#362 A Real Soap Opera

Kate writes for General Hospital

Kate Hall has a daughter and husband living with type 1 diabetes. She is also a writer on my favorite soap opera, General Hospital.

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Scott Benner 0:05
Hello, everyone and welcome to Episode 362 of the Juicebox Podcast. Today I'll be speaking with Kate Hall. Some of you might be thinking Kate halls been on the show before, actually, that was a different Kate Hall. The first Kate Hall is an Olympic hopeful who has type one diabetes. This Kate Hall is a long time soap opera writer she's written on As the World Turns All My Children, the young and the restless. And currently and for quite some time now actually, on General Hospital. Now General Hospital. I used to sit with my mom every day after school and watch General Hospital with her. I mean, like, legit. I know about Luke and Laura been on the run the left handed boy, don't forget when the cassadines tried to freeze Port Charles. I saw it all as a child. So when Kate reached out, and we were talking, she mentioned she was a writer, but she never said of what. And then I got to know her a little better. And she told me, Kate was grateful for the help that the podcast provided for her daughter who has type one diabetes. And as a way to say thank you. She named a character on general hospital after my daughter. Now a couple of things here, I joke about it once in a while I'm trying to get one of you to name a baby after me. hasn't happened yet. But character on General Hospital. Pretty cool. I very much enjoyed it. And so did Arden. I'm gonna play a clip from General Hospital at the end of the show so that you can hear it. But for now, let's get into the story. So Kate's a D mom of a little girl with Type One Diabetes. She's actually also married to a man who has type one. Both stories are interesting. They're all in here. Plus, we're going to learn a little bit about writing for soap operas. Real quick couple things before we start. Of course, nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, please always consult a physician before making changes to your health care plan. Please, please please do that. And this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by Omni pod, and Dexcom find out more about the Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor@dexcom.com Ford slash juice box. And you can get a free no obligation demo of the Omni pod sent right to your door by going to my Omni pod.com forward slash juice box. If you need help remembering those links to Dexcom and on the pod or for any of the sponsors of the show. Look right there in the show notes of your podcast player or go to Juicebox podcast.com. Oh, I was singing along with the Skype ring and yoma almost was caught me. I'm so sorry. I have to get my energy up somehow for this. I record three of these this week.

Kate Hall 2:58
Oh my gosh.

Scott Benner 3:00
That's a lot. Okay, don't you worry. Listen, a couple of times while we're talking. Yes, my soap opera geek is going to come out once or twice. You have to jam it back in if it gets crazy.

Kate Hall 3:12
Okay, I'll do my best. I just

Scott Benner 3:14
go through my head right like I can't think of the first part of it. Right But it was love in the afternoon on Ryan's Oh, but there was a beginning part that I can't remember.

Kate Hall 3:23
Oh, see. I never watched Ryan. Oh, I didn't either.

Scott Benner 3:26
I'm just hoping this was like an ad that would run in between shows. Oh, okay. Got it. I don't know either. I just Okay, sure.

Kate Hall 3:34
You didn't watch right? Of course.

Scott Benner 3:40
Like a little fat kid after school watching soap operas with my mom.

Unknown Speaker 3:45
I love that. You guys.

Scott Benner 3:49
Oh my gosh. All right. We should start with with real talking because I just record the whole thing. This will you'll probably be mortified to find out that this is how your episode started. Excellent. Okay, so just go ahead and introduce yourself and and we'll start talking.

Kate Hall 4:03
Okay, I am Kate Hall and I have a 10 year old daughter Dylan with Type One Diabetes and my husband. Peter also has type one diabetes.

Scott Benner 4:14
Okay. You know, you're not the first Kate hall to be on the podcast, right? I do. Yes. I heard that episode. That was so funny. We have a lot of Mormons and, and a lot of case holes. That's exactly right. You understand? Okay, so how did we meet? I feel like I know like I feel like you reached out to say, what was yours one of the like, I need help emails or was yours a thank you email. I can't remember.

Kate Hall 4:39
I was all of the above. I started with a thank you. I think I messaged you on Instagram. Maybe just thanking you for all that you do and how much you've been helping our family and then I reached out wanting to be on the podcast. And then I reached out for help. After that.

Scott Benner 5:00
And I remember talking on the phone with you, because I feel like I embarrassed myself. Do you feel like I embarrassed myself on that phone call?

Kate Hall 5:07
No. Oh no, I actually was so grateful that we'd already spoken because it made me a little bit less nervous to do this today so much more. We've already chatted. Yes, no, we did speak on the phone. It was funny because you were like, you know, can you can you give me a call? And I'm like, sure. And then the next thing you're like, what's your number? I'll call you I'm like you're probably very smart not just giving random people your phone number.

Scott Benner 5:31
What if I just called you instead? So you don't remember me embarrassing myself? This is just

Kate Hall 5:37
no so what do you think you embarrass yourself with

Scott Benner 5:40
not to but I think that's what I know. I at some point discussed having written a book not not understanding that you are a professional writer who's one day time Grammys, okay. Daytime Emmys Excuse me.

Kate Hall 5:55
Um, I have never written a book and probably could not. So they are completely different genres. And yeah, that's crazy. That's nothing to be embarrassed

Scott Benner 6:04
about my books not really a book. It's a it's a I don't know. It's It's It's It's loosely connected blog posts like that are longer than regular. I could just, I don't have so ready.

Kate Hall 6:18
You were also on the Today show something I have not ever done any will never

Scott Benner 6:23
was on Katie Couric? Not to today's show. Oh, well. Okay, I did do fac er, though. That was really cool. Oh, that is cool. It was Yeah, it was cool to hear way

Kate Hall 6:32
more famous. And

Scott Benner 6:34
it was very cool to have the NPR guy in his deep NPR voice that he did not look like he was putting on it just felt like it came out of him, you know. And he's holding my book. And it's dog eared. It has like stickies in it. And all I could think the whole time I sat there was oh my god, I think he really read.

Kate Hall 6:50
Write read it closely enough to put sticky notes in it. Well,

Scott Benner 6:54
because Katie Kirk's producer read it and then told her about it. So right. It's my expectation that maybe NPR guy didn't either. But anyway, I'm in like, you're a real like, you're somebody pays you to write. I just want, right, I was in the right place at the right time. That's a different situation. You know, I mean, so I don't I just found myself embarrassed. Because I mentioned that I'd written a book. And it's not something I normally mentioned, either, which, by the way, now people are listening is like, Oh, this guy probably runs around all the time going. Have you seen my book? I don't think there are times I bumped into an old box of his books in the basement. And it actually makes me think, Hmm,

Unknown Speaker 7:29
I Oh, yeah.

Scott Benner 7:31
really feels like that. The thing about books is you can't really make any money off of them unless you're famous. So it's a lot of time for the much reward and the return is that you wrote a book, which is cool. Like, I have to admit in like certain scenarios. It's a selling point for me. Like I hear people say that all the time. Like, they'll have me out to speak and I they're like, oh, Scott wrote a book. And I'm like, it's not about what I'm here to talk about. But okay. Like, it would be like if I wrote motorcycles for dummies, and I was speaking at a diabetes event. They're like, Oh, he's an author. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 8:05
Yeah. It just gives you like street cred. wrote a book.

Scott Benner 8:09
It does. And by the way, it's published. Like, by, like, I didn't self publish it not to like, who and anybody who has but you know, I'll publish.

Unknown Speaker 8:18
Oh, it's legit. You should be proud of it.

Scott Benner 8:20
Right. Okay. People have already hung up the podcast. up half of that, so we stay in this. Are we saying your child's name? Did we say it?

Kate Hall 8:31
Yes. I said it, Dylan. Okay. Dylan is 11 She is. She just turned 10. And what

Scott Benner 8:39
how old was she when she was diagnosed?

Kate Hall 8:42
Nine. It was like a week before her?

No, a week after her birthday. So she had just turned nine. So we're just over a year. I'm remembering.

Scott Benner 8:50
This is why I pushed you off so far for your recording. Because I wanted you to like I might not have told you this. This could be you did not. I was manipulating you like a puppet. You just don't realize. But I wanted I would have told you if it would have occurred to me, but I wanted you to be with it longer before we talked about it.

Unknown Speaker 9:08
Oh, okay. Make sense, right?

Scott Benner 9:10
Yeah, that's make sense. Yes. You were nice. So it wasn't weird to say, hey, you can record in like December, right? Like, a year ago?

Kate Hall 9:19
You're like, I know it sounds far out. But how's the beginning of December?

Scott Benner 9:23
Sure. Don't give away them the language from the email because it's the same email that goes to everybody.

Kate Hall 9:28
Oh, sorry. I mean, mine said something totally.

Scott Benner 9:31
But no, no, I can't. I had to automate some of this. I was really losing my life to like writing emails and responding to stuff and which is really cool. But it was taking up more time. And I was like, suddenly not editing the podcast anymore. I was like, I think they'll stop listening if there's no podcast. So no,

Kate Hall 9:47
I was like suspect. I was like, I don't know. I mean, he keeps saying that he is talking to all these people who reach out to him like that just can't be true. And then I email you and you're like, do you have time to chat? I'm like, oh my god. It's real. He really does it so crazy. So

Scott Benner 10:03
I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna absolutely flip you out. We started recording at 10am. And at 959, I hung up the phone with the person I was talking to. Oh, wow, because she had a confusion about something and I didn't want to. I just seems like I don't know, it's so much easier to say than it is to type. And yeah, I'm pretty. I actually believe that I'm pretty good at explaining diabetes and writing. But it's, it takes a lot of time. And you can miss nuance and things like that. So, no, totally, it's easier that way. Again, let me preface that by saying or not preface it, but let me PostScript that by saying please don't call me. Busy, and I don't have time.

Kate Hall 10:47
But seriously, I like helping people. Well, obviously, I mean, it's my gosh, I just can't even tell you how helpful you have been?

Scott Benner 10:57
Well, Kate, you better be able to tell me because that's why you're right.

Kate Hall 11:00
Right. Okay, I will find that work.

Scott Benner 11:03
All right. First of all, you are your soap opera royalty. Tell me a little bit about what your mom and dad did in the world of soaps.

Kate Hall 11:11
Okay, so they met on the soap opera search for tomorrow. And they played Scott and Kathy and they got married on TV before they got married in real life. And yeah, so then, later in life, my mom switched over to the writing side. So I'm really following in her footsteps. But yeah, I come by the soap opera world naturally.

Scott Benner 11:37
Now if I had your mom here, and I said to her, what made you switch to writing? would she say something? Like I had said it so many times. I just I knew what they wanted me to say. Or

Kate Hall 11:44
is it? No, you know what she she would probably correct me on this, I would I tell people and maybe I'm wrong. I think she did it just because it's a much easier schedule when you have children. And it's just, like, I work from home, I can work in my pajamas, I have no meetings to go to. It's great. I can still like be a mom and get my kids off to school. But like, I have this job that I love. It's just sort of perfect for when you're trying to raise a family. For me, have you ever been on screen? Have you ever stuck yourself in the background or something like that for? No, I dream about it, though. I had dreams, like a couple times a month where I'm like, at the studio for whatever reason, which I'm never at the studio but and you know, it's kind of like they need somebody and like a hall do it. You know, and all of a sudden Patrick turns into this actor extraordinary. And I have like a, like a main role now on the show, which of course that would happen. No, I love I am a writer, I think because like, I didn't have the chops to be an actor I would have loved to I'm too self conscious. I do. I would take rejection horribly and like that's what an actor's life is. It's people telling you, you're not right for this, you know, I would I would have been bad at it. So this is me getting to like flex that muscle. But from behind the scenes,

Scott Benner 13:03
you know, I didn't understand all that. And I can't believe I'm gonna bring up the book. But when I'm laughing at myself, when I when I finished writing, and I turned in my work I got, you know, they got back to me. And they had made an edit, which is super interesting to watch someone else edit your work, because when I reread it, I couldn't figure out what they cut out of it, which I thought was fascinating. I was like, Oh, yeah, like, That's amazing, you know. And we had, obviously, the publisher and I had long conversations over many, you know, a year or more during the writing process and the business beside of it. Everything is the book came back, you know, and she sent me back her edit.

Unknown Speaker 13:42
What is that about a kid?

Scott Benner 13:42
And I was like, Yeah, like, I was just like, of course you are because I wrote a book. And and she's like, No, no, we don't do this. For most authors. She's like, you can talk. And I was like, what she goes, most people who can write are not good at being the out front face of what they're writing. That's true. And she's like, 100% true. And I think you just kind of said the same thing there, which is what made me think about it. She's like, people who are usually good writers are not great speakers. And I thought no kidding, right? And she's like, No, no, really, she's like, we're gonna, we're gonna get you stuff. And then by the way, most of the cool stuff. I did. I did. They didn't do like, you know, right. They were always like, do this magazine article. I was like, This is the cool stuff here. We're talking about how do I get on TV? Like, be on the radio? I don't want to actually you know, it's funny. I did a podcast the first time and they use the audio from that podcast to show to other people. They're like listening. Oh, it was very, very interesting. Tony rose. I was on his podcast, which folded a long, long time ago. Every day when I'm making this podcast, I tried to prove Tony wrong. Tony had like a it wasn't a podcast. It's my show. I guess it was but it was like blog talk radio. That was a thing for a while where people just recorded like, over telephones and it sounded like that too, you know. But Ryan tried to talk about diabetes on his and his his long defunct and, and I contacted him in 2015 when I was starting to do this, and I said, do you have any advice? You know, I take any advice you had. And he goes, we'll enjoy it while it lasts, because you'll run out of things to say eventually. And I laughed, and I said, Oh, I bet you I won't. I'll take that bet. Nothing. She could talk forever. Just so you know. I always I never forgot that. He said that. Because every once in a while I think of it. I'm like, I gotta keep it fresh and new and think of different ways to go. Because I don't want to get into a scenario where I feel like, oh, I've already said that, you know,

Kate Hall 15:42
right. No, totally.

Scott Benner 15:44
So how do you stop that from happening? on something? Like you're on general hospital right now? Something that's how long has that show been running?

Kate Hall 15:51
Oh, God. 50. Like, I want to say, like, 57 years or something?

Scott Benner 15:59
So do you have any ability to make something happen? That hasn't happened five times already? Like, how do you do that?

Kate Hall 16:05
I mean, I would say most stories are recycled in some way or another. But you know, I don't come up with a story. I am a script writer. So I am told, you know, this is what is going to happen. And then I write all the dialogue for my show, like the day that I'm signed. So are you choosing direction?

Scott Benner 16:28
Like, which? No, no, I mean, like, the direction of the story, like what, no, I, I like flesh it out through the die, like, I can change some things, you know, if I don't like how they got from point A to point B, I can change the middle part. But that, you know, the end of the day, the tag of the day has to be the tag of the day, unless I'm told otherwise. So that you don't run into like, you know, it makes me feel like these current Star Wars movies where they talked about, like JJ Abrams came out with his reboot. And then Ryan Johnson came up and sort of like, if you watch the second one, you could see in that script, where the guy was, like, I don't agree with the stuff that was said in the first script that I'm going to try to move them away from that with my writing. So you don't have the ability to do that they give you like, you know, Robert Scorpio is going to show up here. And by the end of it, this person, this person, this person needs to be going towards this bar for this reason, and you get them there. Is that the idea?

Kate Hall 17:24
Yeah, do yeah, and all the dialogue in the stage directions. And, you know, they're just sitting around doing nothing had been conversational, try to come up with something they can do. And, you know, with soaps, it's like, a lot. I feel like the what I'm most proud of is making, you know, either, like the absurd sound, normal, you know, like something that somebody would actually say, and also, you're doing a lot of like recapping and kind of, like, you know, you're like, Oh, God, I feel like they had this conversation, you know, two scripts ago. And so it's trying to keep like, you keep things fresh and not always sound like you're saying the same thing. And so I feel like that's sort of the biggest challenge, then there's a name for that in television, right in writing for television is what do they say? like Captain exposition? Like, what is that idea when an actor comes on to explain to you what's about to happen? What's it? Yeah, exposition. Yeah. It's like expository dialogue.

