, the other series you had done with a woman with type one in her pregnancy. So I had, like, I'm the type of person to that I just dive into research to like, that's how I comfort myself when I'm like, questioning something or just like, need to understand it more. So I just kind of dove in and like, learned a lot. And then I wouldn't say it was too long. I mean, we got pregnant right away after our wedding.

Scott Benner 28:38
Well, I I feel like you said something earlier, you said if you were in a big, like wedding, now isn't something you feel like you'd want to be there for and be fully present. And I felt like thing was you'd need to be a tiny bit and he braided in one way or another to get through that. Oh, for sure. That's what you're saying. Okay, I want to make sure. So, so hearing Samantha's story about her pregnancy and and listening to Jenny, made you feel confident that you could could get it done?

Katie 29:07
Yes. And I had already gotten my a one C down to in the fives really quickly. And that was with like MDI, and we're still honeymoon. So that help, but um, yeah, I was confident in my ability to manage dependencies, and my insulin needs. Because that was my like, I was in control of that. The fear was the things I was gonna be not in control of, like my son's health one day. So it wasn't ever really concerned. Like, I wonder if I can manage my type one diabetes and pregnancy. Now that I have here, I am concerned about any future pregnancies I was like, it's gonna be a lot harder than that. First one was like, I didn't have you know, a kid to take care of and I could like Pre-Bolus the exact time I needed and now it's like, I don't know what I'm going to eat.

Scott Benner 30:00
You don't know what you're gonna do anything. Oh,

Katie 30:02
it's usually noon before I can brush my teeth. Somebody who's

Scott Benner 30:05
showed more concern about having a baby you or your husband

Katie 30:11
with concerns of health Yeah, I think my I did he he was just kind of like if it happens, we'll deal with it boy. Yeah, exactly.

Scott Benner 30:20
plan anything that's that's what I expected to say. I was just I was wondering so how did you find it? Like once you first of all were you just don't like a mad tear after you got married? Like we like did you on purpose make the baby? Let's say it in front of him. Was he? Was he an accident? A happy accident? How do you attribute his his? Well, I

Katie 30:41
was no longer on birth control. So we weren't stopping it. Gotcha. But also, I didn't know like, how fast it would happen because I have friends who have been you know, trying for a while to conceive. And so just like, let's not like look at calendar dates to make sure that we're you know, doing it the right time. But right. Currently we did.

Scott Benner 31:01
You Well, when you're first you're going to hit the time at some point. So Exactly. Yeah. No, I hear you so Okay, so it happens. Yay, raise. Yay. How about your mom? Was your mom like? No? Worries. She Yeah, did she? Yeah. You know,

Katie 31:15
honestly, she she was more concerned from my, my own health. And I think that yeah, she was What's that movie that like I still haven't watched it with a woman like a type one and dies after pregnancy? Yeah, what is? Yeah, yeah. So I think she's like, seen that movie and like, was like instantly afraid. Or?

Scott Benner 31:36
Robert died in the movie once? Oh, yeah.

Katie 31:39
Exactly. And she's still like, this is so new. It's not like she had been dealing with this with me. Because I I mean, I'm getting pregnant, like, basically six months after the official type one diagnosis. So she's still trying to, like, you know, she's not around me. We live four hours apart. So she has not really seen like how well I'm doing with it. I think she was just concerned.

Scott Benner 32:00
How was your doctor? When you were like, how do you when you go to the OB and you're like, Hey, I'm pregnant. And I just got type one diabetes. It's my year getting all kinds of like, did they say

Katie 32:10
yeah, so unfortunately, I Well, I mean, it was fortunate, the very beginning, I had the best OB GYN she was also type one. And I was like, this is matching to heaven. Like she understands like what I'm going through. And then second trimester, she moved to Texas, and I'm not from Texas. So now, I was so upset. I was like, no, like, No, I have to start over with some videos. I understand. I mean, ended up being fine. But yeah, I had actually gotten to her, um, before getting pregnant, just to kind of get some consultation on like, what should I expect with type one and pregnancy? Like, since I'm so new to this, do you think that if I had a pregnancy now it'd be easier versus if I waited a couple years and she was basically like, you know, it doesn't really matter if you wait or have one now like, it's, you're gonna have the same challenges regardless. So she was really good in the beginning, and talk to my Endo. About what my goal should be. So I definitely prepared I just didn't know I was preparing for something that was gonna happen in next couple months. I thought I was gonna be for something next, like six plus months.

Scott Benner 33:13
Yeah, wow, geez. Oh, wait, okay. Okay. So you're pregnant. There's no, there's no going backwards? No. What's, what's the first does your insulin. I mean, you do you? Where's my question? Do you feel like you were honeymooning still? Yes.

Katie 33:30
Yes. I was so crazy. Like, I wonder like now, like, if I'm gone back to honeymooning or it's just like the crazy like hormone changes after pregnancy. But so pre pregnancy. I was like to see about only like three units a day. And then like, I basically had to like beg them to give me mealtime insulin because they're like, well, your numbers are so good. I was like, Yeah, because I'm eating low carb. Like I'm basically on a keto diet. And I don't want to spike because at this point, I've, you know, done my own research. I know how bad that can be for my health long term to have constant highs. So it's like until you give me mealtime insulin, I'm not gonna experiment with food. And then also, I wanted to have a CGM and insurance wouldn't pay for it until I'm on at least three injections a day. So I was like, Well, if you write me the script for mealtime insulin, then I can also get my CGM. And so you know, look at my way into that one.

