#222 Ignorance is Wedded Bliss
Scott Benner
Not borrowed, definitely blue…
Maggie was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes close to her wedding date.
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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello, everyone, and welcome to Episode 222 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today's show is sponsored by Omni pod Dexcom and dancing for diabetes, you can go to my omnipod.com forward slash juice box, dancing the number four diabetes.com or dexcom.com forward slash juice box to find out more about the sponsors. And if you can't remember those links, don't worry. I've included them at Juicebox podcast.com. And in the show notes of your podcast
Unknown Speaker 0:27
app.
Scott Benner 0:31
Today's guest is Maggie, and I'm going to tell you something she really delivered. I don't really know another way to say it. And she really came forward with good solid clear information. She knew what she wanted to say. And she said it. Please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise and to always consult a physician before making changes to your medical plan for becoming bold with insulin. If somehow you haven't had enough of me on this podcast and like to come out and you'd like to come out and see me live, I will be at touched by type one on May 18 in Orlando, Florida. And I'm speaking at the jdrf type one nation event in Kansas on November 16. If you'd like me to come to your event, just go to Juicebox podcast.com. Scroll to the bottom of the page hit contact send me a note.
Maggie 1:26
I don't know if this is ironic or not, but like going low at the moment.
Scott Benner 1:31
Well, we should definitely take care of that. How low Are you getting?
Maggie 1:34
The dexa saying that I'm 77 with a diagonal down right now and I just took a shower. So I'm guessing that it's probably just like a little bit of Aftershock from the shower.
Scott Benner 1:49
When do you start feeling low?
Unknown Speaker 1:51
I usually feel it
Maggie 1:52
out like 55 that's when I can really feel it where I feel like Okay, it's time to definitely do something right now. I don't know if this makes me like a controversial diabetic or not. But I don't mind sitting at 70 if I'm stable, I keep a close eye on it and stuff and make sure that I don't fall anymore or, but I definitely try to stay in a good range as much as possible. I'm not a person that gets scared at, like, ad or anything like that.
Scott Benner 2:27
That makes me think of two things. First of all, you've very likely already named the episode controversal diabetic. And secondly, when you say when you say a good range, like what's the range you're shooting for?
Unknown Speaker 2:44
Um, yeah,
Maggie 2:46
I guess saying the word good is like kind of controversial as well, like, good and bad are trigger words, especially the diabetic sometimes. But the range that I try to stay in, for the majority of the day is between 80 and 120.
Scott Benner 3:03
That's, that's it. That's I reshoot we shoot for 7120 Yeah. And then and Arden's Dexcom is set at 70 and 130. So I find out before she finds out, just just so we can I can start thinking about it before it comes up. Please don't forget to go to dancing for diabetes.com sometime today, just you know, when you have a moment you're sitting at a computer on your phone, go to dancing the number four diabetes.com
Maggie 3:33
My name is Maggie and I have had diabetes since February of this year. So I'm not even yet I think maybe that's on? Yeah. Interesting. Okay, long.
Unknown Speaker 3:46
What are you Maggie,
Unknown Speaker 3:48
I just turned 26
Scott Benner 3:50
any diabetes or other endocrine issues in your family?
Unknown Speaker 3:55
Um,
Maggie 3:55
so my maternal uncle was diagnosed with type one when he was in his 30s. And that is the only other person endocrinology or there's a little bit of type two diabetes for like, we know that they don't really have anything to do with each other. So I don't usually like
Scott Benner 4:21
to you're on today because you're MDI, right.
Maggie 4:24
Yeah. passionately, on MDI. Well, that
Scott Benner 4:27
also could be the title of the episode passionately. But I wanted to kind of go backwards first to something you alluded to, because I saw something recently that made me feel like this, too. So you said that like, maybe good range could be considered a trigger word. For people with type one and there's a there's a ton of them. We could sit here and list them all. People, you know, some people get very upset if a comic makes a joke about diabetes. Some people don't care. Some people say oh, you can't say test your blood sugar because that sounds like It's a great and some people don't care. Some people don't want to be called diabetic. Some people, like there's a ton of personal preference around how we speak about things, and which is all 100% fine. But I saw something the other day, that threw me off. And I don't know that I've ever said it on the recording before, I will say it to people privately all the time, but I'm going to say it here to you. So there are the community of people with type one diabetes who have an outlet now to share about their diabetes is much bigger in terms of the people, because social media is so much simpler to get started. Now, like if you know, 10 years ago, if you wanted to share with people, you had to design a blog and put it online and it was hard to accomplish. So it you know, but now, if you have an Instagram account, or you know something that you can set up rather quickly, you can can pretty quickly get out into the space and start talking. And so I saw I've seen recently, another rash of another one of those things that we don't say, quote unquote, which is people are either happy to share their agency or very much act like they should never. And and the people that I hear say, Well, I don't share my eight, one c because I don't think it's fair to compare. Those are also sometimes the same people who are telling you, this is the way you should be living your life with diabetes, I find it interesting that they're willing to say do all this stuff that works great. But I won't tell you the results of what I'm doing. And I and I wonder sometimes if that's disingenuous or not, because the only reason I share my daughter's a one z is so that you can listening have some confidence that what I'm telling you, this is how it's resulting for us at least. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it would be a strange thing, I think, to tell somebody, hey, this is how I eat, and it's really great and everything. But I can't tell you what my results are with my blood sugar. All right, so but and so it you just made me think of that when you said that? Because I don't think there's anything wrong with saying a good range. I mean, is it is it? Would it be wrong to say that if your blood sugar's between 350? And 380? That would be a bad range? Yeah, I
Maggie 7:13
mean, it's, it's so hard to say, because, for me, I guess I get nervous about saying good and bad. Because
Unknown Speaker 7:26
I, I mean,
Maggie 7:29
I haven't had diabetes for very long. I'm very new to this. But, um, but I'm, I'm actually not afraid to say that I think that I'm doing really well. And I think I'm taking really good care of myself. And I'm fortunate that I have like the resources and the support to be so successful. And so sometimes, I guess my hesitation to maybe try not to say good or bad, or whatever, is because I know that not everyone is in the same position that I am. And so I would I my sensitivity is that I, I don't want to make someone feel bad when I say, like, I tried to keep my blood sugar between 80 and 120. And I do it.
