#862 Perry Como

March 6, 2023Scott Benner

Kim has type 1 diabetes and was diagnosed as an adult.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, welcome to episode 862 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today's guest is Kim or Kimberly, you decided what you want to call her. She is a type one diagnosed as an adult. She's a nurse, and she had a slow onset. These are the things you need to know. None of them will tell you why the episode is called what it is, but me me we'll get to it. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. Consider this if you would, if you are a person who has type one diabetes, or is the caregiver of someone with type one as a US resident, consider going to T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. Join the registry. complete the survey. When you complete the survey. Your answers help type one diabetes research. And that great super simple takes like 10 minutes completely HIPAA compliant, absolutely anonymous. And it's easy. T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo Penn. Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juicebox. today's podcast is also sponsored by ag one from athletic greens. Visit athletic greens.com forward slash juice box. When you get there, you'll be taking ownership of your health and choosing to start your day the same way I do with one delicious scoop of ag one from athletic greens. Athletic greens.com forward slash juice box. I'm gonna start the recording if your heart's racing, tell me what's going on now.

Kim 2:10
I don't know my heart's racing a little bit. I'm a little nervous.

Scott Benner 2:17
Let's talk through that, shall we? Sure. Are you up for it? What What? What you're like, No, I might not be up for it. But let's do it anyway. So

Kim 2:27
um, I don't know. I've just like listened to you, like so much the last couple months that like, I've had, like a conversation with you in my head so many times. And now I'm like, Oh my gosh, what if it doesn't come out? Right. So,

Scott Benner 2:41
okay, wait. So a conversation in your mind, like walking through this moment? Or just other?

Kim 2:49
A little bit like sometimes, like when I'm listening to you talk to other people. I like kind of thought about, like how our conversation would go.

Scott Benner 2:58
Okay. Let's start with that. Okay. Okay, we'll introduce you in a few minutes. I don't want to lose the thread here. Plus, you know, your name will be in the show notes and stuff like that people will understand. Okay, well, what do you think's going to happen?

Kim 3:17
Um, I don't know. I guess I'm just gonna tell my story. But I mean, I've heard you talk so many times that I know it's just gonna be like a conversation, but I don't know.

Scott Benner 3:29
You have no, you have no expectations of where it's gonna go. Are you? Are there things you're concerned about?

Kim 3:36
No, not at all. But I guess I have like the idea of my story in my head and I just hope it comes off, right. I don't know.

Scott Benner 3:45
All right. Are you from the Midwest? I am. I heard it when you said North Pole.

Kim 3:52
I'm from like, the suburbs of Chicago.

Scott Benner 3:54
Yeah, I was gonna say, Chicago. Ish. With my guests. I didn't want to be too specific. But that's alright. Well, okay. Let's go slow. How old are you?

Kim 4:06
I'm 31.

Scott Benner 4:07
Okay, are you married? I am newly married. Congratulations.

Kim 4:13
Thank you. Well, actually, oh my gosh, it's gonna be here next month. So I guess not that I mean, it's still nearly but yeah,

Scott Benner 4:20
stop playing that card. I just got married still time. There's still some lemon coasters on my registry. Nobody bought me. I love the lemons. Anybody. Longtime sweetheart met them on Tinder met her on Tinder. What do we got? Oh, yeah. Hi,

Kim 4:39
high school sweetheart. We've been together for 15 since 2007.

Scott Benner 4:46
Okay, hold on. It's 2022. Yeah.

Kim 4:52
We were together a long time

Scott Benner 4:53
you were together. That's a very long time. So if I subtract seven from 22 That's hard to do. because you have to carry on one. So I'm going to subtract 10 instead. And get me down to 2012. And then Riyadh set three. Does that verse? I don't Yeah, right. Yeah. So 2015 You got together?

Kim 5:13
No 22,000 sevens

Scott Benner 5:17
went the wrong way. It's okay. Nevermind 15 years. And you got married today. Now what happens? Is it camera Kimberly?

Kim 5:26
How do you like it? Um, either ones Fine.

Scott Benner 5:29
Listen, what are you doing to me?

Kim 5:33
I go by both. That's actually a funny part. My family only calls me Kimberly. But then most of my like friends and co workers call me Kim.

Scott Benner 5:41
Can I call you him? Yeah, that works. Great. All right, Kim. Where you hold now for somebody better? Why did you wait so long?

Kim 5:50
I'm mostly on him. But I mean, we were young. So I mean, that adds to the time. And then we went to college, he went to law school. And then he didn't propose until after law school. And like he went, you know, we went to just do everything on our own. So like, he wanted to buy the ring on his own. And so it just took them some time. But I mean, we were, we just had a good relationship the whole time. So it really didn't seem to matter too much. But then we had a COVID wedding. So we ended up postponed a year. So that added a year and to

Scott Benner 6:25
finally pull it together during a pandemic. Exactly. You don't need to be honest with me, but it'll be more fun if you are at times during the process where you just like, just let's What are you doing, like get to it? Or were you happy with the pace? Um,

Kim 6:43
I would say like the last year leading up to the proposal, I definitely was like, Alright, come on, is it gonna be this weekend and like, and I would, you know, ask them like, Alright, are you Let's go. Was there ever for the most part I was, I was fine with it. Did you ever have any

Scott Benner 7:01
concern that it wasn't going to happen that you'd wake up one day and be like, Oh, great. I'm 36. And this guy just left me. Oh, no, not at all. Okay. Well, then I see being well then then good for you. And you probably have your own little, like, you have like a career or a job or what do you? Yeah,

Kim 7:19
I'm a nurse. Okay. I'm a nurse. So I mean, I feel like looking back, like we definitely did it the right way. Because we we have like a nice house we bought on our own and we have you know, we both have good careers. We have nice savings. We are built to do like wedding the way we wanted to honeymoon the way we wanted to that any of that want to really have happened if we just got married younger. Yeah,

Scott Benner 7:45
she has plenty of good stuff to split up when you get divorced. Exactly. What a great thing to look forward to. Are you already looking around the house thinking like that table? How's the first year going? Is what I mean?

Kim 7:58
I'm actually it's it's going great relationship life. But it's been a very interesting year for me personally. So I don't know. It was a very interesting first year of marriage. All right. Tell me why. No, I mean, that kind of goes into like my whole story.

Scott Benner 8:18
I didn't know you were producing. Okay, hold on. Excellent. We'll go with your thought. Alright, so let's do this first. You're Kim. You're from Chicago. You're 31 How old? were you when you got type one diabetes? 27. That's four years ago. That math I can do for some reason.

Kim 8:36
Yeah, so it was four years ago. But I think the unique part and the part that like kind of goes back to me saying the last year or first year of marriage was difficult, because I only really started on short acting insulin. In September, so not even a year ago.

Scott Benner 8:53
Oh, so you had a very long honeymoon. Did they call you a lot? Or did they tell you you were tired? Yeah. So

Kim 8:58
they called me Lada. And yeah, I guess it was a honeymoon. But it was definitely prolonged by myself.

Scott Benner 9:08
And you do a lot of cinnamon burpees

Kim 9:13
did you know I did. I did like low carb, like extremely low carb and a lot of exercise. I mean, I was on Metformin. And then I also was on Lantus, so I wasn't like, completely like nothing. But yeah, I was not on short acting insulin until September when I finally was like, I can't do this anymore.

