#1727 Bolus 4 - Applesauce

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Scott and Jenny discuss how to bolus for applesauce.

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Scott Benner (0:00) Hello, friends, and welcome back to another episode of the Juice Box podcast. (0:14) In every episode of bolus four, Jenny Smith and I are gonna take a few minutes to talk through how to bolus for a single item of food. (0:21) Jenny and I are gonna follow a little bit of a road map called meal bolt. (0:26) Measure the meal. (0:28) Evaluate yourself.

Scott Benner (0:29) Add the base units. (0:30) Layer a correction. (0:32) Build the bolus shape. (0:33) Offset the timing. (0:34) Look at the CGM.

Scott Benner (0:36) Tweak for next time. (0:37) Having said that, these episodes are gonna be very conversational and not incredibly technical. (0:44) We want you to hear how we think about it, but we also would like you to know that this is kind of the pathway we're considering while we're talking about it. (0:51) So while you might not hear us say every letter of Miele Bolt in every episode, we will be thinking about it while we're talking. (0:58) If you wanna learn more, go to juiceboxpodcast.com/meal-bolt.

Scott Benner (1:04) But for now, we'll find out how to bowl us for today's subject. (1:10) While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juice Box podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. (1:18) Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. (1:29) Applesauce.

Jenny Smith (1:31) I brought a whole bunch of applesauce to Florida.

Scott Benner (1:34) You brought applesauce to Florida?

Jenny Smith (1:35) Well, I shouldn't say we brought it to Florida. (1:37) So we, as I've told you before, we like, if we're gonna be on vacation to save money and just be more economical

Scott Benner (1:45) Yeah.

Jenny Smith (1:45) Especially at parks, which are just expensive. (1:48) Right? (1:48) We order in from Amazon Right. (1:50) Whatever cart or whatever it's called fresh. (1:53) And so one of the things we order was applesauce because it's easy for both me in terms of carrying it around as well as for the boys.

Jenny Smith (2:02) They love applesauce.

Scott Benner (2:03) Nice. (2:03) So I'm gonna guess it wasn't Mott's applesauce, though, which is the one I'm looking at.

Jenny Smith (2:07) It wasn't. (2:08) It was an organic unsweetened

Scott Benner (2:12) Organic, unsweetened applesauce. (2:14) You're ruining applesauce, Jenny. (2:16) Well, why doesn't it have to

Jenny Smith (2:17) be sweetened? (2:17) It's got natural it's got natural sugar. (2:19) It's just like eating an apple that's been pureed. (2:21) So would you do you put do you put sugar on your bites of apple slices? (2:26) No.

Jenny Smith (2:26) I'm sure there are some people that do. (2:28) I've got a friend who actually put sugar on her watermelon. (2:30) So you know?

Scott Benner (2:31) Wait. (2:31) You have a friend who sugars their watermelon?

Jenny Smith (2:33) Yeah. (2:34) Don't ask.

Scott Benner (2:35) Isn't watermelon just sugar?

Jenny Smith (2:37) She doesn't have diabetes.

Scott Benner (2:38) Well, obviously not. (2:40) No. (2:41) Okay. (2:41) Well, what's your organic applesauce called? (2:43) Because you're gonna do one off the shelf one and one Jenny one.

Jenny Smith (2:46) Yeah. (2:47) The organic one, I'd have to look run upstairs to look at

Scott Benner (2:51) apple sauce. (2:52) Maybe I can find it. (2:53) I don't need you to run around. (2:54) Is it Thrive? (2:56) Is it

Jenny Smith (2:57) not Thrive. (2:58) It is Nature So if I get it well, one, if I get it at, like, Costco has just a plain applesauce that's organic, which is usually what I get for, like, lunch boxes and stuff for the boys.

Scott Benner (3:09) I'll find out.

Jenny Smith (3:09) But the one that I usually get is it's a brand name, and it's not Mott's. (3:15) It's like a green they usually have, like, the Gogo. (3:19) I think it's the Gogo brand.

Scott Benner (3:20) Well, I mean, I'm looking at the one from

Jenny Smith (3:23) Yeah. (3:23) The Gogo Squeeze.

Scott Benner (3:24) Oh, Gogo Squeeze?

Jenny Smith (3:26) The Gogo Squeeze organic applesauce packets. (3:28) Yes.

Scott Benner (3:29) Well, I have to say this. (3:30) That's an awesome name for a product.

Jenny Smith (3:33) There you go.

Scott Benner (3:34) Go Go Squeeze.

Jenny Smith (3:35) Yeah. (3:36) And some of them come with applesauce that has spinach in it or applesauce that's blended with, like, peaches and kale and or cinnamon or, you know, that kind of stuff so you can kinda be sneaky Really? (3:49) With your kids and sneak a little bit of extra something in that they don't know is there.

Scott Benner (3:54) I wouldn't have thought that.

Jenny Smith (3:56) But in general, I expect unless the mozz is sweetened that you're looking at, I'd expect similar impact from whatever brand of organic fancy pants, you know, with apple pie.

Scott Benner (4:10) Fancy pants. (4:11) Well, I'm gonna start with the mozz. (4:12) Right?

Jenny Smith (4:13) Cool.

Scott Benner (4:13) Okay. (4:14) So I'm gonna measure this meal up. (4:15) Total fat, none. (4:16) This, of course, always, amuses me because sugar gets stored as fat later. (4:22) And I I love when high sugar things are like, there's no fat in it.

Scott Benner (4:25) Awesome. (4:25) Thanks.

Jenny Smith (4:26) But if you eat the whole carton?

Scott Benner (4:27) You'll find some eventually. (4:28) No sodium. (4:29) That's good that they didn't think to have to put salt into applesauce. (4:33) Carbs, now this is a it's a pouch. (4:35) So we're sticking with

Jenny Smith (4:36) this Is it, like, three ounce pouch?

Scott Benner (4:39) 90 grams. (4:40) How many ounces is that?

Jenny Smith (4:43) Granny grams, I think that's three ish ounces if I remember because I think that's the average size pouch of apple sauce is three ounces, I think, 90 grams.

Scott Benner (4:51) Okay. (4:52) Yeah. (4:52) Because the the GoGo Squeeze is 3.1 or no. (4:57) The Kirkland. (4:58) Hold on a second.

Scott Benner (4:59) So, yeah, I'll get to that in a second. (5:01) Dietary fiber, one gram. (5:02) Total sugars, 14 grams. (5:04) Added sugar, Jenny, seven grams. (5:06) So, yes, they did sugar the apples.

Jenny Smith (5:08) The moths has added sugar besides the natural apple sugar?

Scott Benner (5:12) Yes. (5:12) They've got the moths, and they've got seven grams of sugar. (5:15) Potassium, seventy milligrams. (5:17) Vitamin c, nine milligrams. (5:19) So this is a great one.

Scott Benner (5:21) Right? (5:21) Because Mhmm. (5:22) These are this is a grab and go treat, I would imagine, for kids. (5:25) They probably and they probably don't just grab it. (5:26) They grab it and they, like

Jenny Smith (5:28) Squeeze it down. (5:29) I mean, it's in in it's in within not even fifteen seconds. (5:33) It's sucked down. (5:34) Yes.

Scott Benner (5:34) Okay. (5:35) Alright. (5:35) So, yes, three point one seven ounces in the pouch. (5:39) Do you use applesauce for Lowe's?

Jenny Smith (5:41) Applesauce, I like for Lowe's.

Scott Benner (5:43) Yeah.

Jenny Smith (5:44) I do.

Scott Benner (5:45) On the go or all the time?

Jenny Smith (5:46) No. (5:47) They're more of an on the go. (5:48) They're things that I like, when I had a stroller for children, just a while ago, they were easy to keep in the zip because they didn't have to be refrigerated. (5:58) They could sit there, you know, for a week or two without getting gross. (6:02) They don't have unless you've opened it.

Jenny Smith (6:04) Right? (6:05) And then I usually keep it in, like, my backpack if we go biking or something like that because it is an easy thing to use, and it's not quite as fast as some of the more fuel, like, gels and goos and that kind of thing. (6:18) Mhmm. (6:19) But, again, in exercise, applesauce helps me to catch without a really quick hit. (6:25) So it's not as quick as dextrose or glucose or candy by far.

Jenny Smith (6:31) But if you're just trying to stop a slide down, applesauce can work pretty well.

Scott Benner (6:36) Yeah. (6:36) You I know, just realized how many things I don't understand because I don't understand why applesauce doesn't need to be refrigerated.

Jenny Smith (6:43) The packaged pouches don't have to be refrigerated because of the way that the apples are processed. (6:49) They're they're cooked essentially to make them into applesauce. (6:52) Right?

Scott Benner (6:52) Right.

Jenny Smith (6:53) And then it's it's almost like the pouches are a they're a contained bacteria free environment until you actually open it.

Scott Benner (7:02) I wonder if

Jenny Smith (7:03) they Once opened, then they would have to be refrigerated.

Scott Benner (7:05) I wonder if they pasteurize applesauce.

Jenny Smith (7:08) I would guess they probably do. (7:11) I mean, they're not really canning it. (7:14) Like, my mom used to, when I was little, make canned applesauce. (7:18) She canned everything. (7:19) She still does.

Jenny Smith (7:21) Dill pickles. (7:22) I don't get store bought dill pickles because my mother still makes canned pickle.

Scott Benner (7:26) What so your mom grows the cucumbers. (7:28) This is getting away from applesauce. (7:29) Grows the cucumbers, brings them in, and cans them, and then turns them into pickles?

Jenny Smith (7:34) Oh, yes. (7:35) Yes. (7:35) She doesn't grow most. (7:36) I mean, most of them, she buys actually at the farmer's market, or she knows farmers around the area, and so she gets the the canning pickles.

Scott Benner (7:43) Okay.

Jenny Smith (7:44) I mean, my mom doesn't can, like, two two jars of pickles.

Scott Benner (7:47) How old is your mom?

Jenny Smith (7:49) She's in her seventies.

Scott Benner (7:50) She's in her seventies? (7:52) Alright. (7:52) I like it. (7:53) Jenny's mom is pickled.

Jenny Smith (7:55) And sauerkraut. (7:56) Oh my god.

Scott Benner (7:57) That's probably good.

Jenny Smith (7:59) Sour my mom's sauerkraut. (8:01) Everybody wants my mom's sauerkraut. (8:03) It is fantastic.

Scott Benner (8:04) I actually I I love sauerkraut.

Jenny Smith (8:06) So anyway

Scott Benner (8:06) Only one in the house. (8:07) That's not the point. (8:08) By the

Jenny Smith (8:08) way only one in the house.

Scott Benner (8:09) Yeah. (8:09) Nobody else will eat it. (8:10) Also, applesauce is pasteurized. (8:13) But let's get back to bolusing for this pouch. (8:16) So Yes.

Scott Benner (8:17) Here we go.

Jenny Smith (8:18) And, we're bolusing for it in an environment of just eating the applesauce. (8:23) Correct?

Scott Benner (8:23) The applesauce. (8:23) Yeah. (8:24) Okay. (8:24) But we'll talk about it in a second in another way. (8:26) But so you measure the meal.

Scott Benner (8:28) We've got 16 carbs. (8:30) Evaluate yourself. (8:31) I mean, let's say the kid's getting ready to, I don't know, just running through the house. (8:36) Right? (8:36) Like, mom, I'm hungry.

Scott Benner (8:37) You're like, and they grab an applesauce thing. (8:39) Blood sugar's where it is, one twenty. (8:41) We're gonna add up the the carbs. (8:42) Right?

Jenny Smith (8:43) Right.

Scott Benner (8:44) We're gonna do our base units, figure out what we need. (8:46) One if we're one to 10, it's 1.6 for the applesauce.

Jenny Smith (8:50) Right.

Scott Benner (8:51) And, I mean, this one I find interesting because I think of it as a grab and go in this situation. (8:57) So you're not gonna get a pre bolus out of anybody. (9:00) No one's gonna grab their applesauce pouch and then be like, I'll wait fifteen minutes for this. (9:06) It's just not happening. (9:07) Right?

Scott Benner (9:07) What do you do? (9:08) You just pop it in there and hope for the best, or would you over bolus it a little bit?

Jenny Smith (9:13) Well, you know, the interesting thing is that apples turned into applesauce

Scott Benner (9:18) Mhmm.

Jenny Smith (9:19) Without sweetener don't actually have a very high glycemic index.

Scott Benner (9:25) Not much of a kick to it.

Jenny Smith (9:26) So there's technically not much of a kick. (9:29) But, again, eating it in its own space and not really prebolising, you're gonna get a little bit of a hit from it compared to having some time for prebolus. (9:42) But it's going to be gentle compared to sitting down to, as I said before, like watermelon or pineapple or any of the tropical fruits have a much higher glycemic index.

Scott Benner (9:52) Mhmm.