Scott Benner 8:19
No, I agree with you and I have that same Listen, you'll hear me stumble over words. Sometimes I don't want to say things that will make somebody feel terrible. That's obviously not my goal. It shouldn't be anyone's goal. And, and at the same time, I think that here's kind of what I think I was thinking about this this morning, as we were getting ready to talk. There are homes that are nearby my house that cost three times what my house cost. And I look at it and sometimes I feel jealous or unaccomplished. You know, my son had a friend growing up, excuse me, and his house was just so much nicer than mine. And when I walked into it, even though I don't think I have a bad house, I used to feel bad about myself. I was like, wow, how were they able to accomplish this, and this is all I was able to do. And I think it's similar, except, that's at least more fine. It's, that's more concrete, there's a person out there earning way more money than I can earn. That's fair enough, but being jealous about that, that maybe is reasonable. But when you see someone walking around with an A one C, and the fives or the sixes or the sevens or whatever, is markedly better than what you have. I don't see how people feel jealous about that or angry I would, that would make me feel hopeful that you don't mean like if I was pulling a seven and a half a one C. And someone came along and said, Hey, I have a 5.4 I would think wow, that's possible. I wonder how that person is accomplishing that. I would like to know those things. I just think it's just I understand the I understand how it can initially make you feel but to me, it's always just seemed hopeful that someone had that a one seat or someone could keep their blood sugar between 80 and 120 for a majority of the time I don't know, like, I think that if you're wasting your time being angry about this stuff, you've you may very well be missing out on a lot of other valuable messages for yourself.
Maggie 10:11
100% with what you're saying? I feel very, I definitely feel that way, as well as being a very, like, healthy person and then having diabetes all of a sudden, and not really knowing why. I I definitely. I mean, I think that I'm still angry about it sometimes. And I can see why other people would, why maybe seeing a lower a one fee would would be
Scott Benner 10:46
some off
Maggie 10:46
discouraging? Yeah, you know, we can see the fridging, especially if, and I think that effort is definitely perceived, like, based on the individual. And so while someone may not be trying hard in my eyes, they may feel like they are trying very hard to like change habits and to not see those results. I know how that feels. And so I guess, maybe, even though I don't necessarily agree with how they feel, I, I, I feel for them. So
Scott Benner 11:24
I felt and I felt that way in the past, too. I just, I just guess what I know, today that I didn't know, back then when I was in that same boat was I was spending a lot of unnecessary time, feeling defeated and angry and hopeless. When it turned out, I just wasn't listening to the right information.
Maggie 11:44
Right. And I, I think also that's just like, that's just like a life that needs to click on in you. And you can't necessarily force that, or you can't predict when it's going to happen. It just one day, it just clicks and you get it and I don't know maybe that some of that frustration comes from it, just not clicking with them yet.
Scott Benner 12:06
100% here and even as you're speaking, what I'm thinking is I'm having a very male reaction to this, like, I just sort of want the, you know, make if you just cut your emotion out of this, you could get to the good part. And it is I don't know if it's fair to call that a male reaction to it is sometimes mine it is, you know, the idea of like, if we could just take the drama out of this for a second, I think we could all see there's a clear path in front of us So, so I get that. And let me finish by saying this, anyone who's out in the space trying to tell people that this is a viable, you know, what I do is a viable way of living with diabetes, I, I would call on you to then show people the results of what it is you're doing. Don't just tell them this is a great thing. And, and like, you know what, if you had a I don't know, if you were gonna invest some of your money. And I was selling to you and I was like, Look, if you invest with me, trust me, it's gonna be great. It's very exciting. Everybody you invest with me is very happy. You're going to love it. And then you said, Okay, well, can you show me your results from last year? I should not. And I don't want to show you that. You just give me all your money. You can't just promise people something. And and, and not show them how it ends, like show me how it ends. You know, maybe it's a, maybe it's a 781 C, maybe it's an eight. You know, if I have if I have a 10 a one C and you have an eight, I'd love to know how you got to an eight. Sure, you know, but don't don't go show me your pretty pictures on Instagram and on Facebook and all the places telling me all the good stuff you're doing and then don't follow through and let people know what it is they're buying. Like so yeah, and buying I obviously don't mean it's actually for sale, but you know, right, trying to get somebody to buy into an idea. Have the courtesy to show them how it ends. That's all so that's obviously something I heard somewhere and I'm not gonna say any more that made me upset. But but so Maggie, we're gonna dive right in here with you. Here's going to be here's where my cynicism jumps right in. You're doing really great with MDI. And then I'm gonna say, but you've only had diabetes for eight months. And isn't it possible? You're still honeymooning? So are you still honeymoon? We're gonna find out in a moment if Maggie's honeymoon is over, but today is a perfect day to begin your union with on the pod. I want you to go to my omnipod.com forward slash juice box or click on the links in your show notes or Juicebox podcast.com to get a free, no obligation demo of the Omni pod today. That's right when you go to my link on the pod, we'll send you a peck a pod experience kit and in that kit, you're gonna get a demonstration pod that you can actually wear. I don't worry it doesn't insert the candle or anything like that. It's a demonstration pod. But you will be able to get a feeling for where on your body you'll want to wear the on the pod and how it feels because you're going to have only the half the size that the pod itself is all real. Not a fake pod. It's not a fod. It's not a fake on the pod demo. It's a pack up pod experience kit. Now we've, we've all been to a wedding, you know what happens to the end, you get a kiss. So take a pack from Omni pod, jump into your marriage with the world's greatest and only tubeless insulin pump. Not only will you get a pack to start off your marriage, you're going to get the same amazing insulin pump that Arden has been using. Since she was four years old. 11 years. Go to Miami pod.com forward slash juice box you put in your name, a tiny bit of information. And on the pod, we'll send you a pod experience kit directly to your door. All that's left is to put it on and find out if you like it. Do your Juicebox Podcast listener take the Omni pod tubeless insulin pump to be your wedded insulin pump to have and to hold to Bolus and to bazel in the shower out for as long as you need the untethered freedom of the greatest insulin pump on the planet. Miami pod.com forward slash juice boxes the links in your show notes for Juicebox podcast.com. May your honeymoon with Omni pod never end? Are you still hunting? Well, my
Maggie 16:10
doctor had told me that I am out of my honeymoon. She said that my pancreas is producing like such little insulin that it it's not doing any it's really not doing anything. From what I have seen on the internet and know of other people. My insulin to carb ratio seems pretty on point with people who have had diabetes their whole entire lives. Not that that necessarily has anything to do with honeymooning.
Unknown Speaker 16:43
But
Maggie 16:45
that was kind of how I was gauging that. Myself Plus, I like it. I have probably pushed every button I could with this disease, even in the last eight months where I'm just like, oh, like you can eat that and not not taking insulin for it. Like it's just one thing. But I can't even eat a serving of carrots without my blood sugar, like going up. And so if this is my honeymoon, I am not looking forward to what's coming later. Because
Scott Benner 17:21
Did you ever notice an uptick? Like where it was like, Hey, this is easier, and then all of a sudden it got harder? Was there a time when that happened? Or did you maybe just start closer to where you are now do you think?