Scott Benner 9:37
So you drove your body like an electric car that had 20% left? Pretty much yeah, I'll just go real slow and see how far I can get and that and that you feel like you had an impact on it.

Kim 9:50
I did. And my doctor was telling me like, oh, it's gonna happen anytime like you know, your pancreas is eventually going to stop and I kinda like knew Whew, that I was like prolonging it. So it kind of felt like a, like a failure kinda if I didn't keep my sugars where they were at, like, on my own because I kind of really resisted the type one diagnosis, not that I didn't think it was accurate, but I just didn't want it because it is a whole different lifestyle.

Scott Benner 10:25
Yeah, did you begin to have what they call magical thinking? Like you were having more of an impact on it than you were? Or were you pretty consistent and understanding the reality of it?

Kim 10:34
No, I definitely was actually managing it, like my A onesies were like in the fives. And, but I just wasn't like, at the time, I thought I was being healthy. Because, you know, I was active, and I was eating healthy. But my body actually gave me signs that I wasn't actually healthy. And how so it just got to be? Well, I mean, I know you talk about artists period. So I'll just feel comfortable saying it. I lost my period for like, over a year. So that was like one sign that, you know, obviously, my body wasn't getting enough nutrients or everything it needed to have balanced hormones.

Scott Benner 11:20
Okay. And did it actually come back at some point?

Kim 11:25
It came back in December. So in September when I was like, Okay, I'm married. Now, I can't live this lifestyle. If I want to have kids, I'm gonna have to have a period and I kind of knew all along that, you know, to get a period back, I'd have to stop my intense exercise, I would have to eat carbs. So then that's where it kind of all unraveled where I was like, Okay, I need help, I need to go on insulin. I need to be able to eat normally I need to like not have to work out because there was i i love exercise. But there were plenty days in those years that I worked out to lower my blood sugar because I knew I was going to have more carbs than, you know, unlimited amount and or I knew like the night before I eat too much. So I would just like not eat breakfast do like an intense workout. And that's how I kind of managed and obviously my body didn't really respond well to that

Scott Benner 12:23
are two questions based on what you just said? How severe was your diet restriction?

Kim 12:29
Um I don't know. It's hard to like, quantify like, I like I still look back and feel like I was pretty healthy. I was not starving myself by any means. But I ate so much like salads and protein. Like I had so much protein a lot of like, low carb yogurts, a lot of vegetables. Fruit was like, yeah, if I could have some fruit, but I didn't have any, like substantial carbs for those four years. Like,

Scott Benner 13:04
did you find it restrictive? Or were you okay with it?

Kim 13:08
Um, honestly, I feel like 80 90% of the time I truly was okay, but I think I convinced myself like, Oh, this is healthy. Like, I'm eating like salads. I'm eating like I found so many, like low carb options like egg white wraps. And I mean, it's actually still stuff that I really like. It wasn't like, I was like, oh, like forced feeding myself like this food. I enjoyed what I was eating. And I was like, eating a lot, but I just none of it was carbs. And then I also kind of went a little bit like low fat too. Okay. Well,

Scott Benner 13:44
I'm not insinuating that you somebody can't eat low carb. I'm just trying to understand from your perspective, if this was something you were doing, because you were like, I enjoy this, or if you were doing it, because you were like, I have to do this or I'm going to get diabetes worse. And in that kind of pressure that might come along with that. Did you get super skinny? Were you ripped? How did it affect your body? Oh,

Kim 14:04
yeah, I was ripped. Like people were like, Oh my gosh, I never looked like super skinny. Like, I wasn't like anorexic looking. I might be um, I was actually normal, but it was mostly muscle. Like I started work like doing weight training and stuff too. But like, on my wedding day, like my arms were just like, super toned. Like that's what everyone said like, oh my gosh, what happened? What do you do? Like, you know, I just like, Yeah, I was pretty in shape.

Scott Benner 14:33
I'm just here to embarrass this guy next to me. Look at these guns. Yeah, exactly.

Kim 14:36
He actually though was like, you're getting to tone like and like when I started gaining weight back he's like, Yeah, I like that.

Scott Benner 14:45
Oh, look at somebody now somebody has an opinion not about me getting married that he was okay. drifting through I.

Kim 14:53
But yeah, but then I kind of went in the opposite extreme a little bit because I think once I started eating carbs and fat, my body was like, Ooh, what's the So I'm gonna hold on to it.

Scott Benner 15:01
Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay, well, so you found a balance your period came back, did management get more difficult at that point?

Kim 15:10
So it just like completely changed. Like, I felt like I described it as kind of being read diagnosed. Because like, now I had to learn like this whole new thing of, you know, insulin and mealtime, insulin spikes and highs and lows. Like I really didn't have many lows. Like, it wasn't like a concern. I mean, like, I didn't bring like low, like, treats with me everywhere I went, like, I was never really that worried about it. And then like highs, I kind of knew, like, it was based off of something I did, like, oh, you know, I ate a carb heavier meal that night. So now it was, you know, this time where it was like, Okay, I really have to find out this whole new management.

Scott Benner 16:02
Yeah, sure. No, it starts over again. I mean, you're not being helped by a slow onset, you're not being you're not being you're not being helped by ultra low carb, or all the benefit you get from the crazy working out. So did your workouts go back? I mean, they must have already if you softened your body up a little bit. I mean, that like, you know, I probably mean that in a way you're not supposed to say in 2022. But like, you kind of feminized your body a little more, right, like classically,

Kim 16:28
yeah, so I actually just like completely stopped working out for a month. Because I was so fed up with, like, not getting my period back. Because I was like, a couple months in to trying, you know, eating the carbs and fat and then still not getting it back. And then it's funny, because it's kind of like you in the sense of like, diabetes management, I found, like, online, I also found like, it's called like, period recovery. Like, I found that online too. And that's how I ended up getting my period back as compared to like, I went to a gynecologist, I went to my endocrinologist, I said, Hey, I'm not getting my period, like, this is abnormal. They decided to like, just put me on the pill. I mean, they did a lot of tests, and all of them were like, essentially normal. So they were really no help. They're like, just keep monitoring like care, go on the pill. And I just knew that wasn't right. So I kind of found my own way to recover.

Scott Benner 17:25
Okay. With when your period finally came back real like, oh, oh, this I remember this. What this part?

Kim 17:36
So happy about it for a while? Yeah, because I was just like, I felt accomplished that I like got it back.

Scott Benner 17:43
Good for you. Did you tell friends be honest, did you text one person you're like, Oh, my God, my period. Today is so exciting. Oh, yeah.

Kim 17:49
Several people. Three, my mom, my sister and then actually my sister in law, so they all kind of knew what I was going through. So I was really happy

Scott Benner 18:00
when I got it difficult to write. It wasn't easy. I'm not I don't make any like, but it's a it's a serious situation.

Kim 18:06
Exactly. And I just knew, like, obviously, having kids on my future is like, something I really really want. So it was kinda like, feeling like, that wasn't going to happen if I didn't figure this out.

Scott Benner 18:21
Kim, are there other autoimmune issues in your family line?