Scott Benner 34:29
Excellent. So do you see you think maybe if you were to have another baby, it would be a completely different experience maybe? I

Katie 34:37
think so. I think what I ended up going on on a pod by the second trimester just because my insulin needs that like I at the end of my pregnancy. I was on sometimes 200 units a day, like I was going through a full pod. It got to the point where I was actually giving myself manual injections for bigger meals. So that way just didn't have the And tripod like every 24 hours. It was a lie I am and now No, I'm not pregnant. Like there's some days where I

Scott Benner 35:08
don't even hit 10 units a day. Yeah, the breastfeeding has an impact on that.

Katie 35:11
Yes, definitely. I did listen to that episode. I really appreciated that postpartum protip series. Well, I would say it was, like very unpredictable. And now it's just kind of leveled out, which is good, right?

Scott Benner 35:24
I would say thank you. But Jenny was like, We have no, yes. She told me and I was like, Okay, done. Don't worry about I've never argued other ones like, yeah, no, thank you to Jenny for sure. Yeah, thanks, Jenny. Cuz I wouldn't like there's some episodes where I'm like, Hey, Jenny, you should talk now. I say things that pop into my head as she's speaking. But that's excellent. Well, I'm glad it was helpful, too. So first trimester and did ever get really did it go backwards? Because you're saying you made like big, you had to make some big bonuses with a needle to hold on to the the insulin that was in your pump? And did it at the end? Does it trail away again? Or no?

Katie 36:01
No, I mean, the resistance was there throughout all of third trimester, I would say the second trimester, I would go like back and forth, you know, like Daniel mentioned, and I did read her book, the timeline and pregnancy, which is really helpful, because it does talk about how every week, like your body changes, your, you know, embryo, like is changing. And, you know, it gets into a fetus and all those hormones. And so it was like, you nail it by Friday. And by Monday, it's like a whole new ballgame. Like it was constantly changing. But sometimes I would not need as much insulin for meals. So it's just a constant guessing game. And then hope you get it right, which most where I normally did. And then of course, the fighting with my Endo, because she was like, you're having too many loads. I'm like, Okay, but what was she called? So I mean, I wouldn't drop down to like 55. But I would also catch it before, like, I would catch at 60. So it goes down to 55. And then like a few minutes later is back up. And I try to explain to her like, because of my CGM because of the alerts, like, I know this is happening, and I much rather have this low, then fight with the high that's not going to come down, especially with business systems. And, you know, my lowest latency throughout pregnancy was 4.9. And I was so proud of myself. And of course, I just get like this look at disapproval from her. She's like, so many lows and like, it's just like, you want to be like happy and you want somebody to like be like, good job. And then they just say like, Oh, that's too good.

Scott Benner 37:37
So I started off by saying we should, we should get the entire staff up to the level of the doctors, but we should get the entire staff up to the level of somebody who wouldn't make you feel bad for getting a 4.9 a one C while you're pregnant. It's

Katie 37:50
good for you. Yes. And no, there's liability isn't like she probably doesn't want me to be like, she probably knows like, oh, shit, what football she doesn't really know me like, Max in the past few years. Like how much time she spent with me maybe 45 minutes. There are all of my appointments because they barely last five to 10 minutes. So she doesn't know if I'm somebody who's like, Oh, I'm going to push it even farther because of how well I'm doing it. So she's, you know, trying to err with caution. But yeah, I think one of the things that was like, kind of rewarding. And then also like disappointing, same time was in the hospital, which we can talk about the whole labor and delivery thing, too. I had not her on staff as yendo. But somebody from our office, and the other adult came to talk to me. And she was like, Yeah, Dr. Smith, she says you're a rock star patient. And I was like, well, she never told me that. Like, that would have been nice encouragement.

Scott Benner 38:45
All I heard was, well, how much of that do you think is that's what you heard? I not just that turned around for a second. If she thought you were a great patient, but you feel like all she did was tell you what you were doing wrong. Is that? Is there some blame on both sides?

Katie 39:01
Maybe but I mean, honestly, I think like I said, I barely spent any time with her in the appointment. So like there wasn't a lot of like pep talk, like you're doing great, keep it up. And then I would send in my blood sugar weekly for her nurse, and team to like analyze. And that was a frustrating part too, because then they would come back with suggestions on like, how to correct my ratios and whatnot. I'm like, but all you did was look at my graph. Like there was no questions about why this high happened, what I was doing beforehand, how long did I Pre-Bolus Or they look at the lows and like, well, you're lower on this time I'm like, okay, that's because I Pre-Bolus too long. And then but you see it goes immediately right back up and then starts to go high because of my meal. And so there's just so much elements missing that like I personally do, based on like, you know, Jenny's book and like the podcasts and just like what I just have learned Throughout this whole journey, but I was like, You're not really telling me anything like, yes, you're talking, checking off that you're looking at my numbers weekly. But if I would have gone based on your suggestions solely alone, I would not have achieved they went to that I did.

Scott Benner 40:13
Yeah, I understand. Is it? Here's my question, is it harder to be a type one while you're pregnant? Or to be a type one while you have a newborn?

