#1310 Blame Kevin Costner

September 19, 2024Scott Benner

Pam's daughter has type 1 diabetes and PCOS.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Welcome back, friends to another episode of The juicebox podcast.

Let me look at my notes here. Pam has four children. Two of them are adopted. One has type one diabetes. Her name is Emma. She's had type one for three years. She also has PCOS and insulin resistance. They try to ozempic, but, well, what did I say? But I'm gonna tell you all about it in the podcast episode. Not gonna ruin the whole thing here for you. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the juicebox podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. When you place your first order for ag one, with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D drink. Ag one.com/juice, box. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order@cozyearth.com All you have to do is use the offer code juicebox at checkout. That's juicebox at checkout to save 40 percent@cozyearth.com I know that Facebook has a bad reputation, but please give the private Facebook group for the juicebox podcast, a healthy once over juicebox podcast type one diabetes.

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Pam 2:47
I'm Pam. I am the mother of an 18 year old girl who was diagnosed with type one diabetes in April, actually, almost exactly three years ago, April 2021 we have four kids. We live in Montana. Two of our kids are adopted. Sort of a that's, that's the best of it. That's the

Scott Benner 3:10
Shakedown, isn't it? Pam, isn't it upsetting when you list your life out like that and you go, Oh, that's it, I guess.

Pam 3:18
Well, I mean, that's the tip of the iceberg. We could we'll definitely go deeper in all of that. I'm

Scott Benner 3:22
sure you know how, like, in your heart, you're like, I'm living this exciting life. You're like, I have four kids. I'm in Montana. A couple of them are adopted. One of them got diabetes. I mean, are we done? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Pam 3:32
exactly. Can we stop now?

Scott Benner 3:34
Yeah, this is enough. Happy podcast. It's over. This is why Scott, like, pivots 15 minutes into it and talks about something it has nothing to do with diabetes. To do with diabetes. For a while, your daughter has type one. Is that? Right?

Pam 3:45
Yes, is she the oldest? She is the third child. But our oldest is 25 he's biological. Had him the old fashioned way, and then we had always wanted to adopt, and we were not having any luck getting pregnant again. So we went through, you know, just made the decision to adopt. We went through the state actually, which is usually not recommended if you want to adopt a baby, because that's not really the state's job there. You know, becoming a licensed foster parent. The goal is always for the state to reunite children with their parents. But our son came into our life in a very interesting way. We live in, like I said, we live in Montana. It's pretty rural. He was surrendered under the Safe Haven law when he was two days old, which is a law that allows a birth mom to surrender her child to a police station, a

Scott Benner 4:42
police station or firehouse, right? Yep,

Pam 4:45
okay, and she can stay anonymous to the court. So I got a phone call on a Wednesday afternoon. We have a two day old newborn. He's perfectly healthy, highly probable he'll be adopted. Are you interested? I about dropped the phone. One, my four and a half year old was sitting on the couch watching cartoons, and I'm like, you're getting a baby brother today, like in a couple hours,

Scott Benner 5:07
I would have thought longer about this kids if you asked me for a cat, right? But here we go. Let's go get a baby. Oh, wow. So at that point, you have two kids. Yep, the 25 year old is the oldest. And what that's a boy.

Pam 5:22
There's a four and a half year age gap because we went through all that process of trying to get pregnant and then adoption. So our next oldest son is 20, soon to be 21 he's a sophomore in college. Then your first baseball actually,

Scott Benner 5:36
Oh, hold on, we'll get to that. And then, and then, and then your first adopted is this one you're telling the story about? Yeah,

Pam 5:43
so he's adopted, and then he was a couple years old. And was weird timing. Actually, I just lost my mom. It was 2005 but for some reason, we had the baby bug again, and called the state and said, put us back on the list. And so I think we waited a little bit longer that time with our son. It was pretty fast process, actually, from the time they licensed us to that phone call with like, a week. So that was kind of crazy. But well,

Scott Benner 6:10
yeah, they got they got you marked as sucker on the list. They're like, Well, actually

Pam 6:14
it was like, we were so specific, we want a baby highly probable to be adopted. And they're like, this is never going to happen. And then it happened right away. It was everybody was kind of shocked, because that had never happened. It was only the second time in our state that that had ever happened, the first time in our town. So

Scott Benner 6:32
amazing. How do you like Can I ask how you like living in Montana? Have you always lived there?