Kim 18:27
I'm not really at all. My dad's cousin does have type one so I guess Yeah, but you know, when someone's like, distant from you, you just feel like

Scott Benner 18:38
like it doesn't count. It counts. Yeah, exactly. Because this podcast accounts do you have any other stuff? Celiac or hypothyroidism? Hashimotos stuff like that?

Kim 18:50
No, and I've been tested for a lot of it

Scott Benner 18:53
too. You have other issues that you were that you would you were trying to get tested to find out what was going on

Kim 18:59
related to my eating habits but like no doctor really realized that but like, I would have like bloating but that was usually because of like constipation and because I wasn't getting like enough nutrients and then like my thyroid like they just tested a lot of things with like my period missing.

Scott Benner 19:20
Gotcha so so are you are you here to tell us that you poop more regularly now?

Kim 19:26
I do which is also another exciting thing actually. Your normal actually

Scott Benner 19:32
you know what plus not for nothing everybody can use a break once a day or more depends on your situation I guess where you just go in a room and close the door and you're by yourself for a second sometimes you're like oh, I have to go to the bathroom but this is great because I can get away from all these people. Oh, okay, well alright. What do you how do you manage now like before it was just this Lantis the Metformin the exercise, the you know, etc. But what do are you doing in the in, in present day?

Kim 20:05
So I'm on an omni pod. And I actually just started looping. And I listened to all of your tips. So I feel your management style is mine. And I work with Jenny. So I kind of just like went all in. But that's kind of my personality. I just when I like have something that I want to accomplish, I just go all in.

Scott Benner 20:27
Oh, well, I mean, I think that's obvious from the exercise thing. Because if you told me, I know myself, Kim, if you said to me, if you work out like a fiend, and eat nothing but salad and chicken, we can slow down this diabetes thing by three years, I'd be like, I don't know. I'm not sure I can do all that. And part of it is my age to like, I don't know if my body would keep up with rigorous exercise, to be perfectly honest with you. I tried to start riding a bike six months ago and ended up having knee surgery. So I'm just allowed to start riding my bike again, I bought this bike, it's lovely, right? And I put it, I put it behind me, it's literally right behind me, I had a space in the office, I'm like, I'm gonna put the bike there. Every once in a while I'm gonna get up from this desk. I'm gonna ride this bike. I do that. And then my knee starts to hurt. And then I had to have surgery. And now my knee doesn't hurt anymore. I think my I think they're going to clear me in a couple of days to go back to like, my regular activity, right? So if you were in a different situation, plus, you had a lot of pent up frustration from this boy who would not ask you to marry him for 15 years, I'm guessing.

Kim 21:32
Exactly. focus my attention somewhere else.

Scott Benner 21:35
Anything happen? Did your relationship shift after you got engaged? Was there like any I don't want to say this like this? Because I did either of you have that feeling like Oh god, it's over. Now I can relax.

Kim 21:52
Um, no, not that I and that's not standing out to me. So I feel like no, no. Okay. Well, we just went right into wedding planning but then COVID hit and then we postpone Yeah, no, nothing really changed.

Scott Benner 22:06
Gotcha. And you did you eventually have an in person wedding where people got to come.

Kim 22:10
We did we did it last July, which was kind of like a sweet spot of like, no more mess mandate and no more restrictions before what was that the Omnicon or whatever came back? So we can't we didn't have to make any address.

Scott Benner 22:26
Any chance you did it on my birthday? The 12 July 3. Alright, it's fine. Oh, July 4 weekend. Turn it no whole thing.

Kim 22:36
Exactly.

Scott Benner 22:37
Let's see what you did there. Okay. All right. So is the conversation going? Anything like you expected so far?

Kim 22:46
Yeah, I feel like I've talked about a lot of the stuff I thought I would

Scott Benner 22:51
good. Are you happy so far?

Kim 22:53
Yeah. Has your nervousness way more relaxed,

Scott Benner 22:57
because you're nervous this subsided.

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it has for sure be honest with the people listening. I'm famous to you. Is that correct? You are and now I'll be honest with the people listening, Kim that's ridiculous. You should not feel

Kim 25:52
serious like I'm probably like a super fan. I probably I listened to all 700 episodes in like four months. I used to listen to it like two times speed so I could like get through them all. And now I like still go back and listen. And I listed in different podcasts apps just so that I can get you more listeners.

Scott Benner 26:15
Now we're getting to something this is how everyone should be. Alright. Did you have to quit your job to do this? Or were you able to do it with your job?

Kim 26:22
No, it's literally like all I did on my free time as I grocery shop worked out. Anything dishes, anything I just was constantly listening to you. But it kinda like consumed me because I think like this person is I don't even remember that much. I didn't listen to much Christmas music at all and I love Christmas. But I always had the podcasts on instead.

Scott Benner 26:45
I'm the reason you didn't hear Perry Como this year.

Kim 26:48
Exactly. Maybe Christmas day I heard it but that's about it. I killed

Scott Benner 26:51
Perry Como. Oh, Kim. That could be your episode title. Wait, what did you say I killed Perry Como could be your episode title. I don't know what that means. Sure you do. Perry Como he sings all of your favorite Christmas songs that you don't realize because he's he's 100,000 That He's probably dead. Hold on a second. You really don't know who this is.

Kim 27:14
I know. I'm really bad with this but

Scott Benner 27:18
don't don't wear a white Christmas. Do you love a white Christmas song and old standard? Oh, yes. guarantee it's gonna be pretty cool. Now. Hold on second. Definitely, definitely him. He's probably saying song. Oh, song. He probably song. Most of your like favorite like Christmas standards. Okay, all right. In less Are you more of like a car person? Do you like that? See a Christmas album is incredibly good.

Kim 27:51
I'm working Mariah Carey and Celine Dion Christmas.

Scott Benner 27:54
Okay, have you ever tried to see a Christmas?

Kim 27:58
No, I don't think so. Please,

Scott Benner 28:00
in honor of me try it next year. Okay,

Kim 28:03
I will. Well, that means I won't be listening to your podcast. Well, you're

Scott Benner 28:07
pretty caught up. You should have a tiny bit of free time. I actually would like to talk about that for a minute. If you don't mind. I just saw another person online, get on the Facebook page and celebrate that they were caught up. This person was like I just listened to Episode 698 I am caught up and I thought wow, my first thought was I'm very touched. My second thought was I wonder how helpful it was to them. And my my, my next thought was, I hope the advertisers notice this happening. They buy more advertisements, and we keep making the podcast but how valuable was it? Let's let's lit it up a little bit. I'm assuming you found it supportive in a community such like sense?

Kim 28:54
Um, yeah, for sure. Because I don't really know any other type ones or like talk to type one. So definitely listening to other people's stories helps a lot but I for sure started with what oh my gosh, like the defining diabetes and the protests. Okay, so I kind of I listened in a very weird way I feel like I started with those and then like sometimes they would lead into like another episode that was just like the interview. And then like, I don't know, I jumped over around like a bunch and then once I was like, narrowing down to only like some that listen, I started like from the beginning.

Scott Benner 29:34
Did you have an experience ever? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well,

Kim 29:38
I was gonna say it was like interesting that like I did not start it like episode one. So like going back and like listening to those are kind of like, interesting like to hear how it's like evolved from the beginning.