Jenny Smith (9:52) So applesauce, you can probably get away with a little bit less of that concern about a really big huge spike. (9:59) And, if your insulin dose is correct, meaning your ratio is correct, then, sure, your blood sugar might go up, but it's going to come back down. (10:08) It's gonna respond pretty quickly. (10:10) You're not eating anything else with it, so you're gonna get an up and a down and then even it out.

Scott Benner (10:15) I think Mott's applesauce, if I'm seeing this correctly, might have high fructose corn syrup in it.

Jenny Smith (10:22) I was gonna ask about the added because you said there are added sugars, seven grams of added sugar.

Scott Benner (10:28) Yeah. (10:28) They're not very forthcoming on the website.

Jenny Smith (10:31) And if that's the case, then this type of applesauce would likely have a faster hit because it's got added sugar, not just natural apple sugar in it.

Scott Benner (10:42) They do have a real apple promise on the website.

Jenny Smith (10:45) Oh.

Scott Benner (10:46) Yeah. (10:46) That's nice. (10:47) But but they're not gonna make it easy for you to find out what's in that applesauce. (10:51) Hold on a second. (10:52) That's interesting.

Jenny Smith (10:53) Well, that's gotta be on the back of the box.

Scott Benner (10:55) Mott's applesauce ingredients, very rare product, but the classic variety typically includes oh, yeah. (11:00) I'm we're gonna have to do the Amazon thing again because their their websites this is pretty common, by the way, I'm finding while we're doing this.

Jenny Smith (11:07) Are hard to find the actual?

Scott Benner (11:09) Yeah. (11:09) On purpose, it seems like. (11:11) So it it really does feel like they don't want you to be able to find too easily what's going on, but Amazon gives you the back of the box usually. (11:20) There it is. (11:23) Apples, high fructose corn syrup.

Jenny Smith (11:25) Good call.

Scott Benner (11:26) Water, ascorbic acid, vitamin c processed under the authority of Motz LLP. (11:33) Boy. (11:34) Yeah. (11:34) It's just

Jenny Smith (11:35) The second ingredient is high fructose corn syrup.

Scott Benner (11:37) Yeah. (11:38) Yeah. (11:38) They get right into it. (11:39) The Kirkland brand that you brought up

Jenny Smith (11:43) is The organic one. (11:44) Yeah.

Scott Benner (11:44) It's the Oui. (11:45) Yeah. (11:45) Same size, 3.17. (11:47) Who knew there was an exact amount that squeezable applesauce came in? (11:51) I can't believe I'm so happy you said that because I was like, oh, that's crazy.

Scott Benner (11:54) Kirkland puts the thing right the thing the nutritional facts right on here. (11:58) Organic apples, ascorbic acid to protect color. (12:02) That's it. (12:02) There's apple.

Jenny Smith (12:03) What ascorbic acid is. (12:05) Right? (12:05) No. (12:06) Vitamin c.

Scott Benner (12:07) It's oh, yeah. (12:07) I do know that. (12:08) Why did I say no? (12:09) That's ridiculous.

Jenny Smith (12:09) Like, usually it's actually I mean, you can do the same thing in terms of protecting the color as well as more of a preservative

Scott Benner (12:16) Mhmm.

Jenny Smith (12:17) With just adding, like, lemon juice. (12:19) A lot of people who canned fruits will add lemon juice because it adds an acidic. (12:23) Ascorbic acid is acidic.

Scott Benner (12:25) I didn't know it did that.

Jenny Smith (12:25) And so it yeah. (12:26) It adds preserves it from turning gross. (12:29) Okay.

Scott Benner (12:29) Here's something interesting for you who care. (12:32) The Mott's applesauce pouch has 90 calories in it. (12:36) The Kirkland organic has 45 calories. (12:38) So you're doubling the calories, doubling the sugar for the most part. (12:42) There's no

Jenny Smith (12:42) And changing the glycemic impact without adding sugars, your again, glycemic index of just applesauce is probably somewhere in the thirties.

Scott Benner (12:51) Yeah.

Jenny Smith (12:52) I as like, maybe. (12:53) But with the ones that have added sugars like corn syrup, you're definitely gonna get a faster hit because almost is it, like, 50%? (13:04) Is it 16 total grams in the Motts?

Scott Benner (13:06) Yeah. (13:07) Well, it's 16 in the Motts, 10 in the Kirkland. (13:09) God, this is making me irritated. (13:12) Because I just remember growing up, like, it was just one of the things that I thought was sweet and healthy, and now I realize it wasn't.

Jenny Smith (13:18) Like, oh, darn. (13:19) I thought I was eating apples when I had that mozz.

Scott Benner (13:21) You mean, I was hoping total carbs in the Kirkland 10, no fiber, eight sugars, no added sugar. (13:29) So this Kirkland's gonna hit completely different than the mozz will.

Jenny Smith (13:31) Mhmm. (13:32) Correct.

Scott Benner (13:33) Okay.

Jenny Smith (13:33) So, again, from an aspect of getting something that you want some nutrition from without a big hit, you're gonna look for the unsweetened applesauce packets rather than the typical Mott's. (13:49) And I don't even know if Mott's has an unsweetened one. (13:52) I I don't know. (13:53) They might. (13:53) I just know the brands that I typically go for, and that's what is on my list.

Scott Benner (13:57) So Mott's no sugar app added applesauce. (14:00) Oh. (14:01) Okay. (14:03) It it lines up with everything. (14:05) Guess, how would it not line up with everything else?

Scott Benner (14:07) It's just freaking apples.

Jenny Smith (14:08) So Right.

Scott Benner (14:09) Yeah. (14:10) It they have a no Motts has a no sugar added. (14:13) They do not add any sugar to it. (14:16) Let's see if I can find it here to see if they've snuck something else into it or maybe not. (14:23) Maybe we're maligning them for no reason.

Scott Benner (14:26) Well, I am. (14:26) You haven't really said anything. (14:28) Cruel.

Jenny Smith (14:29) What's that?

Scott Benner (14:29) I said maybe I'm maligning them for no reason. (14:32) Oh. (14:32) No sugar added applesauce, 50 calories. (14:39) Yeah. (14:39) Well, the carbs are still a little higher.

Scott Benner (14:42) It's interesting. (14:43) And it's still hard to find the ingredients.

Jenny Smith (14:46) The actual ingredient?

Scott Benner (14:47) Isn't that interesting? (14:49) I wonder why they oh, here it is.

Jenny Smith (14:52) Now everybody is going to be in the applesauce aisle.

Scott Benner (14:56) I hope so.

Jenny Smith (14:57) Beaverishly looking at the labels.

Scott Benner (14:59) Hey. (14:59) Which one? (15:00) Apples, water, ascorbic acid. (15:02) So okay. (15:03) So mods does it that way too.

Scott Benner (15:05) And the go go squeeze just for people because we brought it up, 15 total carbs. (15:09) This has fiber in it though.

Jenny Smith (15:11) Mhmm.

Scott Benner (15:11) Three grams of fiber, 12 sugars 12 grams of sugar, no added sugar. (15:18) So, also, I like how I love it when they say things that are obvious. (15:23) Like, it's gluten free. (15:24) I'm like, thanks.

Jenny Smith (15:25) I I know. (15:26) Thank you.

Scott Benner (15:26) Like, taking credit for stuff that's obvious. (15:28) You know what I mean?

Jenny Smith (15:29) Well, and it used to I they don't I don't think they do it as much anymore, but even products like this used to say cholesterol free. (15:35) Yes. (15:35) It it should be cholesterol free. (15:37) There was there was no organ system whatsoever in that apple.

Scott Benner (15:41) Putting grease in there, are you? (15:43) Even kosher. (15:45) Although BPA free, that's interesting for the go go squeeze.

Jenny Smith (15:48) For the in the lining of the product. (15:50) Yeah.

Scott Benner (15:50) Spending a little money on the more money on the package, maybe. (15:53) Does oh, I gotta tell you, Costco, same thing. (15:56) BPA free. (15:58) Whiskap, organic applesauce, 24%

Jenny Smith (16:02) of the One of the reasons I like the the Kirkland is because it's the lowest of any in carbs that I've found Yeah. (16:09) On the market at only 10 grams per packet.

Scott Benner (16:11) I'm gonna grab it next time I'm there and try it. (16:14) Can I just be old for a second and complain about something before we're done? (16:17) Because we're clearly done without Although, the wait. (16:19) Before I get old, what about when I put it on a plate, the way my mom gave it to me? (16:23) A pork chop, mashed potatoes, and applesauce.

Scott Benner (16:26) Green bean.

Jenny Smith (16:27) Pork chops and applesauce. (16:28) Come on. (16:29) You know the Brady Bunch episode.

Scott Benner (16:30) Don't you I'd say that's how we got it. (16:32) It's probably where my mom came up here. (16:33) Yeah.

Jenny Smith (16:34) Pork chops and applesauce.

Scott Benner (16:36) Now I've got the the potatoes are a tough sell on the digestin. (16:40) Putting in the protein in there. (16:42) It's gonna take a little time to break down. (16:43) And then I'm gonna put this high fructose corn syrup applesauce on me, and that changes things. (16:50) Right?

Scott Benner (16:50) Like, that's gonna give

Jenny Smith (16:51) Yes.

Scott Benner (16:51) Yeah. (16:52) So just keep that in mind, I guess. (16:54) Like, you guys have been listening to this long enough. (16:55) You'll be able to figure it out. (16:56) But, like, keep in mind that there's a world where you probably don't think you're putting sugar on something, and you are.

Scott Benner (17:03) And then

Jenny Smith (17:04) And you might be. (17:04) You wonder percent.

Scott Benner (17:05) Yeah. (17:05) You wonder later why. (17:07) Okay. (17:07) Here's my complaint. (17:08) The Kirkland applesauce.

Jenny Smith (17:12) Yes.

Scott Benner (17:12) 3.17 ounces, 24 count, $13. (17:16) I gotta pay $2 for a pouch of applesauce? (17:20) No. (17:21) A doc wait. (17:22) No.

Scott Benner (17:22) 50¢.

Jenny Smith (17:22) They're not that because they're how many are in the package? (17:24) I think it's twenty twenty four in there.

Scott Benner (17:26) Okay. (17:26) Right? (17:27) Yeah. (17:27) I have my number. (17:28) I was thinking it was $24 for for 12 of them, but no.

Scott Benner (17:31) Okay. (17:31) Sorry. (17:31) Okay. (17:32) So that's better. (17:33) I just I'm starting to get mad about what everything costs, I guess.

Jenny Smith (17:36) I know. (17:37) It does. (17:37) It's it's very expensive. (17:39) That's the reason we do a cart, and we have it sent to a hotel room. (17:43) And we pack our peanut butter sandwiches, and we take them into the park or wherever we're traversing on vacation because it's expensive.

Scott Benner (17:51) Right. (17:51) Also, I imagine a half an hour after your kids eat, they're not like, hey. (17:54) Where's the bathroom? (17:55) That cheeseburger is not set one well on me. (17:57) Yeah.

Scott Benner (17:57) Yeah. (17:58) Yeah. (17:58) I hear you. (17:59) Okay. (17:59) Alright.

Scott Benner (17:59) I'm okay with 50¢ for a squeeze bag of applesauce. (18:02) Seems Thank you.

Jenny Smith (18:03) Yay.

Scott Benner (18:13) In each episode of the bolus four series, Jenny, Smith, and I are gonna pick one food and talk through the bolus thing for that food. (18:21) We hope you find it valuable. (18:23) Generally speaking, we're gonna follow a bit of a formula, the meal bolt formula, m e a l b o l t. (18:32) You can learn more about it at juiceboxpodcast.com/meal-bulk. (18:37) But here's what it is.

Scott Benner (18:38) Step one, m, measure the meal, e, evaluate yourself, a, add the base units, l, layer a correction, b, build the bolus shape, o, offset the timing, l, look at the CGM, and t, tweak for next time. (19:01) In a nutshell, we measure our meal, total carbohydrates, protein, fat, consider the glycemic index and the glycemic load, and then we evaluate yourself. (19:12) What's your current blood sugar? (19:13) How much insulin's on board? (19:15) And what kind of activity are you gonna be involved in or not involved in?

Scott Benner (19:18) Do have any stress, hormones, illness? (19:21) What's going on with you? (19:23) Then a, we add the base units. (19:25) Your carbs divided by insulin to carb ratio, just a simple bolus. (19:30) L, layer of correction.

Scott Benner (19:32) Right? (19:33) Do you have to add or subtract insulin based on your current blood sugar? (19:36) Build the bolus shape. (19:38) Are we gonna give it all upfront, a 100% for a fast digesting meal, or is there gonna be like a combo or a square wave bolus? (19:45) Does it have to be extended?

Scott Benner (19:47) Offset the timing. (19:49) This is about pre bolusing. (19:50) Does it take a couple of minutes this meal or maybe twenty minutes? (19:54) Are we gonna have to again consider combo square wave boluses and meals? (19:59) Figure out the timing of that meal.