Katie 40:28
Harder in different ways, because while pregnant, it's definitely so much more focused on achieving those really great blood sugars. Now, it's like, okay, well, if I'm high for a couple hours, like, yeah, it's not great, but like, you know, only harming myself right now, I know, it won't be like this forever, once I get back into a pattern in a routine. And then while pregnant, like I mentioned, like, you just change constantly. So like, you think, okay, I figured out my ratios, I know how many units I need for this meal. And then next week, you have to double the money to need. And that part is just constant like rework. But being type one with a baby. I'm not as focused on myself. And I think that is, in general for all new moms, not just type one lunch, of course. And so it is harder to be as regimented as I was. Yeah. But I'll get back there.

Scott Benner 41:22
Good. Yeah, I would think that you just don't want, like you said, until you get back into rhythm. You just want to make sure that the rhythm you get into isn't Wait, hold on. Yeah. So we're halfway through the episode. Is this where you told me the baby's name is Scott?

Katie 41:39
No potential middle name, but it didn't work out.

Scott Benner 41:43
Don't worry. I'll live.

Katie 41:45
No, his name is Miles. That's a good name. Yes. Thank you.

Scott Benner 41:51
And the baby noises he's making are so cute. They are pretty cute. There are many men whose wives listen to this show. We're gonna get lucky tonight because of this.

Katie 42:03
Yeah, I know. It's like, if forget, like how cute they can be when like, it's the middle of night and they're screaming and you get peed on and everything. And then I'll look back on my phone of like the 1000s of photos I already have of him. Like you are adorable.

Scott Benner 42:17
keep flicking so you don't remember that you smell like pee. That's a good idea. I watched cola throw up in Kelly's mouth once? Oh, gosh.

Katie 42:29
I know it's gonna happen. Yeah. Thankfully, knock on wood. He hasn't been too much of the spit up, baby. But no changes. didn't stop

Scott Benner 42:37
him from you know, doesn't stop them from saying this stuff that uh, that you're like, Oh, I can't believe you would say that. I've dedicated my entire life to keeping you happy. It's a fool's errand making a baby. But congratulations. I'm just teasing. You're fine. It'll be it'll

Katie 42:53
be I can't turn back now. Be a little complicated.

Scott Benner 42:58
back now. My gosh, if you ever hear teachers say that, like, you know that they know when they have a certain number of teachers, just like one of the kids is like a little psychopath. Like just just by sheer numbers. You know, you're just it's funny we talked about earlier about your brain, like negotiating with like, Oh, I'll take type two, please. You know, right. Wait a wait, oh, five years from now. We're just like, I hope I don't have the weird kid. I hope I don't have the weird kid.

Katie 43:24
That we had that moment. Right away in the middle of room. We're like, oh, man, we ended up with an ugly one. You know, they come out like real squirmy looking and like, we're just like, Oh, I just hope he's cute. And like, everyone always says your baby's so cute. But no one's gonna say you have an ugly baby. And we were just afraid that we would have a baby only parents who love and turns out he actually was pretty cute.

Scott Benner 43:45
I just tried so hard to hold my laugh. And I wonder if you can if you listen closely, if you'll hear me under my breath, like cracking up. Because their brains that you know, their little heads come out. Yeah, they're not quite the shape. They're gonna be after the little soft part. Except I'm not a doctor. You understand. But they come out a little squish. Because you're huge. And I don't mean to use a technical term here. It's not the size of it.

Katie 44:13
Oh, yeah. And then covering gunk and everything. And

Scott Benner 44:16
oh, yeah. Yeah, it's it's horrible.

Katie 44:21
And I had like a 40 hour labor because I had to be induced being type one. And so I'm so exhausted. It's like almost midnight, and I'm just like looking at him. And I'm like, I feel like I should be crying out of joy. But like I'm just like, looking at him. I'm like, so that's what you look like.

Scott Benner 44:41
All this for that. I'll be done.

Katie 44:45
quickly went away. And that was good.

Scott Benner 44:48
I'm sure you were happy at first. Did you have any postpartum depression?

Katie 44:52
No, not yet. I think I've also I've been taking Zoloft just for my own anxiety. issues prior type one and pregnancy. So I took it throughout my pregnancy as well. And so I think that helps baseline me a little more. I also have heard that like Breastfeeding can kind of taper off postpartum depression. But then once you end up weaning, the hormones change again, and then you can actually be a risk factor again, so she just

Scott Benner 45:23
keep an eye out for it. Yeah, exactly. Oh, okay. Zoloft. You said? Yep. Couldn't take it during the pregnancy, though, right? No, I

Katie 45:32
could. It was actually the one antidepressant that I think is, like recommended if you're going to be on one to take during pregnancy. Interesting. Did your dose change during the pregnancy at all? No, I was already on the lowest dose. And if anything, I probably would have gone up if my needs required it, but I just continued the same dose. And they said the only risk factors for him would that he potentially come out a little more chill. And I was like, Well, I'm fine with that. mean, he might not cry as much for the very first couple days.