Scott Benner 29:51
Yeah, for sure. Did you ever find it a situation where you looked at an episode and you thought I don't think I care about this but you listen to anyway.

Kim 30:00
I think there was like a couple that I was like, not super like interested in, but I listened to them 100% Still worth your time? Oh, yeah, they for sure still worth my time because you just get a different perspective. And then you usually wouldn't throw in a little bit of management each one. So

Scott Benner 30:19
I do do that, don't I? Yeah, that's, I'm very happy to hear that. Also, I think the way you listened is not uncommon. I think many people come through, did you come to the Facebook page?

Kim 30:31
No, I really don't know exactly how I found you.

Scott Benner 30:36
Well, so but some people do that they hear about this thing that has these protests. And then you kind of, you know, do the defining stuff. Because I mean, you get your term straight. And then you go to the Pro Tip series, because you're looking for management. And then hopefully, it leads you to more stuff and you find stories that help and then there's management. I don't know how even how to say it, like people tell their stories, or I recant something that happened to us. And you can kind of pick it up through conversation I find easier than it being like just jam down your throat it to me, I love the Pro Tip series. I love that the I love all the series, actually. But I think if the podcast was just those, I don't think it would be as valuable.

Kim 31:21
I agree. I think listening to like, the interviews and stuff like really makes it very interesting. Like I've tried other podcasts and like, it's just a way to like interview style, like, Oh, thank you for saying that. And like stuff like that. And I'm like, Oh, I can't listen to this. I'm totally bored.

Scott Benner 31:39
Kim, I don't want to I don't want to slow you down here. But do you need to badmouth any other diabetes podcast? It's okay. My name can just be vague. They're terrible. Mines grades, something like that. Whatever you think don't let me put words.

Kim 31:53
Yeah, exactly. I mean, I can't even get through some of the episodes. I just have to turn them off.

Scott Benner 31:59
What a review. Okay, great. So I am thinking, one time somebody sent me a review that they saw for another podcast. And the review is hilarious. And it still pops into my head. Sometimes it's I don't I don't openly root for people's failure. I don't feel that way. I genuinely don't. I just want to beat them on my own terms, but I'm not looking for people to fail. I just want to win. I hope you understand the difference. So yeah, so

Kim 32:34
you're definitely winning. I think,

Scott Benner 32:36
you know, Kim, let's not brag. But yeah, okay. And so. So this review is just it's so funny. I, I'll share it with you when we're done recording, because it's like, I'll see if I can dig it up afterwards. Maybe I wrote it. But that'd be something you'd be like, Oh, my God. I'm just kidding. I usually don't write reviews. But this was a couple years ago. I honestly don't think that you would have had diabetes when this happened. That's how long it's stuck in my head for. Anyway, appreciate you saying nice things. And I'm glad I'm just I mean, being serious. I'm glad that the podcast worked for you that listen, there are plenty of people who could follow the path you followed and won't jive with me and and they might not, you know, they might not have the same experience. I'm completely aware of that. But I'm glad that you had that experience. So what did it lead you to do? Like how did because you're, you're a nurse you said?

Kim 33:28
Yeah.

Scott Benner 33:30
What kind of a nurse?

Kim 33:32
I work in the cath lab. So were they do like angiograms of like the heart and legs? Any arteries?

Scott Benner 33:39
Okay, super exciting, Kim. And yeah,

Kim 33:42
so if someone has a heart attack and their

Scott Benner 33:44
does it does it is are you in pressure situations like that?

Kim 33:48
Oh, yeah. Because we'd have to take like call and stuff so sometimes like I can get called in at like till in the morning and someone's like having a massive heart attack and they have to like, go and work and

Scott Benner 33:59
do you don't wire through a thing while somebody's yelling. Billy's Grandpop is dying Kim, do it like something like I'm sure they it's not like on television, but you have to actually feed a wire through something is that correct?

Kim 34:11
I mean, I don't do that part the doctor does but I'm I'm the nurse like in the room giving like the medicines and like, if something goes bad like doing CPR and like stuff like that,

Scott Benner 34:22
how often not you I'm saying but how often do you see somebody push in bed and they go Oh, whoops. Does that ever happen? Like wrong one?

Kim 34:31
Thankfully, no, never. I mean, I think I've heard of stories, but I've never experienced it.

Scott Benner 34:38
How did those situations impact your blood sugar? Does it go up?

Kim 34:44
Um, no, I haven't really seen anything like that maybe like a little bit maybe like 20 points but nothing like us arrow up like type situation. So were you not focus on like, really pay attention to my blood sugar and those mo means other than, like, I tried to make sure I'm going into it not like low or going low.

Scott Benner 35:04
Yeah, sure. No, that makes sense. But so are you kind of, by nature a level headed person? Or does the job just make you be that way.

Kim 35:13
Um, I think it's a little bit of a mix. But nurses definitely like, after you've been through something is the amount of times maybe like the first couple of times you're nervous, but after that, kind of just, it doesn't seem as like scary or intense when you've done it a couple times.

Scott Benner 35:32
So you don't have a bunch of adrenaline going while you're doing it. Know, for the most right now, that's kind of comforting to hear if I'm being perfectly honest, as the person who expects to have a heart attack one day.

Kim 35:44
But it has a lot to do too, with like the doctor in the rooms. Because if, I mean, the best scenarios I've seen is when like, the doctor is really calm and just able to like, give orders and everyone else kind of just stays calm to it's like we all know we have to do and you could only like do so much. So it's like you just have to do it without like panicking and like, running around. So if the doctor stays calm, then everything usually goes pretty smoothly.

Scott Benner 36:09
As the doctor goes, the situation goes. Exactly. It's interesting. And are some doctors panics like newer doctors, or? I guess probably yeah,

Kim 36:18
I've definitely seen that too. Yeah, not all doctors are equal.

Scott Benner 36:24
Definitely not. I. Yeah, let's not get into that. But yeah, that's definitely true. I mean, not everybody is equal, right? Yeah, exactly. So you find the podcast at what point in your management? So where are you? When you start listening? Are you still working out hard eating low carbs? Have you made the switch? Where do you find yourself?

Kim 36:45
I found you like, I think at the end of October, so I started like, insulin in like the middle of September because I kept telling my, my endocrinologist that it would be like really high in the morning, which is like new for me. And then she put me on a libre, which I was very reluctant to go on. Because at this time, I just like, didn't really like, want to accept, you know, maybe all this. So wearing something was not like exciting for me. But I was like, Okay, I just got to do this just to see like, what's happening overnight, or why I'm high in the morning. Then she put me on like a really low dose sliding scale. Like, if a greater than 150 Give a unit. And then if it's like 225 Like, I don't know, just really. So then I kind of like before I even found you was a little bit bold with insulin where like, I just I knew better that I needed more. I mean safely, but I just kind of was like okay, well now I have insulin, I'm just gonna start using it. But yeah, I think I was animali break for like, a couple of weeks. And I was just, it was the whole roller coaster thing. And I'm like, I was just frustrated. I'm like, I don't know what I'm, what I'm doing. And then I found you and things really started to smooth out.