Scott Benner 18:22
Yeah. When a guy just walks into the scene and says, So you mean, if we push this button, that mountains going to blow up? And you think no one would say that in a real scenario, but since they only have 45 minutes to explain this to me, we got it. Right. That's how you leap over 15 minutes of dialogue that would draw that out. Right? So is it sort of the opposite of like, so how do you play against the idea as like a professional writer? Because what do they say? Right? Like, don't, don't explain something you can show. Mm hmm. You are, but you're, you're explaining it in lieu of showing it?

Kate Hall 18:55
Well, I mean, it's just it's in different scenarios. It just depends what you're going for. But yeah, ideally, you would like to show it and not say it, but like, they're just some situations where, you know, you gotta, you got to do it. And there's, it's funny, there's some actors who are just better at it than others. And we're like, Okay, give that to so and so because he is really good at just like whipping out this expository dialogue, but like making it sound pretty normal, and he like gets it done quickly. And so you also like you have certain people in your head who like you would assign that job to?

Scott Benner 19:33
Oh, there are some people who aren't as good at it. It sounds more like an ad coming out of their mouth like,

Unknown Speaker 19:39
Yeah, exactly.

Scott Benner 19:40
Yeah. It's interesting. Do you know the actors personally, or do you have that feeling just from watching them on television?

Kate Hall 19:46
I know some of them personally, I get intel on them from like my editor because I am a mom on the phone with her like usually at least once a week where she can say Tell me like, yeah, this person probably won't be as comfortable with this as that person would or whatever it is. and

Scott Benner 20:07
heavy lifting give it to this person.

Unknown Speaker 20:10
Yeah, exactly. Mm hmm. Something that's very cool.

Scott Benner 20:14
Yeah, I feel like we're learning a lot here. Let me ask you this. Do you ever do watch the show?

Kate Hall 20:21
I try to I am embarrassingly behind right now. It's, you know, it's an hour. And like, at the end of the day, it's not like my husband wants to sit and, you know, he would I guess if I had like, mandated it, but, you know, we watch other stuff on TV, we're not gonna like sit down and I'm not gonna like press General Hospital, I usually if I'm like working out in my house or something, and I'm on a treadmill, I'll put it on or I just don't have a ton of time to watch it. But I wish I did. Because it's, it's really helpful. Even now, even after writing for as long as I have, you know, we get new characters all the time. And the only way to really get their voices and figure out who they are, is to watch it. You know, me just reading words on a page isn't going to help me. There's a lot to unpack here. Here's why. First of all, I know women have a tough but if a man said if I mandated it about like that would not fly came out of your mouth so easily. You're like, Yeah, he do it if I told him to. And

Scott Benner 21:21
we're all everyone listening is like, Oh, yeah, absolutely. If

Unknown Speaker 21:25
I need more, I need more.

Scott Benner 21:28
He said,

Kate Hall 21:29
my job like, he would feel bad being like, Oh, I'm not watching dental hospital because I like work there. And I, you know, like, I, I didn't mean it. Like, I can just order him around. Yeah.

Scott Benner 21:41
Okay. And so. And the other thing is that there are times where I pop the podcast, and I want to make sure it sounds right through headphones. I want to make sure it sounds right. If you just flop your phone on the countertop, if you're running it through a speaker, you know, I try to top of that, I try to make sure that, you know, there's connecting phrases that I use that I try not to. Obviously, I'm you're trying to avoid. So I tried to avoid but I use so a lot to get me to my next thought. Right? I sort of let it go because nothing is scripted here. So I am really thinking along with the conversation, try to cut myself a little bit of a break, but I try to listen to it. You know, so that I can figure out what it is. And my my wife will be like, are you listening to your own podcasts? And I was like, Well, yeah, but I'm just trying to listen to the and she's like, Oh, sure you are and then the sporting, I did it with the episode that went up today, which is the second trimester of Samantha's pregnancy. Like I don't know if you Oh, yeah, I saw that it popped up on my phone. So I'm listening to it. And I'm by myself in my house making my breakfast. And the absolutely delicious thing happened. I made myself laugh. So I'm laughing in my kitchen at something I said on the podcast, and it made me feel like a dope. Like I was just like, how can this? No, I knew I was great. No, I don't know. It seems like it might be like a mental illness. I'm actually putting the ad here because while I was recording with Kate, my computer crashed. This is just a natural break in the conversation. I'm going to make this quick for you Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor see the speed and direction that blood sugar is moving with the dexcom g six. This is incredibly important. This information coming back from the Dexcom is going to inform it's going to supercharge your ability to understand how insulin is impacting blood sugars. how food is impacting blood sugars, how food impacts insulin, how insulin impacts food, it's going to show you so much You are going to be able to make decisions, unlike your wildest dreams could desire is that English? I think it is unlike your wildest dreams could desirable. There's a better way to say that. But what I'm saying is when you see this information, you begin to make better decisions about your type one diabetes, these decisions lead to better time and range, they can lead to lower a one sees so much when you can stop those spikes. And stop below before they happen. Just sort of find a way to keep your blood sugar in that zone that you're looking for. That's huge dexcom.com forward slash juice box Go find out more about it right now. The Dexcom g six is just a huge tool. In my daughter's life with Type One Diabetes, I do not believe that her a one C and all the other things that are important would be where they are without the dexcom I'm not even mentioning Sharon follow I should By the way, you know Dexcom like the wearer can share their information with up to 10 followers that's for iPhone or Android. Imagine your grandmother, school nurse, Mother, father and anybody you want. can see your blood sugar and if you're an adult, your best friend Friend at work, your sister, your brother, anyone, even your mom still like when you're an adult, you still need your mom, right? Well, with the dexcom g six, you can share your information with others if you want to.

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Oh, let's hear it for max auto save. It is amazing. Was that my fault? No, my computer just crashed. So the truth is, I am using a five year old computer that I need to replace. And I made a decision this year to upgrade sound equipment over computer equipment. And this is the third crash I've had in a year and I haven't had one before that so I think this thing shot. I might have to go out on a limb and replace the computer. So all that all that fat cash I'm making off the podcast going oh,

Kate Hall 28:02
you should have done it this weekend. One of those you know Cyber Monday do something hurry. I'm

Scott Benner 28:06
thinking about maybe still doing it after that. Anyway, we didn't really lose anything. But I saw I asked you about whether you watch the show because I wanted to ask you if while you're doing that, if the dialogue runs ahead in your brain, like Do you know what people are about to say? Is that weird? Do you ever find yourself mousing along with it? Or going Oh, they're about to say this?

Kate Hall 28:26
No. Because I mean, it airs almost three months after I've written it. So I'm a little like, I'm so far ahead in my writing that I'm like, it's more like a fun reminder. Like, oh, yeah, I thought the fun show.

Scott Benner 28:42
Yeah. So now that doesn't surprise me at all. Because I'll get emails all the time ago, I was listening to the show today. And you said this and thank you and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. I I recorded that six months ago. Right? You know, and it went up today. And it's really, I can't believe I asked you that. Now I know that you said on the call. Of course you don't like because you're writing ahead. Right? Yeah, that's so cool. Okay, so all right. Let's get to the real meat of this. This meal doing now had diabetes for about a year were diagnosed. Tell me a little bit about what happened.

Kate Hall 29:21
It was her like well visit just her yearly annual visit and we went in and they said you know she's she's grown to inches but it says she hasn't gained any weight and the entire year so they're like, oh, the scale must be wrong. We'll go do another one. We went to another scale said the same thing. And I could tell the doctor was like, Huh, but then she was just gonna Dylan seemed like otherwise healthy and she was just she was going to have us come back for a weight check. And a month or two or something. And then I in the back of my head. We Pete and I had been on vacation. And when we got we left our kids With our nanny who's amazing. And when we came back, she said, You know, there was this one night where Dylan went to the bathroom, like, six times, she said, when she woke up in the morning, and, you know, I was like, Huh, that set off like mild alarm bells for me, but on the way to the doctor said, Dylan, you know, had that happen again, have you had to get up a lot? And she was like, No, and, you know, don't say anything to the doctors. embarrassing. I was like, okay, okay. And but then, you know, once I saw the concern, and her doctors face, I said, you know, there is one thing are, you know, and I told her what I just told you, and she said, Okay, so they did a urine test, there was glucose in Dylan's urine. And then they wanted to do a finger prick. But they didn't have a meter in the office. So they had to go somewhere else to another nearby doctor's office, get it, bring it back. And that was like, the worst sitting in the waiting room. Like, just wanted to get it over with so badly. And so they did the finger, the finger prick. And she was like, 300, and something. And just because of pee, I knew, obviously, that is not normal blood sugar. And so I was like, I think you have what Daddy has. And I thought that would sort of make her be calm about it. Like because she sees her father every day living a completely normal and healthy life. And she like flipped out, like, screaming and crying. And I mean, I was careful. And yeah, so there was no hospital stay for us. They just like sent us to the endocrinologist in like, the local one that they usually recommend. And we went to see her and they did all like the official tests. And then she got like her for a one fee and everything. And they officially said, yes, you have diabetes.

Scott Benner 32:01
Well, Had you ever considered before it happened that it might

Kate Hall 32:06
not once, and I feel so naive about that. But I, nobody ever said that I so my husband was diagnosed after we were married. He was in his early 30s. And everybody just kind of made it sound like he'd been struck by lightning. And no pediatrician ever told me it was like, there was a risk that our kids would get it. His doctor didn't say, hey, like, you know, when you have children just be on the lookout like nobody ever said it. And now, knowing what I know, I can't believe we weren't on the lookout for it. But we weren't like we were blindsided. I called him at work to tell him what was happening. He, like, was horrified and jumped on a train and came out and I remember them like, I still like cry. When I think about it them. We were in the parking lot of like a pizza place. Because when we went to the doctor, you know, they're doing all these tests, were waiting on them. So she said, you know, go get whatever you want for lunch. You know, of course, we're like, What do you want? You know, pizza, Pete was like, wait, she's eating pizza. And like, just, it's fine. I don't know, they told us It's fine. It's fine. Just meet us there. And he gets out of the car. And they just like ran to each other crying. And it was just, it was really, it was super emotional. And he had a lot of guilt, which of course he shouldn't have. But you know, he felt like, Oh my god, I gave this to her. And it was it was really sad. But it's also since then, I think connected them in a very special way.

Scott Benner 33:42
In that moment, when they kind of embraced and they were crying. Did you have a different? I don't know if you had the bandwidth at that moment or not. But did you suddenly see diabetes for your husband differently than you'd seen it prior? Oh, 100%

Kate Hall 33:56
I wasn't even I didn't even follow him on Dexcom. Like, he was just totally just doing this by himself. And I yes, it's changed dramatically how I looked at it for him and my empathy. And I mean, not that I wasn't empathetic before. Of course I was. But it's like a whole new level now. Well, you could just tell him to be I'm gonna mandate that he's just like a raise of blood sugar when he's low

Scott Benner 34:22
together. But no, I really, but I mean, I'm super interested in what you said, because it just feels like that it's possible that because of the lead up and that he was diagnosed when he was and that you guys got married, you know, you know, you weren't married when you're 18 or something like that? No. So that it's possible that for the first time in that moment, you saw how it impacts him. And have you spoken to him since then about? I mean, he's obviously I don't want to say hiding but there was a part of his life. He wasn't. He wasn't sharing right like about the diabetes. Does that make you feel strangely or do you understand the privacy is he as private now as he was then etc.

Kate Hall 35:00
I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say he was never hiding anything. It was just sort of, I didn't have that sense of, you know, other than like the first low he ever had. And I was pregnant, and I was sleeping in another room because he was snoring. And of course, that was just so annoying. And in the middle of the night, he like crawled into where I was, and was like, you know, I need juice. And I like, I want to say I ran but I probably waddled down the stairs and got, you know, a cup of orange juice. And he came back up, and he like, couldn't even bring it to his mouth. And I had to, like, feed it to him. And like, that was really scary. Obviously, it was it was our first experience with Alo and he had to, like, email his doctor the next day and be like, this happened to me last night. What was that? And the doctor was like, Oh, you just had your first low like, I we didn't know a lot going into this. And he was mis diagnosed at the beginning. And it was all confusing, but other than that, you know, needing to bring him something like that. I don't know. I didn't feel like it. Was this like team effort? Which is what I feel like it is now. Wow,

Scott Benner 36:12
that's that's really cool. Did How long did Pete have diabetes before it repeated with Dylan? I was just trying to say Pete and repeat just so you're one Pete and repeat. Well,

Kate Hall 36:21
that's so funny, because my sister married a Peter and my father is Peter. So it's Pete, repeat. And three peat is what we call them. If Arden was here, she would say Peters a euphemism for penis.

Unknown Speaker 36:38
Right?

Scott Benner 36:43
She's a delightful girl. Actually, by the time yours goes up, I'll say this year because it won't be teasing by then. But are denier gonna sit down and do a short series on the podcast of me trying to like pass ideas on to her? Oh, that's awesome. I had there was a lot of talking that got done to do that. And I think I committed to paying her if I'm not mistaken. Be and But

Kate Hall 37:09
well, now you're gonna have to know. I'm pretty sure

Scott Benner 37:12
I'm pretty sure I had to move her along with some cash. So for all you people out there who when I say like, If I was you, I'd pay them like people always like my son doesn't want to wear a pump. And I'm like, How old is he? They're always eight. I was like, you know, $50 would look huge to an eight year old, right? Like pay.

Kate Hall 37:27
And if they don't matter, candy,

Scott Benner 37:28
yeah. And if they don't like it after that, right on, like, but get them to try it. So I said to Arden, look, we're at this weird spot and you're, you know, in your life, you've had diabetes forever. And you're, you know, your dad's the guy on that podcast. And so it doesn't impact you the way it does other people. And she'll she'd be the first one to say that. There are days that go by where she doesn't think about having diabetes really, like it's not in the forefront of her mind. Right. But there's no doubt that I'm making calculations that she doesn't understand. And and I don't mean mathematical, I mean, you know, bigger ideas. Like she had Chinese food last night, that presented a problem to me, and I stayed ahead of it. Like, I kept her blood sugar like 180 that was like a Chinese food failure was like 180 for three hours. And, you know, everyone listening now is like, no Chinese food failures. 400 for six.

Unknown Speaker 38:20
Pretty good. Yes. And

Scott Benner 38:21
you're like, Huh, really? And I botched this, you know, and, and but she wouldn't know in this moment how to how to manage through those couple of hours so she wouldn't know what to do. And

Kate Hall 38:34
and is that a whole different ballgame now that you're looping?

Scott Benner 38:38
Yeah, no, yes. It's sort of like it's harder to correct with loop. Because loop doesn't want you to, but there's ways around it. There's ways around it. And the last version of loop that's out now is way better. Like it handles food way better. It doesn't cut bazel off like it used to. And it's just it's it's an updated version of Oh, that's good. Yeah. So it's, it's easier for me to correct with it. And I've learned how to like open the loop to crush a high to close it again. Like I've figured out some things. But at the same Yeah,

Kate Hall 39:13
why don't people just like, open it during the day and then close it for sleeping.

Scott Benner 39:19
Because you still have there are still going to be times where you have insulin needs changing during the day and the loop will get in front of those things. It'll get in front of it. Okay, and so as best they can, it's it's right around food. If you mess up the Bolus for food, then it's it's just, you know, it's a little more difficult to get back on top of but I really am figuring it out. It's just that Arden wouldn't know the right level of that

Kate Hall 39:45
right. And that's gonna be so great. Dylan will still eat those up with us.