Maggie 17:32
No, I think I definitely just started closer to where I am now. I I believe that I was undiagnosed for about 10 months. 10 months. So um, I think that that was probably where I lost out on my honeymoon. And
Scott Benner 17:49
you used it up before you knew you needed it.
Maggie 17:52
Yeah, seriously,
Scott Benner 17:54
was that first 10 months before you knew you had type one? Like, were you having health issues?
Maggie 17:59
Yeah, I was. And I was explaining them away and ignoring them. And looking back on it, it, it was actually really, really hard to to not have access to the things that my body needed or to not be treating it as well as I should have fun. I remember the first diagnosed in February. So I really started seeing symptoms that summer. And I was working. And I said to my boss when you were in your like mid 20s, like 25 because I was I was almost I was about to be 25 I think at the time, and did you ever just get really thirsty? And like, you just felt like you couldn't drink enough. You're just so thirsty. And she just looked at me like, no,
Scott Benner 18:54
that's not a thing that happens. Never.
Unknown Speaker 18:56
Yeah.
Maggie 18:58
And I just thought I was dehydrated. I was like you're dehydrated or you're something your hormones are changing. Like maybe you're going through some hormonal thing or I don't know something that your body needs more water and listen to your body. You need to be drinking more like I was telling myself, like, take better care of yourself drink more water. And at the same time I was eating like a
Unknown Speaker 19:24
probably,
Maggie 19:25
oh, just like two I mean, like two bags of candy a day, probably at that point.
Scott Benner 19:32
So you had that insatiable hunger and the thirst and were you losing weight on top of it. So
Maggie 19:38
I was very slowly losing weight in the beginning I would say just like it was just coming off slowly, very slowly. To the point where I was thinking like, Oh, I was preparing for a wedding. My husband and I got married in January. So we it was leading up to that and so we were working out a little bit I was just like, Oh, it's just, you know, you're just like losing weight from working out. And I felt like I was eating better, even though I was kind of mindlessly eating sugar all day. Because my body was just craving those, like, very simple carbs to keep it going. Yeah. I
Scott Benner 20:22
see. And you say you were diagnosed a month after your wedding?
Maggie 20:25
Yeah, like almost to the day? Wow,
Scott Benner 20:28
that's not the classic wedding gift for a spouse. What were you planning on getting? Oh, did you know? So this is really interesting. When you find out you have type one. Are you by yourself in the doctor's office? Or is your husband with you?
Maggie 20:46
So I, we had actually gone into the doctor's office, because, um, I had, you know, I had continued to have, you know, the classic symptoms going up, and I lost about 40 pounds leading up to our wedding. And then on the day of our wedding, I actually lost my vision. And I had very blurry vision, and I couldn't really see. And, but I didn't say anything to anyone because I was like, maybe they won't let me get married. And I didn't want that. So we put it off, I've kind of put it off. And then my vision came back a little bit. And then and then it came, I lost it even worse. So I finally got put on my husband's health insurance. And we decided to go to the doctor to check out my eyes. And even sitting in the doctor's office, he was asking me some of the symptoms, and I told him the blurry vision. And basically that was it. That was all I wanted to talk about. Because I was not about to complain about losing weight to anyone. And my husband was like, Well, I mean, she she's lost about 40 pounds, too. And I kind of like looked at him like why are you selling me out? Like the doctor?
Scott Benner 21:59
I'm just here for contact buddy. Let's not answer. pounds mean. No, I hear you. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 22:08
Um,
Maggie 22:10
so they took a, they took a blood test, or they took a blood sample or whatever. And I remember just freaking out. Like, I do not like needles. I don't want needles on me. I don't want needles in me. No, no, no, I mean, my hands really clammy and white, and I was sweating. And so they took the blood sample. And I was just like, cool. Like, I'm glad that's over. And then we made an appointment to go see an ophthalmologist the next day. So we went home, we had pizza for dinner. And woke up the next morning to a voicemail on my phone that the on call doctor had left at like 1am that my results were in it. My blood sugar was over 700 and that she was like it was the most disturbing phone call I've ever had in my whole entire life. She was like you need to go to the emergency room right away. This is extremely dangerous. Yeah. And she said, I don't know if you're a diabetic or not. But you need to go to the emergency room. And I was like, what the
Unknown Speaker 23:17
EFF? Like, no kidding. Well, I
Maggie 23:19
can't swear on here. Yeah, but if we do lose
Scott Benner 23:23
iTunes in a couple of countries, so but but so otherwise, wouldn't it be fun just to curse about that? Maybe I'll have to just do a different diabetes podcast or be all curse about it. But so when you were talking about I have to say I've, I've sat here and listened to hundreds of people tell me about their diabetes and you described your vision blurriness like it frightened me like that was that was really something you must have had such an overwhelming feeling of I'm not gonna interfere with this wedding today. Because if my my vision goes blurry like that, I'm done. I'm going right to a doctor. So that was that was really that had to have been incredibly frightening. Do you think it ruined the day for you? On some level? Did it was the day not what you expected because of it? Or did your pancreas kick in a little bit and let you
Maggie 24:10
know, it was perfect. The day was perfect. And I'm even looking back on it. I thought many times like, I'm so lucky to be alive. And I'm, I'm very fortunate that it worked out the way that it did and I I am happy that it happened when it happened and that I I was able to enjoy that day without without worrying about it. I think, especially with the diagnosis right before that, I think I think it would have been hard for me to really enjoy it and focus on on the day and what it was truly supposed to be about. So
Scott Benner 24:52
you know, in a way my ignorance was wedded bliss to I've lived Two things together.
Unknown Speaker 25:01
Yeah. That
Scott Benner 25:03
clearly is not going to be the episode title. So I usually don't have six ideas for a title by 25 minutes in, but today I do. So here was I love your story. And I'm really happy you shared it with me. I was asking because then I was gonna ask you a harder question, which was, did you at any point look and think, Wow, this isn't what this guy thought he was getting when we decided to get married. Were you worried about that at all? When you had to tell him you had died? Like when he realized you had type one did that? Where are you on a personal level, like for your relationship? I'm gonna go to my messages for this text combat. The technology for this disease is life changing. And without Dexcom we couldn't manage the way we do. From 10 minutes ago, I've been listening to your podcast for a while now. It got me into buying a Dexcom g sex and I'm loving it. I've been able to avoid hypo and hyper glycaemia with my Dexcom. Thank you. Let's see what this person said. Hmm, this one's about army pod wrong ad. Scrolling, we have Dexcom when we can finally start living a normal life and not being afraid anymore. Thank you Next scrolling. Look at this Dexcom errors were steady throughout the night. I slept like a baby. Next. This person says I'm randomly just clicking onto my square do up ones about when the Pre-Bolus skoolie do. Here's one, we just got Dexcom. Better late than never thank you so much love all the content. So easy to understand. Some of that was about how great the podcast was not just XCOM. but you get the point. These people's results are their own, and yours may vary. But I do know that you're gonna love the share and follow features that are available for iPhone and Android. And you're going to absolutely adore being able to see what direction your blood sugar is moving and how fast it's getting there. The dexcom g six is where we get the data to make decisions about Ardennes management. And I think you're gonna love it. Go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box and get started today. Tell them the Juicebox Podcast Center. When he realized you had type one did that, were you on a personal level like for your relationship?