Scott Benner 38:09
Cool. Can I ask a little bit about the not wanting to wear the libre or a device in general? Does it stop you from being able to kind of consciously or subconsciously pretend that you don't have diabetes?

Kim 38:22
Um, yeah, it definitely was a, that was a big part of it. I still like don't wear I'm not one of those people with them like, and they're mostly like, on my stomach or my low back. I'm still not like, loud and proud that I'm type one. But like a lot of people in my life don't even know. But I love my devices so much that I'm getting to the point where I'm about to like, show them off. Or like when I talk to someone about it. Like I'm super excited to show them and be like, Oh, this is what I wear now. And this is what I do. But it's just not like an open thing. It's got to be like the right person and timing, I guess. Yeah.

Scott Benner 39:05
Well, that's exciting. I'm happy for you. Like, yeah, that really is great. So you're getting more comfortable. Going to show more people use the word proud. That was great. So I mean, I That sounds like a, like an obvious trajectory to me. I get it. I mean, like, I mean, there's little kids are more like I got a thing. Look at it. It's stuck to my arm. You don't I mean, but adults. I mean, gosh, you were 27

Kim 39:31
Exactly. I felt like it was like it's a whole new life. You know, I knew life a whole different way. So

Scott Benner 39:37
you're incredibly you're incredibly patient, which we know for sure. Because you waited for, you know, so long to get engaged. So you you're like I can wait this out no problem. Did Did your diagnosis impact your relationship at all? Or did you find yourself concerned that it would,

Kim 40:01
um, I definitely found myself concerned that it would, I think it like, kind of impacted. Like, all my relationships I that, like upset me for a while because I just felt like, I like had this one at like flip my wife was like completely different. And then it's like, everyone else took a while to like, catch up with me or like I just kind of felt like a different person. So like, I felt like, it just changed my relationships. My husband, I, he's, like, always been like, the best person as far as like, understanding that he's pretty smart when it comes to like, medical things like he gets diabetes, like he understands, like, the amount of effort from my management. But he's also been the person that struggled most with, like, it really don't know what the word I'm looking for. But he's like, it upsets him. That's it. Like, he's really upset him like the diagnosis like, he just doesn't want this for me. He knows he's like, see me struggle like a lot with it. And I'm like a little bit of a perfectionist. So like, I need it to be perfect. So like when I'm not I am like, upset and down and like, it's hard for him to like, see me have to deal with all this. And he knows how much effort I'm putting into all this. And it just really like. He just, it makes him sad.

Scott Benner 41:32
No, I understand how you feel, how he feels. When I'm when my wife and I were more newly married when we were younger. Like if she had a problem at work. I was like, Do you need me to go beat someone? Like what do you need? You know what I mean? Like, I see how hard you're working. And I love you know what I mean? Like it's the same feeling really, like I know, you don't want it to go this way. I wish I could do something like obviously I couldn't go to an I mean, I guess I could have but I wouldn't have you know, like gone to an office and like intimidated somebody. But I felt like that. And your husband probably feels similar. Except there's no one to intimidate, right? There's not even anybody to yell at. It's yeah, you know, yeah, there's

Kim 42:12
no like, nothing you can do he just wished to send it in.

Scott Benner 42:16
Yeah, it's an idea. You're, you're mad at really, I mean, it's a reality. But it's, you know, it's a it's a faceless entity that you're that you want to, you know, take by the shoulders and shake. Yeah. But, um, I get how he feels? Did you worry for him, or were you too busy in your own kind of, like, mixed up ness to be concerned about other people around, you?

Kim 42:39
Know, I worried for him a lot. And it was kinda like, I took it on myself to like, worry for him. And then I like, didn't include him in a lot of things or like thoughts or feelings that was happening because I was trying to, like, protect him from being like, even more sad. But I've like worked through a lot of that. I, once again, I jumped all in with like everything and I got a therapist to I'm like, I don't really need one. But you know, screw it, I'm just gonna, like, just get a therapist and, but it's actually like, been so great. She's helped me a lot, like just realize things about myself and why I feel certain ways and she's helped me a little bit with like, you know, opening up more with my husband and just not taking, like, not trying to protect him so much from feelings that I think he's gonna have. Yeah, and the more I have opened up, I do realize that he he can handle it. It's just me always trying to like, foresee, like, his emotions, and then like protecting him from them.

Scott Benner 43:44
Yeah, I understand that. So Well, I think that's a positive step, but very much so. It's It's crazy, right, trying to manage your thing. And another person's thing when I was talking about this, the podcast is so strange. I was talking because things come up and they seem to come up when I'm recording. Maybe I'm subconsciously directing conversations that way. Anyway, I was talking yesterday with with somebody about, you know, I kind of made concentric circles. And I laid them over top of each other like those intersecting, you know, those little diagrams, I don't know, what kind of diagrams and

Kim 44:23
diagrams you think why they call pen diagrams, I don't

Scott Benner 44:27
know, like two little circles, they overlap and you kind of see things intersect in each other's lives. Right. And we were talking about how, how you're having these experiences with another person, and you're doing your best from your perspective to read what they need or one, but they don't, you know, most of their circles not overlapping with your circles. So they're having an entirely different experience away from you. And they may have other circles overlapping in that place and they know people that you'll never intersect with They have relationships and experiences and struggles and successes that you never see even though you're very close to them. And then you're trying to just say manage, but you're trying to interact with them in a way that you think is most positive when honestly, you don't even know the people, you're around constantly as well as you believe you do. And so it's up to them to share that stuff, so that your relationship can become more complete. And that is what you're talking about. But nobody does that. Mainly because who would think to? You know what I mean?

Kim 45:39
Yeah, I agree completely. Yeah, I definitely like putting too much thought into what he thought about instead of just letting do what he thinks about and just, you know, saying what I need to or doing what I need to

Scott Benner 45:51
write, because you're never going to be completely aware of the other things that can intersect his life. You can't be and so you have to give it to him, and hope sorted out, and if it becomes a problem for him, then he has to deal with that in his time. But if you don't have those communicative moments, they'll become both of your problems in the future.

Kim 46:15
Exactly. Yeah.

Scott Benner 46:17
I was a lot of gobbly gook talk, but I think it made sense.

Kim 46:20
It made complete sense to me.

Scott Benner 46:22
Thank you, Kim. Thank you, Ken, I love you. I really appreciate back when you said you listened to all the episodes that I was done, I would send you a certificate of completion. If I had one.

Kim 46:33
I think I shouldn't get like biggest supporter certificate.

Scott Benner 46:36
Do you think I should have like a digital certificate made up that says I've listened to all the episodes of The Juicebox Podcast and send them to people? Yeah,

Kim 46:43
I wouldn't hang that up in my house.

Scott Benner 46:45
I believe you might. I appreciate that, too. Kim, thank you. Maybe I'll just turn it into a t shirt so I can profit from it. How would that be?

Kim 46:52
I would buy it.

Scott Benner 46:57
I just want people to I don't really make that much money off those shirts. Oh my god. That is.

Kim 47:01
That is one thing that I have not looked into yet. I've done everything else. I've gotten the Omnipod the Contour. Next One at Dexcom done the survey for slipping my mind what it's I've done everything.