Scott Benner (20:01) And then l, look at the CGM. (20:04) An hour later, was there a fast spike? (20:06) Three hours later, was there a delayed rise? (20:08) Five hours later, is there any lingering effect from fat and protein? (20:13) Tweak.

Scott Benner (20:14) Tweak for next time, t. (20:16) What did you eat? (20:17) How much insulin and when? (20:19) What did your blood sugar curve look like? (20:22) What would you do next time?

Scott Benner (20:24) This is what we're gonna talk about in every episode of bolus four. (20:29) Measure the meal, evaluate yourself, add the base units, layer a correction, build the bolus shape, offset the timing, look at the CGM, tweak for next time. (20:38) But it's not gonna be that confusing, and we're not gonna ask you to remember all of that stuff. (20:43) But that's the pathway that Jenny and I are gonna use to speak about each bolus. (20:52) The Juice Box podcast is edited by Wrong Way Recording.

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Scott Benner (0:00) Hello, friends, and welcome back to another episode of the Juice Box podcast.

Olivia (0:14) Hi. (0:15) My name is Olivia. (0:16) I'm 29 years old. (0:18) I've lived with type one diabetes since the age of 16, and I'm here to talk about t one d and my life and very excited to be on the show today.

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Scott Benner (1:05) While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the juice box podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. (1:13) Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. (1:29) The episode you're about to listen to was sponsored by Touched by Type One. (1:33) Go check them out right now on Facebook, Instagram, and, of course, at touchedbytype1.org. (1:40) Check out that programs tab when you get to the website to see all the great things that they're doing for people living with type one diabetes.

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Olivia (2:31) Hi. (2:31) My name is Olivia. (2:32) I'm 29 years old. (2:34) I've lived with type one diabetes since the age of 16, and I'm here to talk about t one d and my life and very excited to be on the show today.

Scott Benner (2:44) I'm excited to talk to you, Olivia. (2:45) Thank you for doing this.

Olivia (2:47) Of course.

Scott Benner (2:48) 16.

Olivia (2:50) Yes. (2:50) Sixteen months.

Scott Benner (2:51) How many children did your parents have, and where did you fall in that order?

Olivia (2:55) So I am the youngest of two. (2:57) I have an older brother who is two years older than me. (3:00) Pretty small family.

Scott Benner (3:02) Mhmm. (3:02) Youngest of two because after you got diabetes, they stopped having kids?

Olivia (3:07) Well, not necessarily because of my t one d, but more so because my mom had a very rough delivery with me. (3:15) So I think originally, she was planning on having four. (3:20) Then my brother came along. (3:21) She said, okay. (3:23) Let's make it three.

Olivia (3:24) Then I came, and she said, I'm done.

Scott Benner (3:26) Would you, like, hold onto her spleen on the way out? (3:28) What were you doing?

Olivia (3:30) I mean, I have no idea what I was doing. (3:32) All I know is that it came very fast, and my mom had no kind of, epidural or anything. (3:39) And I was I was a larger baby. (3:41) So, yeah, it was from the sound of it, it was just really rough on her.

Scott Benner (3:47) Oh, I'm so well, I'm sorry for her, but, fun story. (3:49) Like, you know, so you're slip and slide now, what, at, like, nine pounds three ounces or something like that?

Olivia (3:54) Like, nine pounds six ounces, I think.

Scott Benner (3:56) No kidding. (3:57) Oh, wow. (3:57) You were big.

Olivia (3:58) Yeah.

Scott Benner (3:59) So did she have gestational with you?

Olivia (4:01) I I'm not a 100% sure. (4:03) I think I recall her saying before that she might have had gestational with me, which would explain why it was a larger baby, but I'm not really sure. (4:12) She hasn't really, like, talked in detail about it with me. (4:16) Interesting. (4:16) So, yeah, I don't really know.

Scott Benner (4:18) Okay. (4:19) No. (4:19) It's interesting because I think I think you would think that eventually I could remember these things, but I feel like I I feel like people have spoken on here before about gestational, like, making the possibility of your baby having type two later in life greater. (4:35) You should probably look into that, before I say it out loud, but I never I've never heard it, like, connected to type one. (4:40) Doesn't mean it's not.

Scott Benner (4:42) Also, makes me wonder if is your mom, like, a not a very what do I mean? (4:47) Like, not a very open person with stuff like that, or is it just you know what I mean?

Olivia (4:52) It's a good question because I think I don't know. (4:58) Like, I think when it comes to things like that involving her health, she isn't maybe the most open about certain topics. (5:06) And, again, I'm not really sure why, but that's kind of the way that she's been.

Scott Benner (5:10) Yeah. (5:11) So No. (5:11) I mean, I'm not trying to, like I'm not saying anything about her, Jane. (5:14) I'm just trying to figure out like, in my mind's eye, I'm thinking, like, oh, she has a baby. (5:19) Sixteen months later, has type one.

Scott Benner (5:21) You know? (5:22) A year and a half before that, somebody said to her gestational diabetes, you know, blah blah blah. (5:26) Maybe she feels maybe she just feels, I don't know, at fault and doesn't wanna talk about it even though that would be silly if that's not the case. (5:34) You know what I mean?

Olivia (5:35) Yeah. (5:35) I've I've never really thought about it that way, but now it kinda gets me wondering if there is some kind of connection between gestational and t one d. (5:44) Again, I'm I don't really know, but I am interested in finding out more.

Scott Benner (5:47) Right now. (5:48) Don't worry about it. (5:49) I don't

Olivia (5:49) Awesome.

Scott Benner (5:50) Yeah. (5:50) So, yeah, I don't think that's the case. (5:53) And gestational diabetes does not directly cause type one diabetes. (5:55) And to him, no. (5:56) I didn't say caused.

Scott Benner (5:57) I said increased likelihood. (6:00) If our overlord's not gonna pay attention, then what's gonna happen here? (6:05) You're asking gestational diabetes, likelihood not cause of type one diabetes in child. (6:09) The main drivers of type one are genetic. (6:11) Yeah.

Scott Benner (6:11) Thank you. (6:11) Gestational diabetes by itself does not significantly increase the likelihood of type one. (6:15) I didn't think so. (6:17) Large studies show no strong link between maternal gestational, and later type one diabetes. (6:24) Where the impact is clear, children exposed to gestational diabetes in utero have a higher likelihood of obesity, insulin resistance, and type two later in life.

Olivia (6:33) Okay. (6:34) That's interesting.

Scott Benner (6:35) Do you have any insulin resistance?

Olivia (6:37) No. (6:38) I in fact, like, a week or two ago, I noticed that my insulin sensitivity did a sudden jump, I was like, oh my goodness. (6:46) I'm having so many low blood sugars. (6:48) I need to back off on how much insulin I'm taking. (6:51) So it it it's kind of a blessing in disguise, I guess.

Scott Benner (6:54) Well, I for sure it is. (6:56) Let me let's move forward from my pretend supposition that possibly your mom had gestational diabetes. (7:01) Sure. (7:02) So we don't because that would be a weird road to continue down. (7:05) Anyway, I think maybe away from the the more technical parts of that conversation, it just struck me.

Scott Benner (7:14) I wonder if somebody said diabetes to her, and then you got diabetes, she got, like, just, I don't know, sensitive to it maybe.

Olivia (7:23) But I I don't know.

Scott Benner (7:24) That's me guessing still. (7:25) So

Olivia (7:26) Yeah. (7:26) I don't know. (7:27) But, but the the circumstances surrounding my diagnosis were pretty chaotic, actually, from what I've heard my mom share with me.

Scott Benner (7:37) Yeah. (7:37) Tell me what they've told you.

Olivia (7:39) Yeah. (7:40) So, of course, I don't remember anything because I was so young, but this would have happened around Memorial Day when I was a year old. (7:50) And leading up to Memorial Day, both my brother and I were sick with the flu. (7:56) My brother was recovering at a pretty normal rate, and I was taking more time to recover, kinda dragging my feet in recovery. (8:05) Mhmm.

Olivia (8:05) And around that time, my mom and dad were planning to go on a cruise to The Caribbean, and, they were going to leave my brother and me with my grandparents. (8:16) And so leading up to their trip, my mom was pretty worried about leaving me sick with the flu with my grandparents, but they were like, no. (8:24) Go ahead. (8:25) Like, go have fun. (8:26) We'll take care of the kids.

Olivia (8:27) We'll be fine. (8:28) So they left, and they were down in the Caribbean Sea. (8:33) And for context, they live in Michigan, so very, very far away. (8:37) So based on what I understand, I was exhibiting a lot of the classic t one d symptoms, peeing a lot. (8:47) Apparently, I was wearing, like, the strongest absorbency of diapers that you can wear, and I was peeing through those.

Olivia (8:53) I was drinking lots and lots of liquids. (8:57) And so I think I and, again, based on what I have heard, what ended up happening was one night, I woke up in the middle of the night. (9:07) I was asking my grandparents for something to drink. (9:10) And so they got me Kool Aid, which is probably one of the worst things that you can give a non diagnosed type one diabetic to drink, but I was excited about it because it was like, yay, like, more liquids. (9:23) Mhmm.

Olivia (9:23) I can satiate my thirst. (9:26) And after giving me that Kool Aid, I immediately threw it up. (9:29) So

Scott Benner (9:30) I thought you were gonna say you ran through a wall because that would have been awesome.

Olivia (9:34) That would have been hilarious. (9:35) Of course.

Scott Benner (9:36) Like a little baby Yeah. (9:37) Like a little baby sized, you know, hole through the drywall. (9:40) That would have

Olivia (9:40) been great. (9:41) Yeah. (9:42) That would have been amazing. (9:43) But Like, obviously, they, you know, they could tell that something's wrong. (9:47) From what I understand, one of my aunts who works in the medical field was also there, and she was observing what was going on.

Olivia (9:54) So she said to my grandparents, let's take her to I'm assuming they took me to urgent care first.

Scott Benner (10:01) Think there was urgent care thirty years ago.

Olivia (10:04) I think Sorry. (10:05) What was that? (10:05) You said, do

Scott Benner (10:05) you think urgent cares existed thirty years ago?

Olivia (10:10) I did they not?

Scott Benner (10:12) I don't know. (10:15) That seems to me like a am I just so old? (10:19) Oh, yeah. (10:20) Apparently, in the nineteen seventies. (10:21) Oh, how about that?

Olivia (10:23) Well Oh, wow. (10:24) Okay.

Scott Benner (10:24) Sorry, guys. (10:25) My dog's in here today if you're hearing him licking his paw. (10:27) Stop licking your paw. (10:29) The first recognized urgent care centers were started by emergency medicine doctors in 7071

Olivia (10:36) Wow.

Scott Benner (10:37) In Phoenix, Arizona. (10:38) Later in the Midwest and early hubs by the mid seventies urgent care became a defined industry which chains and organizations formed to expand the model. (10:46) In the eighties and nineties, urgent care centers spread widely filling a niche between primary care and today, there are more than 10,000 urgent care centers across The US. (10:55) Okay. (10:55) I'm so sorry.

Scott Benner (10:56) You're the middle of trying to tell me how you got diabetes, and I'm like, wait. (10:59) Did urgent cares exist? (11:00) I'm I it really did strike me that way. (11:02) Anyway, they took you somewhere. (11:04) Right?

Scott Benner (11:04) Because your aunt is a fancy lady, and she went to college, and she knew something. (11:08) Right now,

Olivia (11:08) what happens?

Scott Benner (11:09) Yeah. (11:09) Yeah. (11:09) Good.

Olivia (11:10) Yep. (11:10) So they took they took me to some medical facility, whether if that was an urgent care or a hospital, but, ultimately, whoever we saw first said, you gotta take her right away to the emergency room. (11:23) So they took me to the emergency room, checked my blood sugar. (11:27) It was over 600. (11:29) So I was diagnosed on the spot with type one diabetes.

Olivia (11:33) And meanwhile, both of my parents are thousands of miles away in the Caribbean Sea.

Scott Benner (11:38) Yeah. (11:38) Trying to enjoy a Mai Tai.

Olivia (11:41) And Yeah.

Scott Benner (11:42) You can't just tell the boat to go home because my kid's sick. (11:45) Right?

Olivia (11:46) No. (11:46) So from my parents' perspective, what ended up happening when they're on the ship is so back, you know, almost thirty years ago, there were you know, there was no Wi Fi, no cell service, or anything like that. (12:00) So they put a slip underneath their cabin door saying, call this phone number using the landline. (12:08) And I think it was a slip with some information from the hospital describing what happened. (12:15) Oh.

Olivia (12:15) And when when they got the slip, they were out at sea on that day. (12:20) So, like, long story short, my mom was incredibly shaken up and my my dad too, and they had to wait until the next day when they were in port to get an airplane to fly back to The United States.

Scott Benner (12:34) Oh, I bet you they felt terrible.

Olivia (12:37) Oh, yeah. (12:37) I I'm pretty sure that they did. (12:40) I I don't know how else they would feel.