Scott Benner 39:50
Well, I'll tell her not to see if it makes her feel differently about it because it's going to be me and her and at times, it's going to be me her and her friend Jani. is a kid who Arden met online who has diabetes. And we're going to do like a round robin thing if the technology holds up, which I think it will, and into the all three of us are going to talk about because Arden and Jani are in different situations like garden management is more stable than Yannis is. And Johnny's looking to, like get to that stability. So I think the information would impact both of them the same way, even though they're coming from two different places. So I have my fingers crossed, I practice on some kids who weren't mine in Kansas City a couple weeks ago. Now that I was like, here's other people's children will practice on them. Come on over here. And seriously, they took the information really well. They took notes, they were paying attention. Like it was really interesting. So

Unknown Speaker 40:45
Oh, that's so cool. So this podcast

Scott Benner 40:47
can't wait. Thank you. It's just a, it's a walk through my experience. And this is going to be the next part of my experience. So we're going to try to bring it to the show. We'll say I should knock on wood or something like that. She found that I've said this, that she'll back out and be like, Am I doing that? But does we need to have these conversations?

Kate Hall 41:06
Yeah, so I should not she does make it useful for everybody. Right,

Scott Benner 41:10
exactly. So that's our That's horrible. So okay, so so you had this thing? What I feel like, it's probably the most emotional moment of your life I'm imagining, and, you know, this whole sort of thing, you know, comes together for your husband, I get the part about feeling like you gave it to her. Is he shake that over time? Or does that stick with him? Do you think?

Kate Hall 41:32
Yes, I think he has.

I think he, it took a little while but you know, just had to keep telling him you know, she, you didn't give it to her any more than somebody gave it to you like it's just crap luck for both of you.

Scott Benner 41:49
I know Kelly has that feeling sometimes because Kelly has hypothyroidism. So there's an endocrine issue with Kelly. And it's, it seems like there's a feat on the female side of Kelly's family. They all seem to have a little bit of an endocrine thing. And I think that makes Kelly feel like she gave Arden diabetes, which she of course, you know, intellectually knows it's not true. But right, Martin,

Kate Hall 42:09
I get it. I get it. I would probably feel the same way. Yeah,

Scott Benner 42:12
go back to Dylan exploding in the doctor's office. Did you just let it happen? Did you I mean, I'm assuming you consoled her, but like, you just let her let her have her moment.

Kate Hall 42:21
Yeah, I let her have her moment. I kept trying to explain. I mean, I did not do you know, you always talked about like, crying in the shower, crying behind closed doors, but I was like, just 100% crying and that scared her. And I remember saying to her, I am not crying because I'm scared. Like, I know you are going to be fine. I'm crying because I'm, you know, really bummed out that this is happening to you, but it's going to be okay. She just she kept asking me if she was going to die. And I you know, maybe maybe she was asked me that before they came in with the meter. Like when she was a little confused. And that's when I said, No, you're gonna be fine, but you might have what Daddy has. And then when it was confirmed, and she looked at the doctor and said, Do I have diabetes? And her doctor said, Yes, Dylan. I think you do. And she I mean, she really she screamed. It was I was very surprised by it. But yeah, I let her do it and just hugged her. And, you know, we were leaving. And then I just like, couldn't deal anymore. And I like turned back and I remember hugging the nurse. And it was nice. I hadn't seen her again since because she was pregnant. So she's been been on maternity leave. And I saw her again for the first time at Dylan's well checkup this year. And I said, You know, I don't know if you remember. But last year, she just cut me off and she was like, Oh, I remember. And that was a nice little moment to see her again and have it be under much better circumstances.

Unknown Speaker 43:48
Remember your child screaming like

Kate Hall 43:53
I remember you losing your you know what all over the top? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 43:57
Look, you cry. The kid screamed. Am I remember this

Unknown Speaker 44:03
week? Oh, God. Blue Monday here just

Kate Hall 44:08
sent out. Yeah, they just send you on your way. I'm like, Wait, what? Drive to this other town and go see this person like okay,

Scott Benner 44:17
very likely gonna be fine. Goodbye. Yeah, geez. Well, I I'll tell you, I have to like commiserate with her a little bit because I was in a hotel room while my son was recruiting for baseball. So he was in high school trying to get into college. And we were away one weekend when I found out Arden had hypothyroidism. And I believe that I had to stop myself from punching a hole in the wall of the of the hotel. Oh, I just so angry. That, like in the way it felt to me was like, how could you How could it be two things? Oh, yeah. Like how could she get to things you know, like, which is that is is how it really struck me in my heart. I was like, it's enough. Right? She's doing okay with this. Why would you, you know, and I'm not even I'm not religious, I don't believe in you know, like, I just I don't feel that way. It's not like I was blaming a higher power. I just thought this is this feels wrong, you know and hold me together. I think that my son was in the he was in the bathroom and I didn't want to like think I didn't want to lose myself in front of him. So I just kind of held right there. I think I would have just run through the door in the adjoining room and but like, Hi. My daughter has hypothyroidism they go with their type one diabetes. Isn't this great?

Unknown Speaker 45:34
Oh,

Scott Benner 45:36
terrible. No. Do you have other children? I do. I have two

Kate Hall 45:42
other daughters. Both younger Dylan's my oldest. Then I have a daughter Sawyer, who is eight and my daughter Reese who is for

Scott Benner 45:52
better to pick names than a television writer for children. That's they say that's a hard thing to do. But if you've got the skill, you have it, and you apparently did just Peter get the head any input on the children's names? Or did you'd mandate what they were going to be?

Kate Hall 46:05
No no mandating on that we know we came to it together. Yeah, I just love sort of the kind of the boy names for girls. I just think it's cute. Yeah,

Scott Benner 46:17
I know. Um, Arden is only I think the last time I looked, it's really only a few thousand, maybe five to 9000 people in America are named Arden. And over half of them are men. So it's not a very common name. And it's not the girl's name, but I just loved it. When I saw it looks like this. I get to like, here we go. Well, you liked it so much that you named a character on General Hospital? I sure did. I really appreciate that. Thank you. Fun.

Kate Hall 46:47
So I was bummed out. Her first scene was supposed to be with Laura, of Luke and Laura. And but I guess they must have Jeannie Francis wasn't available that day or something. So they did cut her out of the show.

Scott Benner 46:59
I looked up and I just thought, oh my god, Tristan Rogers is still on this television show.

Kate Hall 47:03
Like, I know, he left for a while. But now he's back.

Unknown Speaker 47:07
I feel like he might be thinking that too. Like,

Unknown Speaker 47:11
am I still doing this? Here?

Scott Benner 47:15
But no, it was really cool. Thank you. I tell. I'm interested a little bit in how the podcast found you and and what it what it did or didn't do for you in the beginning?

Kate Hall 47:25
I did if I you know what, I think I have started following diabetes stuff on Instagram. And then somebody posted, like similar to what I did when their kid got a good a one feedback and, you know, said, you know, couldn't have done it without. And I was like, What's this? What's the Juicebox Podcast. And so I clicked on it. And I started listening. And I remember I was on a train into the city for doesn't matter who cares. And

details not important.

Scott Benner 48:00
matter why it

Kate Hall 48:01
matters like dialogue, and nobody needs to know. And I was listening, I'm texting paints, and you have to listen to this. It's so good. And I was walking through Grand Central and it was the one where you were talking about like shoving the juice box through the fence at her softball game. And she just, you know, took it down in one group. And I'm crying because to me that just was so like beautiful and brave. And I wanted that for Dylan. And so I just started like binge eating it right off the bat. And it was just, it just gave me the courage to finally stop staring at the Dexcom and like watching the spike to 300 every morning and being like, why does this keep happening? Why does this keep happening? I don't understand. And instead just do something about it. Like you always say, like, doesn't matter why it's happening, just give her more insulin. And it was the most freeing thing. And I mean, I've just eaten up to everything that I hear on it. And I it's helped us so much. Like, I'm nowhere near where you are, but I'm doing it like I tell people I have like two full time jobs. I write for General Hospital and I managed diabetes.

Scott Benner 49:13
But you're gonna say and I listened to a podcast,

Kate Hall 49:16
and it will that's true, too. Yeah. And I talked about this man. Like, he's my friend, like, well, Scott says, and everybody's like, you don't know God. You know, who tells you now? Yeah. Like Dylan will be like, Mom, you don't even know him. I'm like, Well, I'm going to so you just watch out.

Scott Benner 49:33
I talked to him on the phone. I know him better than you do. Honestly, talk to me more today than most of the people I know. So that's fine. I've actually interestingly enough, as you're talking about kind of being tough and going through things, and I remember that moment, like, kind of so vividly when she just kind of like took that juice and went right back out there. And it was so cool.

Kate Hall 49:53
Oh, so good. And I needed to hear that like we were right in the you know, Dave after this, it happened and I like It just gave me hope at the beginning before, it's like, it gave me hope before the tools like, I just needed. And I just, I wanted so desperately to hear other parents, because, you know, just it made me feel less alone. And also, just like we could do it, you know, they're doing it, we could do it too. Of course you get

Scott Benner 50:20
I mean, honestly, if I seriously I mean, that's if I can do it, literally anybody can. Because there's really just genuinely nothing special about me. It's not like I knew something first, or I have someone helping me or get anything like it's just these ideas, they kind of coalesce and you can, you can make sense of them after a while. We're actually in the middle of something right this second that, you know, is one of those other tough things like while you were telling me that story about listening to the podcast, I was texting Arden, Hey, you got to eat faster, what are you doing? And so she's had a fairly large lunch. So it's a pretty big bolus. And it looks to me like she got to, you know, she got there sat down and probably didn't start eating right away. Right. It's like 60 diagnol down right now. And I just and I'm just like, hey, it's all the food in she was eating and I was like, dude, faster. You know, that was, that was pretty much it, you know, in five minutes, and I told him like, leave your phone out. Because, you know, if this gets sideways, you're gonna probably need some juice. And you're, you're not going to be paying attention because she's, she's eating. So right now. It's the sets. She's the first day on a new sensor. So in my heart if she was here, I would think test because I don't think she's as low as she says she is, I think right the foods ahead of it a little bit. And we'll wait it out a little because we're not scared and she's eating. But you know that she's not here. It's still a little different. Like it changes what you're gonna do a little bit, you know, like, Oh, yeah, there's there could be a moment in here. I'm like, just have a little like juice. But I know she's not going to no need it. So now I'm fighting the urge to say she needs the juice and kind of watching it happen. Like I say on the you know, I don't say anything on this podcast, and I'm not doing in my own life, like so sometimes you just really do have to have the balls to wait a second.

Kate Hall 52:08
Yeah, I do that I texted him like, it's gonna hit like you ate lunch. It's all there. It's gonna hit you. Like just wait one second. Because you know what'll happen if you treat it. And you're also I try to remember to like the Dexcom is behind right? So the food could have already hit she might already be on our way up. I just don't see it yet.

Scott Benner 52:31
Wait, wait for one more reading. And then if that reading goes the wrong way. You go, Oh, I was wrong. All right. And go ahead and have some of that juice now or whatever you use your fast acting, you know, kind of treatment stuff. No, absolutely. I'm thrilled first of all that the podcast is valuable for you. I really am. I end up emailing that to a lot of people that sentence and I hope that it doesn't sound trite but I really am thrilled. That it that it did something for you.

Kate Hall 52:58
It's a total game changer. I just can't i can't imagine had I not found it.

Scott Benner 53:04
Very nice. It's very kind. Thank you. I really I mean that it's a it's a touching thing. It really is. Well, it's hard to know what to say. It's it's still strange to me to hear from people like that. Not that it's like it's not I don't want to sound like an ass. It's not unexpected. Like I'm not like I've heard other people say it's just the it's not something you get accustomed to hearing. It feels well. True. You're very nice. It feels special every time someone says it, I guess is

Unknown Speaker 53:34
well that's good.

Scott Benner 53:36
Yeah. What are your using technology? What are you managing?

Kate Hall 53:43
Yeah, we are Dexcom and Omnipod

Scott Benner 53:47
and enjoying it so far. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Amazing. What is what is your husband use?

Kate Hall 53:54
He is just the dexcom and he does injections interestingly, like he keeps an interesting case. So when he was first misdiagnosis, type two so he was on what is it Metformin that is that what it is for like a while and it was just awful and defeating and he would you know, wake up in the morning and I'd be there like holding my breath while he tested his blood sugar and it would be high and he wouldn't have eaten a carb and you know, like he never had carbs like once he was diagnosed he cut carbs completely out of his life. And finally he was correctly diagnosed. But I think he kind of got it in his head or maybe it was phrased to him in such a way that it was sort of like if you get on like the fast acting insulin like the insulin his meals kind of like you've you've given in, like you can do this on your own with food and exercise and what if you have to go to insulin like then like, well, like diabetes got you type of thing and It so he just took one injection of key doesn't take Mantis but you know whatever. The similar insulin is the long acting.

Yeah, love him here. That's what he takes.

And it wasn't until Dylan was diagnosed so we're talking like eight years of him just through diet. Like he chips.

Scott Benner 55:25
Yeah. Oh my god, okay, he was really misdiagnosed.

Kate Hall 55:30
Oh no, I mean they knew he had type one for all that time I met he went eight years just on one long acting shot a day and no fast acting. We didn't even have any in like nobody ever even prescribed him any insulin like fast acting and sleds and we this is a Yeah, it was worth it is a one C was fantastic. Like in the fives always. Wow.

Scott Benner 55:55
Okay, well, a long honeymoon.

Kate Hall 55:58
Um, yeah, well, he just didn't eat any carbs.

Unknown Speaker 56:01
Oh, ever. Oh, ever? What was he eating?

Kate Hall 56:04
Like salads and chicken and vegetables and meat and like no carbs. Like he went from having sushi rolls to like just sashimi. Luckily, he was never really a dessert person. So that part wasn't hard for him. But like, we just didn't order pizza anymore. And we, you know, made zoodles instead of noodles and like we just, he just didn't eat carbs. Okay, so anytime we go out to dinner, I'm like, I am having all the pasta because like, we never cooked any carbs at home. And I never got to eat that stuff anymore.

Scott Benner 56:37
And did that like that? That kind of went through everybody like you were sort of a low carb family at that point.

Kate Hall 56:43
Oh, no, the kids were like carb maniacs. And I ate carbs just like not for dinner when I was with him but like i certainly carbs for breakfast and lunch and stuff.

Scott Benner 56:53
Oh, I see. Just not notice just

Kate Hall 56:55
him. Just him. Yeah. And and then after we were on like an airplane home from I think we had been skiing in Utah. And we're on the plane home and he had had this horrible like accident on the slopes for this guy who didn't know how to ski just like careened right into Pete and like, you know, dentist is pull in the lenses of his goggles popped out like it was a very hard hit. But they were both wearing helmets. So that was good. But I think like something got really shaken up in his body. And it's his blood sugar on the ride home on the plane was like, through the roof to the point where his meter was just saying hi. And so when we got off the plane, he texted his doctor and that was the first time that he'd ever been prescribed, fast acting, the doctor said, okay, you need to go pick this up and give yourself a shot. And then that just sat in the fridge forever. I mean, he never really used it. And then when Dylan got diagnosed, he sort of realized, oh, like fast acting insulin isn't a weakness. It's just what you do to help you eat food like everybody else. So now he does take fast acting insulin and he you know, can have sushi rolls again, if he wants to and slice of pizza if he wants to. He still eats relatively low carb anyway. But

Scott Benner 58:11
but not not just strictly it anymore.

Kate Hall 58:14
Yes, not strictly anymore. Well,

Scott Benner 58:16
that's interesting. It's such a interesting path. And how is that affected? Well, I guess somebody asked us first, who did you and Dylan like? Is that the the chain of like care? is Pete involved with the owners at you and her?

Kate Hall 58:32
He is involved for sure. I mean, at the beginning, it was so nice to have somebody who like me now it's just, I could do it in my sleep. But at the beginning, like the meter was very like overwhelming to me. Like I'd never tested Pete's blood sugar. He just did that. So I'd never used one before. And all the steps. It was nice to have somebody know exactly what they were doing. He knew how to give an injection. He, he's just he knew how to put on a deck. Like that was so nice to have somebody already like knowing the ropes of everything. But in terms of her care, it just makes more sense. I mean, I'm packing my lunch like I know what's in it. I I'm here if need be. I mean, he stayed out of it completely all day. And I just text with Dylan. But if we're all home on the weekend, like Hill, certainly if he's making breakfast Hill, you know, bolus her and so he's definitely involved, but I like the first person I guess in the chain of command. Do you

Scott Benner 59:37
follow his Dexcom now? I do. Yes. Is that just do you think now a function of having seen Dylan's it just would feel weird not to know his?