Scott Benner 47:15
You do the T 1d Exchange survey. And you use Jenny to right. Oh, yeah, I got Jenny. I think it's obvious to people but it's the unspoken part of my relationship with Jenny like Jenny doesn't work for me. I don't pay Jenny to make these podcasts with me. But you know, it's not we're not unaware that she may attract customers. So you know, and she

Kim 47:37
was extremely hard to get into. I only got lucky because I use like the side of it that which I mean, it wasn't Elijah true. I want I went to her because I'm like, when I want to have kids, I want her to help me manage that. So they were able to get me in with her. But other than that, like it was like very hard. They're like to get in with her. Yeah, I sort

Scott Benner 48:01
of the podcast kind of ruin Jenny in a way like, sort of like dating like a superstar. And then you break up and then the next guy is just the guy you met at the gym and you're like, it's not gonna work out like I already might, you know, I think we elevated Jenny to a point where it's hard to get in with her now.

Kim 48:22
Yeah, she's awesome though. Like I'm so happy I invested in that because she's just she's been that like, final like step where like, you know, management's pretty good. But then there's like, just like certain like, final touches that like she helps me like adjust things and I kinda like see where the adjustment might need to be but I don't know exactly what to do when she's awesome.

Scott Benner 48:47
And I used the wrong word A moment ago I said elevate like we I just I was able to shine a light on her so more people could see her that's all she she's who she is well without me you know what I mean? But but you know, just not everybody can know in the podcast has a pretty throws a pretty wide net so people can the who may be never would have known about her can learn about her song.

Kim 49:09
Yeah, I would have never known so I appreciate you for that. What are my shots

Scott Benner 49:13
here like my chances? Give me a percentage of getting a baby named Scott out of this.

Kim 49:21
Feeling you'd ask that? I don't know. I'll have to convince. No. I'll say possibly,

Scott Benner 49:29
but a cat. Can I get a cat?

Kim 49:31
I'm not a cat person. But maybe a dog?

Scott Benner 49:33
Not either. I mean, I'll take a dog. That's fine. No, nevermind. Well, you get a license plate that says juice box on your car. Maybe I would, you know like eight people have done that. Really freaks me out. I love it. But it's like I have pictures here from all over the country of people who got juice box license plates. They just like the letters say juice box. Yeah, in some way. Yeah. And they sent you know, I mean, I say this here because I think the person who wrote the article listens to this. So it's, I'm not bothered by it. But there was an article written by a pretty big diabetes blog that said, Look, people are so like connected with, like diabetes that they're getting juicebox license plates and the it was for the podcast, it wasn't just about diabetes. And pardon me when I read it. I was like, huh, all right. It's okay. And I just didn't I mean, listen, I don't really care. But But those people got those, you know, they sent them to me personally. And then they put them up on social media, they they they got them for the podcasts, which I was really touched by

Kim 50:38
might be some people listening to this, that might be mad that I said, I'm your biggest supporter, I think

Scott Benner 50:43
you might have to, what if we have to have a UFC style Fight Club situation one day, where you guys all fight to see who is the biggest fan of the show. I'll bring bananas and juice boxes so that everybody can stay on their game and really get in there and fight my son by the way thinks it's he's freaked out that their license plates for the podcast. Okay, I see him Look at me, like, why do people care about you? Like, it's funny, while while you're you don't understand, because you don't have kids yet. But 20 years from now, you will completely understand this. But it's, uh, it's funny to watch him look at me and try to regulate in his mind that someone would care what I say. You know, a little disturbing. But anyway, it's all part of having kids. Alright, so you're really not that far into diabetes? You said in in October, you found the podcast, maybe?

Kim 51:38
Yeah, what ended?

Scott Benner 51:41
What made you reach out so quickly to be on the podcast that?

Kim 51:45
Well, that's the funny thing is that I literally just listened to mostly like the pro tip episodes. And I was just like, so inclined to thank you. Because this was like, my first like, sense of relief. Like, I'd been messaging my doctor, I've been getting no like guidance of like, how can I make this better? I knew like, it couldn't be better. And I just couldn't figure it out. And then your episode just helped me like so much that I was like, I don't do this. But I have to reach out and tell him thank you. And I told you a little bit about my story. And then you responded like to come on the show. And I was so like, what I was like, Is this real? And I didn't even like, but then as I started listening to the rest of the episodes, I was like, oh, people do this. People think all the time. Like, I had no clue. I was just like, I was not trying to get on the podcast or anything. I was like, even kinda like, why would I be on the podcast? But then I was like, oh, it's like so many months away. And maybe I'll just sign up and see where I am when that time comes around. And then here I am.

Scott Benner 52:49
And you actually showed up that I say this all the time, the when people are there, like I never miss a recording. And I would say that with the exception of one or maybe two a year. No one misses their recordings. And yet they're six months out. So it takes from the time you say to yourself, I'm going to try to be on this podcast to when it goes live is a year.

Kim 53:13
And yeah, it was November right now it's June,

Scott Benner 53:16
June, it takes six months to actually get to your recording date, and then six more months actually get live. And that's part of the process, really, because if you're actually here on the day, when I open the microphone up, you really want to do this. And yeah, that's why you don't get a whole lot of episodes where you're just like, this is like sucks. You know what I mean? Like, it's people who really have something to say they've put effort into getting to it. And that's sort of part of my plan. But when you sent your original note, you just had so many interesting aspects that obviously you didn't know, were interesting, but I thought were the lot of diagnosis like the slow onset. Definitely people need to hear about that. You know, that you didn't know what you're doing. But you were a nurse, and that you had to go to a podcast when you're in a giant building full of doctors is interesting. Yeah,

Kim 54:08
the hospital setting like just has no idea about type. Right? It's very interesting. I mean, all I knew, too, was sliding scale. If blood sugar's are above 150. Then you give whatever the their sliding scale is. I do have to say, majority of the patients I dealt with, because I did do like the bedside nursing, it's called for four years. So I dealt with like a lot of type twos and like the amount of people's blood sugars, I would check, they'd be like 200 And like the people wouldn't even like flinch, and then they would just eat their lunch before I even came in with insulin and like, that's kind of like all I knew about diabetes, like management and stuff.

Scott Benner 54:53
Yeah, hospital management is not about being healthy. It's about staying reasonably lower. If You can, it's it's interesting how in the one place, you know, it's a conundrum in your head when you look at it, right? Because in the one place in the world, you imagine somebody would just be like, like a ninja with insulin and just know exactly what to do is is kind of the last place. And that's why that's why it's definitely

Kim 55:17
scared of insulin like the hospital like no one's trying to like bring blood sugar's down, like, too far too fast, too low, like see, like a 75. And they're like, scared. They give like a whole amp of like, dextrose. I was like, no, no, no, don't do that.

Scott Benner 55:35
Yeah, yeah, we were talking the other day, Jenny and I are making a new series that by the time your thing comes out, will probably be completed. But we're calling it bold beginnings. It's sort of like an overview for like, really newly diagnosed people. And we think we're going over this one example where somebody with their two year old had experienced this, like, drift down to stability overnight, and they were feeding the kid because they were like, Oh, my God. And I said, it's funny. If this happened to Jenny, she'd call me the next day and be like, Look how good I am at this and send me a graph. You know, but to a person who doesn't know what they're doing? It looks scary.