Scott Benner 46:06
It gives me a break in the beginning. I'm up for sounds right? Exactly. You are really exhausted when it's over 48 hours. So they induced you, and nothing happened. Yes. So

Katie 46:14
um, it was protocol that type one sonko patch 39 weeks. So on week 39 checked into the hospital of still zero centimeters dilated, my body was not prepared to push out a baby. Like if I didn't have type one and or didn't have to be induced, like I'm sure I would have gone past 40 weeks just because of how not ready my body was. And so they do. I can't even remember all the ones but it's like whatever they try to like soften the cervix. And it stays in for 12 hours. So I check in Monday night, get that next morning, nothing had progressed like still not dilated services and soft enough to like okay, we're going to do another one it is so similar 12 hours. Second one, still not going great. And at this time, I had a nurse I'm pretty sure was training because she had another nurse following her around the whole time. And she made it very uncomfortable for me. Just like pain management wise, because she kind of messed up on this like gel that she is. So my I was in a lot of pain already 24 hours and I had already stopped eating because I had to stop once I checked in I before. So then they were like, Okay, now we're going to do this like pill type thing that they put up your cervix to like those are only four hours. So have a couple of rounds of that. And then finally you start Pitocin Tuesday afternoon after checking in Monday night and then have him at 11:44pm.

Scott Benner 47:54
That's an arduous process. And you think if you just would have waited, he would have just popped out on his own probably at some point.

Katie 48:00
Yeah, I think I would have had like the typical like, Oh, my water broke at home. And after the doctor like

Scott Benner 48:05
I'm not done yet. Yes, you don't need this banana yet. It's got that weird, powdery space. So Wow.

Katie 48:13
It's just like, it was nice to have an induction day because like I could prepare like my parents are able to come into town. And instead of just like, oh, I don't know when this is gonna happen. But I definitely was not a fan of the induction process. Right? And then,

Scott Benner 48:27
yeah, how about afterwards? What was it like? What were your blood sugars like immediately after giving birth.

Katie 48:34
So they definitely went back to pre pregnancy like pretty much right away, because in pre pregnancy, I was more like one to 20 carb ratio. And my Basal dropped back significantly where I was like, almost just stopped getting like I was giving the minimum amount at some points on my Omnipod just like have something going in there. That was just constant up and down. And the so then afterwards, like I'm still in the hospital for like two days, throughout the recovery and everything I'm getting like hospital food, and then I'm on like diabetes protocol where they have to, even though I have my Dexcom they have to check my blood sugar once an hour with a finger prick. And they would only do it before meals I never would do after meals. I'm like, so what's this telling me? And like, in the hospital, I knew that they were not going to like the levels I wanted to be at and so I actually let myself ride higher, just like get myself out of there. I was like, I'm just gonna ride like 120 and there are some meals at like, they would come check it right before it wasn't like 15 to 20 minutes before and I'd be at 140 in the nursery like Oh, good job. They got good number like 140 before a meal. You know, like, I don't think that's good, but like there was just some things I've had to grin and bear and just to get out of there.

Scott Benner 49:53
I'm endlessly fascinated that people give people medical direction based on something random. Somebody told them once and she Like 140 Good job. Yes. And then, you know, are people who don't know? And who sit there and think, Oh, 140 Good job. Good. Yeah, that's good. No,

Katie 50:07
did you and this is before meal, she has no idea what I was after that meal,

Scott Benner 50:11
and the food they feed just so good for you. So that's the other thing.

Katie 50:15
It was bad food. And then they gave me the menu each morning. And so I would like, want all the muffins and carb based stuff because I was like, my insulin needs are hardly anything like Let's carve it up, and it will come back and the piece of paper would say like change for dietary needs. I was like, No, are you telling my dietary needs? Put me on like the diabetic like regimen? So Matt,

Scott Benner 50:37
this and my time, I want to eat a muffin now. And you people are killing people smuggling your food in?

Katie 50:44
Oh, it for sure. I had Pad Thai when I yeah, my husband would go out and get food and everything. And so I definitely ate what I wanted to and controlled and then just was tell the nurses like I gave myself this much insulin.

Scott Benner 50:57
Did anyone pay attention to your Dexcom during the birthing process? Or was it something you used?

Katie 51:03
So I was really adamant going in that I wanted to be in charge of my diabetes care. I was like, I'm here, because you guys are in charge. You're getting the baby out of me. But I'm the one that I want to be in charge of my diabetes care, right. And I talked to my OB, my OB was on board you like I agree, she was like, You should be the one managing it. You're the one with it. 24/7. I'm comfortable that however the hospital policy is that you have to be on insulin drip. And I like was so upset by that. I was like, I do not want to have someone else be in control when they don't know what they're doing. They don't Yeah, exactly. And I talked to my endo who this all is part of the same hospital like center. So like, they all know, the same policies and whatnot. And my endo was not very sympathetic. As far as like, she's like that insulin drip will be fine. Like, she was not trying to like, Oh, let me see if I can write something. So that way you can be in control of this. She kept trying to say like, Well, yeah, you're in control of it throughout the day. But you know, this is like a whole new experience. And like you want to be focused on like labor. I was like, whoa, I'm getting an epidural. So I'm not focused too much on the pain. You know, I think I'll be able to manage this.