Pam 6:38
I was born here, yep, which is kind of a big deal to people, for some reason, if you're Native Montana, and that's kind of different than if you moved here from somewhere else. I grew up about two hours from where we live right now. Okay, it's I. I love Montana, so people will get mad at me for talking about it, because people who are native Montanans don't want people to know that it's an awesome place

Scott Benner 6:59
to live. Wyoming has that problem too, because the Yellowstone TV show, right?

Pam 7:03
Yeah, and that's true, right, right? Montana as well. Yeah, yeah. It's become popular, especially since covid and a lot of people have decided this is where they want to live. So it's driven the housing prices, especially the town we live in. We live in one of the more expensive towns, thankfully, we purchased our home in 1999 long before

Scott Benner 7:25
all this happened. Well, you'll be able to sell it to an overpaid white lady at some point. That'll be nice at some point. Yeah, good for you, by the way, if you make a lot of money. I'm not judging you. I'm just trying to be funny. I don't, yeah, no, not you. I mean, lucky. I mean the people listening, Pam, like, if they're, yeah, like, if you're, like, Listen, if you, if you're wealthy, like, right on. I mean, you should send me money. I'm all right with you completely. Yeah. But that's what happens, right? It's, it's sort of oddly gentrifying, even though it's probably an already reasonably gentrified place, and somebody comes in who's just much more well off than the people living there, and they drive up the prices, down everything, and then people who live there can't afford anything.

Pam 8:05
Yeah, there's been a lot of a lot of tension around that issue,

Scott Benner 8:09
all this so they can go skiing and and do their marijuana in the mountains, yeah,

Pam 8:16
or something like that. Ma'am, I said

Scott Benner 8:17
do their marijuana to be funny, and you just were like, Yeah, that's what they're doing. They're up here smoking and spending their money.

Pam 8:23
It's legal now, and I can smell it when I'm out on my walk, so I know it's happening. Oh,

Scott Benner 8:27
my god, yeah, yeah. There are places you go for a walk in, like cities, and you're like, I'm gonna get high trying to get to the CVS, right? No kidding. So one of your adopted kids got type one?

Pam 8:40
Yeah? Yeah. So, yeah. We called the state, we let them know we were wanting to get put back on the list, and within six months, we had another phone call, newborn baby boy or girl. She was still in the hospital. She'd just been born, and her they were removing her and putting her in foster care because her parents had four kids before her that had been placed in foster care several months before she was born, and they were failing on their treatment plan, and so they placed her in foster care because it didn't look good. Well, they're

Scott Benner 9:12
prolific, yeah. So

Pam 9:15
they did have a unlike with our son, that was almost like with him, it was almost free and clear, like, here's your baby, you get to name him. Basically, he's yours. The birth birth mom did have 60 days that she could have changed her mind, but I I knew in my heart, like she had made a decision about what she was doing. But in the case with our daughter, they were given, you know, six months to work, a treatment plan. We had to take her to visits. They were in parenting classes, you know, doing different things to get her back, and unfortunately, they they failed pretty, pretty quickly. When she was six months old, they left town, basically. So what's