Kim 56:17
Yeah, it's interesting. And I mean, I definitely when I like started my own management, I felt that way too. But like, from like, doctors and stuff, you're kind of like, not given that guidance that that's okay. And normal. So it was like such a relief to like, come across you and just be like, reaffirm that, like, the way I wanted to manage was the right way. Or, like, you know, doable way.

Scott Benner 56:43
Yeah. Was there ever any thought that you might invite me to the wedding?

Kim 56:49
I see. I didn't know about you till after the wedding.

Scott Benner 56:52
You want to do it again? Just invite me then, oh, maybe I can't come, by the way. But I appreciate the invitation. I'm very busy. Actually, I am too busy. I'm too busy to leave this room. Which is becoming a problem actually. Just because I keep looking up and thinking. I keep thinking like, Oh, I'll get the podcast to this level. And then I'll be able to hire somebody to help with something right. And then it doesn't quite go that way. And people send me notes. I'll you know, the most common note I get after thank you is please don't stop making the podcast.

Kim 57:25
Oh, yes. I'll send you that one next. Right.

Scott Benner 57:29
And so I'm like, Oh, I won't, don't worry. But you have to support the podcast with ads. And so you have to make up and you have to make content like content is. I'm just gonna say king, but that sounds like an 80s movie like Dracula brothers maybe. And with the Coen brothers have been the 80s, they would have been the 90s. You know, you don't know who party como is like, you don't know, this doesn't matter. But but you know, it's a, it's a balancing act, right? Like you want the podcast episodes to be interesting and valuable. And they have to come out frequently enough that they can support the ads, so that the ads can support the production of the podcast. Because that's how you scale like the other like, here's, here's, here's something I'm not afraid to say out loud, that, you know, the other podcast might hear. You don't put up enough content. And they go once a week, if you're lucky, some go, you know, twice a month, once a month, some some put out six or seven episodes, call it a season and then take off for six months. Those are nice, like, that's fine. It's a way of doing it. But it's not a way to grow. And then there's this other thing that some podcasts do, where they'll put out an episode a week. And then a secondary episode, that's like four or five, six minutes long. Because they're trying to bump up their download numbers so that they can sell ads, right? Because think about it. If you have 1000 subscribers and you put out an episode, and every one of them listens, you get 1000 downloads. But if you just throw out this little like, throw away five minute episode, and those 1000 people are subscribed, well now suddenly, your 1000 people have created 2000 downloads a month, you've doubled your downloads. But what if you're really what have you really given them? You know what I mean?

Kim 59:16
Yeah, you never do short episodes.

Scott Benner 59:18
I don't cheat you. So I give you like good, meaty stuff. And I do it like it's a real radio show. You don't I mean, like, yeah, like a radio disc jockey doesn't come out on Monday and give you talk to you for three hours and then go, I'll see you next Monday. Like what the hell am I gonna do on Tuesday and Wednesday, and, and you know, and it's cool if you listen to Monday show, but not Tuesday show. I don't I mean, yes, it breaks. Kim, you're an exception and exceptional. But my point is, is that I don't expect for everyone to listen to everyone. I hope they do. And I actually think it would be valuable for them, but I don't expect it. I put stuff out there so that every week people have a choice, and they can say hey, you know what I don't want to listen to the guy who's a parent of a kid and also an orthopedic surgeon. But I do want to listen to this lady Monica, who's had diabetes since she was three, and she's 61 years old. Now. I'll listen to that one today. And then I like to do one episode with Jenny a week. And even that, is not it's not like, I don't record with Jenny and then give you the episode. They're recorded, like, well, in advance, they're thoughtful and considered, and we have conversations about them. And I don't know, I've heard other people's podcasts. And it seems like they turn the microphone on and just say whatever they're thinking, and I'm like, that's, you know, I don't plan in the in the traditional way, but I plan in other ways. I'm not just talking to talk. And anyway, I hope that comes through. Point is, I need people to listen, so that I can make more content that will help more people, so that the word spreads so that you because the idea of scope is to reach more people and help more people like you. Because I've lost count, I've lost count of the people who have told me privately or on this podcast, some of the things that you said today, and that's heartwarming to know that, you know, people are in a good place and not where they I mean, where would you be, if you didn't find helpful information?

Kim 1:01:17
I have no idea. I'd probably just be on roller coasters. Very frustrated every day. But now I can have my close to everybody calm rolling hills and flatlines. And I mean, most days, not all the time. There's still ups and downs sometimes, but for the most part, it's just like a peace of mind to be able to like eat what I want to eat and be able to just manage it.

Scott Benner 1:01:42
Do you find that? Like, psychologically, are you in a calmer place, not just your blood sugar line calmer?

Kim 1:01:49
Yeah, I think the two correlate a lot when when, you know, when you're up and down, you physically don't feel well. But mentally, it's just like, exhausting.

Scott Benner 1:02:00
Yeah, I understand how I see it here. And I hear other people's stories. So I'm happy. I'm happy for you. I really am. It's funny, because Recently someone asked me to, like do a talk, I could do it in my sleep. It's like 45 minutes long, I could give it to you right now, if you said do the talk, I'd be like, boom, I can pop it into. And it's not like I somebody asked me to give it to an organization privately. And I did. And days later, I sent it out. I said, Hey, what did you think? And it was given to somebody in the organization and some younger people who had diabetes. And the older person said, Well, you know, you didn't really say much that I didn't know. And I said, No, I recognize that you are your sleep steeped in this, you You understand all this, but these are the things that that people don't hear from doctors or or share with each other, even when they sometimes figure out how it works. And it's still great information. It really is. It's not this, you know, it's not, it's not where, I don't know, you know what I mean? It's not where we're at treasures buried or anything like that. But, but it's stuff that people need to know. And nobody tells them and when they do tell them, they often do it in a way that is so freakin boring that nobody can listen. And you know, so I think that's what this did. But it was interesting. I'm sorry to hear

Kim 1:03:21
it all throughout your podcast, so it's like it just really like sits with you. And it just, I don't know, it's easier to just incorporate it when you hear someone else like kinda just saying it as part of their daily life.