Scott Benner (12:42) Although, I I wouldn't I should've married a lady like your mom, though, because in a million years, I couldn't have got Kelly to go on that cruise. (12:49) She'd be like the babysitter. (12:50) We're not going anywhere. (12:51) Don't even think she would have left without you. (12:52) As a matter of fact, and this is not a judgment about your parents, but I had friends growing up who once in a while would get left at our house for a week while their parents went on vacation.

Scott Benner (13:02) And I always thought that was strange. (13:06) But I guess that but I learned as I got older, it's pretty it was a pretty common thing that parents don't always take their kids on vacation with them. (13:13) And it's not a thing I knew

Olivia (13:14) about. (13:14) Yeah.

Scott Benner (13:15) Isn't that crazy? (13:16) Because by the way, I didn't go on vacation. (13:17) We were so broke. (13:18) We didn't go we didn't go anywhere. (13:19) We were always together.

Olivia (13:21) Oh. (13:21) Yeah.

Scott Benner (13:22) Yeah. (13:22) It's okay. (13:22) Don't worry. (13:23) Everything worked out. (13:24) So they fly home.

Olivia (13:26) And Yeah. (13:26) They fly home. (13:27) Yeah. (13:28) There was actually a delay in them getting home because so they were flying, I think, from Saint Thomas to Florida Mhmm. (13:35) Where they had, boarded the cruise ship.

Olivia (13:39) On the day that they're flying into Florida, there was a tornado by the airport. (13:42) So there was a delay in that landing, and then they had to get another plane from Florida back up to Michigan. (13:48) So I think it took probably a day or two before they got to me. (13:52) And my mom, when she entered the hospital, she described described it as I was laying in a bed. (14:00) I had an IV in each arm, one with insulin and one supposedly with glucose, I think.

Olivia (14:07) Like, probably a dual insulin glucose strip.

Scott Benner (14:10) Yeah.

Olivia (14:10) And, like, she she was devastated. (14:12) My my dad was too. (14:14) So, yeah, that's that's the story.

Scott Benner (14:17) Olivia, thank god this all happened before cell phone cameras because otherwise, there'd be an incredibly odd photo of your mother super tan with her hair braided holding a very sick 16 year old 16 old baby. (14:28) And it would just Yeah. (14:29) Because people listen. (14:31) Again, I'm not throwing shade on anybody, but, like, I don't get why people take pictures of weird stuff like that all the time. (14:36) Like, but I like, you know what I mean?

Olivia (14:38) People let me get a either.

Scott Benner (14:40) I'm like, I'm in the hospital. (14:41) I don't need a photo. (14:42) I'm good. (14:42) Thanks. (14:43) But Yeah.

Scott Benner (14:44) But but nevertheless, like, oh my gosh. (14:46) That I feel badly for them. (14:48) That's a terrible, like, amount of time to have to spend not knowing, feeling terrible like that, like, you know, trying to travel while your grandparents who, you know, are are trying to stand in for them.

Olivia (15:02) Oh, absolutely.

Scott Benner (15:03) Is that aunt your mom's sister or your dad's?

Olivia (15:05) That's my dad's sister. (15:07) Okay. (15:07) My grandparents are also my dad's parents.

Scott Benner (15:10) Oh, it's even worse for your mom. (15:11) You the baby Yeah. (15:13) The baby was with with his parents while it was happening. (15:16) Oh my gosh. (15:18) If you're married, you know what I'm saying.

Scott Benner (15:20) Anyway, well, okay. (15:21) You lived through it. (15:22) That's awesome. (15:23) Yep. (15:23) What is your earliest obviously, you don't remember much from being 16 old.

Scott Benner (15:27) If you did, would think you were lying. (15:30) You're like, let me tell you what happened, Scott. (15:31) I remember the whole thing. (15:33) But what are your what are your earlier remembrances of having type one? (15:39) Let's talk about the Tandem Mobi insulin pump from today's sponsor, Tandem Diabetes Care.

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Olivia (17:51) Yeah. (17:52) So my earliest memories probably are from when I was three years old, and I remember from the time I was diagnosed all the way up until I was seven, my parents were giving me multiple daily injections. (18:07) And so, like, I I don't remember a whole lot of those instances, but I remember there was one evening where, they were giving me probably Lantus. (18:20) They're giving me a Lantus shot, and, I remember just laying on the floor and saying, like, you know, dad, this hurts. (18:29) And and he said, like, you know, in a joking voice, like, maybe it won't hurt so much if, you know, I chop your leg off.

Olivia (18:37) Like, he was trying to make a joke out of it. (18:39) Awesome.

Scott Benner (18:40) Funny guy. (18:40) And I

Olivia (18:40) was like, oh my goodness.

Scott Benner (18:43) Listen. (18:44) I I'm gonna guess that your dad is, an older school guy. (18:47) My if I would have said something hurt, my dad would have said, why don't I punch you in the arm so you don't feel it anymore? (18:51) I don't know where that common sense came from from that generation, but there it was. (18:56) So Yeah.

Scott Benner (18:56) I'm I'm I'm guessing he was going for one of those jokes.

Olivia (19:00) I I guess so. (19:01) Like a I don't know. (19:02) Maybe a traditional dad type joke.

Scott Benner (19:05) Just not a good one. (19:06) That's all.

Olivia (19:07) Not a good one. (19:08) No. (19:08) Well,

Scott Benner (19:09) your note is very interesting, Olivia, because you kind of laid out something that you wanted to talk about. (19:14) And Mhmm. (19:15) And I I'd like to dig into it a little bit because you're telling me that that having diabetes was a source of strength for you and that it be it came in handy because a number of times through your adolescence and growing up, some rocky things happen. (19:30) So I'd like to first understand how do you characterize a strength that comes from diabetes?

Olivia (19:37) Yeah. (19:38) So I I think a lot of times, I hear that having type one diabetes is just, like, one of the most awful things in the world. (19:47) It and it it it's tough. (19:49) Like, it you know, I think every person living with type one diabetes has better days and other times really rough days. (19:57) Mhmm.

Olivia (19:59) For me being diagnosed at the age of 16, I don't know any better. (20:03) I don't know what it's like to not live with this. (20:06) Yeah. (20:06) So it's always been a sense of normal for me. (20:09) But I think throughout my life, and as I start digging into some of the messier stuff that I've endured, having type one diabetes has always been, like, a source of stability and a constant in my life.

Olivia (20:25) It's been something that I've been able to really take the reins on and do my best managing in the midst of a lot of instability and uncertainty throughout my adolescence and early adulthood.

Scott Benner (20:41) That's interesting. (20:42) So the diabetes is is knowable once you figure it out. (20:47) It's pretty consistent with meaning that it needs you every day, and you feel like that's interesting. (20:56) So you feel like compared to other things that happen in life, you're pretty much in control of how you handle the diabetes?

Olivia (21:02) I like to say that, and I think a large part of that is actually due in part to listening to the diabetes pro tip series. (21:10) I've learned so much just listening through all of those podcast episodes. (21:15) And even though I still have rough days here and there, I think the rough days in general have dropped in quantity, and the good days have increased. (21:27) So

Scott Benner (21:27) That makes me happy. (21:29) Thank you for saying that. (21:30) As you didn't Yeah. (21:30) Absolutely. (21:31) You didn't have to, but that was that was lovely.

Scott Benner (21:33) You made me feel emotional. (21:34) I appreciate that. (21:34) Oh. (21:35) Well, it's early. (21:36) It's good.

Scott Benner (21:37) And I had a I didn't get as much sleep as I wanted last night, so I'm gonna be a little more set so because oh, by the way, because Arden's CGM stopped barking at 5AM.

Olivia (21:46) So Oh my goodness.

Scott Benner (21:47) You know, and I get a text, are there CGMs up here? (21:50) And I'm like, I don't know. (21:53) So I popped up and I I grabbed one and and I tossed it into a room like a hand grenade. (21:58) I was like, here. (21:59) But she was like, wait.

Scott Benner (22:00) Turn the light on. (22:01) And I was like, okay. (22:02) Now I'm involved.

Olivia (22:02) Oh, that's so rough. (22:04) I actually had that happened to me the other night where I had a sensor fail on me at, like, 3AM, and I was laying in bed thinking, okay. (22:12) Do I get up and change it, or do I just go back to sleep and change it in the morning? (22:17) And it was causing me just enough anxiety where I was like, alright. (22:21) Fine.

Olivia (22:21) I'll get out of bed. (22:22) I'll change it and then go back to sleep.

Scott Benner (22:25) Well, I wanna say in fairness to the CGM, I think it might have been Arden were right till the last second and thought it was gonna make it till morning, and it didn't.

Olivia (22:33) Oh, no. (22:34) And then

Scott Benner (22:34) it was making that, I don't know if you do which one you wear, but the g seven makes that like, like, it's a really loud noise. (22:41) I think that's why she was changing it.

Olivia (22:43) Oh my goodness.

Scott Benner (22:44) But the last thing she said is the light went off and she laid back down. (22:47) She I just heard her go, why at 05:00? (22:50) And that was like, and I'm assuming she was asleep before I got back to my bed, but I gotten back in bed, and I did not I wasn't able to fall back asleep right away. (22:58) So Ugh. (22:58) Yeah.

Scott Benner (22:58) It's fine. (22:59) That's rough. (23:00) Yeah. (23:00) Anyway, that makes me more emotional when I'm tired. (23:02) I don't know if that's a thing that happens to everybody or not.

Olivia (23:04) I yeah. (23:05) I would say, you know, when I don't get a lot of sleep, I tend to be more emotional too. (23:09) I I think it's pretty common.

Scott Benner (23:11) Yeah. (23:11) Yeah. (23:11) Here here's a marriage tip for anybody. (23:13) Do not have important conversations later at night.

Olivia (23:16) Oh, yes. (23:17) Absolutely.

Scott Benner (23:18) Do just do not. (23:19) Worst idea in the world. (23:21) Nevertheless, so to keep going with this Mhmm. (23:24) Diabetes is a is a constant for you even though it's not super consistent. (23:28) Right?

Scott Benner (23:28) I I assume it's like the the ocean a little bit. (23:31) Like, sometimes the ocean's calm, sometimes it's choppy, but it's always deep and you can drown in it. (23:36) So it's there's some consistency to it. (23:38) And Yeah. (23:39) Other things in your life have not been as reliable.

Scott Benner (23:43) Is that right?

Olivia (23:44) That's right. (23:45) Yeah. (23:45) Mhmm.

Scott Benner (23:46) What's the first thing that came for you, do you think?

Olivia (23:49) So I think so the first major thing that happened during my life was my parents getting divorced when I was 10 years old. (23:59) But before even that, there was a lot of a lot of moments of tension that I could sense between my mom and dad. (24:06) They didn't really have a happy and intimate marriage with one another. (24:13) Mhmm. (24:13) I remember being a young girl, and my mom would be raising her voice and screaming at my dad for who knows what reasons.

Olivia (24:22) And whenever I heard my mom's voice starting to rise like that, I knew, like, okay. (24:29) It's time to hide either in my bedroom or the basement. (24:32) Time to get out of here and just hide until the storm rolls over. (24:38) So I think a lot of the instability started even before my parents' divorce. (24:44) And I remember several months ago, my mom even sharing an anecdote with me where she told me when I was, like, too young to remember, maybe two years old, she screamed at me so harshly that I vomited.

Olivia (25:01) And so although I don't remember that, I'm pretty sure that my nervous system has Has remembered

Scott Benner (25:07) it? (25:07) Yeah.

Olivia (25:08) Yeah. (25:08) Yeah.

Scott Benner (25:08) What's, what's up with your mom? (25:10) She got, anything going on?

Olivia (25:12) Honestly, I don't really know. (25:15) I think I'm not a 100% sure.

Scott Benner (25:19) Have a guess, Olivia?

Olivia (25:21) Sorry. (25:22) What was that?

Scott Benner (25:22) Do you have a guess?

Olivia (25:24) Well so I've there's been issues between my mom and I over the past few months

Scott Benner (25:31) Oh, I'm sorry.

Olivia (25:32) Where, yeah, where she and I haven't been speaking to one another since mid June. (25:39) And that's a whole other story to unpack probably later on as we carry on with this, but sorry. (25:46) Go ahead.

Scott Benner (25:47) No. (25:47) I don't wanna like, I'm not trying to pick through your life too much. (25:49) I'm trying to figure out is she, you know, undiagnosed thyroid? (25:54) Is she is she, you know, depressed? (25:58) Is she borderline?

Scott Benner (25:59) Does she have, like, some sort of a mental health issue?

Olivia (26:02) So my mom hasn't been diagnosed with any of those. (26:06) Though, over the past few months, I have come to an increasing hunch that my mom could be borderline. (26:15) Mhmm. (26:15) And she seems to exhibit a lot of the DSM criteria for it. (26:20) But, again, I I don't wanna go around just diagnosing her because I'm not a mental health expert.