Maggie 27:31
I'm not really we. I mean, it was truly love at first sight for us. And we have just been. I mean, all the cliches are inseparable since the day that we met and, and we love each other very much. I think that both of us had nervousness that maybe our lives would not be what we had planned them to be because now I have this. But I mean, to two months, three months after my diagnosis, we went to Iceland for a week and Ireland for a week on our honeymoon. And we go backpacking together, we go hiking, I'm super active. And it's just, it's just something to plan for. And so I think that in the beginning, he really, he spent probably the first like, month on the internet searching for your cure, and just obsessively researching, trying to figure out how to fix it until he kind of realized that like, this is just something that we will live with and something that we will take care of.
Scott Benner 28:44
That's sweet. It's very sweet. He sounds like a great guy. I only I just asked because I can't remember if it's out yet or if it's an episode that hasn't gone up yet. But I was speaking with someone at one point who was living with their fiance and who is now married to them. But they didn't know they like they didn't tell the person they had diabetes. It was just too hard for them to to share. And I just didn't know how hard it would be to look at somebody when you were just a month pasture your wedding and say, Hey, you know, this is now something that I have that's not going away. And I didn't know I just didn't know. But I have your answers. Beautiful. I I'm really happy for you that that was your situation. So
Maggie 29:22
yeah, I mean, he was at the hospital with me and he drove me to the ER. And so the whole time. I mean, I remember we were just like sitting in the hospital bed together, like playing cards or something. And just like kind of waiting for answers, not really knowing what was going on. And I I truly felt like we were sitting there just like, I felt like we were kids just kids sitting in this big bed playing games together and somebody comes in and they're like, well, you have diabetes, and the doctor just walked out and we just kind of looked at each other like one Yeah, what is going on?
Scott Benner 30:02
I can tell you that at around your age, my wife and I were having our first baby. And when they brought Cole into the room the first time the nurse came in, and was like, Hey, here's the baby, I'm gonna leave. I had, I didn't just have the thought. I said it out loud to her. I said, Listen, you don't know us, but possibly be breaking a law by leaving that baby here. Like, I'm not 100% confident we can keep this kid alive. I really think that if you took any kind of a medical oath, you might want to hang back and watch us for a while, you know, and it really did make me feel like I was 12. And I think that's what you're talking about. Is that that sort of idea of like, I've never gone through anything like this before in my life. I've never been the adult in one of these situations. And and it's about me, and it is frightening. It really is. Yeah. So when did you find because I heard you say Dexcom. Right. You have a CGM? Yes,
Maggie 30:59
I use the in pen as my pen needle. And Dexcom.
Scott Benner 31:07
Did you find out about impact on the show any chance?
Unknown Speaker 31:09
No, I did not.
Scott Benner 31:10
Come on. You could have just said yes.
Unknown Speaker 31:12
Sorry. No, it's
Unknown Speaker 31:13
fine. Feel free to edit about Yes, I did. Wow, great.
Scott Benner 31:18
No, I would never do that. That's so funny. So you see, you're using in pen, which is this app that you know, they were on the show a few months back. It's an app that goes with their pen, and it gives you a lot of the functionality from an IT that an insulin pump has built with the pen. Oh, the only thing I guess you lack is the ability to manipulate your basal insulin.
Unknown Speaker 31:39
Right? Right. So
Scott Benner 31:40
tell me a little bit about your day with MDI. Because you're you're doing what is your agency? Can I ask?
Maggie 31:46
So my a one c upon my diagnosis was 15.9. And my a one C, three months after that, at the end of May? was 6.4. And I haven't gone I'm due for another a one C, but we just moved from Chicago to Michigan. So I am waiting for an appointment with my new endocrinologist. And, but according to the dexcom clarity, it looks like I'm going to be at about the same place probably like a 6.56
Unknown Speaker 32:23
point,
Maggie 32:25
I would guess. 6.3 to 6.5. Somewhere in there just based off of my average.
Scott Benner 32:31
What is it? Yeah. 128 133. Like in that space? Yeah,
Maggie 32:34
it's somewhere between there. Somewhere around 130 I believe.
Scott Benner 32:43
It's amazing. And you don't? Yeah, absolutely. I am. And so you don't restrict your diet at all. By the way, if I lost 40 pounds, I would have eaten pizza every day, I would have been like, yeah, this is the this is the world giving me the okay to have pizza for dinner every day. Right? That so let me just ask you about a little bit about you're not restricting your diet, obviously. And you're, and you're staying in a really great amazing range with MDI. Can you tell me a little bit about how you?
Maggie 33:13
Yeah, so I I definitely don't feel like I have a restricted diet. But I do eat lower carb, maybe than the average American does. I try to pick options I call them I say that they're foods that are gentle in my blood sugar. So instead of eating like a deep dish pizza, I'll eat like a cauliflower crust pizza or something like that, just to give myself I don't know healthier options to like, when you get older, you can't just eat hohos all day and like Doritos and stuff like that. You have to kind of pick and choose your treats, I guess. So. In the morning, I have quite I show quite a bit of insulin resistance. So I try to eat little to no carbs. And just like a little bit of healthy fat. So something that I would normally eat is like scrambled eggs and some bacon and avocado. And then I've never really been a bread eater. So it's not it's not weird for me to not eat bread in the morning because I've just never been a bread morning person. But like if I'm going to eat a doughnut or something, that would be like a special occasion.
Scott Benner 34:39
And while you don't limit carbs, you don't have a very carb heavy lifestyle.
Maggie 34:45
I wouldn't say that. Yeah, probably but I also don't. I never if I want something myself No. So I don't feel like I'm restricted. I feel like I definitely get to eat whatever I want whenever I want I just plan to pick, I guess, more lower carb or gentle carb meals.