Kate Hall 59:47
Yes. And also it made me realize like I could be very helpful sometimes. I mean, if he is out like working in the yard or something, and I noticed it's a precipitous drop and he not going to get the low Arm yet, but I can see where it's going. I'll just like run out with a glucose. That'd be like you're going to need this. And I'm sometimes I'm really nice about it. And then there are other times at night where I've been up with Dylan like three times, and then his alarm starts going off and I'm like, Oh, you got to be kidding me. And I like throw, like sorella glucose. Algo did a stab at him. And like I said, Why aren't you waking up to your alarm? And like, I can't deal with you too. So, you know. I can be like really helpful and a great wife. And then I can also be not so nice about it. But I do you know, I give him the sugar. I give them the glucose. That's just how I do it.

Scott Benner 1:00:37
In fairness last night, I think I heard Kelly say to me, I think Arden's CGM is going off and you're not hearing it. And I was like, Yeah, because I'm sleeping, but I hear what you're saying. So you know, and she was just like, like bouncing a little bit like it was just going under 70. And coming back again. And like she was just kind of like, she was riding along that line. It was like 75, and then it was 69. And then BBB, but then right back up again, like it was doing that. And I I'm saying to Kelly, I'm like, it's a newer CGM. It's okay. But she's like, just go look, it was like, I really think it's alright. Okay. So I went and tested her. And she was actually like, 78. And I was like, I see it's okay. Like I said, I was sleeping. But, but thank goodness for Kelly because I really, I mean, those alarms they do you get numb to them eventually,

Kate Hall 1:01:28
you know, and I, I incorporate them into my dream. So then the alarm is just the sound of a car honking on the street. Like, I fight it. My body fights is like, No, I don't want to wake up.

Scott Benner 1:01:40
I fell asleep last night. I was trying to stay awake, right for a little bit to just get Arden's blood sugar, right, right. Like, I thought it needed a little bump, and I was making sure that bump worked before I went to bed. So I fell asleep, listening to a different podcast than my own. And I woke up realizing that the people in the podcast were in my dream that we were having this whole adventure together. It was

Unknown Speaker 1:02:09
amazing.

Scott Benner 1:02:11
It was really weird. But I know how those alarms end up because you're right. It's like your beep, beep beep and like you realize later, like, that was like a truck in your dream was backing up. And it was the Dexcom alarm. Right? Yeah, I it's a weird life. We all have

Kate Hall 1:02:28
a weird life. And Pete never wakes up. So I silence his phone. Otherwise, I have two phones. alarming, like it kind of like sort of the same time but not really. And they're staggered, and it's really annoying.

Scott Benner 1:02:40
Well, that's actually super interesting, right? Because you see his Lowe's differently than you see hers, right?

Kate Hall 1:02:48
Like, in what respect?

Scott Benner 1:02:49
It doesn't seem like a more immediate need because she's a child or because she's your child,

Kate Hall 1:02:54
or Oh, definitely because she's not I at least know. Pete's getting those alarms. He, you know, knows what to do and would fill in, it's like, I have to catch it and tell her what to do. So yeah, I see them very differently. But I will check in and just be like Pete, are you eating and you know, just shoot them a quick just to make sure if I see it going really low or he'll be like, yeah, I tested. I'm not that low. I'm actually whatever. And

Scott Benner 1:03:21
so yeah, it definitely feels more urgent with Dylan. Here's my Sophie's Choice. Right? They're both in exactly the same situation. And they need care. Dylan first.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:33
Right?

Scott Benner 1:03:35
guys out there who aren't married yet? Just so you know. Okay. Like, there's gonna be a moment where you're just relegated to Plex leftover, just so you're aware. That's all I mean, I'll be

Kate Hall 1:03:46
I will do real quick. And I'll come right back.

Scott Benner 1:03:48
But I would do the same thing. I would, you know, I mean, if we were on a raft and it was going under, and somebody had to go over, you know, I'd nudge Kelly off before.

It is a real weird feeling. You don't recognize it right until you have a kid but your spouse No matter how much you love them. is really just the guy you met. Right? And your

Unknown Speaker 1:04:18
kids, right? Yeah, it's true.

Scott Benner 1:04:21
There's another plan somewhere but Dylan's Dylan. I'm not trying to say you're like, don't get me divorced, buddy. I'm just trying to be fair. But, but But seriously, there's like, there's a real interesting. Like, I see it more like if I get a text right or something comes up on my phone and I go to look at it. There's this horrible thing that happens in our house. It's very small, but it's not small. I get fixated on what I see. Like if I'm being texted or if it's Arden's blood sugar or something like that. I don't realize that Kelly standing four feet away thinking is everything okay? Right. And so I finished what I'm doing And Kelly's like, what is it and I'm a boy. So I'm like, Look, you can eat, I can either explain it to you, or take care of it. I'm not able to do both at the same time, like so. You know? So like, I need I need to finish it. I'm doing but by the time I'm done, even if it takes 20 seconds, I can sometimes see that it makes her physically uncomfortable. Yeah, she's worried for artists, you know, we're cool. Even if it's a text message. It's I think, in the back of her head, she's like, that's it. He died, right? Like it finally happened. You know what I mean? Like, I've been worried since he was alive and right. No, it's fine. Like, everything's fine. She's not a worrier. It's just in that moment. Like, it's, like, you feel like there's information there and you have to act and I always lean towards back then.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:39
Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:05:40
yeah. What are you gonna do? We chat.

Kate Hall 1:05:43
Well, you need to work on multitasking. Like, it's okay, it's Artem. But she's fine while you're texting.

Scott Benner 1:05:49
Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. And that seems completely doable. It's just a dozen. And I see how mad she is when it's over. She's like, you couldn't have just told me and I'm like, I mean, I don't know. Like, it's just I was just, I was gonna be done the second. And she's like, I think it's because I make faces when I read too. And she infers from my faces. She's like, you looked worried. I was like, I did like that. I wasn't like, just so you know, the dentist wants to know if you're coming for your cleaning on Friday. I was typing in there, you know. It's actually interesting now that uh, hold on. Arden's blood sugar looks lower than it is.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:28
She tested?

Scott Benner 1:06:29
Yeah, she tested and everything's fine. And she's she's 100% fine, but my wife just texted me like you have Arden. And so that's, that means that her blood sugar has been a little lower for a little like, looking lower on the CGM. Then than it is but my wife finally my voice finally like Alright, listen to you're not killing my kid. Are you? Like that? That was that? It was it was like you have Arden right. And

Kate Hall 1:06:50
I'm like, I get those. Dylan you see Dylan? Right. You see? I got her.

Scott Benner 1:06:55
Yeah. Okay. It's thinking, Oh, I'm just the girl you met? I see what's going on?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:00
Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:07:03
You're delightful.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:05
about yourself.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:07
Um, like always nice to hear.

Scott Benner 1:07:10
Delightful. You're conversational. You can hold up your end of the conversation. This is very nice.

Kate Hall 1:07:15
I'm a I'm an anomaly. I'm a writer who can talk I guess, I guess. So.

Scott Benner 1:07:18
I find I you didn't you didn't make me work hard at all today, which I appreciate. And, and we still get out really cool information. But I don't feel like we probably did we not talk about anything you want to talk about?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:30
I don't think so. How is

Scott Benner 1:07:33
doing doing over? Like, how would you characterize her health and her well being?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:37
She's doing great.

Kate Hall 1:07:41
She is like the same happy, enthusiastic kid, which is just awesome. Like, I don't feel like she thinks about diabetes very often. It's like, I don't know, you probably feel the same way. It's like a gift you can give them you know, to take it on for them. So they can just be a normal kid. And so far, it's working. I you know, live in fear of like, puberty and all that stuff. But hopefully, we'll get through it. You'll have to

Scott Benner 1:08:13
wait then. And you will. It's just more I mean, I can I can't give away the secrets too much. people stop listening. But it's really just more insulin. Yeah, when you need it. And when you don't, don't. And you'll start to figure it out. There's a there's a weird rhythm to it. Like you're used to thinking of diabetes in the form of a day. And you have to start thinking about the days and forms of weeks, like right periods a little bit. And then once you can find that, I almost said flow, a better word than that for this scenario. Once you find that rhythm, even that's not right, right. But yeah, you know what I mean? Like, like once you can find that. It's like, Oh, this is the week where you're going to need more insulin. This is the week where you're going to need less insulin. This is the week where it's not going to act weird, but it might get funky once in a while. And you just sort of then there's that one week where it doesn't impact you and everything goes back but you learn how to like, bounce between them real effortlessly as it I mean, I I'm trying to learn that I guess, right? And it's doing mostly Okay, there's something it's just when you don't notice, because you're not the person. Like, right, it's not like I have like there's not like an alarm that goes off in my head when Arden's period starts or when she begins to oscillate or something like it's not like I get a message. Right? So I have to like see what's happening. And then I think oh, that's this and Oh, right. It's this week. Yeah. But I'm telling you, the, the real the real trick is going to be to get everything that you're going to accumulate over these next six, seven years, right and figure out a way to put it into context for a person living with diabetes because you you're going to have a very special set of skills as a caregiver that I don't think are Going to one to one transfer. Like the right note me like, that's the Yeah, that's the thing I'm starting to work through now and why I want to have on the podcast and stuff because there's, there's what I know how to do, there's what impacts me so that I can react to it and then living with it's going to be completely different. But I think there's a way to transfer what I know, into a person who has diabetes, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put Arden on that table, and I'm going to yank her up outside until the lightning hits her, and I'm going to try to make her you know, try to turn her into a Frankenstein version of my ideas in her life.

Kate Hall 1:10:37
Interesting, too, because it's almost like you have to sort of make them care as much, you know, like, make it be as important to them their health as it is. Like, I just don't, you know, I just imagine like a lazy teenager who just doesn't feel like dealing and like, No, you are gonna have to deal like

Scott Benner 1:10:57
100% right now my mom is like, 76 years old, somewhere, she's more worried about me than I am. Right? You know, and so you're always gonna have that over giving me like, Isn't it weird how our minds work, like, you know, she's your daughter, but to her, she's just, she's just her. And you know, not everything doesn't feel as important or even connected, you are less connected to yourself than you are to your kids. Right? You know, like, you have this, you don't have that same feeling of responsibility. She wasn't there. When she came out. And you were like, Oh, my God, it's my job to keep that thing alive. Like she didn't have any of those experiences. You know what I mean? So

Kate Hall 1:11:34
I used to be like, the biggest type of Kondracke and you know, always worried thinking I was going to get sick, or this was going to happen to me or that. And once I had kids that all like all of that energy just transferred, you don't care. You don't care anymore. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:11:49
exactly. I had an emotional conversation with my wife the other day about what it feels like to kind of care for Arden and be the one person that I cried through, because I realized I really only care about my kids, I stopped caring about myself. And you know, it's not that I don't take care of myself, but like, you come to that realization like that, if I were to get hit by a truck right now, My only regret would be that I wouldn't be able to help my kids more, right? Like, that's a really weird feeling to have. And your kids don't have that feeling about themselves. You know, I don't know, dozen years isn't going to sit we I have to, I think of it as my job, right in this next phase of the podcast to figure out how to take all this cool stuff that we all understand as caregivers, or adults who are listening who have found a way to, you know, be combined into who they are during the day. And I have to figure out how to explain that to my kid, like, so that I feel like is the next step. But I will get it all worked out way before your kid gets older. Don't worry about it.

Kate Hall 1:12:47
That's what I'm counting on. Like, all right, yes, please. And like technology and like, well, maybe it won't be as difficult because it'll be more sort of streamlined and easier than it is now.

Scott Benner 1:12:57
I think that's a sincere possibility. Okay, I really do. But I still think that there's the nuance right, that the scenarios and situations that they're going to need to understand how to, like employ that technology? And what Oh, totally? What do you do when, when the technology, you know, fails on you for some reason? You know, how do you how do you handle that part? And some of it's going to be, they're just going to have to have it happen to them. You know, and that's gonna be hard for you to say,

Kate Hall 1:13:26
right, but it's really the only way to learn. I mean, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:13:29
it is. So it's all gonna be fine, as long as I stay alive. But is that what you're telling me that the pressure is on me right now? Yeah. Yes.

Kate Hall 1:13:41
you've convinced Arden to do that theory to do because I think that will be amazing.

Scott Benner 1:13:45
Good. No, I think she's going to I really do. I bought the equipment that makes it possible for me to record two voices. So at this point, I am pot committed on that. And we'll see we'll see what happens. Well, I really appreciate you being on and doing this. Did this live up to your expectations? Or was it a huge letdown?

Kate Hall 1:14:03
No, it was great. It was a lot of fun. Thanks for letting me come on. I basically bribed you by getting your daughter's TV. So thanks. I just want to say that's probably true. Get my kids on television. You do get to come on the podcast.

Scott Benner 1:14:17
That's I you were booked before that, right?

Kate Hall 1:14:21
No, no. Well, yes, I yes. I was booked. But I think it was like part of the

Scott Benner 1:14:29
it was part of that conversation.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:31
Yeah, like part of the package a little bit. I

Scott Benner 1:14:33
have one last question for you. If you have a minute. Do you feel pressure to incorporate diabetes into the show?

Kate Hall 1:14:41
Oh, thank you for bringing this up. Oh my god. Okay. So there's a character on General Hospital. His name is Lucas he's currently used you know, cart like Sonny and Carly. You probably haven't watched in a long time.

Scott Benner 1:14:53
Anyway, I haven't and you still think I don't know who those people? Of course. Okay.

Kate Hall 1:14:57
Yeah. So or he's Bobby. Bobby and Tony's son, Lucas, Lucas Jones, and he so I've been writing for the show for like eight years. And I am getting my assignment and I look through it and I see that Bobby Spencer, they're giving her type two diabetes, and she's having conversation with her son. And you know, he's like, Mom, how can you not know how serious this is like with my type one? And I was like, Well, I'm sorry. Like, wait, what? Like there's this character has diabetes. And I had been writing for eight years and like, had no idea because nobody ever talks about it. So this actor poor man, I have like, I have alarms going off all the time. Now when he's in conversations, but it's husband, I have people talking about carrying glucose tabs around I have been saying, you know, I took insulin, but I didn't get a chance to finish my breakfast. So I'm writing it in every chance I can get which, and the show is being great about leaving it in there. I'm hoping they are liking the sort of realistic approach. Like obviously, it'll be the first thing that gets cut if the show is long or something but so far, it's made it in there. It's very cool. By now you got to get like a device on him somehow, right? Oh, I do. He wears a glucose monitor. Not that we've seen it, but we've heard it like we've heard his Dexcom go off.

Scott Benner 1:16:19
Oh, no kidding. Do they know that? That's so cool.

Kate Hall 1:16:22
I don't know if the actor has any idea what's happening. I think he just like says what's written there. I don't not sure if he really understands it, but he's doing it. So that's good. It's very interesting. I wonder what it's like to that's interesting. I'd be making me wonder like, what how much he thinks about or doesn't or he's just saying the words, but that's I know, I would like to if I ever meet him, I'll ask him and explain why all of a sudden he's talking about diabetes, but he hasn't done that for years and years.

Scott Benner 1:16:48
Do you feel that pressure come from community are you you're pretty much on its You're like an Instagram person, right? Pretty much.

Kate Hall 1:16:55
Yeah, I'm on Twitter. That's more like Twitter is my like soap opera persona and Instagram is just me.