Scott Benner (26:26) No. (26:26) Yeah. (26:26) Leave that to podcasters. (26:28) You don't wanna do that.

Olivia (26:29) Yeah.

Scott Benner (26:30) No. (26:31) I understand. (26:31) I I I mean, listen. (26:32) It's you know, from a young age, you you remember your mom, like, screaming at your dad. (26:37) You you know, eventually, they got divorced.

Scott Benner (26:39) You know? (26:40) It's a little I I mean, there's some strange stuff in there, like, like, enough for make me wonder. (26:46) You know what I mean? (26:46) So oh, okay.

Olivia (26:47) Yeah. (26:48) Absolutely.

Scott Benner (26:49) But but you're what the the crux of that story is is that a as a child, somebody yelled at you and you vomited from it.

Olivia (26:57) Mhmm.

Scott Benner (26:57) Like, that's pretty drastic. (26:58) Like, either the yelling was drastic or the, you know, the response or maybe the combination of them, I guess.

Olivia (27:04) Yeah. (27:05) And and the crazy thing is that, like, I I don't have any memory of this happening. (27:10) I take my mom's word for it. (27:11) I trust that what she told me is true, but it's yeah. (27:16) I don't know.

Olivia (27:16) It it's weird to think that this happened, I have no recollection whatsoever.

Scott Benner (27:21) You're so nice. (27:22) How old is she?

Olivia (27:23) She is 61. (27:25) Oh, She's 61 years old.

Scott Benner (27:26) That's older than when when people start saying, like, I don't know. (27:29) My mom makes stuff up. (27:30) I don't trust her anymore. (27:32) I

Olivia (27:34) I think my mom is still with it. (27:37) Oh. (27:37) I think she's still very much with it.

Scott Benner (27:39) Yeah. (27:39) No. (27:39) I don't

Olivia (27:40) She might forget things.

Scott Benner (27:41) I don't know if people are always forgetting when they make stuff up. (27:44) I think sometimes it's a little bit of, you know, trying to shine up history a little bit or, you know, it's it's I'm I've I've seen it with other people. (27:52) So Mhmm. (27:53) Yeah. (27:53) Anyway okay.

Scott Benner (27:54) So okay. (27:55) Your mom screamed at you and made you vomit, and your parents and your parents got divorced, but that's probably not the end of it. (28:01) What happened next?

Olivia (28:02) No. (28:02) In fact, I would say that the divorce was really the beginning of a lot of stuff. (28:07) So when my parents got divorced, I was 10. (28:11) And when they drew up their divorce papers, they agreed to share split custody of my brother and I. (28:18) So the way that that looked was we would go stay with my mom for one week, and then we'd go stay with my dad for one week, and then back to mom for a week, back to dad for a week.

Olivia (28:30) And this repeated until I was 16. (28:34) So six years of going from one house to the other. (28:38) Horrible. (28:38) One house to the And it was I I think that living situation so at first, being 10 years old, I was innocent, and I thought, great. (28:49) I get to see mom and dad for the same amount of time versus, like, my mom or dad taking full custody of us.

Olivia (28:56) So at first, was happy about it, but as time went on and my brother and I were going back and forth constantly between each house, I started I think, like, around the age of 12, I started developing some form of depression. (29:15) I I remember back during that time having some subtle suicidal thoughts. (29:21) Like, you know, I wish I wasn't here. (29:23) I never acted on any of these, though.

Scott Benner (29:25) Did you ever have a plan did you ever have a plan?

Olivia (29:28) I never had a plan. (29:30) I never really thought about carrying out anything.

Scott Benner (29:34) Right.

Olivia (29:35) But I just remember thinking, like, I wish I was dead.

Scott Benner (29:39) Well, the

Olivia (29:40) back of 12.

Scott Benner (29:41) I mean, listen. (29:42) From my perspective, the it it feels to me like for six years, you lived in a hotel because it's you pack up, go somewhere, stay there for a few days, leave. (29:51) I I that feels unsettling to me.

Olivia (29:54) Yeah. (29:54) That's a really good way of looking at it. (29:56) And what you said about packing up belongings and leaving, that's exactly how it felt. (30:03) Every Friday, my brother and I would go to the other house. (30:08) And so Thursday night, we'd be packing up, you know, our, like, cell phone chargers and

Scott Benner (30:15) Yeah.

Olivia (30:16) Video game systems and all of that to carry to the other parent's house.

Scott Benner (30:20) By the way So the other house, what a humble brag. (30:23) Two houses. (30:24) Yeah. (30:25) Look at you look at you guys. (30:26) Yeah.

Olivia (30:28) It's like living in two houses. (30:29) It it was I remember being a a teenager, though, and it it would just be confusing to me because I remember making friends in middle school and high school. (30:39) And when I would go hang out with them at their parents' house, they'd say, yeah. (30:44) I live at this address. (30:46) But on the other hand, whenever I would invite my friends over, I would have to specify, okay.

Olivia (30:52) This week, I'm at my mom's house or this week, I'm at my dad's house. (30:55) So it never really felt like I had a true address, like a true home.

Scott Benner (31:00) Yeah. (31:01) You're settled.

Olivia (31:02) Exactly. (31:03) Yeah.

Scott Benner (31:04) Am I I mean, were the houses very close to each other, or or you spend a whole week with friends and then be like, hey. (31:09) We should hang out on Saturday, but you're going across town or somewhere else?

Olivia (31:13) Fortunately, the the good news is that they lived only about ten minutes away. (31:17) Okay. (31:18) And I was going to the same high school in the midst of all of this too. (31:21) So that was another point of stability Yeah. (31:24) In the midst of this, chaotic sea.

Scott Benner (31:26) So they tried to keep it I mean, it it is a good try from them. (31:31) But, I mean, I'm just thinking if all you would just, like, tough it out and stay together, we wouldn't have a housing crisis. (31:36) That's all I'm saying.

Olivia (31:37) Yeah. (31:38) Yeah. (31:39) It so I remember during those

Scott Benner (31:42) Sorry. (31:42) Sorry, Olivia. (31:43) I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm characterizing being married as tough it out.

Olivia (31:49) Well, I mean, like, marriage isn't all, you know, rainbows and kittens all the time. (31:54) Yeah. (31:55) Like, it it's great if it's that way most of the time, but Yeah. (31:58) You know, marriages are, you know, like any other relationship. (32:02) You'll run into Of course.

Olivia (32:03) Times where there's a bit more friction and you have to work it out.

Scott Benner (32:07) But You ever feel like that? (32:08) You know, I don't get to talk to a lot of adults who come from divorce. (32:11) Like, it doesn't come up as much as you would think. (32:13) You ever mad at them? (32:15) Did you have a parent that you blamed as a child?

Scott Benner (32:18) Did that hold true as an adult?

Olivia (32:20) Yeah. (32:21) I so from what I understand, it was my mom who initiated the divorce, so I don't think it was mutual. (32:31) Well, it it ended being a mutual decision on both of their parts because they went through with it, but my mom was the one who initiated it. (32:38) I don't think my dad wanted the divorce to happen. (32:41) Yeah.

Olivia (32:42) So I remember

Scott Benner (32:43) Olivia, I don't think you get to stay if if if you want to and the other one tells you to go, though. (32:48) So it's you know what I mean? (32:50) Like, if she if she says, don't wanna be married anymore, he goes, well, I do. (32:54) That's not that she doesn't have you know, she doesn't get to go, oh, well, then never mind. (32:58) Like, so maybe Right.

Scott Benner (32:59) Yeah. (32:59) Maybe it wasn't. (33:00) It also reminds me of that great scene in the the Santa Claus movie, gosh, with, Vince Vaughn. (33:09) Do you know this this movie?

Olivia (33:10) Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner (33:10) Where his brother is Santa Claus?

Olivia (33:13) Yes.

Scott Benner (33:13) And he's he's dating this girl, and she breaks up with him at from I know I've talked about this before. (33:19) It is, like, it is an incredibly funny scene and not a very good movie. (33:23) But but she's yelling down to him from the apartment. (33:27) She's like, I'm done. (33:28) He's like, I'm not done.

Scott Benner (33:29) I'm not done. (33:29) And there's I I can't do it justice, but go watch it. (33:32) It's hilarious.

Olivia (33:33) Yeah. (33:34) Oh, I totally gotta watch that just as Christmas season is coming up too.

Scott Benner (33:38) You know what? (33:38) While you're talking, I'll find the actual name of it for you. (33:40) Oh, it's Fred Claus. (33:41) I know what it's called. (33:42) It's called Fred Claus.

Olivia (33:43) Okay.

Scott Benner (33:43) Yeah. (33:44) Yeah.

Olivia (33:44) Fred Claus. (33:45) Yeah. (33:45) I I've watched I've watched, like, the first two Santa Claus movies with, Tim Allen, but I haven't watched Fred Claus yet. (33:52) So I'll have to add that one to my list.

Scott Benner (33:53) Well, I don't know how good it is, but that one scene make if you if you're trying to understand my sense of humor at all, that scene makes me cackle just so so everybody knows.

Olivia (34:02) I'll totally have to get give that a a listen Thank you. (34:05) And a watch.

Scott Benner (34:06) Thank you. (34:06) Thank you. (34:06) I'm sorry. (34:07) Go ahead. (34:07) So continue.

Scott Benner (34:08) I apologize.

Olivia (34:09) Yeah. (34:10) So I remember so during these six years of living under split custody between both of my parents, I I remember so there was that feeling of feeling very, very unsettled and not having a a true place to call home. (34:27) And my my mom and dad are very, very different people with different expectations. (34:32) And so over time, I, so during these six years, there was also pretty regular conflicts between my mom and dad, so there wasn't really even much peace between them after the divorce. (34:47) And so, like, I'm sitting there thinking, like, okay.

Olivia (34:50) Like, I want some kind of peace. (34:52) What can I do to achieve that peace? (34:55) I'm going to be the person my mom wants to be when I'm with her. (34:59) And then when I'm with my dad, I'm going to be the person that he wants me to be. (35:04) So I was a massive people pleaser with both my mom and dad.

Olivia (35:10) And since my mom and dad are very different people, personality wise and expectation wise, I in a sense, I developed two different personalities living with each of them, and I really didn't know who I truly was for a long, long time.

Scott Benner (35:30) Did you consciously turn them on and off?

Olivia (35:34) I that's a good question.

Scott Benner (35:37) Yeah. (35:38) Like, did it become a mental health issue, or was it conscious?

Olivia (35:43) I don't know if it ever truly became a mental health issue per se. (35:47) I think it was more a situation where if I knew I was going to my dad's house, for example, I would say to myself, okay. (35:56) Like, since my dad is, you know, quieter and more stoic, I'm going to be quieter and more stoic with him. (36:04) Mhmm. (36:05) And then whenever I would go to my mom's house, she's a lot more expressive.

Olivia (36:10) Yeah. (36:10) Like, a lot more expressive.

Scott Benner (36:12) You kinda locked up than around

Olivia (36:13) her. (36:14) Yeah.

Scott Benner (36:14) Was your dad quiet, or was your dad beaten down?

Olivia (36:19) That's a good question. (36:21) So

Scott Benner (36:23) You don't know. (36:23) You're so young. (36:25) You know?

Olivia (36:25) Yeah. (36:25) I I honestly don't know, but I think so I think if my suspicions about my mom having borderline are true, I think my dad probably was beaten down quite a bit by my mom. (36:38) Right. (36:39) And I think, generally speaking, he is a quiet person. (36:42) He's more introverted.

Olivia (36:44) Yeah. (36:44) But I I think my dad was just beaten down by my mom's barrages when they would happen.

Scott Benner (36:51) It's tough. (36:52) Is she a is she a physically opposing person?

Olivia (36:55) What do you mean by that?

Scott Benner (36:56) Is she is she tall? (36:57) Is she strong, or is she small and slight? (37:00) Like, what's her build?

Olivia (37:01) She's pretty small. (37:03) She's strong. (37:04) She's less than five feet tall.

Scott Benner (37:06) Okay. (37:06) Because it's a little She's

Olivia (37:07) pretty small.

Scott Benner (37:08) Yeah. (37:08) You know what I mean? (37:08) Like, it's a little less scary for a lady who's four eleven to be yelling at you than if she was five nine and, you know, give Right. (37:14) Yeah. (37:15) I I mean, honestly, like, if somebody's ranting and raving at you like that, like, it's there's a physical component to it as well.

Olivia (37:22) Yeah. (37:22) Absolutely.

Scott Benner (37:23) Are you a smaller person? (37:24) Are you built like her?

Olivia (37:25) I'm built more like her. (37:27) I'm a few inches taller than her, which isn't really saying much. (37:30) I'm barely, you know, just scraping above five feet. (37:33) Yeah. (37:33) Yeah.

Scott Benner (37:35) I don't know. (37:36) Do you ever see yourself in her or vice versa? (37:39) Does that worry you?

Olivia (37:41) So now that I like, so now in adulthood, now that I have a much better picture about who I am as a person, and I'm still actually I feel like I'm still trying to piece that together fully.