Scott Benner 52:14
And it's time to they think you're thinking about your diabetes constantly. You know, like, hey, it's just like,

Katie 52:19
I need to check it. Like every like, my plane then was like every five to 10 minutes, just like check to make sure like, what's the Dexcom saying, like, are we going anywhere. So anyways, I get to the hospital, and I made it very known. I was like, I'm going to be in charge of my Care and Keeping my insulin pump and my CGM on, I even signed documentation saying I wouldn't sue them if something goes wrong. Well, apparently, that did not go over well with the hospital. And they even though I find that they were still very adamant that I needed to be placed on an insulin drip, and have my finger stick every hour, which I was like, Fine, stick my finger every hour. Like, I'm not kind of, like that's inconvenient for me. But I'm not going to say you can't do that. But it was insulin drip I was really concerned about right. And then since I had such a rough 24 hours trying to get some dilation going with all those cervix treatments, I was so exhausted, I had no sleep the entire time. And then a credible amount of pain. And my OB comes in, and she was like, hey, they weren't gonna start the epidural until after Pitocin when it starts to get really bad. She's like, I You're exhausted, you're already in all this pain. Let's start the epidural now. While we continue to wait for your cervix to soften. And Pitocin wasn't gonna start until later that day. She was and I was like, okay, and I felt good. She's like, but if you do this for, like, if I do this for you, we're gonna have to get you into insulin drip because they're not happy about wanting to manage it yourself. And so after 24 hours of no sleep, I just like gave in I was like, fine.

Scott Benner 53:52
You're gonna drug me I'm okay with whatever you say, Yeah,

Katie 53:55
I was like, fine. I was like, I'll she was like, you'll still have your Dexcom on to like, and you'll know what your sugars are. And I actually had a really great team of nurses for the actual delivery, not minus a nurse, I mean, all the pain in the beginning. Where she everytime she did a finger stick and we'll plug it into. So it's called a glue come. Glue commander is the system they called it. I'm not sure if this is in other hospitals. But it's the insulin drip that actually has a drip of glucose in it too. So she would once an hour type in what my blood sugar was, and then it would give a reading of what the Basal should be. And so she knew how stressed I was about this giving over that control. So she would always tell me, she's like, it's telling me I should adjust you from point three to point four. And I would look at my Dexcom and I would like that's the exact same adjustment I would make. So I felt comfortable like she would like not necessarily confer with me that was the right thing to do because I think she would have done whatever it said. The fact that she was like allowing me to be part of it, and then it ended up working really well where I was Within 10 points of 100, the entire time I was like, oh, an active labor,

Scott Benner 55:04
you were like, give me the glue commander forever.

Katie 55:07
Yeah, and I think I've heard you mentioned on a podcast before that. The next like, evolution of pumps are probably going to be like a little bit of a blue strip too. Because when you start to go low, instead of needing to, you know, have a juice box, if it just puts in a little glucose in for you, like it can keep you really steady. And that's basically what this machine did. So I hated to admit, in the end that I was like, happy with it and would do it again. Because I put so much time into like, I told myself, I take this

Scott Benner 55:38
home with me. Yeah.

Katie 55:40
But like it was given the same Basal rates that I would have suggested, based on, you know, how I've been managing. So

Scott Benner 55:47
I'd say first out, I actually just looked it up. It is a, it's a medical device. It's a whole system. Really kind of fascinating. Yeah, you should have probably shut up and taking that, like,

Katie 55:59
I know that I could have gone through all that, like not having to stress and

Scott Benner 56:03
say, Look, I want to take care of this myself, in case unless you have the, by the way, the name is just, I, I'm looking at the name of this thing. And the person who named this must have just been in geek heaven when they came up with it. Because it's G Liu. Commander, it's glue. Yeah, Commander. They must have been so pleased with themselves. They're like, Oh, well call the glue command, or it'll be amazing. But now that's I'd never heard of that before. That's pretty amazing. And yeah, there are places working on pumps that are, you know, considered dual chamber that have insulin and glucagon. I think that. I mean, I don't know anything, meaning nobody's told me something that you don't know. But I think the advent of stuff like GE voc, you know, right, the gun that it's liquid stable is a big step towards that. Because I know that years ago, they tried this with the glucagon that was available on the market, and it didn't last and the pumps had degraded too quickly. So now that it won't degrade. Will people start looking into it more? I mean, maybe I still don't understand about the delivery of it if I'm being honest. But it's got to be worth people looking at.

Katie 57:16
Like, yeah, I wonder what they use this machine at the hospital? Yeah. What if it was just like a glucose like, drip? In general? That was hooked up there. But

Scott Benner 57:27
yeah, they that might have just been giving you glucose and insulin. Well, yeah, it plus it. They're, they're mainlining it to you. So it's way, way more efficient. They're probably using a smaller amounts to move you around. That's really, listen, cool. I'm glad people are working on things. And I'm glad you had a good time. But I understand you want to be in charge of it yourself?

Katie 57:50
Yeah, yes. I mean, you know, I feel like, especially like, everyone who listens to your podcast part of the Facebook group, I know that we all feel like we're a lot more empowered in educated within our own diabetes, routines and regiments, that it's just so hard to like, surrender that sometimes when, especially when you have experiences where like, oh, 144 That's a good blood sugar right before your meal or your 4.9 while you're pregnant, uh, that that's, that's still open agency. So like, you know, let's get some distressed for sure.