Scott Benner 1:17:03
Well, our blood sugar's good. By the way, she's 65 diagonal up, everything's fine. She was hanging this version for a while everything's good. I don't want people to wonder is that as the episode stop, but I think we may be Pre-Bolus a couple minutes too early, is what I'm seeing as I'm looking at the graph, like I even realized when she was like lunches soon. I remember looking and thinking that seems four or five minutes early, that probably won't be a problem. But uh, it kind of was but fixed. No big deal. Just stick the juice through the fence, drink the juice, keep going.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:35
Okay.

Scott Benner 1:17:37
Well, I really appreciate you sharing all this. This went in more directions than I expected actually your husband's story. It really fascinated me. So I think it was cool that you were able to share all of that. I appreciate it.

Kate Hall 1:17:49
Oh, good. Well, thanks for letting me share it.

Scott Benner 1:17:54
Huge thanks to Kate for coming on the show and talking about being the mother and wife of someone with type one diabetes, and for having a really cool job and putting my daughter in general hospital which I'll play for you in just a second. Thanks also to dex comment on the pod for sponsoring this episode of the Juicebox Podcast. Get yourself a free no obligation demo of the Omni pod today at my Omni pod.com Ford slash juice box. And you're definitely going to want to go to dexcom.com forward slash juice box to learn all about the Dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor. Links to all of the spot links to all the sponsors or Juicebox podcast.com are right there in the show notes of the podcast player that you're listening with. Alright, ready, there's two little clips here. One is just a short blurb. You'll hear a couple of guys talking then it'll go into the blurb with Arden's name. And then there'll be a little like kind of scrub sound and then it'll go to the next one, which is a little longer is very cool hearing my daughter's name on General Hospital, because I am not kidding you. I sat for countless afternoons with my mom on the sofa watching GH and I'm not embarrassed, not even a little bit. Ada

Unknown Speaker 1:19:08
ottenere will be asking questions. Da Scorpio is a strong presence. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:14
allegations against the defendant objection is sustained. jury will disregard that defendants speculation with regards to miss McCall. Miss Soto.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:27
No further questions, Your Honor.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:30
Miss Arden, your witness.

Kate Hall 1:19:38
You stated that everyone within Dawn of day is equal. But that's actually not true. Is it? Some are more equal than others. Can you explain how the trust operates

Scott Benner 1:19:57
there's some video of that audio video for the audience. Is video the audio way to talk? Well, there's some video of that audio. I guess the video from that audio with the video that that audio is from? Yeah, the video that that audio is from is available at Juicebox Podcast comm on the page for the episode of this podcast, I feel like I've been very clear. And I don't know why you're confused if you're confused, but I'm certainly I guess by now you guys have listened long enough to know that if I'm doing this later at night, this is how this ends up going. And it's kind of late right now. So anyway, I'm sorry, but I need to go to sleep. So I'll see you soon with another episode of the Juicebox Podcast. You have an absolutely fantastic diabetes doctor and nurse practitioner or anything nutritionist, somebody you use, who's making your life better with Type One Diabetes. If you do, just know that not everyone gets a great doctor, but they could. If you go to juicebox, Doc's calm, you can add your fantastic physician or practitioner to an ever growing list of listener. of listener. I'm gonna have a stroke here. I can't think of a word listener. It's not suggested, what's the word when you want to? Oh my god. I'm not going to stop this recording too, I think of it recommended to an ever growing list of listener recommended doctors, physicians, practitioners, people who are helping them with their type one diabetes. So if you need a great Doc, check out juicebox Doc's calm and if you have one, you can go to that same link to email me your doctor. Just look at the format of how the information is there. That's the information I need about your great doc. Okay, I think you've gotten a pretty good look into how long my day is. I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Say I can't talk I hope you've enjoyed this episode of the Juicebox Podcast. If you're enjoying the show, please take the time to leave a wonderful rating and review on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen. I feel like this went well.

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Justin (T1D) , Cory (T1 Mom) and Scott chat it up

Cory is a T1D mom and Justin is her grown son living with type 1 diabetes. 

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Scott Benner 0:01
Hello, everyone, welcome to Episode 361 of the Juicebox Podcast. On today's show, we're gonna let the good times roll. And by that I mean we're gonna try something a little different. I'm having a person with Type One Diabetes, Justin, he's an adult and his mother who, then this may not surprise you is also an adult. That's not the point. The point is Justin's mom kind of fills in some of the questions about diagnosis in the early days, and then we move on to Justin who talks about having Type One Diabetes now and his career as a chef and many other things. As you're listening, please do me the favor of remembering that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. Please always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. Do you have an absolutely favorite diabetes endocrinologist doctor nutritionist, nurse practitioner somebody you love and you'd like to share it with someone else. Head to juice box Doc's calm. Not only will you find a list of listener approved doctors, but you can add to that list by sending an email with your favorite doc and their deeds doc in their deeds juicebox Doc's dot com

This episode of the podcast is sponsored by the Contour Next One blood glucose meter and touched by type one touched by type one can be found at touched by type one.org. When you visit their website, you'll see a list of their programs, their awareness campaigns, and how you can get involved with supporting people who have type one diabetes, Elizabeth forest as their founder, she's a wonderful person. I've met her a number of times, and each time I've come away feeling warmer than the last. And you may absolutely have that experience as well, when you visit touched by type one.org. Hey, are you perhaps in the market for a new blood glucose meter? Have you been using the same old meter for far too long? And you're sort of unsure of how accurate it is? I mean, how long ago? Was it designed and made? Are you holding like a 10 year old piece of technology in your hand and hoping it's going to tell you what your blood sugar is? Are you tired of test strips that fail and throwing them away and being wasteful, not being able to see the test trip at night? Having this meter that's hard to hold in your hand and do what you need to do at the same time? Are these things happening to you and you think I wish they weren't? Well, they don't have to. Because you could go to Contour Next one.com Ford slash juice box and find out all about the Contour Next One blood glucose meter, what you're going to find is a meter that is easy to handle, easy to read, easy to see the test strip at night. And incredibly accurate. These are the things you need from a blood glucose meter. Handle Ability Test trips that you're not always throwing away because it didn't go quite right. Because this test trip has a second chance you can go in hit a little blood not quite get law come back out try again. It's a great meter. My daughter's been using it for a while now. And I mean, I don't want to throw any shade on the other meters. But this is the best one she's ever used. Head over to Contour Next one.com Ford slash juice box and find out more. There's all kinds of links there. Even about Savings Programs, possibility of getting a free Contour. Next One meter, check it out. Contour Next one.com forward slash juice box with links in your show notes. Or at Juicebox podcast.com. When you support the sponsors, you're supporting the show, and I appreciate that very much.

Justin 3:46
Hi, my name is Justin. I'm 39. I've been diabetic for 36 plus years. And

yeah, it's cold in Minnesota.

Scott Benner 4:00
That's where you're at. Now also on the on the show is Justin's mom, Cory. Cory, can you say hello?

Courtney 4:08
Hello, everyone. I'm Courtney. I also live in Minnesota. I don't know why. No, I'm just kidding. And I am Justin's mom. Justin is our oldest.

Scott Benner 4:20
How many kids do you have? Cory?

Courtney 4:22
We have three but I consider that we have six because they all have wonderful, significant others.

Scott Benner 4:29
Your mom's gonna be sweet. See, this is nice. Okay. So we'll start off a little bit. Here. I'm going to kind of do things backwards a little bit, I guess. Corey, can you tell me what you remember about Justin's diagnosis?

Courtney 4:44
Yeah, it was actually very memorable because we found out that he was diabetic in a pretty unusual way. We were living in Minnesota but my husband was being transferred to St. Louis. And so the night before we left, my husband was already gone. I was and you can picture this. I had Justin who was to one week before his third birthday. I had Amanda who was one. And I was pregnant. And so the night yeah. There's not a lot of other things to do. No, just kidding. Um, so what happened was the night before we had been outside, swimming, playing, having a good time. And we stopped to get a bite to eat. And unbeknownst to me, Justin is drinking everything on the table. Are you finished with this? He asks very nicely. And are you finished with that he's drinking everything on the table. And I thought something was really odd. But a friend of mine who is an ER nurse goes, Oh, we've been outside, it's hot. You know, no big deal. Well, by the time we go to get on the plane, the next morning, he is again, drinking everything inside, he has to go to the bathroom. And he is potty trained. But he has toured the bathroom frequently. And we get on the flight. And we get to St. Louis. And mind you, I'm by myself with two babies pregnant. And I think you know what, something's not right. So I pull into what looks like a pediatric clinic. Because it's, again, my first day in St. Louis. And we know no one. Yeah. I pull in and I sit, you know, take them out of car seats, and so on. And I go in and I give them what I don't know. But they should know, classic diabetic diabetic symptoms. His eyes are very dark, he looks very dehydrated. He's, you know, thirsty all the time. And of course, he has to have a bathroom all the time. And I tell them, I just need to know if this is life threatening. Or if it's just a virus. And they're like, Well, you know, we're really busy. It's 10 o'clock in the morning. We're really busy. We can't see him until about four. Oh. And they kind of look at me like,

Oh, she's just being overprotective.

Unknown Speaker 7:20
I'm sorry, you cut out. She's just

Courtney 7:23
being over protective. Gotcha.

And that's not my nature, I usually handle things pretty well. So I'm like, Well, okay, I guess it's not life threatening, and bundle them back up in the car. And mind you it's 100 degrees in St. Louis. It's, you know, summer bundle backup in the car. And I started to drive down the road. And I'm like, No, something is not right, I need to get this check. So I said, I'm just going to take him to the emergency room. But of course, I don't know where I'm going. And this is long before cell phones. It's even long before MapQuest if we can imagine. So for all the youngsters out there, yeah, way before. So I think I'll just take them to an emergency room, will I miss the entrance to an emergency room down the road. But then I see another like high rise clinic. That what you know what, we'll just go there, and I'll see if somebody else will just take a look at him. By this point, he has to go to the bathroom again, we go in, and I just hit a button that I see pediatric ear. So it's just one doctor on one floor kind of thing. And I go in and I say the same thing. I just need to know if this is life threatening. Or this is just, you know, a cold or virus. They were so dear. They took us in immediately. They did a quick test. And they said Mrs. emo. I don't want to alarm you, but your son is less than 12 hours from going into a coma. He has type one diabetes also

Scott Benner 9:00
here right now, that's not an alarming sentence at all, you will probably find pregnant with your little children in a brand new.

Courtney 9:08
So in this way, said I am not someone who panics. So I said, Oh my gosh. And to be honest, I was just so thankful to know what it was. And to know that it was something we could deal with. So at that point, I just said Could I please borrow your phone so I can let my husband know he's at his place of work. And can you please give me directions for where I need to go? Because they had also said we've called ahead to Cardinal Glennon children's Memorial Hospital, downtown St. Louis, and my job my way on the south side of St. Louis, my very first day there. So they give me all the directions. I put the kids back in the car. We drive to the hospital and by this point, they've Both falling asleep and Justin's becoming more and more lethargic by the minute.

Scott Benner 10:04
Yeah, dying is another word for it. Yeah, pretty nice. Exactly.

Courtney 10:10
So we get there again, like I said, it's 100 degrees, I take one out of the car seat, I start to take the other one out, the security guard was just wonderful. He's like, may I help you? I said, that would be wonderful. So he picks up Amanda carries her and I carry Justin and Justin is so far gone at this point. And this has just happened to you rapidly that they were in the ER for six hours. And I held him when they put his IV and because he was that lethargic. And fortunately for us, we say this, though, so so many times. We were meant to find this out in St. Louis, because Cardinal Glennon children's Memorial Hospital is across the street from Washington University, the premier diabetic Research Hospital at the time, at the time,

Scott Benner 11:06
so things have changed. So I save a couple of questions. First of all, this is like a classic Midwestern experience, you know, you just people are taking you in, you know, you didn't get turned away at first. But you know, everybody's very happy to help you once you're there. Scary, or no time to be scared. Do you remember at all and Justin, I'm interested to do you know this story? Or is the first time you're hearing it?

Justin 11:33
I know the story, but I

was obviously out of it at the time. So it's it's pure hearsay, which is kind of why I thought it would be a good idea for my mom to actually tell it.

Scott Benner 11:46
Yeah, it's super interesting. Yeah. And I thought it would be interesting even to kind of hear your I mean, your three. So I mean, honestly, I don't remember one thing from when I was three. I don't know a lot of people do. But yeah, yeah, this exact please. 36 years ago, this happened to you. And you know, it's just like she's borrowing people's phones to call them and you know, can I can I borrow your telephone? And she she left out the part where it was like a rotary dial phone hanging on the walls of the office. Probably. She also

Justin 12:15
left out the part where hadn't even got to our new house yet.

Scott Benner 12:21
Yeah, you're just there, right?

Courtney 12:24
Yeah, it's my first, basically our first hour or two in St. Louis, in a rental car. And yeah, it's, I will tell you honestly, that I was not so much scared. I was truly I was scared, because I knew something was happening. And I felt like they didn't take me seriously at the first place. So that was a big deal to me. And so then when I got the answer, well, I thought it was a monumental piece of news to get, obviously, I was so so thankful I know what it was.

Scott Benner 13:04
Anyone who's gone through an undiagnosed illness, knows the relief that comes when somebody tells you what it is funny, because you put so much effort and time into worrying and thinking and trying to figure it out and going to different doctors, and then everybody's always like, well, maybe it's this like, Well, that doesn't seem like an answer, an answer, sometimes very comforting, even if it's not the answer you want.

Courtney 13:26
Absolutely. And then I will be really honest, too, in that when he was in the hospital, so of course, they admitted him. And so our first six days in St. Louis, was in the hospital, right. And it's funny, the little things that happen, I happen to have coloring book and crayons and things. So Amanda was underneath Justin's bed coloring. He was just being fantastic. And I think, you know, kids rise to the occasion when there's things going on. Yeah. So she, she was wonderful. Justin was absolutely amazing. Because once he started to get IVs, and those sorts of things, you know, we got him back pretty quickly. And that was great. But I remember them worrying so much about us being overwhelmed and being really frightened. And I think both both Gemini, my husband and I just do really well with information. So at that time, of course there wasn't Google. And I said I'm fine. But can you get me all the information that you have? And I said, I don't want the layman's terms. I want all the medical documents. Yeah. And they gave me everything. It was wonderful. And then I'm just a voracious researcher and reader anyway you poured through. So that became my mission. My mission was find out absolutely everything. thing possible?

Well, Justin could have the best life.

Scott Benner 15:04
How was the treatment? 33 years ago? Was it regular an MPH? Did you even have a meter in your house? How did all that work?

Courtney 15:11
Oh, that yeah, that's interesting. It was regular and mph. And we tested blood sugar Betty, it was basically just on a stick. Yeah. And then you know, you were checking out and getting your your ratings. And then, but because we were in St. Louis, it was very different than a lot of places that I've heard of, in that he was having multiple shots from the beginning, though he he had four shots a day, which was not common for a lot of protocols elsewhere. Yeah. And so we felt very fortunate about that. And then he also tested his blood sugar, six to eight times a day. But he was, he was amazing, because I grew up.

So I'm 61.

And so when I grew up, it was kind of that whole time of free spirited people, and you would see things on TV is black and white TV, but things on TV where people were doing things with needles, and so on, and I, I was really pretty afraid of needles, okay, um, you know, of course, you have to have a shot. So I would do that without a problem. But it was something I was like, I could never be a nurse or I could never, you know, that was not my thing, right? And then I end up having a child who's diabetic

Scott Benner 16:38
is that, and this is the 60s or those know, the 70s.

Courtney 16:43
For him, he Well, when I grew up, or when he was no, he was born in the 80s. He was born in the 80s. But when you when you're talking about you're growing that time period for yourself. So well, I lived in California at the time, so I was spent a lot of time in San Francisco and so on. And that would have been like, for me, I was in the hospital. San Francisco General, for a complicated elbow surgery. Okay. And that was right in the time. It was like 1967 1968 Yeah, so that was kind of that big free, you know,

Scott Benner 17:18
free love cuz the whole space in there, the Vietnam War. And and absolutely, yeah, that is a weird time. If people who aren't there don't realize probably all the culture that was happening and kind of bang into each other at the moment.