Scott Benner 35:11
So if you get up in the morning said you're a little resistant in the morning, but you stay with I mean eggs and bacon is pretty low. That's fairly low carb. So. So do you end up having to Bolus or to inject just for the eggs and bacon still? Or do you think would you be giving yourself insulin that time in the morning no matter what?
Maggie 35:28
No, I have to give myself insulin that time in the morning no matter what. So say, if I wake up, like say I wake up kind of high, which happens sometimes. So if I wake up like between 140 and 150, or something, if I just like, decided to ignore the Dexcom beeps in the morning, then I would give myself usually, usually I just give myself three units right when I wake up. And though that will bring my blood sugar down very, very, very slow, just like a slow, steady fall. And then, by the time that I'm eating something for breakfast, I might have to bolus like another unit for the protein. I have to Bolus for protein, protein heavy meals, just because they both tend to raise my blood sugar over time.
Scott Benner 36:22
A lot of people talk about needing insulin for protein. It's not just not just you, Arden had a fairly low carb meal last night, but still had. Like there was chicken, you know, a little bit of bread. And there were a lot of steamed vegetables, like a mix of steamed vegetables that she ate. And we I bought a fairly heavy for that meal.
Unknown Speaker 36:43
Like Yeah,
Scott Benner 36:44
like I would have if it was you know, if she took like a half a French bread with or something like that. Anyway, but but still a fair amount of it's and what's the difference between the amount you would give yourself in the morning for eggs and bacon. And the difference and the amount you might give yourself for eggs and bacon in a donut.
Unknown Speaker 37:01
Um,
Maggie 37:01
so if I was going to eat a doughnut, I would Bolus probably. I mean, it depends on where my blood sugar that you know, it's like, kind of a hard question that you're not going through it in the moment. A lot of my management is just feeling how do I feel? What does this number look like? What does this food that I'm eating look like? And how much do I think it's going to take? So if I'm going to have a donut, which is going to be like a thick, cakey old fashioned donut covered in glaze,
Unknown Speaker 37:33
that would be my choice.
Maggie 37:35
I mean, I look at that donut. And I would think I don't know, probably 30 carbs, 40 carbs would be my guest for that. I mean, it's like a good sized donut.
Unknown Speaker 37:46
So
Maggie 37:48
I would Bullis up front for it allow myself to eat the eggs and bacon and then I would probably wait and look and see where my if my blood sugar is falling yet. And I would almost treat it like I would wait for it to fall. But then it also depends on where my blood sugar is, is my blood. Did I wake up at 80? Or did I wake up at 121 30? Like? It really it depends. It's a feeling you have to it's it's a lot of intuition. And like, I hear you say this on the podcast quite a bit. And it is something it's become a mantra to me something that I tell myself when I'm making these decisions is what's my blood sugar? How much do I think this is? What do I know will happen? I've done this before, what do I know will happen? How do I know my blood sugar will react to this in this moment? And? And I just I take it from there? Yeah, I don't know. It's like a non answer. Answer. I feel like but it is. It really is a feeling that I have. And so
Scott Benner 38:58
Maggie, this was in my opinion, the perfect answer. I was thrilled to hear you say that I you know, I was like, wow, that's because you've only been doing it for a certain amount of time. I don't know where else you're getting your diabetes information from if it's all coming from this podcast, or if it's coming from a collection of places or whatever you're doing. So I'm not aware of that. But I'm just thinking about Maggie's doing what I would do, but you're doing it like right away upfront in the first number of months. I think that's really exciting actually.
Maggie 39:26
Yeah, I started in April. I started doing this in April. Um, I mean, I also have to say that I'm yes I'm doing this on MTI because I I enjoy being on MTI. I like the perceived freedom that it gives me of, you know, the depth but I couldn't do it without Dexcom I would not feel this comfortable without Dexcom this, what I do, how I manage this, like anyone on MDI can do what I'm doing with pens. Or with syringes. But could I manage the way that I do without Dexcom? Know
Scott Benner 40:08
what number two? you correct? Do you correct numbers that get away from you? Or you don't just wait them out? I imagine. Oh, no, I
Maggie 40:15
correct right away. And this is where the in pen really comes in, because it's nice to be able to look and see how much insulin I have on board. And to, to look at it and be able to know like, okay, I maybe just missed this bolus, and I didn't time it right. And I look at it and I see where's my blood sugar going? Like, do I think it's going to even out? Do I not what's going to happen? How much insulin Do I have on board? And if I feel like maybe the insulin just hasn't caught up yet? I might wait it out. Otherwise, the minute that I start, like feeling uncomfortable, like, Wow, you really messed this up, like time to bring it back. Trying to reel it back in is like, again, a feeling but um, depends on how much insulin is on board and how high I'm getting. So depending on what I'm eating, whatever, it's just so hard to say.
Scott Benner 41:12
I just, I Arden and I just recorrect really corrected her lunch while you were talking. So Arden's you know, growing a lot, like a lot, a lot. And you know, so if if I would say to give this context, it is October now in 2018, about 12 to 18 months ago, Arden was five one, and she probably weighed about 80 pounds, maybe 85 pounds. And now she's five, five, and she weighs 117 pounds. And so it's you know, she gets her period. Now, it's you know, it's a standard issue period, not the starter period. It's you know, it's, she's growing a lot. And we are actually, Maggie, you're going to be the first person I get to tell about this. So Arden got her a one C on Monday. And it was when we sat down in the office. And I said to the doctor said to me the doctor, I've never seen the doctor, I wouldn't know the doctor, they bit me Actually it's the it's the nurse practitioner. And she says, Where do you think you're at? Because we play that game? And I said, well, the clarity app tells me five, seven. But I can tell you this has been the most difficult three month period since I figured out diabetes like not prior to prior to understanding things the way I do now. That was a disaster. But since I've kind of put these things all together that we talked about on the podcast, this is the this has been the most difficult three months. And I said because her insulin needs are going up significantly for food but not for other things. Right, right. And so you know, I'm seeing two, two spikes a day that are going to about 180 or so and I'm having more trouble getting them back down than normal. And so the you know that that times a little greater and it's just been more of a struggle. Well, I'm basically reteaching myself what it is I do, because Arden's now a different person. She's not the same person, I learned how to do this on basically right, I'm refiguring it out. I said without the without the clarity app, I would tell you if I didn't have if I didn't have that clarity app to tell me where her average blood sugar's were through the last three months. I would guess like a six and a half a one say, but because I have the app, I'm going to tell you the app says five, seven, but I bet you it's gonna be higher. And you know, five minutes later, the nurse came in the room, she puts the piece of paper on the table. And the nurse practitioner looks at the piece of paper and she turns to me and she goes it's five sec's and I was like what was a really hard three months you don't know and and she's looking at me like, like, I'm an idiot. And then she goes you this is the best day one see anyone's gonna have in here all month like what do you mean? I was like I'm telling you it was harder. And so you know, I'm because I'm now refiguring things out. And so just now. Now just now a half an hour ago we did Arden's Bolus for lunch, she did think we did 12 and a half units extended it gave her 50% right away and 50% over a half an hour just so she could get to lunch. And then we caught a diagonal up at 140. After after it went to 110. We caught a diagonal up at 140. And I took me a couple minutes to get a hold of her to Bolus and so I just got her put in three more units. And I stopped the straight up arrow at like 179. So this may end up being too much insulin and if it is, it will be too much insulin an hour or so from now right and then we'll grab it with some juice. Right But I'm just not messing around anymore. Like I'm just you know not that hurry once is obviously terrific. I'm not I'm certainly not saying that. But at the beginning of this year, it was five to, and then at the second test this year with the five, four, and now it's a five, six. So no shame in any of those numbers, obviously, but I am trending in the wrong direction. So I have to make some sort of an adjustment to what I'm doing. And as I thought about it, I realized that when we're catching these spikes at meals right now, I am not as aggressively going after them as I once was. And so I've decided to just be more aggressive about it. You know, so that's, that's what we're doing right now. So she was 120. When she got her insulin, she is 180 right now, and I can see the arrow just went from straight up to diagnose up which means we've caught it, and it's gonna start coming the other way again, but I'm not gonna make the mistake of sitting and waiting like I did these last three months,
Maggie 45:53
right? Yeah, I don't, I don't sit and wait too much. Sometimes if I'm dealing with a food that maybe I'm not familiar with, I might give it a little more wiggle room, then something else. But I've really learned in these last eight, nine months, whatever that the answer is generally more influence.