Scott Benner 9:50
that like for you and your husband and your family to you take her right with the hope in your heart that you can adopt her, but yeah, you can't. Come at it from that perspective for six months, because, I mean, you'd be a monster, right, like if you were actively cheering against the parents. I'm also imagining that as you have these visits, you're learning, I don't think this is a good place for this baby to be. So how do you walk that line between not wanting those people to fail and thinking it's probably better for her if they do. This episode of The juicebox podcast is sponsored by the Eversense CGM. Eversense cgm.com/juicebox, the Eversense CGM is the only long term CGM with six months of real time glucose readings, giving you more convenience, confidence and flexibility, and you didn't hear me wrong? I didn't say 14 days. I said six months. So if you're tired of changing your CGM sensor every week, you're tired of it falling off, or the adhesive not lasting as long as it should, or the sensor failing before the time is up. If you're tired of all that, you really owe it to yourself to try the Eversense CGM. Eversense cgm.com/juicebox, I'm here to tell you that if the hassle of changing your sensors multiple times a month is just more than you want to deal with, if you're tired of things falling off and not sticking, or sticking too much, or having to carry around a whole bunch of extra supplies in case something does fall off, then taking a few minutes to check out Eversense. Cgm.com/juicebox, might be the right thing for you. When you use my link, you're supporting the production of the podcast and helping to keep it free and plentiful ever since cgm.com/juicebox from the very beginning, your kids mean everything to you. That means you do anything for them, especially if they're at risk. So when it comes to type one diabetes screen, it like you mean it. Now up to 90% of type one diagnosis have no family history, but if you have a family history, you are up to 15 times more likely to develop type one screen it like you mean it, because type one diabetes can develop at any age, and once you get results, you can get prepared for your child's future. So screen it like you mean it type one starts long before there are symptoms, but one blood test could help you spot it early before they need insulin, and could lower the risk of serious complications like diabetic ketoacidosis or DKA. Talk to your doctor about how to screen for type one diabetes, because the more you know, the more you can do. So don't wait tap now or visit screened for type one.com to learn more. Again, that's screenfortypeone.com and screen it like you mean it. Yeah,

Pam 12:58
that's exactly how you feel. You feel conflicted inside, because one part of you is grieving for these parents that have not lost their fifth child and they just can't seem to get it together, hold a job, have any kind of stability either. You know other things you've heard about, neglect that's happened with other kids and stuff like that. You just it was hard. It was very hard. I felt very protective of her right from the start. So I don't think I was a very good foster parent. I have friends that have done a lot of foster care, and they're really good at it, like, they're good at communicating with the birth parents. They're good at, you know, that process of reuniting. And I wasn't, honestly, like, really very good. I was, like, really concerned.

Scott Benner 13:40
Was it conscious? Pam, or was it just maybe subconscious, from your desire to have the right thing happen? I

Pam 13:47
think it was from my desire to have the right thing happen. I was, I was consciously very protective of her. Okay? It was hard. She when she was born, she was sick, like she had this congestion that wouldn't clear up. And when she was four months old, she had to go on my antibiotic, and that cleared it up. And we don't know what caused that, but she, right away, at like, five months old, started with wheezing and was diagnosed with asthma, actually. So even when she wasn't sick, she was wheezing and she had pretty severe asthma. So and then I don't all of her health issues, like, right off the bat, contributed to me being nervous about her going back into a neglect because I'm like, they were both smokers. She has really severe asthma, all these things going on. I just

Scott Benner 14:33
was the mother, like, high or drunk during the pregnancy. Do you think they said that?

Pam 14:39
They didn't think so, other than probably some prescription drug use, is what I was told from the social worker. So much alcohol or recreational drugs, but like prescription

Scott Benner 14:51
drugs. Okay, how old is she when she's diagnosed with type one? Just three years ago? Yeah, 15, three years ago, before we get. To that, I'd like to ask, how much of her birth parents reality Do you share with her, and do you spread it out over time? Do you drop it all like a novel? How do you do it?

Pam 15:12
Yeah, great question. So both of our adopted kids from before they could talk, we would talk to them and like at their age level, what we felt like they could understand like, you know, you were, you were in another mommy's tummy, and then, you know, whatever, like wherever their age level was, both of them, when they were around eight and 10 years old, had just this flood of questions that was coming out of both of them constantly, and I, I always answered them honestly with whatever question that they had. So we've we've always been pretty open about

Scott Benner 15:47
it. So it's fair to say, your daughter knows that her parents were like addicted and had given up a number of children. Has she ever gone to look for siblings? Yep, she just recently found them. Is that something you're comfortable talking about, or do you feel more like that's your story? Yeah. Those? Yeah,

Pam 16:03
I think it's really I think it's very interesting. It's interesting how they're different, yeah, how