Courtney 17:33
So for me, I thought, Oh, my gosh, I should be the last person to have a child that has to have shots. But you figured it out. Right? Well, I, I will tell you honestly, I'm practicing on an orange Jim was as well. And the nurses were giving him his shots this first couple of days. And then one day, Justin looks up and he says, Mommy, will you give me my shot?

inside a wet?

Unknown Speaker 17:58
Oh, we're gonna give you up for adoption.

Courtney 18:02
Holy crap. And you know what? He was so brave, right through the entire thing that I thought if he can be this brave, I have to be this brave. And it was probably the best thing because it made me have to do it. Yeah. And once you do it once, then you're fine. Sure. No, but that first time, I was dreading and he, he made me He made me strong because he was so strong.

Scott Benner 18:27
That's very cool. So how long do you think Justin? How do you When do you remember picking up your care? Like, when did you guys did you transfer it over? Did you just all sort of do it together for a very long time? How did that all work in your memory?

Justin 18:43
In my memory, I remember. I remember starting to give myself shots. like eight ish, nine ish, somewhere in that range.

Unknown Speaker 18:59
Six, okay. Memories testing your blood sugar at four.

Scott Benner 19:04
Wow. You can pee on a stick when you were four. Justin. Good for you?

Justin 19:11
Um, yeah, I feel like is it I feel like, I mean, not full control, obviously. But I remember doing a lot like, as soon as I could. Okay, kind of thing. Um, because self sufficiency or something? I don't know.

Scott Benner 19:30
I'm just something you were taught you. You were inclined to try it even at a young age. And you did.

Justin 19:36
Yeah, I mean, still, I mean, to this day, I don't I don't like needles either. Like, I go, I go and get my blood drawn at the doctors and I like have a nerve like I don't want someone else standing. I'll stab myself. Thank you very much. Like, I don't Yeah, right. Um, but yeah, I remember doing I remember doing a lot of it. Since As long as I like I don't remember not ever doing if

Scott Benner 20:04
not here. When did Justin in today's like world? You have a pump you have a CGM. Like Is that how you manage? Yep, I tandem. I'm an old I'm an old tech g4 and dexcom g4. Okay, how do you find that still? I love it. That's amazing, isn't it? And that's something that's that's real perspective. Actually, Justin, because I was talking about this with someone the other day, like literally the other day, were you. It was with an old school person who'd been around diabetes for 50 years. And they were mentioning how it freaks them out when someone says, Oh, you know, my Dexcom lost its signal for 10 minutes. This thing is a pain in the butt. And the guy's like, they have no idea what they're, I mean, I guess he said it's relative to their life. I guess he's like, they have no idea how far we've come so quickly.

Justin 20:57
Absolutely. Like, and I I started listening. Actually, the first podcast I listened to of yours was the because it popped up in my like Google News Feed about Costco carrying g six stone.

Scott Benner 21:17
I remember that moment in time when that happened.

Justin 21:19
Yes. And, and I, that was the first podcast I ever listened to. And I was like, you know, I had had, I've had Dexcom for a while and a pump and yada yada yada, but like, and I and again, I come from a strong, like, we've been Pre-Bolus since since I was three. Yeah. Like, taking a shot half an hour, before meals was kind of always the thing comedy. So like people who've, like never heard of it. I'm like, what, like, confused, like, I've known about that since 1983. Like, but I started listening and it immediately kind of kicked in a gear. And I think I've said this on like, the the discussion group, like it, put it in a framework that put a technique to all of the information that I knew, if that makes sense.

Scott Benner 22:19
It does. I'm glad to,

Justin 22:21
um, because it's like, I had all the tools I have all the knowledge like, Why are my eight one C's? Eight and a half, or whatever, you know what I mean? Course, um, but I but but the one thing I didn't have, like I had the old dexcom g4. So I immediately went on a search because I I went to bowl too early, real fast and had some bonkers lows. Some like real hardcore, like Van Gogh, Kaleidoscope type type situations. Um, so that Mike, my girlfriend has a friend whose daughter is diabetic. And she got me a g4 with the share function. Okay, because I never I never had that, right. So like, once I had some bonkers lows, I'm like, I need other people to be able to see this, like, what's going on with my sugars? Because I'm being all crazy. Um, yeah, so like, I just this year, like, I've kicked it into gear. And now my girlfriend can see my numbers and my mom can see my numbers. And like,

Scott Benner 23:31
yeah, and you're managing really well on on dex contact. It's two generations old. Yeah, what were you able to so this this time you're talking about? It's not that long ago? Like you've only been listening like inside of this calendar year. Is that right? Correct. Yeah. And where did you get your a one seater so far?

Justin 23:49
Um, my last one was six, two or six, three. Wow,

Unknown Speaker 23:53
that's very cool.

Justin 23:55
And I'll be honest, like, like, I was tracking it on clarity and, and tide pool and like, I know, I have all the things basically, that I can that I can work with my g4,

Scott Benner 24:08
right? That's excellent, man. How's your variability and your time and range? Is it does it always get better? Are you having trouble with it?

Justin 24:15
I do. variability is I'm working on that. That's kind of the hard one. Timing range. I mean, my 70 to 120 timing range is isn't as great but if I put it to the, the standard, like, on my clarity, I put it to 70 to 180 because that's what all the doctors like to look at. Yeah. And then then I'm sitting at like, 80%

Scott Benner 24:42
that's really great. You know, congratulations. That's wonderful. Now, I need to stop you for a second mom. Is this. How does that feel to you is he's an adult now obviously. And and you're, you know, you're probably far removed from day to day being in contact with him about it, but Want to know? Like, does it feel any different? Being 61? To hear that he has a six two than it would have been if he was 10. And this was happening?

Courtney 25:09
Oh, yeah, I think I think a lot has changed. Our goal, always from the beginning was to, to educate him, you know, enough so that if he was invited to a birthday party, or he, you know, had an opportunity that they were doing a field trip at school. You know, we didn't have the technology that is available now. So if he was in charge, I mean, he had to learn pretty quickly how to be in charge, and what choices to make for food and those kinds of things. But it was really important to me that he be able to know why to make the choices that you make, and how it would affect. But he, he literally said to me, was this a year ago, Justin, that or maybe even shorter than that, he goes, Mom, I have a present for you. It's, you know, 30, you know, 35 years too late. But here you go. And it was the first time I could actually see his blood sugar's through the shared program. That's cool. Where there's so many parents now that, like you were saying, you know, if they can't see something, or something goes down for a short period of time. And they kind of panic and say, that was old school all the time. Yeah, I mean, anything that he did, or whatever, we did not want him to be in this, you know, bubble or cocoon type of life. We wanted him to be able to do anything and everything that he wanted to do. But that meant he had to know what he was doing, too. And he was he, you know, he's, he's smart, smart man. And he was pretty smart, young man. So he took those things pretty well. But I think we tried to understand that there had to be grace within that those choices in those decisions to as part of the learning process.

Scott Benner 27:12
Justin, you're Sir, I'm sorry, I cut you off. Just do you think that you're a one see being in the eights is a product of that was expectation as you were growing up? So you were hitting expectation in the eights at one point, that was what they told you? And now they and then they said sevens? And they always push the number but was it not? Because it doesn't seem like To me it's a lack of your understanding? or lack of trying? I think it was, it's, I'm going to ask you like it was that just because that was the goal.

Justin 27:40
I'll be honest, like I

Yeah, no. I mean, my goal was never to be like Mike, I never, I always wanted to be good. It's not like I was like, I'm gonna be crappy, but like, like, had like, having having knowledge and having the direction to use the knowledge are two different things. Okay. So like, I mean, like, even my mom said it with diagnosis. Like, I don't trust what they said. Like, I I can't tell you how many doctors I've gone to. And within 15 minutes or endos, 15 minutes gone. I'm gonna have to teach this person something like I'm out. Yeah,

Scott Benner 28:27
yeah, I'm here. You know, I'm teaching the doctor. Great. Yeah. And I'm not exactly like the world on fire. So what does that say? Right. Yeah.

Justin 28:36
So so like, I, I kind of had a distrust of like, Don't when I, when I got my first under seven, eight, when I was like, the first one like that, like, I teared up, it was like a 6466 or something. It was first one under seven in my whole life this year. Like the doctor, she looked at me and she went, I don't know if this is good. You know, usually when when patients get under a seven, you know, risk for heart stuff goes up this, that and the other this, that and the other and I looked at it, I went for type ones or type twos. And she kind of stopped and went, you're right. Like and then and then she like, immediately got on my page, because she realized she's not talking to someone who's needs to take a bunch of pills to get a six, six, or whatever, you know what I mean? And it was very, like now I'm like her favorite patient because I roll in with my laptop. And I show her all the tide pool stuff and all the clarity stuff like I don't you know what I mean? She's usually bringing residents in who are like, Oh my God, I've never seen this before. You know what I mean? So it's like finally, finally, I built up a little trust with a doctor in for the first time in 36 years. And it's kind of cool.

Scott Benner 30:00
That's amazing. It's crazy that they don't know about that stuff. It's great that you're introducing it to them. It's nice that they're receptive to it. They're not just putting up a wall, which happens, a lot of people win it.

Justin 30:09
And I'll be honest, like, we're in Minnesota. I mean, I live in Minneapolis. And what's, what's the big company that's right in the cities here. So like, I walk in with a tandem pump, and they are confused.

Scott Benner 30:24
It's very true. Medtronic is it's like if if, if minister, if Minnesota had a state insulin pump, it would be it would be a Medtronic pump. I think it's Oh, absolutely.

Justin 30:37
And like, I was supposed to get a pump, years and years ago, but it was there, like, Oh, go to the IDC, which I maybe they've changed, but they were, you know, I went to the international Diabetes Center that's really well known here. And they're like, Oh, you need three months of exact logs. And you pretty much have to get an A one c under seven before we can even think about getting you a bump. And I was like, that makes zero. Just like you think like that makes zero sense.

Scott Benner 31:05
When you're making that's for sure.

Courtney 31:08
Like, Oh, definitely backwards? Yeah.

Scott Benner 31:12
Well, it's, it's if they don't understand, then we can't give them more to understand in it. And I don't have I feel like I say it a million times. But they either give you incomplete or wrong tools. Even if they give them to you, they don't tell you how to use them. And then they chastise you for not getting a great day one see with those tools until you if you want more help, you're gonna have to do better even though we've given you zero direction. Good luck. And, and I'll

Justin 31:37
be honest, my big my biggest issue, recording, I'm not going to write down every finger stick I do ever. Like that's it's not going to happen.

Scott Benner 31:48
Oh, sorry. Most of this, most of this podcasts exists because of my laziness around diabetes, not wanting to count carbs, not wanting to bring logs to doctors, you know, yeah, all that stuff. Like I'm like, Oh, really, I'm you know, not because I'm lazy. But because it's, you're busy. And even when that Arden was, you know, two, three years old, didn't have time to sit down and hack through months of data to show them which by the way, when you showed it to them, they would sort of look at it like, ah, I think I see a high here. It happened more than once. Like, that's what I spent two days they can through that afford. So you could like, point to a uptick on a line. I could have figured that out. Like that's not helpful. You know, it's I saw that for the last three months. Now, what do I do about it? You know?

Courtney 32:34
Absolutely. Balance is the key. And that's I think that's really the the key to diabetes anyway, is you've got to figure out how to balance all of the things that you are responsible for when you have type one diabetes, with having the most enriched life you can have.

Scott Benner 32:57
Cory, wouldn't you say that? That's life, too, not just diabetes, like oh,

Courtney 33:01
yeah, absolutely. But I think there's a layer that gets added that for those who don't have it, they don't realize because you are required. Because, you know, because of the diagnosis and the management of the illness, you are required to adhere to a certain amount of steps within your protocol to have a full life. So yes, everyone, everyone on the planet, you know, every human being, you know, has certain responsibilities and certain things that they have to do for self care. But if you have diabetes, whether it be one or two, but one specifically, there are requirements, your you cannot jerk,

Scott Benner 33:50
right? There's some stuff it would be

Courtney 33:52
nice some days. Yeah, yeah, it would be nice. If some days you could just get a vacation from it. But as a parent watching a child or other people, you know, never, you know, for Justin to never get a vacation from that. You know, kinda kind of breaks my heart so there's nothing I can do about it. But man if I if I had one wish, you know, well, first of all, he wouldn't. He wouldn't be diabetic, but say How

Scott Benner 34:27
nice is that? Justin? She didn't wish for money. That's really cool.

Courtney 34:33
He knows me I would never wish for money to go

Scott Benner 34:38
I thought you're gonna say if I had one wish. What I do is I'd wish for three more wishes then my first wish would be that no matter what happened, I couldn't die before I made my second wish and my second wish had to come true. My second wish would be that I'd have unlimited wishes then my third wish would be for no more diabetes, because that's I have it worked out that way in my mind, Korea in case I ever meet a genie that comes out of a bottle. Yeah. I definitely know what I'm going to say because I figured I would get flustered in that moment and just ask for like, a Sunday or something like that, you know?

Courtney 35:08
Yeah, I think Justin knows that would be my, that would be my big wish, because it's just one of those things that even just a break. Gosh, I think it would be wonderful. But now that remind me, how old are your children? My daughter,

Scott Benner 35:23
Arden, who has diabetes is 15. And my son is a sophomore in college, he's going to turn 20 in a couple months.

Unknown Speaker 35:29
Okay, so picture this.

Courtney 35:33
Justin knows what he's supposed to do. And here's the thing, knowing what you're supposed to do, and always doing it, it may not always be the same thing to. And, and I think that's just real life and us being human beings. But imagine, you know, they go off to college, and well, we just happen to be in Minnesota and the college he goes to, is all the way down in Louisiana. And so he goes down there, which, okay, that's not a big deal. You know, like, he was ready, you know, to go and, and that was his path. That was great. But our insurance didn't have any affiliation with anything down in Louisiana. When we dropped him off, their only advice was, if he has any medical needs, he just needs to go to the emergency room. Just, we we had no doctor that we could align with no one that he could go to and it would be partially covered. Nothing.

Scott Benner 36:38
This is gonna be over before it starts. I just want to remind you to check out touched by type one at touched by type one.org. And don't forget to go check out that Contour. Next One blood glucose meter at Contour Next one.com Ford slash juicebox. That's it. Just a reminder. Right back to it. Let's find out what happened to Justin when he went away to college and learned how to be a chef by the way. Ooh, wait, it was that a spoiler? Huh? All right. Well, I don't remember now. So if it is, sorry, Justin's a chef. And if it's not, I should be paying closer attention.

And Justin, that's not that long ago, right. 20 years?

Justin 37:28
Those 90 Yeah. 9899 I guess? No. 98 Yeah. 98.

Courtney 37:35
And I remember us leaving Louisiana. And man, I cried. Not because we were leaving him per se. I was worried because let's be honest, kids are going to have fun, they might go out and you know, have a drink here or there, you know, kind of part of college life. And Gemini, we're not naive to think that he was going to you know, like, eat everything just the way you should and drink the things he should whatever. And we had no backup plan medically other than the emergency room. That that was just heart wrenching.

Scott Benner 38:21
How'd it go? Did you ever have to make an emergency trip to Louisiana from Minnesota?

Justin 38:28
Justin? Well, I went to the emergency room once, but they never came down for an emergency. Okay.

Scott Benner 38:35
Yeah, it wasn't so bad that like you were incapacitated, your mom had to jump on a plane and go back.

Justin 38:40
And I'll be honest, like the the I went into DK a, like my junior year, but it was spurned by like I got food poisoning. And it just Domino affected the whole thing. Right? Yep. kind of deal. And that was pretty rough. But yeah, that was

Scott Benner 38:59
a would you go to college to do. What are you trying to learn while you're there?

Justin 39:03
I'm a I got a Bachelor's in culinary arts. I'm a chef.

Scott Benner 39:07
Nice. You have your own restaurant.

Justin 39:10
I, uh, me and my girlfriend run an awesome underground restaurant in Minneapolis. It's very

Scott Benner 39:15
cool. So always in the same location, or do you pop up? Or how do you handle it?