Scott Benner 58:24
Katie, I'm going to tell you a secret. Okay. Let's make sure nobody's listening. I think my it's been a couple of years now. So I'm probably okay. But Arden had a little cyst removed from near her fallopian tube, in a person in a procedure that I think, you know, soup to nuts took 35 minutes, I think Arden was only out for about a half an hour. And it took me a couple of nurses had to explain to a couple of different nurses till I hit on one who's like, my friends got diabetes, and then suddenly they're like, yeah, do whatever you want. I've heard those words before. It's very interesting how it worked, you know? But at the very end, I speaking to the doctor, and I was like, Look, this is a automated system, because Arden was using a loop at that point. And I said, it's doing it for like, if it notices her blood sugar going up, it's going to give her insulin, if it notices her blood sugar going down, it's going to take insulin away. Like it's gonna keep her right. She goes, okay. But you know, can you shut that automation off? And I was like, oh, yeah, you can shut it off. I could just give her a constant Basal rate and it won't take away. She goes, let's do that during the procedure. I was like, okay, and then Katie. You didn't I didn't I lied. Yeah. Yes. I was like, a click, click, click click here you go keep this phone near her in the operating room. They put it like this like sealed bag. And they kept her phone near her in the operating room. I said it's, you know, within Bluetooth distance closer, the better. You know, and I even showed them on the screen. I was like, if this gets read, it's not connected. Get it closer to this, you know, I showed him where the Dexcom was the whole thing. But yeah, I left that out. Great. have them run. And for sure her blood sugar was terrific during that.

Katie 1:00:03
So well that's like basically what I would do when I had my weekly blood sugar check in for the endo office, they'd be like, Oh, you're high round here, change this phase over to this. And I just say, Okay, thanks. And then like, still continue to do what I felt was best.

Scott Benner 1:00:17
When we walked out of the room when they took Arden away. And Kelly and I were like, Let's go downstairs and like, we'll get something that we basically went to the cafeteria and stared at Arden's Dexcom, following pretty much what we did. So we're walking down the hall and the nurses are going one way with Arden, and we're going the other way. And it's very tense, you know, cuz, I mean, it's just a little procedure, but stuff happens, you know, so you're really worried. And my wife goes, um, it was cool of her to leave, you know, to understand the algorithm, everything, and I understand her wanting it to be off, and I was like, I didn't turn off. My wife's like, what do you do? And I was like, it'll be fine. Don't worry about

Katie 1:00:56
that. Because if something did go wrong, you could jumped in and turn it off. Well, no, I guess at that point, you kind of know.

Scott Benner 1:01:03
I saw I did have Nightscout. So I could I could have made adjustments to her Basal if I needed to remote remotely. So I paid

Katie 1:01:11
it. There's a 30 minute procedure you said so wasn't Yeah, I mean, but

Scott Benner 1:01:14
they could have gotten in there. And there could have been like a taco truck in there or something. taking longer, right. And did I do the wrong thing? In hindsight? Yeah, probably. But you know, like, but during that procedure, her blood sugar tried to rise, and it stopped it. So did I do the right thing turned out to be, you know, if she was gonna be in there longer, I might have tried harder to talk her into leaving it on. And maybe I would have shown her how to shut it off. But this was a half an hour. I was like, I'm rolling the dice here. So yeah, anyway, this is definitely not medical advice. This part. No doctors. No plus, I know nothing. I mean, people listen closely. My senior year of high school, my senior year of high school, I missed 53 days of school. I, I went to work instead of going to school 53 of the seniors. Those days, you probably shouldn't even be listening this podcast. I mean, honestly,

Katie 1:02:13
you may think there's only like 100 and some days of school anyways. Right? Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:02:17
you're probably breaking a law by listening to me. So what do you think of that? So anyway? Is there anything that we have not spoken about that we should have? And will the baby make any more cute noises? Or Is he asleep?

Katie 1:02:28
He's currently asleep. But I can see those eyes like dancing, squint. Yeah, you know, like, they're darting back and forth underneath the eyelids. So no, I think I just really wanted to like, kind of share, like, how my experience was while pregnant. And then especially the labor and delivery because I think that was the thing I was missing the most, like your podcast, and everything is great. I almost wish there was a subgroup for like, pregnant juice boxes. Because I was in some like pregnant, C, type one diabetes Facebook groups, but like, that's not the same information support you get from the juice box community. And so I'm really thankful that like, you and Jenny had been doing more episodes about pregnancy. So I could like, use the bold with insulin methods. In this new way, it's great.

Scott Benner 1:03:20
That's very cool. Can I ask you a question? Sure. This miles, I would still have a little white dots on them, or is that gone? white dots. No, you know how their skin looks like little pluck chickens at first, like, Oh, yes.

Katie 1:03:32
And all the baby acne and everything. That's gone. Yeah, for the most part.

Scott Benner 1:03:38
I can't believe your kid Coues weed like curses at you.

Katie 1:03:43
With my husband's mouth, that's gonna be like before,

Scott Benner 1:03:46
baby in the face right now and try to imagine that there will be a day when it looks right at you and goes

Katie 1:03:54
Oh, I know it. Yeah, I've actually told my husband I'm like, Hey, like maybe let's practice not cursing so much around him. So that way when time comes like you don't have to just cold turkey. He was like, I have to cold turkey Kersey and I was like, Well, I'd like him not to have his first words. And

Scott Benner 1:04:11
the first ones the bigger. We made the we I made the decision that I wasn't going to change and Kelly was like, You should not be cursing in front of the kids. And I was like, but I love the curse so much, Katie, it's hard to put into words.