Scott Benner 46:17
Yeah, thank you. You're like my Luke Skywalker. As you were talking, I was like, this is this is really cool. Like, you really got a lot out of this podcast in a short amount of time. I'm very happy for you. But I'm also pleased to know that it shocked you so much. If I really was a Jedi, I would just put my hand up and make you go to dancing for diabetes.com I guess. But since I can't do that, I'm just gonna ask, won't you go to dancing for diabetes.com to learn more about the organization that helps children living with Type One Diabetes through dance, dancing, the number for diabetes.com. And if you're in the Orlando area, I'll be speaking at their touch by type one event in may check out the website for that information as well.
I do you think you were so available to the information like because it easily could have scared you like is something about your personality? Is that like, what made you so like, Hey, I'm gonna go do things the way no one else is telling me about it.
Maggie 47:28
I just think that it made sense to me. I think, in general, I'm a pretty rational and reasonable person. My husband and I, we say that his name is Frankie, my friend he and I we say that to each other quite a bit like, Oh, well, we're rational and reasonable. So this makes sense to us. like things like that. And I just think that it made sense. Like if your blood sugar is high, use more insulin. I don't I mean, it's a it's a basic, it's a very basic thing. But I, it was interesting that you were saying how your nurse practitioner was saying, Well 5.6, like almost like you shouldn't be complaining about that. Or you shouldn't feel bad about that, or whatever. Because that's the best. That's the best a one c I'll have in here all month. And I wouldn't say that that makes me mad. But it disappoints me, because I had a similar situation with my nurse practitioner when I went in for a visit in July. And she was saying, you know, your agency is really crazy. And the the diabetic educator, nutritionist, she was telling me that she felt like 6.4 was low. That's what she was saying. And so I was like, wait, God, I know, you're wrong. First of all, I'm not going to talk to you anymore. But um, you know, like, you have to you have to find your audience for sure. In this, which can be hard when doctors are limited. But the nurse practitioner was saying, well, you look great. Your numbers look great, everything's great. And I was extremely like, how are you? You know, how are you doing this? How are you managing it, and I just explained to her how I use the insulin on board from the intent. And I also I told her at the time that I was like, I know that I need to Pre-Bolus like, sometimes 45 minutes, I don't have to do this anymore, but at the time I did. I have to Pre-Bolus 45 minutes before I eat something because the insulin isn't affecting my blood sugar until about 30 to 45 minutes into like, if I just was fasting and I took the insulin it takes 45 minutes for it to bring me down. So and I would never have that information without the pen without being able to watch it and see that happen. The entire index combos all like every Together, I would never know how that how that happened or how the insulin affected me if I didn't have that technology. So I was explaining that to her. And how now I know when I have to bolus and so I bolus and so I'm getting successful at bolusing for meals and how just because my blood sugar is going low over time, like it's slowly drifting down, no arrow movement, just as just a steady arrow, that I don't necessarily, when I hit 70, I don't mean to necessarily correct with 15 carbs, because that's gonna spike me up, especially if I'm fasting and I have nothing in my system and, and my insulin is low, like when you and I started this conversation I said to you, you know, my blood sugar is kind of low, it's going low right now. And I was at what 77 with a diagonal down this whole conversation, the juice box isn't even empty. I've been sipping on an honest kids eight carb juice box. And I am sitting very comfortably at 83. So like
Scott Benner 51:10
I said, Oh, I put onto my car and drove her to school today, her blood sugar was 68. And I didn't think twice about that, because her blood sugar this year at school has been drifting up as she leaves her school over the first hour and a half. So I thought oh, 68 or, you know, we'll keep an eye on I told her when she got the car. I was like, keep an eye on this, because we just caught a diagonal up arrow. And what I told her was is we could be bolusing soon, right? And I'm not sure right? So this diagonal up arrow is working 78 levels out. Then all the sudden, back to 63. And I sent her a text and it said, drink a juice. And what I meant to say was drink a half a juice. And I just the dogs were outside and I was like doing like nine things. And so five minutes later, I thought oh no, no, I did not mean and I text her back. Did you drink that juice yet? And she said yes. All right. bolusing unit. I bought this right away. And in that campus right around 135 and drifted to 120 by the time you know, before lunch. But as soon as I as soon as I realized they didn't say half a juice. I was like, that sucks. Like, I wish that would happen. You know, but but it just it was too much. And again, to your point, little juice box, not a lot of carbs. And you know, I knew it was too much as soon as as soon as I realized what I'd said so, but I want you to know, too when I was in that, that the doctor's office, I didn't feel bad about what the doctor was saying. And I wasn't telling her that I felt bad. I was just telling her that this was the most challenging three months that I had had, since whatever it is I understand I understood, and she's not. She's not hard on me. You know, like we don't have those kinds of commerce. So Arden's endo appointments are more like, Hey, how are you? I'm good. Great. How are sites? Look, they're great. You're doing great. Thank you. Bye. Like it like, you know, it's sort of like that. But I do hear too much of what you said earlier from a lot of people that you went into your windows office with a six, four, which by the way, well done, congratulations. And and they're in there telling you No, no, this is too much. Did she think she think you were having lows? And do you have a bunch of crazy lows? Like I'm talking about? Like, are you like sitting in the 60s in the 50s for hours and doing nothing about it? You're not right.