Justin 39:20
Both. We kind of have a central location and then we do we do pop ups also? Okay.

Scott Benner 39:27
Wow, that's really weird is that? I bet she didn't think that's what he would do. Cory when you were looking at him when he was 10 years old. Hmm.

Courtney 39:34
Well, I didn't though he kept saying that. That's what he wanted to do. And he was he was really, really bright in school, but he was kind of bored. And because I also worked in the school system, I worked with one of his coordinators, and got him an apprenticeship to try culinary. And my thought truthfully was that he would go down. They'd Give him all of the grunt work. And he would realize really what a hard profession it is, and how difficult it is, and he would no way do it. And he went down there. They were really good to him. He got to put rings and desserts when people were proposing to their, you know, girlfriend, you got to do all these really wonderful things. And he loved it. And it became his career.

Scott Benner 40:26
Justin, How good was the chef show on Netflix that came out a couple months ago with Jon Favreau. And those guys,

Justin 40:34
I think it's great. Yeah. That's fun. I mean, what I like about it is like, you know, obviously Jon Favreau is not a chef. But um, but you can tell that when he learns stuff, like he learns it. And I think that's cool. Like, there's a lot of people on TV who like, aren't chefs, and I can tell that they're not chefs. And he, like, his knife skills are pretty good. And he doesn't have it down because he doesn't do it every day. But he cares right after he won. He cares about it. Yeah, yes.

Scott Benner 41:07
It's very interesting. It's more than a, he's not just making food. He's trying to he's trying to attain something. It's like watching someone try to teach themselves chess for their whole life. Like they're never gonna get to be a grandmaster. Right, but they keep trying. It's very, very injury. Yes. I remember, I remember the first day somebody showed me how to hold a knife correctly, like more back in your hand, and, you know, thumb and forefinger up on the blade and that sort of thing. And I was like, Yes. Didn't realize that at all. There we go. And absolute. So it's just little things to watch I get right. It's like, it's this guy that made a living, cooking and still does. Next to this guy who just really wishes he could be good at it. And it's like, I don't I found that delightful to watch. I really did.

Justin 41:49
Yeah, it's it's fun. And it's it's weird, like how, I mean, I've gone through, you know, my teens and 20s and whatnot. Like being in kitchens where you're around food constantly. And it's very different from the the young lady, the cake decorator who was on a couple months ago or Ellsberg? Yeah. Kelsey? Yes. Like, she kind of has a, quote unquote, nine to five. And she kind of does the same thing every day. And my days are completely bonkers and different. And it's so hard to like, get my basal rates down. Because of that is because

Scott Benner 42:29
your activity level and when you're being active changes. Hey, how. So this is really like, interesting, because if you spent your time with food when you were young, you're tasting it, too. So how is that? Like? How does that work when you're constantly around food, and sometimes you're not just eating it because you're hungry, you're eating it because you have to

Justin 42:53
the the activity usually cancels out anything your taste.

Scott Benner 43:00
Because you're not having a meal, you're having a couple of bites or a taste or a lick or something like that.

Justin 43:04
I would say if at most, it's usually like a link. It's not even like a full bite. Right?

Scott Benner 43:09
And you're hustling around, and it's hard work cooking. Like, I don't know how much Miguel, how many meals do you make? Do you first of all, you open seven days? And how many meals do you make a day?

Justin 43:18
Actually, we we we are only open, like two weekends a month.

Scott Benner 43:25
Okay.

Justin 43:27
And we do five plus courses? It's kind of fine dining, right? For eight people at a time.

Scott Benner 43:36
So Justin, you cook for 3032 people a month maybe? Or not even like 16 people about

Unknown Speaker 43:43
Yeah, about that.

Scott Benner 43:44
And you're making a living or is you know, living in your mom's basement? And I know I'm not.

Unknown Speaker 43:51
But we I pay

Unknown Speaker 43:52
the bills, right?

Scott Benner 43:55
Like, you better start feeding more people, man, man, but is

Justin 43:59
well, but that's the thing. It's underground. Like, what I'm doing isn't exactly the most onboard thing on the planet.

Scott Benner 44:07
Okay.

Justin 44:08
So I, I can't, and in our food culture here. Like if I were where you're at, I could probably do five days a week, because there's more people and more people probably interested. But here, there's a lot of people who say they're interested. But then when they say, you know, because I don't, I don't basically people go online and they reserve tickets, and then I send them the address the week, the week of the reservation they made that's fun. So that's a little we live in a very sort of Scandinavian society. And that's going to other people's houses is is an odd thing here. No kidding.

Scott Benner 44:49
Just that's really crazy that that works. I hope you scale that one day like and make because it's a really, it's a fun idea. The idea of like, you'll pop up somewhere you don't know where it's gonna be. There's gonna be this this really wonderful, you know, multi course meal that's going to be there and you kind of roll I think that sounds. Is that your idea? Or do you do that from somebody? Or would you? Oh,

Justin 45:09
well, I mean, the kind of underground pop up thing isn't my idea. But I think the method of my menus and things is kind of different because I don't I give out like menu teasers, but I don't like post whole menus, okay. And no menu, no menu gets repeated. That's where no menu item gets repeated. So you said

Scott Benner 45:33
that it's it's culturally odd in that areas just show up somewhere and eat but is it also about the food is are you cooking off culture?

Justin 45:44
Absolutely. I mean, yes, for the most part. Absolutely. And our last our last dinner was kind of Steakhouse themed. I wanted to it was kind of an homage to an idea I had a decade plus ago. But it was it was like steak. It was like steak house food that I wanted to turn on its head, I guess. So there was like a wedge salad had like a mosaic of slow roasted tomatoes and Gorgonzola in a romaine, romaine sherbet in smoked tomatoes and smoked sherry vinegar. And yeah, I mean, it was very on its head in a lot of ways, which I just, it's, it's creative and fun.

Scott Benner 46:29
Yeah, that's really amazing. I, I went to, you know, in high school, I just had technical school took baking for a number of years, and I really enjoyed it. I wasn't good at working in the world at a bakery. It was the getting up early in the morning thing. It just it threw me for a loop. I was like, I'm not starting work at 130 in the morning for the rest of my life. But I enjoy it enough that you know, I cook at home and I am the person who cooks here every day too. So there's an episode of the podcast that went up today that I edited after I made dinner last night like I made dinner, cleaned up from dinner, packed it away, ran upstairs, finished the podcast, but online.

Justin 47:08
See, and like I was talking about my basal rates, like, you know, you talk about stress and adrenaline, like affecting blood sugars. Yeah. I'm like my Friday night dinners are like the first run at the new menu. So like my stress and adrenaline are out there. They blow the Skyway, right? And my bazel rates are miniscule, okay, like they're a third, the third of what they normally are, when you're working like that, when I'm when I'm working. So I have like a, it's literally called Friday, like bazel rate profile. It says Friday, but I can't test that, because I won't have another Friday for two weeks. So I've got one for Saturday, that's a little higher and a little different. Because the nerves of how the food might turn out or might be plated or whatever, like I'm a little more comfortable with it. So they're higher. Yeah, but those are different than like my normal day, right? because they'd be way too low for like a normal day. That's all fun. So it's like, I'm always wrestling. I'm always wrestling with that. Like, we had a we had a dinner a Saturday night in like, late July, where I was playing food again. We have eight people at my dining room. And my girlfriend is I'm plating and she's feeding me m&ms. Because my blood sugar's at like 62 for three hours.

Scott Benner 48:42
She's just pushing m&ms through your lips while you're working.

Justin 48:46
Yes. And like, I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it above 70 for three, four hours, and then when the dinner was done, I crashed I crashed so hard. And I was like, I was just an emotional low mess. Because I was stressed out whatever. And, like, I facetimed my mom, like laughing and crying. Just because I was like my mom has to see how ridiculous everything is right now. And my mom's just like, staring at me in the in the phone going. Eat some food. Right? Eat some food, like being mom and I'm like just looking. I'm eating food. Just, you know, I was like, I was like having like a meltdown. But I was like, I was like 40

Scott Benner 49:29
Yeah, I think that while you were working the adrenaline was probably the only thing keeping your blood sugar at 70

Justin 49:36
probably Yeah, it was it was crazy. I mean, everything about it was was trying to try to knock me down. It was it was crazy, but but I can't I can't bazel test it. Because how do you bazel test something twice a month,

Scott Benner 49:49
right? How was the food though? Oh, it was awesome. Yeah, of course. That's great. Today Justin was taken to the hospital, but the meals were fancy. tastic more 11 Yeah, he seems happy even though he's dizzy. And

Justin 50:06
when it's fun because like, I have like my, my, my sugars now like, show up on my watch and whatever. And every once in a while we'll have a type one or parents of a type one, they come to a dinner and I'll be like, where are they at right now? Or where are you at right now? And I'll be like, I'm here. And they'll be like, Oh my god, you're doing all this work. And you're 102. And I'm like, yeah, this is great.

Scott Benner 50:31
And, and not to, but we're coming up on the end a little bit. I do want to understand the podcast has been helpful to you, because you're you're in you mentioned the the private discussion group on Facebook, which, by the way, is astounds me every day. 1700 people now, I watched a woman ask a question. This morning, I read through everybody's responses, and I just responded, I'm, like, super proud of everybody, this was a really amazing thread, the way like, not one misstep in the, in the, in the responses, like the, you know, it's sometimes online, you're like, you know, somebody will respond. And like three of the people you're thinking like, oh, they're just guessing, they don't know what they're talking about. Even this was like watching four or five brains come in, who shared a thought process. And they were thinking of different ideas and adding on valuable ways. And by the time the threads over the original poster, completely understood was comfortable, they literally fixed her problem. And I'm really proud of the people who listen to this podcast to go in there and do that. Not that you have to or anything like that. But there are people who are motivated to do it. And they they speak in the language of the podcast, and you alluded to that earlier, like, having like direction for the tools. Totally, I was hoping you could tell me a little bit about how that's changed things for you.

Justin 51:47
Well, it's, it's things I guess it's it's, well, a it was, you know, moving the the High Line down to 120. Like, I didn't, I didn't nudge mine down. Like, I think I listened to the two podcasts. And it was at 120. Like,

Scott Benner 52:06
from where where did it start?

Justin 52:08
Um, I, it was probably at at 180 or 200. Just because I know, like 220 is ridiculous. But um, but it was it was more of

Unknown Speaker 52:23
Don't

Justin 52:27
let me think it was the it was the old school idea that you're always going to get high after a meal.

Scott Benner 52:36
Like an unavoidable.

Justin 52:38
What like that, that I just thought was, that's, that's all. That's what everyone's always said, no one's ever said. No, you can make it not do that. You know what I mean? Even though in my brain in my brain, like the first time I got a CGM and a pump, I was like, Oh, I can figure this out. So it flatlines right. Like, that was the first thing in my brain. But then I was like, I can't figure that out. And I can't figure it out and be I don't have the time to figure it out.

Scott Benner 53:07
Well, I think that I do say that a lot. Yes. And I really think that a great deal of the credit to me figuring this out, is that I had the time to I sure it's important, you know,

Justin 53:18
but yeah, I was I was always like, oh, if I eat a carb, I can figure out exactly how much my blood sugar will go up. So then I can, I should be able to then reverse engineer that to know exactly how much insulin I need. And you know, that that's all what's going through my brain when I first get this stuff, but then it's it's still, you know, big spikes and this that and the other. And I guess I never looked at it kind of as going on the offensive versus being on the defensive.

Scott Benner 53:49
That's something it's just simple little ideas that that that paint a picture I have. Who did I it's funny name just like was it Frazier who Dolly knock for knockout flat core, you know, who did Muhammad Ali lay right out on his face? It was Joe Frazier.

Unknown Speaker 54:05
I think it's Joe Frazier. Yeah.

Scott Benner 54:07
So I use that old, I use that really famous photo when I speak in public. And I just put it up and I'm like, Look, you got to punch first, like you can't lay back. You know, you want to be the one dictating the pace, which is a very sports oriented theme. But you know, there's an idea of you don't show up on the field and like try to stop somebody from scoring, you show up on the field and try to run them over. And sure, again, at least then the pace is yours. What happens next is based off of what you did, and you're not blindly, like not just defending but defending against something you don't really understand what it is or what it's about to do. You know, it's like, you know,

Unknown Speaker 54:44
I think it's good, but even Scott,

Courtney 54:48
you having this podcast is such a blessing to so many people. I mean, think of how many people you affect in and People You don't even know of, you know, that are affected by by people who listen and follow you and, and so on that impact that you are having.

It has a ripple effect, you know,

far beyond what, what you can even imagine if one day makes a difference in someone's life. Yeah.

Scott Benner 55:26
Huge. No, I know I can do that too much, Cory, because it makes me sad like that sad. I get like weepy. And hearing someone's mom say it just and it almost made me cry. Like when people when people come on, and like, Yo, man, the podcast helped me I'm like, right on, that's great. But I was like, now you're here. And I'm thinking of you as a little kid. And she's saying that and I'm like, Am I gonna cry on this podcast? Probably not. I'm gonna hold it together. But I really those are very kind words. And I really appreciate it. Cory, I have, intellectually, I understand what you said. And I try really hard not to think about it. I try to keep the podcast me talking to somebody else. And just imagine,

Courtney 56:04
you have to do the day to day thing. Yeah. But Justin will tell you, I'm very, I'm definitely an optimist, and always looking for what's within our control. There's things that you can't control, of course, but within that, what can you control. And so any bit of information that you can get, if you have other people that are kind hearted, and can help, you know, problem solve, all those kinds of voices, and all those kinds of pieces of input, just help people be more successful. And we didn't, you know, we just the bigger the community, and the more knowledge that's available, the more people are helped. And I think that's, that's the bottom line.

Scott Benner 56:57
At the end of the day. It's very cool. I was in Kansas City this past weekend speaking. And I did three sessions, I did a one session that was about just thinking differently than maybe you had been, you know, talk to about this so far. The second session was like a breakdown of the ideas, the podcast and the tools and sort of how to put them into practice. And then the third session, I did a q&a. And people just ask kind of real life questions from their, you know, they're their management. But when I was done, I went into a fourth session where I spoke to the kids that were there like teens. And, you know, I sat them, I get in, stand up on the stage, I've like, brought everybody into a couple of tables, and we sat together in a quiet room, you know, and I just told them, I'm like, you know, look, I, I realized that up until now, things are not going well for you, and everybody who you have to trust seems like they don't have the answer. And that's making you feel like they don't know. So my concern was that I was going to say something new to your parents today. They were going to come home excited. And then you were going to look at them ago. There's that old man again, trying to get me to do something, but he doesn't know what he's talking about, you know. So I said, I'm going to explain to you what I told them. And that was my goal for the talk. But midway through, kids had 12 1317 year old kids had paper out, they were taking notes. Like they were writing stuff down. They wanted, they wanted better for themselves. They just didn't believe it existed. And, and I think I made them believe that it existed. And I just felt very good about that when I left like the whole day was terrific, but like talking to those kids made me feel good.

Courtney 58:32
Yeah, that was like the icing on the

Scott Benner 58:34
cake. For sure. I did it made the flight home easier as well. But I'm exhausted and now sitting on the plane guy.

Courtney 58:43
Yeah, but you know, when you're mentally and physically exhausted, because you've done good things. That's a great feeling.

Scott Benner 58:50
It was I had a wonderful weekend, actually. And it was very fulfilling and, and I think I impacted people which to me is great, because I feel like if I move around the country in enough places and talk about stuff like this, then those people like you said Korea will start talking to each other. And then one day, I can stop doing this podcast. You know, when when, when people's lives don't start, you know, with expectations that are not great and no tools and things like that, that that really is illegal.

Courtney 59:18
So well. imperfect information is so powerful. Really,

Unknown Speaker 59:23
where do you listen to the show ever?

Unknown Speaker 59:25
I do not.

Scott Benner 59:28
Listen, we need to downloads for each part like a person is a download. Okay. never listened to Yeah.