Scott Benner (37:54) Yeah.

Olivia (37:56) So my mom, I would say, is very extroverted. (38:00) I'm definitely more of an introverted person, more of a quiet soul, I would say. (38:06) Yeah. (38:06) When it comes to expressing emotions, she's a lot more expressive. (38:11) Me, on the other hand, I'm not quite as expressive, though I feel things deeply, if that makes any sense.

Scott Benner (38:18) Sure.

Olivia (38:18) So personality wise, I don't see a whole lot of her in myself. (38:25) Yeah. (38:26) Appearance wise, though, I take after her quite a lot.

Scott Benner (38:29) Gotcha. (38:30) Now do you find yourself because of what you shared a moment ago, do you find yourself wondering if this is your personality or if it's the one you chose? (38:37) Do you know what I mean? (38:38) Mhmm. (38:38) Like, because if you because I imagine when you were with your dad, you didn't become another person.

Scott Benner (38:42) You probably just leaned harder into the quiet part of yourself. (38:45) And when you were with your mom Sure. (38:46) You know what mean? (38:47) You leaned harder into that part. (38:48) But then it sounds like you chose one, but I won't but I don't know.

Scott Benner (38:53) This is just me. (38:54) Like, I would wonder. (38:55) I'm not trying to mess you up. (38:56) Like, you know what I mean? (38:57) Like, I would I would I would wonder, like, is this who I am, or is this who I settled on?

Scott Benner (39:03) Does that make sense?

Olivia (39:04) I see what you mean. (39:05) Yeah. (39:06) Yeah. (39:06) That I think that's a good question too. (39:08) I so I think maybe there were certain elements of my personality that I chose just in you know, I saw things in both of my parents, and I said to myself, don't wanna be like them in these different ways.

Olivia (39:25) I think also the times that I was at school so, like, again, kind of that common one point of stability when I was going back and forth between houses. (39:35) I think the way that I was at school gave me some hints as to who my true self was. (39:42) And, at school, I was generally a a pretty quiet girl

Scott Benner (39:46) Okay.

Olivia (39:46) A bookworm, a a band geek, all of those types of things. (39:51) Like, I never really was, like, super bubbly or going up to random people, striking up conversations.

Scott Benner (40:00) Yeah. (40:01) Clarinet? (40:01) What'd you play?

Olivia (40:03) Yeah. (40:03) I played clarinet.

Scott Benner (40:04) Did I get it? (40:04) Yeah. (40:05) Goddamn. (40:05) Yeah. (40:06) Hold on, Olivia.

Scott Benner (40:06) Take a second. (40:07) Hold on. (40:07) Just take one second. (40:09) Everybody just give me some credit, like, virtually through the airwaves right now. (40:14) I how do I do these things?

Scott Benner (40:16) This is not a great skill, Olivia, but it is my skill, and I'm gonna celebrate it for a second. (40:21) How did I do that? (40:22) What do you think I knew about you that I came up with clarinet? (40:25) Oh, we'll never know.

Olivia (40:27) That was amazing.

Scott Benner (40:28) Thank you. (40:29) I'm basically a genius at things that don't matter.

Olivia (40:34) Seriously, that was brilliant. (40:35) Can't wait to tell my husband about this later.

Scott Benner (40:38) Thank you. (40:39) Thank you. (40:39) So I wish there was an audience here right now. (40:41) I would take a curtain call on that. (40:44) Really lovely.

Scott Benner (40:45) Okay. (40:45) Oh, wow. (40:46) Alright. (40:47) I'm sorry.

Olivia (40:49) Let me refocus. (40:50) Good.

Scott Benner (40:50) I was about to ask you something really serious, and it just hit me. (40:53) I'm like, I know for sure this was a clarinet. (40:55) Let me say it out loud. (40:56) But then there was a lot of risk because I could have been wrong. (40:58) You know?

Scott Benner (40:59) You said you didn't wanna be like either of them, but, like, so far in the story, your dad's a good guy. (41:04) Does that change?

Olivia (41:06) It does. (41:06) Oh. (41:07) So, like, there's nothing in my story yet that I would say is completely black and white. (41:13) So my dad, when it comes to him, I should actually back up to the time I was 16 when the split custody thing ended. (41:23) It ended when I came to a decision to live at my mom's house all the time because because of a variety of factors, but one of the primary factors was that I just needed stability.

Olivia (41:39) I couldn't take it anymore. (41:41) And in deciding between whether to live with my mom or my dad, I remember a lot of times being at my dad's house and just sitting in my bedroom pretty much the whole time unless if I was sharing a family meal or going to school. (41:57) Mhmm. (41:58) But I felt very lonely. (41:59) And my dad and my stepmom, his wife, didn't really check on me a whole lot when I was spending time in my bedroom.

Olivia (42:10) So it I remember back during those days thinking that my bedroom was like a prison cell, and I was starving of love.

Scott Benner (42:17) Oh my gosh. (42:19) That's crazy.

Olivia (42:20) Yeah.

Scott Benner (42:21) Did they have kids of their own, the two of them?

Olivia (42:24) Yeah. (42:25) They when I was 13, they started having kids of their own. (42:31) They have, four daughters together.

Scott Benner (42:33) Jeez.

Olivia (42:34) Yeah.

Scott Benner (42:36) Wow. (42:37) I think like, that's I mean, you're already 13, and they're having four they have four other kids?

Olivia (42:42) Yep. (42:43) My, for context, my it's kind of weird. (42:47) My stepmom is fourteen years younger than my dad, and she's also fourteen years older than me. (42:53) So she's, like, right in the middle

Scott Benner (42:55) Oh my gosh.

Olivia (42:56) Between my dad and I. (42:57) But, yeah, they they popped out four girls. (43:00) I suspect they were probably trying for a boy, but then gave up after the fourth daughter was born. (43:06) Not really sure.

Scott Benner (43:07) I have so many theories in here about, like, your dad being domineered by your mom and then him probably going after a younger person who is more amenable the next time. (43:16) But am I right?

Olivia (43:19) Maybe to an extent. (43:20) I think I think and, again, based on what I remember back during my adolescence, I think my stepmom definitely wore between the two of them. (43:30) Think he was being domineered by her.

Scott Benner (43:33) Yeah. (43:34) Wow. (43:34) Your dad's a a he's got a type.

Olivia (43:38) Yeah. (43:40) Yeah. (43:40) Just I don't know. (43:41) Like, compliant. (43:42) I'm not really sure if compliance is the right word.

Scott Benner (43:44) See, I was I'm I was a 100% as right as I was about the clarinet thing, I was very wrong about that. (43:48) Like, what I thought was is he went after somebody younger because maybe they wouldn't know themselves as well and maybe would not, like, stick up and you know what I mean? (43:56) Like, maybe he was tired of being told what to do and was looking to tell somebody what to do, but that doesn't sound like the vibe.

Olivia (44:02) So No. (44:03) No. (44:04) I I think I think, ultimately, the dynamics that were at work in his marriage to my mom are pretty similar to the dynamics he shares with his, with his new wife in that

Scott Benner (44:16) In the I'm sorry. (44:17) In that

Olivia (44:18) in that, my both my mom and my stepmom are more domineering types, and my dad is more of the passive type.

Scott Benner (44:25) Mhmm. (44:26) What do the kids call that? (44:27) A simp? (44:28) Is that what they call it?

Olivia (44:28) I

Scott Benner (44:29) I don't know the Internet that much. (44:30) Yeah. (44:30) Yeah. (44:31) Yeah.

Olivia (44:31) I'm I'm not really familiar with a lot of the common lingo these days. (44:34) Like, simp sounds right, but I I could be totally wrong too.

Scott Benner (44:37) I love that you said common lingo. (44:39) I love you, Olivia. (44:40) You're awesome. (44:40) I don't know. (44:41) Listen.

Scott Benner (44:41) I don't know why.

Olivia (44:42) Too, Scott.

Scott Benner (44:42) Oh, thank you. (44:43) I don't know why your parents were ignoring you. (44:44) You seem cool. (44:46) So

Olivia (44:46) I I appreciate that. (44:48) Seriously. (44:48) I do. (44:49) Seriously.

Scott Benner (44:49) Also, I wanna take a half a sidebar here for a second before we because I have a question about why you picked your mom. (44:54) But I just found myself thinking, like, when you're out in public or at work, you know, or you're around a bunch of people, whether you're related to them or just around them a lot, like, when you listen to people's stories like Olivia's and other people that come on the podcast, does it not make you look around the room and wonder, like, what are all of these other people's stories? (45:13) Because this is such a complicated, you know, rich, sad, you know, story that you're telling. (45:21) And that's a thing you carry around with you every day. (45:23) Like, your building blocks are this story.

Scott Benner (45:25) Right? (45:26) And when you're at work or church or wherever you go at the grocery store, everything you do and think and react come from from this, like, this this origin story of yours. (45:39) You you know? (45:40) And and everyone has one. (45:42) And it's so simple, I think, to, you know, sit in a room with 20 people that you work with and just be like, oh, you know, he's a asshole and she's a bitch and that one's you know, wants to tell us what to do all the time and that one doesn't listen and but and to oversimplify people.

Scott Benner (45:58) But and I really think if people got to know each other better, they'd work better together. (46:03) You know? (46:03) I don't know how reasonable it is at work for you to tell stories like this, but it just occurs to me we should know each other if we really expect to, exist well. (46:11) So, anyway

Olivia (46:13) Yeah. (46:13) Definitely. (46:14) I I agree with that because every person is unique. (46:17) Every person has a unique story that they are carrying around. (46:23) They have different sets of circumstances that have led them to the point where they are now in the present moment.

Olivia (46:29) And I think that it's so easy to just kind of go along our own way, not really give a second thought to what other people are going through.

Scott Benner (46:37) Yeah. (46:37) Yeah. (46:37) You've overcome a lot. (46:39) Like, I would like, if you were on my team at work, I would think, like, hey. (46:42) Let's get Olivia involved in this.

Scott Benner (46:44) Like, she doesn't give up. (46:45) You you know, like, she gets stuff done. (46:47) She follows through. (46:48) She doesn't, you know, she doesn't just put up her hands and go, oh, no. (46:50) You know?

Scott Benner (46:51) Well, dad stuck me in the in the love prison and my mom's screaming. (46:55) I mean, like, this is my next question. (46:56) It's like, how do you choose her? (46:58) Like, that's, like, that's that's all. (47:00) I mean, that's really, like that's like a reverse Sophie's choice, isn't it?

Scott Benner (47:09) This episode was too good to cut anything out of, but too long to make just one episode. (47:15) So this is part one. (47:16) Make sure you go find part two right now. (47:18) It's gonna be the next episode in your feed. (47:23) Touched by Type one sponsored this episode of the Juice Box podcast.

Scott Benner (47:27) Check them out at touchedbytype1.org on Instagram and Facebook. (47:32) Give them a follow. (47:33) Go check out what they're doing. (47:35) They are helping people with type one diabetes in ways you just can't imagine. (47:41) Today's episode of the juice box podcast was sponsored by the new Tandem Mobi system and Control IQ plus technology.

Scott Benner (47:49) Learn more and get started today at tandemdiabetes.com/juicebox. (47:54) Check it out. (47:57) The podcast episode that you just enjoyed was sponsored by Eversense CGM. (48:02) They make the Eversense three sixty five. (48:05) That thing lasts a whole year.

Scott Benner (48:07) One insertion. (48:08) Every year? (48:09) Come on. (48:10) You probably feel like I'm messing with you, but I'm not. (48:12) Eversensecgm.com/juicebox.

Scott Benner (48:17) Thank you so much for listening. (48:19) I'll be back very soon with another episode of the juice box podcast. (48:22) If you're not already subscribed or following the podcast in your favorite audio app, like Spotify or Apple podcasts, please do that now. (48:30) Seriously, just to hit follow or subscribe will really help the show. (48:34) If you go a little further in Apple Podcasts and set it up so that it downloads all new episodes, I'll be your best friend.

Scott Benner (48:41) And if you leave a five star review, oh, I'll probably send you a Christmas card. (48:46) Would you like a Christmas card? (48:52) Hey, kids. (48:53) Listen up. (48:53) You've made it to the end of the podcast.

Scott Benner (48:55) You must have enjoyed it. (48:56) You know what else you might enjoy? (48:57) The private Facebook group for the Juice Box podcast. (49:01) I know you're thinking, Facebook, Scott, please. (49:04) But no.

Scott Benner (49:04) Beautiful group, wonderful people, a fantastic community. (49:08) Juice Box podcast, type one diabetes on Facebook. (49:11) Of course, if you have type two, are you touched by diabetes in any way? (49:15) You're absolutely welcome. (49:17) It's a private group, so you'll have to answer a couple of questions before you come in.