Scott Benner 16:08
so? Well, like my

Pam 16:10
son, he had questions, and at one point he was like, Can I picture? You know, because at first, his birth mom was anonymous to the court, but then our local newspaper did a story about him when he was a year old, and then she wanted to meet us. So her and I do have kind, not like a close relationship, but we're friends on social media, like I know who she is, and we've met a few times, so it would be an easy thing for me to introduce him to her, but he's just had less curiosity other than, what does she look like? You know, just kind of more general questions. But for him, it hasn't been that like making I need to know. But with my daughter, I think she's had that her whole life, even like, you know, when she was 13, she went through the whole I'm gonna run away and go live with my birth family phase and all of that. But the week she turned 18, she was absolutely determined to figure it out, and she kind of did it on her own. She just got on social media and like found, found her older birth sibling on Facebook and sent her a message. She said, I think I'm your sister. And they started communicating, and she is her older birth sister, so that opened up the door to her, connecting with her, both her birth mom and dad, who are no longer married, but they're still living and then other siblings. So did

Scott Benner 17:30
they ever pull themselves together? They are divorced,

Pam 17:33
which, in my mind, is kind of actually positive for them, because from the sounds of it, he's abusive, okay, and so I do think that she's better. Like she had two more kids, the older one after my daughter is adopted, she ended up in foster care and being adopted by a family. But now she has, like, an eight year old that she's actually raising, and she's living with her mother. It sounds like she's got support, and she's sober and, yeah, wow. Long story, good to learn. Yeah, that's

Scott Benner 18:03
it's a long she had seven children before she kept one of them. Is that right? 4566,

Pam 18:10
before she kept one. Yeah,

Scott Benner 18:12
I got that right? Look at me. Yeah. People who say I don't pay attention, I listen. Actually. Nobody says I don't pay attention. I I'm worried that I'm not listening, like, well, I'm trying so hard to listen to you and to think about where I want to go with the conversation. At the same time, sometimes I'm worried I'm not listening. Okay, so you told her, because I've been I'm adopted. You might know that from Yeah, listening. I've known I'm adopted for as long as I can recall. I've never, not known. I have never once had a feeling of like, Oh, I gotta go find these people. My wife made me for like, you know, medical background stuff made me that doesn't sound right, but it's accurate. Okay? It doesn't sound right, but it's an accurate assessment of what happened. Yep, she made me do it. It's never what you're hoping it's never like, Oh, my birth mom probably just didn't have enough time between being like, you know, the Princess of Wales and her other philanthropic endeavors to take care of me like it doesn't usually work out like that, and mine certainly didn't either. Once I got the information that Kelly wanted, I was like, I am no interest in this. And as a matter of fact, I will frequently forget my mom, my birth mother's name, like I have trouble. I have trouble recalling it when I need it sometimes. Yeah, it just is. I couldn't possibly and I'm so sorry for her, even though she's passed, but it couldn't possibly make less. I don't know. I don't care. I it's, and it's not out of animosity or anything like that. I just, I feel like I've had a full life with the people who raised me and my brothers and, you know, and everything else. Yeah, I'm not looking for a hanger on or whatever it would end up being. So she gets type one. Do we have the ability to go to the family and say, Hey, is there any of this? Is in your family line, or you can't really reach out like that, right? The contour next gen blood glucose meter is the meter that we use here. Arden has one with her at all times. I have one downstairs in the kitchen, just in case I want to check my blood sugar. And Arden has them at school. They're everywhere that she is. Contour, next.com/juice, box, test strips and the meters themselves may be less expensive for you, in cash out of your pocket, than you're paying currently through your insurance. For another meter. You can find out about that and much more at my link. Contour next.com/juice, box. Contour makes a number of fantastic and accurate meters, and their second chance test strips are absolutely my favorite part. What does that mean, if you go to get some blood, and maybe you touch it, and, I don't know, stumble with your hand and, like, slip off and go back, it doesn't impact the quality or accuracy of the test so you can hit the blood, not get enough, come back, get the rest without impacting the accuracy of the test. That's right, you can touch the blood, come back and get the rest, and you're going to get an absolutely accurate test. I think that's important, because we all stumble and fumble at times. That's not a good reason to have to waste a test trip. And with the contour next gen, you won't have to contour next.com forward slash juice box, you're going to get a great reading without having to be perfect. Not