Maggie 53:35
No, not at all. And I mean, it. Like, I guess more to my point is like you and I are lucky because we think this way, and we know that what we're doing is right for us, but someone who's maybe experimenting and doesn't have the same support, or knowledge or understanding or whatever. Like once they get to a place that would be you know, good or comfortable for your eyes. And they hear from their doctor Oh, well, you know, this is too much then they might change that. I mean, there's there's a woman who has reached out to me on instagram because she saw the in she's been using the ink pen and before she got it she was on the internet and she found me on instagram because I tagged it or whatever. And so she asks me questions quite a bit. And so we talked about the intent together and she texted me the other week and she said I'm really struggling right now. I'm I'm having a hard time like I'm binge eating quite a bit and I just can't, I can't stop. And my first thought was, oh, that's okay. Maybe don't call it binge eating. Maybe just say you're eating first of all. Like, it's okay for you to sit down and eat, you're, you're allowed to eat. But I said, Okay, do you want to follow each other on ducks calm and you can, you know, it's sometimes it's nice to have that support, you can see my numbers, I can see your numbers, and maybe we can figure some of this out or we can help you or, you know, whatever. Or maybe if you just want to follow me and see how I'm doing as like encouragement to you that that's fine, too, whatever you want. And so I follow her now. And she spends quite a bit of her day over a 300. And I just said to her, when are you bolusing Are you are you bolusing for everything that you eat, because for the most part, you need Bolus for everything you eat. And she said, My doctor told me to only take insulin at mealtimes.
Unknown Speaker 55:53
It's working out great.
Maggie 55:54
And I just thought like, she's only doing what our doctor told her to do, which is what a lot of us do, we're only doing what the experts are telling us to do. We're not getting the results that we want. And she feels bad not only about eating, but her body probably feels terrible. And because she is like that quite a bit. She, you know, now she's maybe now her body is comfortable being there. I had noticed a few times where her blood sugar started to go down quite a bit, and it got to 150. And then she spiked right back up. And I'm like, okay, she was probably coming down from that high. And she felt uncomfortable. She felt shaky, and she corrected it. And, you know, like, but it's not necessarily her fault, because she's only making decisions based off of the information that was given to her. I think what you're
Scott Benner 56:56
seeing with that person is something that is so classic and happens to most people, which is you get diagnosed and you're scared, you don't know what you're talking about. And someone gives you this basic information. Like when you're low, it's 15 carbs, then you wait 15 minutes, and you're like that stupid thing. And then you know, and they're just giving you like, it's don't die advice. It's you know, it's it's great advice that will keep you standing up and which is good advice. But they it's good advice to keep you alive. It's not good advice to keep you healthy. It's not good advice to keep your blood sugar anywhere near where it's not 300 and making you feel horrible. It's just it's starter advice. And then it doesn't go anywhere. From there. You don't get the next step. Nobody gives you more information. It just, it hits there, then people exactly what you're saying. They do what they're told. And it's gut wrenching because I'm doing what my doctor is telling me. And I'm saying to him, Hey, look, my blood sugar's high. He's going, it's okay, just bolus at meals. And so I'm doing what I'm what I'm being told, but at the same time, I know in my heart This isn't right. And, and then nobody can make that leap. It's difficult to make the leap from the doctor said this, but I know it's not right I need to over I need to consider this for myself and do what I think is right. That's a very difficult leap for most people to make. It's it's for every person who I hear, I get an email from there's like, you know, we got our kids a one c went down a point and a half, like it's like, thanks very much. But then the nurse yelled at me and said the six five was too low. Most people listen to them and then start pushing the one c back up again. It takes a takes a lot of it takes a lot of courage to look at someone and go okay, I hear you, but I'm not gonna listen. And it's it people get caught in that cycle. And then that cycle becomes a whirlwind of psychological torture and physical unpleasantness as far as long term complications, short term complications and not feeling well moment to moment. And then you just you're caught in this tornado, and he can't get out of it most of the time.
Maggie 59:01
Right? And it's just like, for, for us to not, I'm not saying us like you and me, but just for people in general not to acknowledge what a huge mental game diabetes is. It's not just the physical, it's not just the insulin, it's not just the carbs. But you know, it's I got diagnosed on a Thursday and that Saturn earned the week after that. There was the type one nation in Chicago that I went to, I mean, I was like, barely a week diagnosed, wearing my mom's three year old reading glasses because I couldn't see still and I just like, went there with my husband and my mom went with us too, and Carrie was speaking at it. I don't know what her last name is. She's,
Scott Benner 1:00:03
she's Carrie Carrie Sparling.
Maggie 1:00:05
Okay. Yeah, she's the blogger, she's the big blogger. And she said, like it something about, like, you know, it's hard not to look at these numbers and, and if and equate them to how I feel about myself. And I was only a week into it sitting there just like crying in the audience, because I felt like a failure a weekend, I felt like a failure for having diabetes. I felt like a failure for not being able to control my blood sugar. Like, I just felt like, this sucks. And it's hard. And am I ever going to figure it out? Am I ever going to have it figured out? And I just think a lot of people probably feel that way. Still, not just a week into it. And just two weeks into it a year? I think it's probably it's a common feeling and diabetes just takes a huge emotional toll.
Scott Benner 1:01:13
I agree. I couldn't agree with you more. And it's it really is. You make me think about the people who don't ever get to break free from it. They don't find whatever their answer is to get out of that space that you just described. And then that's how they live their whole life. And I'm heartbroken by that thought.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:31
It sucks.
Maggie 1:01:33
I mean, it sucks so hard. And I think a big part of it is just like, and I wish I could swear right now, but just like bad doctors, like doctors who aren't in it for the right reasons, or I don't know why. Why. Why do you want to help? diabetics if you're not interested in finding them real solutions? olace at mealtimes? I don't only eat at mealtimes I eat all day long. Like, I don't know. I mean, it's just crazy. And it's suck.
Scott Benner 1:02:15
That frustration is completely real. And it's one of the main reasons why I do the podcast because it just it's a horrible thing to think that that's what someone's being told that that's the world they get thrown into. And that they very well may never break out of it. Like, you know, you even look at your own situation. If you don't go to that event, and you don't hear Kerry speaking, maybe that pressure would have just overwhelmed you. You don't I mean, like maybe but but maybe hearing her say, I feel like this tour, it's hard not to feel like this. Just giving you a little bit of sameness, you know, and a little bit of connection. In that moment. Probably it probably really helped you at that time.