Scott Benner (49:20) We'll make sure you're not a bot or an evil doer, then you're on your way. (49:24) You'll be part of the family. (49:27) Oh my, did I get lucky. (49:29) The Celebrity Cruise Line reached out to me and said, how would you like to come on a cruise before your juice cruise so you can get a real good look at the Celebrity Beyond cruise ship and share some video with your listeners. (49:43) I said, thank you.

Scott Benner (49:45) So that's where I might be right now. (49:47) If it's December, let me actually find a date for you. (49:50) I'm not a 100% sure. (49:52) I think I'm going in December right before Christmas. (49:56) Like, you know, like, I don't know, like, the third or fourth week of December.

Scott Benner (49:59) I'm sorry. (49:59) Know this isn't much of a that. (50:00) But if you wanna see video from me on the cruise ship, my wife and I are gonna head out and really check it out to see what it's all about to grab some great video for you. (50:09) Get it up on TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook so you can see what you'd be getting if you came along on Juice Cruise 2026, which, of course, leaves from Miami on 06/21/2026. (50:21) We're gonna be going to CocoCay in The Bahamas, San Juan, Puerto Rico, Saint Kitts And Nevis.

Scott Benner (50:26) Do not miss it. (50:27) It's a great opportunity to meet other people living with type one diabetes to form friendships, to learn things, and just swap stories. (50:34) It's a relaxing vacation with a bunch of people who get what your life is like. (50:39) And trust me, there's a lot of value in that. (50:41) Juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise.

Scott Benner (50:45) Come check it out and go find my socials to see what that ship looks like. (50:49) There's also a video at my link that's, kind of a ship tour for the celebrity beyond. (50:54) And let me tell you something. (50:55) If this ship is a tenth as nice as this video is, I am in for a great time, and so are you. (51:02) Juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise.

Scott Benner (51:05) Come along. (51:08) If you have a podcast and you need a fantastic editor, you want Rob from Wrong Way Recording. (51:14) Listen. (51:15) Truth be told, I'm, like, 20% smarter when Rob edits me. (51:18) He takes out all the, like, gaps of time and when I go, and stuff like that.

Scott Benner (51:23) And it just I don't know, man. (51:25) Like, I listen back and I'm like, why do I sound smarter? (51:28) And then I remember because I did one smart thing. (51:31) I hired Rob at wrongwayrecording.com.

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#1725 2026 Kickoff: Bloopers & Big News

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Scott Benner (0:00) Hello, friends, and welcome to the Juice Box podcast. (0:03) Happy New Year. (0:34) Some people want content no matter what the day. (0:38) Some people don't. (0:40) So today, I thought this one's gonna be for diehard fans.

Scott Benner (0:42) Let's make it something special, something fun, and, of course, not too long. (0:47) Today, I'm gonna share with you some bloopers from our recordings this year and some ideas about where I think the podcast is headed in 2026. (0:56) There are ways that you can be involved as a guest or as a community member. (1:01) I've got a couple of events to go to. (1:04) I'll tell you about all of it interspersed here with some fun bloopers.

Scott Benner (1:25) Just diagnosed with if you were just diagnosed with if you or a loved one was just diagnosed with type one diabetes, meet the bold beginning series from the Juice Box podcast. (1:37) Oh, man. (1:37) This is hokey is a mother hold on. (1:40) Less hokey. (1:45) Sorry, Rob.

Scott Benner (1:46) I guess there's no better way to start than to talk about the lists of diabetes content that's available if you're looking for management content. (1:56) This is not conversational stuff or interviews. (1:59) This is like the bold beginning series, the pro tips, etcetera. (2:03) Head to juiceboxpodcast.com/lists. (2:09) And there, you're gonna get a comprehensive guide to all of the different episodes that are collected in series format for you.

Scott Benner (2:18) Bold Beginnings Diabetes Pro Tips, Defining Diabetes, Small Sips, Diabetes Variables, Fat and Protein, Algorithm Pumping, The Math Behind Mental Wellness, pregnancy, grand rounds, how we eat after dark, bolus four, disordered eating, GLP meds, quick start guide, runs in the family, talking with children, the myths around diabetes, glucagon stories, defining thyroid, talking celiac, and much more. (2:44) Juiceboxpodcast.com/lists. (2:48) Jordan Wagner's back. (2:50) You know Jordan. (2:50) He's a nurse, a type one diabetes fucking Wagner's back.

Scott Benner (2:56) Jordan, of course, a nurse. (2:58) Fuck me. (3:00) Anyway, you might have liked Jordan. (3:01) He was on a number of episodes this year that were awesome. (3:05) You should go find them, and I'm hoping to have him back.

Scott Benner (3:08) I hope you, enjoy listening to me try to make a bumper for his recent episode. (3:14) I'm gonna be talking about some stuff this year that I didn't imagine I'd ever be talking about on the podcast, and one of them is gonna come up pretty quickly in the first quarter. (3:24) Here's a little look into what that might be about. (3:28) And he's like, don't worry. (3:29) It's no big deal.

Scott Benner (3:30) She can watch the baby for a second. (3:32) She puts Cole behind a curtain. (3:33) Cole doesn't know he was there for that, by way. (3:35) But she puts Cole behind a curtain. (3:36) Thank god she puts Cole behind the curtain because then the nurse watches Cole instead of my instead of my balls hanging sideways next to my asshole while this guy cranks me open like a clam.

Scott Benner (3:47) You you know what I mean? (3:47) And then and you ladies gotta go to the the hoochie doctor. (3:51) You know what I'm talking about. (3:52) Imagine that in your butt. (3:53) So and by the way, I've never had an experience on my butt.

Scott Benner (3:56) So that was my first time he took my virginity. (3:59) I guess we're just talking about this now. (4:00) So he puts it in there and you can literally see him turning the thing. (4:03) I'm like, you are kidding me. (4:05) And it hurts, FYI.

Scott Benner (4:08) Yeah. (4:08) So look forward to me sharing a health issue that you didn't know I had coming up soon on the Juice Box podcast. (4:15) Wow. (4:15) I can't believe I said I that person, she tricked me into saying that. (4:20) When you hear the episode, you'll see why.

Scott Benner (4:22) I I guess I hadn't actually decided how open I was gonna be about that. (4:25) No pun intended. (4:27) But that actually helped me make a couple decisions moving forward that I'm very, very happy about. (4:32) You'll hear more about them as well. (4:35) Alright, Rob.

Scott Benner (4:36) There's some cursing. (4:37) I apologize for that. (4:38) But I there's a title in here. (4:40) I forgot it. (4:42) Things have changed.

Scott Benner (4:43) Nothing's ever gonna be the same. (4:44) Something in that vein she said in the last quarter of the converse goddamn it. (4:50) Oh, Rob. (4:51) I'm so mad. (4:51) It was a perfect title.

Scott Benner (4:52) I didn't write it down. (4:54) Goddamn it. (4:55) Not the same. (4:56) Never the same. (4:57) Things have changed.

Scott Benner (5:00) Fuck. (5:00) Fuck. (5:01) Fuck. (5:01) Fuck. (5:01) Fuck.

Scott Benner (5:02) If you don't know what I'm talking I'm so mad at myself. (5:05) If you don't know what I'm talking about, tell me, and I'll relisten to it before I put it up to get the title out because the title's too good. (5:11) That's it. (5:12) Goddamn it. (5:13) That pisses me off.

Scott Benner (5:15) So you must be thinking, Scott, you've obviously put a piece of paper by your desk so you can write things down as you're recording. (5:20) No. (5:20) I have not. (5:21) I I what's the word I want? (5:24) Frequently.

Scott Benner (5:26) I frequently forget the titles that I wanna make the podcast, and then I drop it on poor Rob during editing to figure out what I was talking about. (5:33) Anyway, I do say fuck a number of times and shit twice. (5:39) I think they're grouped together. (5:41) Robbie. (5:42) What's up, Robbie?

Scott Benner (5:43) Hey, Robbie. (5:43) So the episodes end. (5:46) I usually say, hey, Rob. (5:47) I wanna call this episode this. (5:48) I curse here or there, and then I say his name oddly.

Scott Benner (5:52) I don't know why I do all of that, but you're now getting to hear private messages that I leave for my editor, Rob, who does a wonderful job. (5:59) By the way, he's, available to, edit your podcast as well if you have one and you're looking for a great editor. (6:07) Oh my god. (6:07) I'm dying. (6:08) Hold on a second.

Scott Benner (6:11) Oh my god. (6:12) Hold on. (6:13) Rob, cut that out. (6:14) Would you If you're looking for community, I really think you should check out the private Facebook group for the Juice Box podcast. (6:24) It now has 78,000 active members, and it it's absolutely wonderful.

Scott Benner (6:28) It does about a 150 new posts a day. (6:31) Those posts, they get up to 8,000 likes, hearts, and comments every day. (6:38) About a 150 new people join the group every two to three days. (6:43) It is really just a wonderful, a wonderful place. (6:47) I highly suggest even if you don't think you wanna talk or interact with people directly, just watching, lurking, seeing how people are, you could find it incredibly comforting.

Scott Benner (6:57) I'm very proud of that group. (6:58) Go check it out. (6:59) If you don't like Facebook, I also have a private group on Circle. (7:02) There's links in the show notes for that. (7:05) It's, most people charge for their Circle groups.

Scott Benner (7:07) Mine's completely free. (7:08) I hope you you take a look at that too. (7:12) Listen. (7:12) I'm just gonna come out and say it. (7:14) We shouldn't have let everybody use the Internet.

Scott Benner (7:16) It should have just I don't know how we should have chosen who, but there can't be 17 different answers for one fucking question. (7:22) Okay? (7:23) There are so many opinions on the Internet, but I find that that private Facebook group is just uniquely wonderful about giving their perspectives that are very helpful for people. (7:37) It's not a whole lot of junk opinions that waste your time. (7:41) This year, longtime listeners must have laughed at me over and over again talking about how I would never get another dog, and then Arden asked for a puppy, and I got her a puppy.

Scott Benner (7:50) Robert, I got you a two parter here, my friend. (7:53) I curse a fair amount. (7:54) So there's that. (7:56) She's sick. (7:57) She coughs a couple of times, but she doesn't cough over herself while she was talking, so it's probably pretty easy to lift out.

Scott Benner (8:06) And I of course, I don't really understand your job, so maybe it's easy and maybe it's not. (8:10) I really don't know. (8:11) Sorry. (8:12) Crumble in paper. (8:14) And my dog hello, dog.

Scott Benner (8:16) Had to be in here with me today. (8:18) So I don't in the beginning, you might hear him licking his feet. (8:21) You monster. (8:22) Look at why you lick your feet so much? (8:25) Robbie just was like he was like it was just happening a lot.

Scott Benner (8:29) So, if you hear that, I'm sorry. (8:32) But I tried not to talk over it, so it'd be easy to lift. (8:35) That's pretty much it, my friend. (8:36) I'll see you soon. (8:38) I hope you guys don't skip the bumpers that we put at the beginning of the end to tell you about the different series and where you can go get more information that will help you because I work really hard on those.

Scott Benner (8:47) And I they're not as easy for me as they may sound in the final edit. (8:53) Though once in a while, I get it right, and I am incredibly proud of myself when that happens. (8:58) How's that, Rob? (9:00) In one take, motherfucker. (9:03) Fuck you.

Scott Benner (9:04) God, you do it one time. (9:05) You can't. (9:07) It's you and your laptop out in the woods. (9:10) I don't know what you do out there. (9:12) Also, sometimes Rob goes on bike rides and then edits the show in, like, coffee shops and stuff like that.

Scott Benner (9:17) And I get a little jealous in case you're wondering what that was. (9:20) If you've ever recorded with me and something that's in my office has made a bunch of noise, it's usually paraphernalia keeping my many lizards alive. (9:28) I apologize for that. (9:30) However, if you would like to be on the Juice Box podcast, now is the time to send in your pitch. (9:36) Scott@JuiceBoxpodcast.com.

Scott Benner (9:38) I am currently filling the 2026. (9:42) My calendar fills up incredibly quickly. (9:45) Please do not hesitate. (9:48) Noisy thing in the background. (9:49) Gonna get rid of it, and I will go right back to my thought.

Scott Benner (9:51) Rob, I apologize about this, of course, about the pause. (9:57) I was talking about this with Jenny today while we were recording, but I've been using, different AI models to synthesize conversations from the podcast, taking a number of different conversations about certain topics and then creating, blog posts basically that direct you through those ideas a little more specifically. (10:18) And I have to tell you, I know some of you don't love the, don't love the computers, but I am finding it incredibly valuable. (10:26) Like, I don't know that I could ever sit down, listen to three hours worth of stuff, synthesize it out, you know, pull out the very the very, important unique points that need to be made over and over again, then regurgitate them again in a way that are is valuable for you. (10:42) You should check it out.