Pam 21:31
until recently. I mean, I had no idea how to find them. I guess I could have done the social media thing too, and I we actually did every once while we, you know, try to find them on social media, but not until she just found them. And she did ask, and it sounds like there was some on her birth father's side with his parents. I think one of them is type one. There was, like, a couple people on his side of the family

Scott Benner 21:58
that had that had one, had type one. So you got that at least, yeah, what was her diagnosis like? How did you begin to notice it and and what did you guys do?

Pam 22:08
So she was sick for about three months with the sinus infection that we just could not cure. She could not get over it. We'd go to the doctor. She'd take an antibiotic. A couple weeks later, we'd be back at the doctor again, and I kept thinking, what going on? Like, why can we not get rid of the sinus infection? And then her her doctor finally referred her to an ENT, and they did a CAT scan, and of course, her sinuses are all clogged up, and they said she needed to have sinus surgery. So the ENT prescribed a steroid, put her on prednisone, and another antibiotic, which at this point, I think, was the fifth antibiotic that she'd been on. And I told her, I warned her, she's got ADHD as well. I've been on prednisone, and it usually, like, really gets you wired, like you can't sleep. You've got all this energy. And so I was telling her, you're probably going to be like, full of energy, and she's texting me from school, I can't stay awake. I'm falling asleep. And so one night, we were just sitting around the dinner table, and it was actually kind of fun, because my son and his wife just stopped in, which is not something they do very often, usually when we get together, like planned, and they just been out for a bike ride and stopped by and and my daughter's laying on the couch, and she's like, little tears are just coming down her cheek, and her lips are kind of turning blue, and I'm like, she couldn't, like, she didn't have a lot of air coming out, like, she couldn't really talk. And I thought, oh my gosh, she's having an anaphylactic reaction to this antibiotic. So I called 911, I think, or the nurse, I can't remember which I think I called the nurse first, and she said, can she say your name really clearly? Can she say mom with air? And I said, No, she's really not able to do that. She said, Hang up. Call 911, call the EMTs with

Scott Benner 23:54
that. I just said, Geez, it made me sad for a second. What you said? Yeah, it just hit me, I'm sorry,

Pam 23:59
yeah, yeah. Yeah. So the EMTs come in, they check her out. She kind of started to perk up, like she she was okay. Your oxygen was okay. So they said, It's all right. If you take her, you know, you can take her up to the emergency room. She doesn't need to go in the ambulance. So I took her up. They treated her for anaphylaxis, although I would say that your doctor, he was a little stump. He said, I think it probably is an effect, like, I don't know what else it could be. So she's getting pumped full of epinephrine, more steroids. We didn't leave the ER until two o'clock in the morning, and that might, and probably maybe for a few days prior, I did notice she was drinking a lot of water. And normally I have to bug her about drinking water, and she kept handing me her mug to go fill up with ice and more water. And I'm like, Man, she's really been dropping weight. And got discharged at two o'clock in the morning. Went to the only pharmacy that was still open at that time, we had 124 hour pharmacy, and picked up a EpiPen. Got home, and they said, follow up with your primary care. Pediatrician tomorrow, right? I called to make that appointment. I was actually kind of waffling, like I'm so tired, we've just been up all night, like, could we wait a couple days? But I had like, that nagging feeling like we need to go in today and follow up with this. And I jokingly said to my daughter before we left the house, I said, I'm going to get you tested for diabetes, cystic fibrosis. Something is wrong here. This isn't just

Scott Benner 25:22
you picked all the crazy things you could think of to, like, blur out. Like, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 25:27
yeah. And poor child,

Scott Benner 25:30
maybe she thought you knew something. Later she's like, Oh, that lady was onto something, yeah.

Pam 25:34
Now she credits me for her diagnosis over the doctor, which I do appreciate, because I just think I'm I was more like the instigator of it.