Scott Benner 1:03:34
Yeah, I did say to the person those like the talk is not meant to fix you. It's meant to make you interested enough to check out the podcast. I can't in an hour explain diabetes to you. I've done it before. I've said it to people who had type one for so long that you know, the talk kind of like connects a bunch of circuits for them and though all the lights come on, I have seen that happen. But for the most part, most it's just going to make most people think hmm, so that's possible. I should check into that. You know, so anyway, I feel like it. I don't know, this is the best format I can figure to do it. I agree. Like you. What have we not talked about Kim that we should have

Kim 1:04:20
I feel like we talked about mostly everything. I did have like no bad experience, but like changing my endocrinologist I guess just like talking about endocrinologist and like how sometimes they just don't really know how to manage and you have to like just find the right one. I had an endocrinologist like the one that I was with for the three years it's just like frustrating looking back that like she didn't see that okay, she lost her period like she never looked into like I went to her for that and she checked my like, you know all these tests, but like never looked into To Hey, like, what are you eating? How are you staying in a five a one C with, with no short acting insulin like she never did any of that she even like she was always trying to like cut things back cut my Lantis back she never like she put me on the libre without like, talking to me about like the Dexcom. And I didn't really know enough yet. And then it was actually funny too. When I went on the Omnipod I like just went through Island New pods. So they like, I guess they contacted her or whatever and got a prescription. I had the Omni pod at my house, went through training through Integrated diabetes had the pump on for like three days and I get a message from her saying, Hey, I got a script that you want to start Agni pad. I don't know if that's the right pump for you. We it was like a very like condescending, like, email about like, this isn't right for me. And I just I was so upset because I was like, already nervous about like, you know, being a pump and trying to figure this all out on my own. And then she doesn't even know that I'm on it already. Like, I don't know. But yeah, it just kind of frustrating. That was like a frustrating part of my management was to not have like the support from a doctor

Scott Benner 1:06:19
Jenny said this to me recently. She said, you know, just because someone's an endocrinologist doesn't mean that they manage diabetes all the time. Yeah. And I was like, oh, geez, I never think of that. She's like, you know, endos do a lot of different things. You got to find a practice who does diabetes, that's the first thing. And then the system, which is listen, every system is really just people, right? And things get set up in a certain way. Nobody can. Nobody can imagine everything the system needs, right. So a system gets set up and then you build onto it slowly, you add a piece, you add a piece and before you know, years later, it's bastardized, it just you're involved in this system that doesn't work. Everyone who uses it knows it doesn't work, but there's no way to fix it either have to blow it up and start over. or live with it. And what you just described as people living in a in a, in a system that's been added on to too many times, like how could you have the pump on and your doctor be like Hey, I hear you want to get a pump?

Kim 1:07:22
Yeah, I was I was seriously shocked by that message. I just was like, another funny thing about her was the first like I it was like a Zoom meeting with her and she was like looking at the my libre. And she wasn't like happy with the amount of lows I was having. Even though I wasn't having a lot the libre just like bounced around a lot. And it counted like a 67 is low. So I think my percent was like 6% low or something like that. But I was never having like severe lows. I was just you know what dip into the 60s sometimes before dinner. But anyways, she pretty much like you know, like, did the whole like thread about insulin and how it could kill you and she's not gonna be able to prescribe me medicine if like, I have too many lows. And then it was just it was ridiculous, but and then I just was like laughing to myself when I got off the phone with her because I was like, this woman's so worried about my lows, and she's never prescribed me glucagon

Scott Benner 1:08:33
these lows are gonna kill you, honey. What are we gonna do about it? What are we gonna do about it? You can't

Kim 1:08:41
it's just so upsetting because I'm like, the type of person that like, I want to, like, you know, do the best I want like A's I want like to make the teacher happy. So like, even though like I can rationalize that I knew my management was fine. I knew I was not in any danger. Like, I had the mind the CGM. And so like, I wasn't worried, but it's still like a bad feeling to like, hear that from a doctor and I feel like I felt I had being an adult. I'm like, whatever it is what it is, but like it made me feel bad for like these parents and like, if they have that when they have like a kid. I feel like that's just so like, more traumatizing and it's like, it's scary. I feel bad.

Scott Benner 1:09:21
Yeah, no, I mean, it's nice of you to be concerned for other people. And trust me that's like a common feeling around diabetes when people figure things out the next thought, a lot of peace and people have as well what about everybody else? But I mean, how fascinating is that? That her answer for stopping your lows was not giving you insulin? Yeah, you know, if you don't stop having these 67 blood sugars, I'm going to murder you. Oh, thanks. A lot. What a clear thinker Kim.

Kim 1:09:50
Yeah, so I found a new entrepreneur. Yeah. How

Scott Benner 1:09:53
long did it take you to actually leave?

Kim 1:09:56
I'm pretty much left quick because I mean, I stayed with her throughout this whole like honeymoon phase. And then she prescribed insulin in September. And I got to I saw her like one more time after that tried to message her a couple times in between about like still having highs in the morning. She was like, no help at all. Until then I met with her and like January, and that's when she gave me the low conversation. And then by April, I had a new endocrinologist. And she was she was awesome. I mean, I've only met her once so far. But she was happy with my management. I was 5.3. And she didn't say anything about lows. I mean, she could see my Dexcom and she was like, You're doing great. And she gave me she gave me glucagon. She so yeah, she was good. I am a little bit nervous, though. Like, I still do get like nervous about like, I don't know, like so I started looping and I'm like, oh my god, I never talked to the endocrinologist about this. Like, what? What am I going to tell her? Like? It's I don't know. I don't know why I have those thoughts sometimes.

Scott Benner 1:10:59
What's the saying? It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. Isn't that right? Yeah. There you go. All done. Perfect. All right. Well, I'm so afraid that your your episode is gonna be called something about Perry Como but let's see what happens. Are you happy with how this one?

Kim 1:11:22
Yeah, I'm extremely happy. I feel like we, we talked about everything I want to talk about

Scott Benner 1:11:27
good. Sometimes I get letters from people afterwards. Like I really should have said this. And I'm like, Okay, we said a lot. You don't need to say everything. It's fine. Some people like I have to come back on. I'm like, No, you don't. You're good.

Kim 1:11:39
Now, think about it, though. Actually, that might be a good title, because this will probably come out around Christmas. Right?

Scott Benner 1:11:45
See, yeah, I killed Perry Como. It's perfect. Perfect. Kim, i i Thank you very much for coming on and doing this. I really appreciate you sharing your story. And I hope that you know, he didn't mind that we talked about your your wedding and stuff like that to help you get like I was using that to calm you down. You know that right?

Kim 1:12:05
Oh, yeah. No, I appreciate that. Uh, did call me down. I just wanted to thank you again, for all everything you do, because I really wouldn't be where I'm at. Without you and your podcast.

Scott Benner 1:12:16
That's very kind. I appreciate it very much. You're You're welcome. I think I'm supposed to say You're welcome. You're welcome. Yes, yeah. I I'm trying so I still struggle a little bit with it. Like, you know, you're like, Oh, that's nice. What you mean is Thank you. Thank you. Seems weird. So why don't I just go the other way with sarcasm Kim, you're I am terrific. I agree with you. How's that? I

Kim 1:12:40
like your sarcasm. I feel like the first couple of times I heard it. I was like, not really sure. But I still like the episodes. But like people who complain about you, I just don't think that they've listened to enough episodes. If they listen to you and understand your sarcasm, then everyone would just love it.

Scott Benner 1:12:57
Are you saying to my wife that if she just listened to me she'd be happier. It feels like Yeah, I hear you too. I'm gonna play this part for now, but listen, sarcasms that we went over it right? The podcast is enjoyable for I mean, listen to for a great many people. I can see the numbers. It's a lot of people. So it's, I know it works. And you talked about how getting fed information dry ways is it's hard to get through. And that when people are fake and phony that's hard to listen to. Like I know what you're talking about this big voices like Oh, thank you so much. And you are wonderful. Oh, no, you're wonderful. And before you know it, we've been talking about how wonderful we are for three minutes. Like are we gonna say anything substantial here ever, please? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm gonna stop the recording now. And then I'll find you that funny review about the other podcast. Okay, yes.

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