Katie 1:04:25
I think that's how my husband is too. And like, I mean, to give him credit. Like he is a very respectable adult in a business plays. It's not like he's just around cursing, like he knows how to act and like, so even though he grew up, like, in his family, like probably cursing and he was I don't know if he was allowed to curse or not, but like, he knows how to act. So like you can teach a kid that like you don't just get to talk like this.

Scott Benner 1:04:45
I want everyone every man to listen, listening to hear how we're spoken about. He knows how to act. Like he's almost like, oh, he won't pee on the rug or for only going for an hour. Don't worry about it. He knows what I like listen, I'm not saying that I'm in the grocery store trying To reach the eggs and you're in front of me, I'm like, motherfucker get out of the way. Right? In my mind, I might be thinking, exactly. But no actually being honest. As I get older that goes away to it must be. It must be testosterone.

Katie 1:05:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, not as strong. Like,

Scott Benner 1:05:19
I don't feel like I have to kill, conquer or make something pregnant anymore. Like, it's a much cheaper way to be. You just given up a little more, even a give up. It's just like, you don't have these desires to do. Okay, those things like I, you know, I but I can definitely see how people might start talking about you need to find other things to do with your time. Some hobbies? Well, because do you want to be depressed for a second? Katie? I mean, you've got off going, you can handle Yeah. So I'm done. I'm almost done doing all the things I'm supposed to do. Like from a from a nature perspective, right. Like I, I saw a girl thought she was pretty tricked her into having sex with me made a baby kept the Baby Alive. And now you know, more, more, more up to date terms. I'm paying for college, supporting them as they figure things out. Like there's going to be a moment, right where Cole's 21 Like, it's probably going to happen in the next, I'm guessing four years, where he's just gonna, like, have a job and make his own decisions. And when something comes up, he's gonna ask somebody in his life, not me. And Arden's not far behind him. So then what is my purpose after that?

Katie 1:06:39
Well, you wait for the random phone calls you get because I still, I mean, that's true. Like I, once I started, like, my own career, and everything was like, you put on so much less dependent on your parents, but there's still times when like, the dishwasher is broken. You're like, I gotta call my dad.

Scott Benner 1:06:56
That's real world stuff. But I mean, like, Circle of Life stuff.

Katie 1:07:00
Yeah. I'm a grandparent, maybe.

Scott Benner 1:07:03
I don't know what that means. Yeah. I just told you, they're judging everything you're doing. They don't want you. They're gonna be like, Oh, he's gonna screw that kid up. Like, he screwed me up. Exactly what they're gonna think. Yeah, yeah, I, we were so close to calling this Scott makes up a postpartum lady cry, but you you help you handle that pretty well. So I wasn't trying to make as I'm saying, and I was like, I shouldn't be saying this to her. She's probably still flooded with hormones. And I'm like, What's your real purpose? Katie? Aren't you gonna be useless in 20 years?

Katie 1:07:33
I think right now, it's still so far for me to even imagine that, that it's not hitting home yet. Because like, right now, I'm just like, can we get through the night?

Scott Benner 1:07:42
No, I completely understand there's, there's no reasonable way for you to imagine what I'm talking about where you are, if you would have said that, to me, when Cole was three months old, I would not have, I wouldn't be able to conceptualize anything. You were saying I would have thought no, I'm gonna be alive forever. My whole life is gonna take forever, you know? And yeah, it turns out, like, you know, a couple of bad years. Er, and next thing, you know, it's 10 years later, you don't I mean?

Katie 1:08:16
I mean, I understand that I don't understand. Because people would tell me, like, how much changes once you have a baby and like, you know, I wasn't able to picture it. And then it is like this feeling of like, Yeah, nothing could ever prepare you for what changes whenever you become a parent. And so I have no doubt that they'll be plenty more experiences like this as he gets older. That's like, I could not have been prepared for this. Even if you would have told me exactly what was about to happen. Yep,

Scott Benner 1:08:42
you have to absolutely believe that. The passage of time, brings understanding. And that's wonderful. And the passage of time, makes you older, and allows you less time to use your understanding. And that's terrible. Like there are these. Everything in nature is competing, like everything, like we've been joking about it for an hour, but you're gonna love this kid so much, and that kid's gonna know it. And yet, you're going to have conversations where you're like, I don't understand why, why is this even happening? Like, like, Why? Why when your kid hits 22 They suddenly feel like, well, I have to push away from these people a little bit like I have to prove to the world to myself that I can do this thing. And, and as it's happening and it will feel terrible to you. You'll also have this amazing feeling of oh, look, he's becoming independent. Everything's happy and sad at the same time. There's no main line you don't get there's no life heroin, where it's just like pure like, ah, it just, this is probably as close as that comes to that is that baby. So soak it up. It's really really cool. You're gonna like, you're gonna have such an amazing experience and I wish I wish you nothing but excitement and happiness and Hope that kids first words aren't son of a bitch, but they probably

Katie 1:10:04
will be. No, I really appreciate that I am trying to like, take time each day to be like, hey, it's not always fun, but let's enjoy some. Yeah, 30 minutes here and there. The most

Scott Benner 1:10:17
honest and trite words I've ever spoken in my life. And many people speak them as well as it goes by really fast. So you do your best to slow it down, I guess. But try not to slow down the bad parts. Don't let those go by really quick and slow the good parts?