Scott Benner 25:41
So did you just wander in there and just randomly say a bunch of stuff out loud?

Pam 25:47
Well, we were talking about the allergic reaction she had to this antibiotic, and, you know, do we need to see an allergist? And blah, blah, blah, but I said at the start of the appointment, I said, I have noticed she's been drinking a lot of water and dropping weight. And the doctor looked at her chart, she's like, Oh, she's lost 20 pounds in like, the last two months, right? And so she said, we'll do a finger prick before you leave. So the pediatrician leaves, sends in the nurse to do the finger prick, and she does her finger prick, and her jaw just drops open. And I go, what is it? And she said, it's 595 with their blood sugar.

Scott Benner 26:21
You knew what that meant. Yeah. Okay, yeah.

Pam 26:25
I looked at my daughter, and I said, it's not your fault. Like I just felt like you just needed to know that right away, isn't your fault. I texted my husband, I said, I think Emma's got diabetes. They just tested her blood sugar, and so the PD Christian came, came back in, and she just opens the door and she goes, you have diabetes. She was like, almost laughing, like, I know it wasn't funny to her, but she knew everything we just been through for the last three months of like she was scheduled. This was a day, was, I think it was a Thursday. She was scheduled for sinus surgery on Tuesday, so we were just a few days out from having sinus surgery,

Scott Benner 27:01
completely unnecessary surgery, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

Pam 27:05
the pediatrician goes cancel surgery. That isn't the issue. This has been the problem all along. This is why she hasn't been able to clear this infection. You know, you're going to be admitted. We've got to send you back to the ER, and that that made my daughter freak out, because she had just been in the ER the night before till two o'clock in the morning, IVs and all this stuff. And she just did not want to have to go back to the ER again, second day in a row.

Scott Benner 27:29
So your doctor, the doctor, was just like, probably happy to find the answer, but yeah, but it came off a little bit like, hey, oh my god, guys, guess what?

Pam 27:39
Right? Yeah, she's a wonderful doctor. My thought My daughter loves her, but yeah, I was kind of, she was like, some kind of an adrenaline right from that, I think, like, you had diabetes, yeah.

Scott Benner 27:50
Also, what a bummer about the steroids not given. I've never felt better in my life than I when I'm on prednisone. I know I feel like super But although I say that to my wife, and she's like, I don't feel like that in the times I've taken it, huh? But, my God, it makes me feel like I could, like, walk through a wall. Yeah, it really does. Yeah. I

Pam 28:08
mean me too. Yeah. Not okay.

Scott Benner 28:11
So once you get her to the hospital and things get straightened out and everything, it's only three years ago, how do they start her care?

Pam 28:18
So they kept her overnight and just, you know, fully brought her blood sugar down. And then they discharged her that morning we had and then we had to get to another town, which is two hours from where we live, right away to do orientation, because that, well, I think it was a Friday, but then that doctor was going out of town or something, to include the only pediatric endocrinologist like in our area, so they really wanted to get her out of the hospital. We get on the road. So we had a pretty another pretty sleepless night, and then hit the road early in the morning, got to Billings, and spent a whole day with the team and billings doing that orientation, which was fantastic. Honestly, it was really good, especially from listening to the podcast and hearing other people's experiences. I'm really grateful, like, we got really good information right off the bat.

Scott Benner 29:05
How much of this story is about things not being close to where you're going? Like, because there's a lot of driving to get from place to place. Initially,

Pam 29:14
she was the only pediatric endo in our area for I think we did two or three endo visits there that were, you know, at her every three month visit. And then we did get an endocrinologist in our town. Now, okay, which is really nice, so we don't have to travel anymore. I

Scott Benner 29:30
have to tell you, this will be a bit of a left turn for a second, but I've been approached about doing an event out there next year.