Justin 59:35
Yeah, no, we definitely I'm, I think I'm wait. I'm way ahead of where she's at in the listening situation.

Scott Benner 59:42
That's really nice. Has it helped you talk to him by any chance?

Courtney 59:46
Um, I don't know, Justin. I, I feel. I mean, we've always been pretty close. And I feel like we can talk about anything and I think he knows at the end of the day, whatever it is. We always, always have his back and always want, I think just generally for him to be happy and healthy, and to be able to, you know, really pursue his dreams, whatever that is. And we say that for all of our kids, yeah. And we're fortunate because they're all grown. And honestly, we like we love hanging out with them.

Scott Benner 1:00:26
You know, it's a good time. Oh, I'm glad to hear that I, my kids might talk to me when I get older. Were you Corey, were you keeping up with management? Or is the podcast kind of moved you into this? Where the space is now?

Courtney 1:00:39
You mean, as far as

Scott Benner 1:00:41
I know, diabetes in general? Like, were you aware of everything that was going on? Or has a lot of

Courtney 1:00:47
it? You know, yeah, I kind of keep on top of things. Not as much as Justin does at this particular point. Because I, I, I have other pursuits that I follow as well. And so I, yeah, I'm always driven. I'm kind of a goal setter. And I always am setting new goals for myself and things that I'm doing. So just they'll tell, you know, for a while I was running quite a bit. And so like listening to your podcast with the gal who ran the marathon was interesting. Yeah, it was. So you know, just listening to those kinds of things, just because I've run a few marathons and done that kind of thing. And then I decided I wanted to try and get my black belt when I was 16 in karate, and so I've been working pretty diligently and I did that last December.

Justin 1:01:48
Okay, let me let me interrupt. Go ahead, Mike. She broke her frickin toe, in the middle of one of the tests for the black belt. And she had the instructor straighten the toe out, and she finished the test.

Scott Benner 1:02:05
That's amazing.

Courtney 1:02:07
I couldn't do. I couldn't do my kicks, it was sticking out. So it was my little toe. But it was sticking straight out to the side. So I call over to him because I tried to keep going and I couldn't. And Mike I broke my toe. And it comes over with the tape. And he thinks I just broke it. He doesn't realize that it's

Scott Benner 1:02:24
yaks.

Courtney 1:02:25
Yeah. And so he looks up at me, I'm like, just do it. Because I, I was not going to say I kind of second quitting. So I'm like, I, I'm not failing on my third and final screening towards black belt. So he quickly pulled it, taped it together. And I was about a third into my test. So I still had two thirds left. But

Scott Benner 1:02:48
yeah, how did it hurt? pull it straight?

Courtney 1:02:52
Well, you know, it was pretty quick. And I was kind of on adrenaline. So I think I just did a quick Yelp is what everyone tells me, right? I was so focused on, hurry up. And let me keep going because I didn't want to fail. And it's so hard. It's like two plus hours, as hard as you can go without any breaks. And like I said, you have to do three of those in order to then test for your black belt. And it was my third and final one. And if I would have failed, it would have been fine. I just would have had to start over again in January and do those three again. Yep. And I did not want to do that.

Scott Benner 1:03:32
So he'll too.

Courtney 1:03:34
Oh, yeah, it was. Yeah, it was not great. But I still had all of my pad kicks and my fighting yet to do on my exam. Gotcha. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:03:45
I guess Justin doesn't feel like he can quit anything.

Justin 1:03:51
No pressure. Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:52
No pressure. Well, I want to thank you guys. Yeah. Do it your back.

Scott Benner 1:03:56
Yeah. No, I appreciate this a lot. I this was really cool. This was Justin's idea to try to get three people on at the same time. And I was all worried about the sound and everything. And I think this went really well. So I I really appreciate this. And it was really cool to have the insight of, of two different people, you know, seeing a situation from two different angles. Hold on one second. My daughter is texting me.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:20
lunchtime, lunchtime. Hold on a second. I changed her. We changed something about her ratio. So I have to redo the math in my head real quick.

Scott Benner 1:04:35
There. I did the math. That was quick.

Courtney 1:04:38
This is real life.

Scott Benner 1:04:40
Yeah, we were making we were making adjustments to some of her her settings yesterday and so this is the first day of the have the new settings and and she was she was like I don't know how much it's supposed to do. And I was like, okay, so I just popped the number over. I'm waiting to see if she still sees it but her blood Sugar is Arden's blood sugar is 72 and she's gone to lunch now. Yeah, she's been nice. She's been right in that like 85 ish range.

Courtney 1:05:14
The How long have you had like a way to track her blood sugars. So you knew like when she was at school and

Scott Benner 1:05:21
how long it is since g4 with the share. So now when g4 first came out, it came out with a cradle. And so it was a nighttime thing. So she'd go to bed slide the g4 into a cradle, it would dock in the cradle and then that would somehow I forget how it would give it like access to the internet and then you had to share. But without that many years ago. Oh my gosh. Cory, you know, make me Google. I'm not sure. Second, hold on now. Damn it, we'll figure it out. I'm gonna let you know what I'll do. And this is kind of meta and creepy. I'm gonna go to my own website and see when because I remember reason why

Courtney 1:06:03
I'm asking is because you've had this timeframe where you've been able to track Yeah, I've had this very short window when I've been able to track all the rest of Justin's life. It's just one blind. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:06:16
Oh, no, I had that before. By the way. I had the Wow. Yeah, I had the oh my gosh, like staring at or constantly thinking, you know, is she hi she low? Okay, I wrote a blog article on November 9 2012. That was called first impressions dexcom Platinum g4 night so I guess about that long that she was diagnosed in 2007. So eight 910 i saw i went five years without without it as well. Or not great at it. By the way. A one c wise. I'm even looking now. Oh my gosh, look at this. I haven't looked this in a long time. Like there's a picture here. of her blood sugar being like 250 overnight and but a pretty stable line. And I'm probably like thinking back then. Whoo.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:04
Look at look at

Courtney 1:07:06
you are right. They did not want Justin day one C to get too low. Right? They absolutely didn't. And we would had some times where he would play hockey when he was little. He play hockey. And then we'd have to feed him a lot before we go to bed and he would wake up with the worst blood sugar in the middle of the night. Yeah. Screaming Yeah, I am. We cannot feed them enough.

Scott Benner 1:07:30
I just helped a family whose son plays ice hockey. And he's doing really well now. But we had to like it was tough. Like we had to throw a lot of the a lot of the ideas in the podcast needed to get thrown at it. And then you really had to look at it, watch it happen, figure it out. Because you know that this gentleman and then there's a fall off and there's so much exertion and then there's, you know, super hungry after the hockey game. And there's a lot of things going on there. It's a big mixed bag, for sure made me happy. My kid didn't play ice hockey when I was doing to be perfectly honest. But we figured it out. I mean, I think that's the important part is that it was in the end, when you look back at what happened to those people. It was timing and amount. They were just, they were using their insolent the wrong time. They're always chasing loads and chasing highs instead of being in front of them and not defending and blah, blah, blah, all that other stuff.

Courtney 1:08:25
We Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:08:26
yeah, I really I'm having a great time. But I have to go on. I'm out of time on this side. So I just really wanted to say thank you again, and I appreciate this. And Justin, congratulations on having a really unique business that that's really cool.

Justin 1:08:41
Yeah, totally at it. Anyone who's out there listening, come find us on the interwebs How did they first joke? It's a scared so mn comm scared so like music? s ch er Xeo and then calm and we've got a Facebook page and instagram and twitter if you're into Twitter, and yeah, it's pretty cool. I'm working on I'm working on Joe marcher. What was that?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:11
What was that URL again? One more time.

Justin 1:09:14
Oh, Sc, H, er, ZO, yo, and n.com.

Scott Benner 1:09:26
So the man can find you. All right, I'll figure it out.

Justin 1:09:32
Yeah, I my my girlfriend gets mad at me. She's like, why do you have to pick such up? Something people can't pronounce. I'm like, it's scared. So it's Italian. Like, she's like, yeah, the only people who know that are people who are into music. I'm like, fair enough. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:09:49
All right, Justin, I am going to ask you to email me that link because I don't seem to be able to get it right. But okay, but seriously, send it to me. I'd love to put it in the show notes and help people find you. Okay. Yeah, cool. Thank you. Absolutely. Cory. Justin, I hope you have a great day. Thank you very much for doing this.

Justin 1:10:06
Awesome. Thanks, Scott.

Courtney 1:10:07
Take care guys. Thank you for doing what you do. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:10:09
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Let's do protein rise. Because as you know, and these are separate episodes, so you would have heard me say on one of these other define diabetes, but I got the chance to wear a glucose monitor for 10 days. And I ate pizza. And hours later, my blood sugar started to go back up again. I was like oh my god, this is the thing. You could see it. It's not as bad as if you have diabetes nowhere near and I guess for context what it meant what I meant by that was I ate pizza. I was in like that it was at the end of the day. So my blood sugar was more like 95 or I'd been snack. I was listening. I made the pizza from scratch. So you know there might have been some pepperoni and cheese going in. And maybe I was stepping in the sauce along the way while I was working. So I had some food going. I was snacking a little bit made the pizza I ate the pizza. About eight o'clock at night I had two slices of homemade pizzas. So you know, basic ingredients, not giant slices. And it midnight, my blood sugar tried to go off. And I was like what sorcery is this? You know and it and I'm texting Jenny the next day. I'm like, I gotta fat and protein rise yesterday was the weirdest text our text while By the way, Jenny and I will do an episode at some point that just is me talking about wearing a glucose monitor because it's frying my mind. But But anyway, a protein rice, can we say fat and protein rice here? Do you think it's worth just describing them that way together?

Jennifer Smith, CDE 4:11
I think they're both.

They're both food specific. They both happen or start to happen in about the same timeframe in the aftermath of a meal. They both have a little bit of a different impact and a little bit of a different strategy for managing them or preventing them really. But yeah, I think they they go Okay,

Scott Benner 4:32
so we're really good. This is going to be short. We're really just going to define it here because Jenny and I have already done what I think is an exceptional pro tip episode about fat and protein rise. But for those of you who are newer to diabetes and are hearing people say Oh, that looks like protein to me. And that doesn't make any sense to you because your endo told you that protein doesn't have carbs and it does your car. Yeah, capture carbs, you'll be fine. It's not the case. So like I said deep dive in the pro tip episode, but for defining purposes, when you hear someone say that looks like a protein rise, or a fat rise, or a fat and protein rise, Jenny's gonna explain to you what it is right now, because she's better at this than I am.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 5:10
Yay. So protein and fat do have impact on blood sugar, it all is relative, essentially, to portion and sometimes the content of what you're eating at a mealtime, right. So protein and fat rise, usually, you're going to see it started about the same time in the aftermath of a meal sometime between about two to three hours after the meal, sometimes a little bit later. Like your example with the pizza started a little bit later, like the four hour kind of mark, probably because it was a little bit both of protein and fat. Yep, kind of happening, right. But protein typically will raise blood sugar into scenario is one, you've had a really large amount of protein more than the typical three to four ounce, you know, portion at a meal time, or you've eaten a really low, almost no carb containing meal. And so then what ends up happening is the body breaks down protein, in both scenarios, into Google's starts to happen hour and a half to two hours after the meal, you get this like slight rise that happens, if you don't compensate for some of the protein at the end of the meal. With insulin in one way or another, you're going to get a rise, and then you're going to end up correcting to get it back down.

Scott Benner 6:22
And so if you're looking for a very simple way to wrap your head around that concept, you know, when you see somebody market something that's pure sugar, and they say it's fat free. There, and technically they're right, there's no fat in the sugar, and then you eat the sugar and your body goes, What should I do with the sugar? Hmm, you know, don't turn it into fat. So, technically, you're right, there was no fat in it when you ate it, but it all became fat afterwards. So similarly, you eat this protein, and there are no carbs in it. But then your body begins to break the protein down, and all of a sudden, your blood sugar starts going up. And for most people, it makes zero sense because you'll think I ate like zero carbs at my last meal. This doesn't make any sense. But it does. And it's real. And it's always going to happen. It's not, it's not not going to happen. So when I look at Arden's food. And I'll be like, oh, there's, you know, I don't know, a roll. And I always throw in. I don't know, I don't want to give people a number because what I do is completely random. But when I see some meat on

Jennifer Smith, CDE 7:30
random for artists, right, right for art,

Scott Benner 7:34
yeah, six or seven carbs, I add for for the protein if there's cheese involved, or a lot of butter or something like that. And sometimes I go to 10. But, you know, there it is, it's going to happen now, like Johnny said, but pizza, and this will be explained in the pro tip episode. But there's the cheese in the pizza slows down your digestion, which pushed basically, for me pushed off the digestion of the crust, way out into the future. Because as a person without diabetes, I don't think I was getting much of a rise out of the protein or the fat I was, I just my body didn't, quote unquote, get to the dough until a significant time later. So that's what a fat rise or a protein rise is. If you really want to understand it, Jenny did an amazing job of explaining it. And I pretend that I knew what she was talking about in that episode. So I'll put the episode number at the end so people know it. But it's it's game changing. There's also a couple episodes around keto eating, or low carb eating that that go deep into this idea as well.

Jennifer Smith, CDE 8:44
Yeah, the person who had on for the keto was very, very, they were very good. Well explained,

Scott Benner 8:49
oh my god, she's going to just be giddy when she hears you say that just so you know. She's, I will get a note at some point. So I'm talking to you in the future. Now, I'm gonna get a text that said, Jenny just said I did a really good job of my bike months from now and I'll be like, What did she

Jennifer Smith, CDE 9:07
was great. It was it was good.

Scott Benner 9:09
She really understands it now in a different way. To learn more about how fat and protein can affect your blood sugar, check out Episode 263 diabetes, pro tip, fat and protein. It's with me and Jenny. It's a much longer description of what we talked about here. Friends, it's time to get yourself a free, no obligation demo of the Omni pod sent over to the house. Okay, let's talk about the Omni pod tubeless insulin pump, besides being absolutely spectacular, is the insulin pump that my daughter who was about to turn 16 has been wearing every day since she was four years old. That's a long time. Every day on the pod comes through exactly the way we expect it to and in a myriad of ways By being unobtrusive by being tubeless by helping us with extended boluses Temp Basal rates and just being what's the word I want really just it's there, it's solid. You don't I mean, like it does, it does what I think it's going to do when it's going to do it, I get what I expect. And what I expect is a quality insulin pump. That gives me the delivery and the wearability for my daughter that we need. And that means that she can stay attached to her insulin, when she's playing sports without being obtrusive, while she's taking a shower, sleeping, running around in the backyard, jumping on the trampoline, riding a bike, swimming, all of the things that your body still needs insulin for, you know, when you hear people saying, Oh, I disconnect for that? Well, they don't have insulin during that time. And that's very likely gonna cause a high blood sugar. Now, I understand that two pumps need to be disconnected sometimes. But the Omni pod never needs to be disconnected. It's tubeless. Wonderful. And you don't have to take my word for it. Because on the pod will be thrilled, happy, elated, delighted to send you a free, no obligation demo that you can try on yourself. Find out if what I just said is true. But you notice, but still try my on the pod.com Ford slash juice box. Check it out, get the demo, decide what you want to do. If you want to keep going with Omni pod, it'll be easy. And if you don't, no harm, no foul. You were just trying. That's why they call it no obligation. Now I have an obligation to tell you about the dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor. This application is both business oriented because their advertisers and moral because I think everyone should know about the dexcom g six continuous glucose monitor. Here's why. I'm going to use an example from this morning. Arden wakes up her blood sugar is 106 I see it on her Dexcom nice and steady. I hear her moving around upstairs. No big deal. She's getting her facewash getting dressed getting ready to actually go out right now. All of a sudden her blood sugar diagnol up starts moving up. 106 turns into 115 turns into 118 all of a sudden 125 Well,

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Unknown Speaker 14:49
All right, a little

Scott Benner 14:50
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