Katie 1:10:34
Yeah, yeah. The 2am Like screamfest right. Yeah, like lacking? Yeah, leave.

Scott Benner 1:10:39
Terrible. Does that happen?

Katie 1:10:42
Yeah, he doesn't like to have his diaper change in the middle of night, which I get but like when you're having a blowout, like it can't really? Yeah, let you sit in it.

Scott Benner 1:10:50
To be honest with you, I've never as an adult food myself in my sleep. But if some lady was to take off my underwear in the middle, and I think that would be fine.

Katie 1:11:00
Maybe frightening if you're still asleep. I'm probably

Scott Benner 1:11:02
thinking of it differently than Myles is too. But yeah, I'm guessing the probably the cold air just hits him It makes him upset I would imagine.

Katie 1:11:08
I think so. Yeah, it's just a startle of like I was asleep and bassinet and I'm on the Champion table. What happens?

Scott Benner 1:11:13
Yeah, no kidding. You flop on up there like a ham like yeah, babies put on themselves. It's great. Oh, yes. All right, Katie, listen, we're gonna end like this. Okay, you never considered even for a second name. I'm Scott once fraid not okay. Never even popped up as a joke.

Katie 1:11:35
No, I did not. But we were stuck on a middle name for a long time, so I shouldn't try to hide it or make it a contender. No,

Scott Benner 1:11:42
no, you should. I just wanted to know seriously if there was a conversation were you ever looked at your husband? When are we under any obligation to name this baby after the guy who made the podcast?

Katie 1:11:54
Yeah, he probably would have you know

Scott Benner 1:11:59
you would think so.

Katie 1:12:02
Yeah, look at us on and be like your name after Amanda. I really have no concept.

Scott Benner 1:12:07
Dog my last name so to that person. Ah,

Katie 1:12:11
that's a good name for a dog close enough.

Scott Benner 1:12:13
I take it I'm done. Yeah, I'm done pushing for these babies. I just really wanted to I seriously, as crazy as it sounds. I just wanted to know if even in passing You were ever at a restaurant you're like you want to name is Scott. If the guy on the podcast he asked about him all the time. And so I'm glad it didn't by the way it shows good mental health on your part.

Katie 1:12:30
Yeah, I don't have some like, what's a syndrome whenever you're kidnapped? Oh, I think the way you like when you like fall in love with her kidnapper type of deal.

Scott Benner 1:12:46
Yeah, I have to Google because my brain just went blank. Hold on. Oh, what's it called? As soon as it pops up, I'm gonna feel stupid for not knowing. Stockholm Syndrome.

Katie 1:12:59
Sakuma syndrome. Yeah, I'm talking to him with this podcast, I need a name

Scott Benner 1:13:03
is a condition in which hostages develop a psychological bond with their captors during captivity. This term was

Katie 1:13:09
I'm listening to you several hours a week. So it might work?

Scott Benner 1:13:15
Should I start like whispering like commands in between words? Do you think that would work? You never

Katie 1:13:19
know. I mean, you do have quite the power if you ever tried to change it.

Scott Benner 1:13:25
Let's try it here. Katie, US residents with type one or caregivers or caregivers of type one sugar to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juice box and fill out the survey. There you go. I just did that because I get paid for that. I'm just kidding. I also think it's a really great. I let me be clear now that I said it out loud. And we all know I'm not going to edit anything out. I think that the Wendy exchange is really, really amazing organization. And I do want more people to add their data to it so that better decisions can get made for people. Look how quickly I got serious. So better decisions could be made for people with type one. But I do get money when you do.

Katie 1:14:00
I've done it. I want it registered. So I support it.

Scott Benner 1:14:05
You bought me lunch? I appreciate I did. Thank you. We haven't missed anything.

Katie 1:14:11
I don't think so. This is great. I can't wait to hear where you drop the ads throughout this podcast.

Scott Benner 1:14:18
No, you're a listener. Oh yeah, definitely you care. Like I the one I put up today with Chris Dudley.

Katie 1:14:25
So I just started it started automatically playing after my last podcast. I was like maybe not listened to a podcast before interview you know?

Scott Benner 1:14:34
I'm gonna do what he did. But I I asked him what it was like to play with Michael Jordan right before the ad. But I let him answer a little bit before the ad played. And as I was finishing making the ads I said aloud on the on the recording. I was like, There's no way anybody thought I wasn't going to cut him off as soon as I asked the question, but I was like, Sure it seemed mean. So yeah, I I'm a product of the the 80s. I know about cliffhangers. I once had to wait an entire summer to find out who shot Jr. So what do you think of

Katie 1:15:04
that? Yeah. Now Netflix

Scott Benner 1:15:07
is the words that are meaningless to you and most people listening. But hopefully, we'll see that pop up on Google who shot Jr. People will be like, what does that mean? Yeah, anyway, go find out. Also, I wish it had anything to do with your episode because I would totally call the Episode Who shot Jr. But instead I'm leaning towards stuff like it took miles and miles to ripen Katie surface. It's gonna work out but the words cervix ripening are the least attractive words I've ever heard in my entire life. Yeah, you're right. And I imagine they are to you too. Now that you have context for what it means. For sure. Oh, my God. All right. Well, I'm gonna let you go so that we don't start talking about putting a pill in your vagina? Yes.

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