Scott Benner (10:43) If you go to juiceboxpodcast.com up to the top, there are, guides like fat and protein insulin calculator, you know, how to improve your you know, how how physician can improve their care for people. (10:57) Like, that's the entire grand round series broken down. (11:02) There's caregiver burnout stuff, GLP medication, understanding thyroid. (11:06) This stuff is all I mean, they're my words and, you know, conversations that I've had with other people, so, you know, other people's words as well. (11:14) But I just don't have the staff to sit down and and parse through everything, and and AI has been really helpful for that.

Scott Benner (11:20) So I know some of you are scared of it, but I really appreciate it. (11:24) I hope you guys are enjoying what it's, churning out for you. (11:29) Now the people who are like, you're ruining the world with ChatGPT. (11:33) The whole world the whole podcast is about that now. (11:35) I hear you fucking crybabies.

Scott Benner (11:39) I've made over, I don't know, 220 episodes this year. (11:42) Some of them have been awesome. (11:44) All of them have been good, my opinion. (11:46) But once in a while, I get knocked over by by how honest and forthright you guys are, and I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing your stories like that. (11:54) It sometimes boils over even when I'm done recording.

Scott Benner (11:59) Holy Roberto, hold on to your knickers. (12:03) I wanna take a moment to thank all the great sponsors for the podcast. (12:07) They're in your show notes right now and at juiceboxpodcast.com. (12:10) Every one of them is back for 2026. (12:12) I can't thank you guys enough.

Scott Benner (12:14) I worked very hard on those ads. (12:15) I hope you guys appreciate it. (12:18) Holy balls. (12:21) That ain't gonna fit in thirty six seconds. (12:22) What the fuck?

Scott Benner (12:23) Maybe it will. (12:25) Crafting a good thirty or sixty second ad is a lot more work than you think. (12:29) Getting everything in there just right so that it's memorable and and, been said correctly, it's, you should see the beginning of every year as me sitting in here for a while sounding just like that. (12:40) I don't remember what this one's about, but Rob sent me something about the Beatles. (12:45) It was a video or something, and this was my response to it.

Scott Benner (12:49) Oh, by the way, that Beatles thing was fucking creepy, man. (12:52) Don't send me shit like that again. (12:53) You're gonna make me sad. (12:55) How the fuck did why did someone even do that? (12:57) The Internet.

Scott Benner (12:58) You know what I mean? (12:59) Too many people. (13:01) Speaking of the Internet, if you're not following me on Facebook, on the public page or part of the Facebook group on the private page. (13:08) You could also follow me on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok. (13:11) We're about everywhere.

Scott Benner (13:12) Speaking of that, if you're interested right now, I just got back from a cruise on the Celebrity Beyond cruise ship. (13:20) This is the same ship we're going out on in June for the Juice Cruise. (13:23) That's Juice Cruise, 2026. (13:27) Right now, we have a nice group together. (13:29) We're building it up.

Scott Benner (13:30) It's getting bigger every day. (13:31) I mean, quite honestly, if you'd like to get together, you know, at the days at sea or during the days at sea, hear me talk about some diabetes stuff, do some q and a's. (13:41) We're having Jenny come on again, remotely. (13:44) Jenny does a great, two hour talk. (13:48) Last time, I don't know how we're gonna do it this time, but Jenny comes on, chats with you guys.

Scott Benner (13:52) The Internet, by the way, while we're complaining about the Internet, out in the middle of the ocean, the Internet is rock solid. (13:58) I don't know how they do that. (13:59) It's amazing. (14:00) But Jenny's, Zooms in. (14:02) So does Erica, if you know Erica from the mental health stuff.

Scott Benner (14:06) It's a really nice opportunity for you to go on vacation, to meet a lot of other people with type one diabetes, to be on a premium boat. (14:13) I like I said, I just got back from basically taste testing the Celebrity Beyond, and it is an exceptionally clean, well run ship. (14:21) Kelly and I just got back from a week on it. (14:23) It was awesome. (14:25) What I'll say is this.

Scott Benner (14:26) If you're a person who loves cruising, this is a no brainer for you. (14:31) If you can afford it, because it's not inexpensive. (14:33) Right? (14:34) Juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise to learn more. (14:38) But it's also not crazy if, cruises are something that you're accustomed to doing.

Scott Benner (14:42) Get off at different ports of call. (14:44) I love it. (14:44) You get up in the morning. (14:45) You're in a completely different country. (14:47) You go enjoy it for a full day.

Scott Benner (14:49) Come back. (14:49) Have a nice meal. (14:50) Go for a swim. (14:51) I watched a football game up on the deck, Saturday night. (14:54) My god.

Scott Benner (14:55) I was 40 yards from the TV, and it was still massive. (14:58) Looked like a a drive in movie screen. (15:00) So, anyway, if you wanna come along, again, there's links in the show notes, but juiceboxpodcast.com/juicecruise. (15:07) Give it a try. (15:09) I I learned a lot last year seeing, a diverse group of people living with type one together, and I'm talking about, like, from kids and their families, young kids, you know, eight, nine, ten, three, four, five, 17, 18, 19, parents, adults, up to people in their seventies were there who had type one diabetes.

Scott Benner (15:30) It's a really awesome opportunity to mingle together an eclectic group of people who would not normally be together. (15:37) I watch these people immediately become comfortable, And then, of course, you're not stuck together. (15:44) It's a giant ship and there's a lot to do. (15:46) So you can see people when you want, have that experience, move on, have your vacation at the same time. (15:51) I'll do a little chitting and chatting about diabetes.

Scott Benner (15:53) We'll get Jenny there. (15:54) We'll get Erica there. (15:55) We're working on some other stuff as well. (15:56) I think you're gonna love it. (15:58) Check it out.

Scott Benner (16:00) Oh gosh. (16:00) And I said all that because on my social media, can see some videos of the ship. (16:04) I think that's how I started down that path. (16:05) Sorry. (16:06) Alright.

Scott Benner (16:06) Let's give you one more of these and wrap this sucker up, shall we? (16:09) What do I want to play for you Right when my dick stops working. (16:15) No. (16:15) We'll save that one for later. (16:19) Rob, we're I can't do custom intros for all the episodes.

Scott Benner (16:25) Let's see. (16:27) No. (16:27) That's funny. (16:27) I can't do that for you. (16:30) Let's do this one.

Scott Benner (16:31) I used to have this awesome skill when I was younger, like stopping myself from breathing and then making noises, and I tried it for Rob one day. (16:39) Robert, I have no idea what to call this one. (16:41) This one took me by surprise. (16:54) You ever do this? (16:55) Do you ever go I used to be better at this when I was younger.

Scott Benner (17:02) Maybe I need a drink. (17:03) Hold on. (17:05) It's like you stop breathing, and then you make, like, a noise in the back of your throat. (17:11) So good when I was a kid. (17:12) Ready?

Scott Benner (17:42) Oh my god. (17:43) Almost passed out. (17:46) That's how it's too long to hold my breath. (17:49) Alright, guys. (17:50) Listen.

Scott Benner (17:51) It is time for me to go, but I want you to know that I'm recording this on December 22. (17:57) There is a full year of podcast coming up for you. (18:00) We're gonna be running a Monday, but I'll tell you what. (18:02) Don't I know how many I'm putting up. (18:03) We're definitely doing Monday through Friday.

Scott Benner (18:05) We'll probably slip in some bolus for stuff on the weekends without ads on it, give you some ideas about how to bolus for simple, simple one item meals and more combo meals. (18:17) Jenny and I just did a combo meal one today. (18:19) It went really well. (18:19) We're gonna probably do more of that. (18:22) But I'm already looking at the first couple of weeks set up on the podcast.

Scott Benner (18:26) Emma's dad, bloopers, DK has become a problem. (18:31) Cinderella story. (18:33) Oh, squishy pushy is coming out soon. (18:36) Medtronic for the win. (18:38) There's a lot here.

Scott Benner (18:39) The other thing that you're gonna be seeing in 2026 is me at events. (18:44) So ADA, a d c e s, Friends for Life, Touched by Type one, Juice Cruise twenty twenty six. (18:52) Finalizing a deal to by the way, a deal. (18:55) They're not paying me. (18:56) I'm just showing up.

Scott Benner (18:57) A hospital in Long Island. (18:59) If you have a an event you'd like me to come out to, like, you know, come find me. (19:03) This is the year of Scott. (19:04) I'm gonna be a little bit of everywhere this year. (19:07) A lot of public events.

Scott Benner (19:09) We are trying right now. (19:10) I hope the person listening to this hears me. (19:12) I really wanna get together and do that Phillies game this summer in Philadelphia, like, you know, where everybody can buy tickets, we'll sit in the same section together. (19:20) I'll be out and about. (19:22) So come find me on the socials, in the Facebook group, you know, however you want to.

Scott Benner (19:27) You can email me through the website. (19:29) And if you'd like to be a guest on the Juice Box podcast, go to the website. (19:33) Email me, Scott@JuiceBoxpodcast.com. (19:36) Just let me know what it is you'd like to talk about, and we're gonna get you out a link, get you set up on the show, and you're gonna be part of the stories that people hear in 2026. (19:45) There'll be a ton of stories for you next year, more new series with Jenny, with Erica, and other prominent people in the diabetes community.

Scott Benner (19:54) We're gonna be talking to people from different companies about their devices. (19:58) I have a series coming out with Tandem about using their algorithm. (20:02) I've got stuff coming out with Omnipod. (20:04) I've been talking to Medtronic about making some stuff. (20:07) I've been talking to Dexcom.

Scott Benner (20:08) We're gonna get you a lot, a lot of content that you're looking for. (20:11) I hope you have an absolutely wonderful New Year, and I hope you enjoy Rob, who is not just a great editor, but a really awesome guitar player, giving you a little old Lang Syne. (20:23) Did you know it was old Lang Syne? (20:25) It's not old Lang Syne. (20:26) You know, some people think that.

Scott Benner (20:28) May old acquaintance be for you know that whole thing? (20:32) Can can I give it to you a little bit? (20:38) I'm gonna get the meaning for you. (20:40) I forget where I learned this. (20:42) I think in one of my first jobs as an adult, we were doing something for New Year's, and someone's like, you are saying that wrong.

Scott Benner (20:48) So it's often people say old long since, or it's misspelled as old langs ein, but it's old lang sine, a u l d l a n g s y n e. (21:02) I believe it's Scottish, and it does mean old long since or more naturally times long past or days gone by. (21:12) So Rob does a beautiful version of it on guitar. (21:15) I'm trying to get him to put it in right here. (21:17) Obviously, it's what I'm doing.

Scott Benner (21:18) We sing it, farewells, funerals, graduations, New Year's Eve, anytime where you kinda pause, look back in song. (21:26) And, I'm gonna give you the, I'm gonna give you the lyrics for it. (21:30) So when you hear Rob playing, you kinda sing along if you want. (21:35) Should old acquaintance be forgot and never brought to mind? (21:39) Should old acquaintance be forgot and old lang sein?

Scott Benner (21:44) For old lang sein, my dear. (21:46) For old lang sein. (21:48) Will take a cup, oh, kindness yet, And surely, you and surely, you'll be your surely, you'll be your pint stop. (22:01) Leave this in, Rob, for people so they can hear the bloopers live. (22:04) And surely ye okay.

Scott Benner (22:06) Ready? (22:07) And surely you'll be your pint stop, and surely I'll be mine, and we'll take a cup of kindness yet for Auld Lang Syne. (22:16) We toa run about the braze and pal the goin's fine, but we've wandered money a weary fit. (22:26) Sin on Lang Syne. (22:28) Wow.

Scott Benner (22:28) This gets, like, really. (22:30) I'd oh, jeez. (22:33) We'd I'd I'd the burn. (22:37) Fry morning sun till dine, but sees between us, braid Hayward. (22:43) Sin on all the lang sign.

Scott Benner (22:47) And there's a hand, my trusty fire, and guys, a hand, o thine, and will take a right guild willy wot for all the lang sign. (22:57) Alright. (22:57) Let's let's see that in modern English, shall we? (23:00) See if I can get you like a I didn't know I was gonna be doing this. (23:04) It's kind of interesting.

Scott Benner (23:05) I hope you think it's interesting. (23:07) Modern English. (23:08) Should old friendships be forgotten and never remembered? (23:11) Should old friendships be forgotten and days long past? (23:14) This is kind of a translation.

Scott Benner (23:15) For days long past, my friend, for days long past, we'll share a cup of kindness for days long past. (23:22) You'll buy your drink and I'll buy mine, and we'll share kindness again for days long past. (23:29) We ran together through the hills and picked wildflowers, but we've walked many tired miles since days long past. (23:36) We paddled in the streams from morning until dinner, but wide oceans now lie between us since days long past. (23:43) So take my hand, my trusted friend, and give me yours, and we'll drink with goodwill for days long past.

Scott Benner (23:51) And then it goes on. (23:53) Anyway, we can all do that together. (23:56) Right? (23:56) Let's take our hands and, walk forward in 2026, learn more about taking care of ourselves and our health and our families. (24:04) Here's to a bright and prosperous New Year and a great future for people living with type one diabetes.

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