Maggie 1:02:53
Yeah, I think it definitely gave me just like real to feel the way that I felt. And to be able to accept that it was okay for me to sit in that space for a little bit. And acknowledge that I would probably feel that way, at at different times in my life. Like moving forward with this. I don't know this sounds corny, but this journey or whatever, like, it's, I mean, I'm, I'm not that far into it. I think I definitely am at a good place. I feel successful. I feel good about myself. And I just yeah, I want to I want to help other people, like I want other people to know that it's definitely possible and whether they're on the MDI, because they want to be or because that is what they can afford. Or, or for whatever reason, like it is definitely possible for you to feel successful and manage your sugar and take good care of yourself.
Scott Benner 1:04:08
Oh, absolutely. Yes. I'm glad you came onto set. We're at a an hour already. But I'm thrilled that you came on to talk about that, because it's it's incredibly important. You know, it's, we use a pump. And you know, there's a pump company that sponsors the show, and I 100% believe in it. If you and I got I mean, I would never try to talk you into anything else. But if you asked me to, I certainly would. I'd give you my pitch for pumping. But at the same time, for a myriad of reasons. There are going to be a lot of people who don't pump and they absolutely need to know that this really amazing life exists for them. You know, like you shouldn't think if I don't have a pump, I'm lost, because you're certainly not and you're a great example of that. So I appreciate you sharing that. I appreciate that. Well stories.
Maggie 1:04:56
I'm not anti pump by any means. I'm definitely like Grow, whatever works for you is, you know what you should have and you, I want I like, I want everyone to be able to have access to everything, especially Dexcom. But I mean, I am I am sure that there will be a time in the future when I decide that I'm ready to pump
Scott Benner 1:05:22
out Maggie, you'll listen to the podcast. My, one of my favorite emails is from Michael, who just sent me an email that said, okay, you when I got an iPod? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:35
amused by that? I mean?
Maggie 1:05:38
Yeah, here's your plug for Omni pod when I'm ready for a pump, it will be Omni pod. I know it will be I know that. That is, is and will be the right choice for me just based on my activity. But for me right now, like, yeah, doing great. And it's, it is hard to go 25 years of your life without having any kind of device on you. And for me, I'm just not there yet. Mentally, I'm not ready for that, to see it. Or to have the reminder, or, you know, I wear a lot of high waisted pants, and I get the best insulin like activity in my stomach. So I wouldn't want to like, I'm so vain, I wouldn't want to go up a pant size and have a saggy butt just to fit my pod. Like,
Unknown Speaker 1:06:27
I see the tight pants my daughter wears with that. Yeah, just to be okay. But
Maggie 1:06:32
I do have time for it, I'm sure.
Scott Benner 1:06:35
But I would never want to talk to you in anything you didn't want to do but I hundred percent understand what you're saying.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:41
Yeah, I'm, I'm,
Maggie 1:06:43
I feel like when the time comes that I'm ready to try and get pregnant. That will be that will be my time when I'm ready. Just to. I feel like I've got good control now. But I will want to be extremely militant, when when that opportunity in that time comes. And I think the Omni pod will be the tool I
Unknown Speaker 1:07:03
use.
Scott Benner 1:07:04
May I want to say one thing before I let you go because I feel like you've tricked me on some level today because you have this Midwestern accent but you a number of times wanted to curse. I think you sound sweeter than you are. Is that true?
Maggie 1:07:17
Oh my god. It's I mean, I have actually had quite a bit of anxiety leading up to this because I say I swear so much. I mean, all the time I like I on Instagram, if I'm like doing a like talking to the phone, like doing a story or whatever. I mean, it is like every other word that's just I lived in Chicago for six years. And, you know, it's like, just like normal for people to say the F word and common conversation or whatever, like to like, joke around or I don't know, I mean, I swear quite a bit. And so this has been many times I was like, well, and I even want to say it right now just like expressing it to you like, well, like if I mean, you're gonna have to use that bleep button a few times with this. So I'm getting pretty good, but I haven't really
Scott Benner 1:08:16
gratulations Maggie,
Unknown Speaker 1:08:16
I have to fast
Scott Benner 1:08:19
said to people privately who listened to the podcast. If you knew me, personally, you'd be amazed that I don't curse on this podcast, you'd be like, God even accomplished that this has been a very good training ground for me because I, I love just an expletive here and there for no particular reason. And I do think sometimes I'm thinking of just two days ago. I'll let you go in a second. But I was driving home talking to Michelle was it Michelle? One of them was a mom. And we were talking about something and I probably just it randomly in the first 10 minutes of our conversation cursed. And there was like a long pause and I was like, Hey, I'm not. We're not on the podcast right now. So you're probably gonna get I'm sorry if this is back a little bit. But no, I just but you don't hear probably and what everyone else who's not in the Midwest hears is that you sound so sweet. Like your accent just and you just you sound like you're You sound like you're 15 almost when you're talking to me, and I know you're not I know you're a grown person. But but it but it just it doesn't. There's an expectation that your accent isn't going to come along with an F bomb. But I feel like if we hang this up and I stop recording, I'm going to hear a completely different Maggie. So yeah,
Maggie 1:09:40
I mean, maybe I Yeah, sometimes there just are words that can really you can substitute for the F word. I just feel like it. It fills me in a way that no other words
Scott Benner 1:09:54
are gonna stop so much for coming on. I really appreciate you sharing your story first Maggie was absolutely terrific. And I really appreciate her coming on the show. I also appreciate that you listened and that you're telling other people about the show. This month is shaping up to be a another record breaking download month for the Juicebox Podcast and I have you to thank. So let me say thank you. Thank you sometime this summer, sometime this summer. I believe we're gonna write it maybe the end of the summer. gonna hit a million downloads total for the show. And we're gonna have to try to think of something to do for that some sort of a giveaway or a contest or something with prizes all figured out. Don't worry. If you're enjoying the podcast, please leave a rating and a review on iTunes. And I'll see you next week. Is it time for more Jenny Smith next week? Let me see this is April this one's gonna go up on April 15. Oh, now what do I do here that excellent supposed to go up on the 23rd third? Nope, sorry. You don't get Jenny Smith for two more weeks. But there's more diabetes pro tips coming? It just gonna have to wait. And I just figured out what the million download giveaway is gonna be. Oh, I can't wait to tell you about it. I'm not gonna do that now. Just gonna make you wait for that too, but I figured it out. least I know what I'm doing. I think you're gonna like this.
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