Pam 29:37
Yeah, yeah, I

Scott Benner 29:38
saw that. I'm super I really hope it happens like and I want to say that I think it will. And the person that approached me is a rock solid person, so I think it could happen. But if things go well, maybe six months after this comes out, or maybe the summer after your episode comes out, there's going to be like a juicebox podcast event, like a few. Day event out in the Montana area, where, if all goes to my planning, it'll be myself, Jenny Erica, maybe, you know, and we're gonna put on an event for people with diabetes that last couple days. It'll be great. You'll love it, yeah, love it here. And then I'll stay and ruin the place like everybody else who comes and poaches your wonderful land actually, let me be clear, the minute it snows, I'd run out of there like a baby. So that will happen, yeah, unless I'm in the financial position to be a snowbird. I'm not living in Montana, because I'd have to get the hell out of there very quickly.

Pam 30:38
That is the safeguard that we have. It definitely keeps some people away, for sure. Well,

Scott Benner 30:42
it keep me away, don't you worry. It would have kept me it would have kept me away, if you if any number of reasons, like, Are there snakes?

Pam 30:47
Oh yeah, yeah,

Scott Benner 30:48
are there rattlesnakes?

Pam 30:50
There's rattlesnakes? Oh

Scott Benner 30:51
yeah, I don't live there town, but yeah, how do you know I don't live there? Then that's that. Okay. There

Pam 30:56
was a black bear that wandered through my son's High School. It's freshman year in the morning before school started, through

Scott Benner 31:01
the building. Yeah, yeah. See, you don't gotta worry about me. I'm good. I'd much rather be killed by urban blight than a black bear. In case you're wondering,

Pam 31:13
I could tell you all the amazing things too. Oh, my people live here at the other side of that. Yeah,

Scott Benner 31:19
go ahead and tell me that, and then say rattlesnake afterwards and see if I don't just leave. So I'll just watch Yellowstone. Thank you. Unless Kevin Costner ruins it.

Pam 31:29
Have you read that's no what? Oh,

Scott Benner 31:33
he got into a fight with the Creator or something. I think they're gonna ruin the whole show over it. Oh, that's not so great. Come on, Costner, we're all having fun here. You know what I mean? Oh, it's a lot. I know he's old, but it can't be that goddamn hard to make Yellowstone. Can it like he just sits on a porch, it looks like, and says under a gravelly voice every once in a while, and they're paying him like I'll do that if he can't. I don't think I'd be as good at it. I'm not quite as handsome as Kevin Costner is, but not the point. If he ruins this show, I'm gonna be really pissed. Yeah, yeah, I'm enjoying it. He's

Unknown Speaker 32:07
interesting. He's

Scott Benner 32:07
interesting. He's I don't know who he is. All I know is he got all, like, uppity, and then they got uppity back with him. The next thing you know, two rich people are pissing at each other, and I'm like, just make the goddamn TV show so I can watch it and stop trying to live my life over here. I can't be worried about Kevin Costner's problems, but here, but I was for days. For days, I'm walking around telling people is cost they're gonna mess this TV show up for me. And I don't know, I got very upset. Obviously, you should tell but my plan is to come out, do the event, and then spend a few days and actually go see the park and stuff like that. Oh, do yeah for sure. Yeah. I'm gonna try to make a thing out of it and then get the hell out of there before it gets too hot. Yeah? As most lovely places are either too hot or too cold, yours gets both things. Is that correct?

Pam 32:55
Yeah, yeah. This winter was pretty mild compared to last year. Actually, it really wasn't well for my scale. It wasn't too bad,

Scott Benner 33:04
just a few feet as well.

Pam 33:07
I don't think we had that much, I mean, over the whole winter, yeah, but we never had like, these big dumps like we did last year. In the summer. Is where we live. It does get warm, but we're in the mountain, so it really cools off at night, like we don't have air conditioning. We live in a condo. We don't need air

Scott Benner 33:23
you don't have air conditioning now is this, you don't have air conditioning, like those hippies in Vermont who need air conditioning but don't have it, or you actually don't need it.

Pam 33:32
We don't need it. There's usually about a week or two in the summer where I'm like, I wish we had air conditioning, but we got some fans, and that's about it. Yeah. I mean, it cools off to the 40s,

Scott Benner 33:43
okay. Oh, okay, all right, that's fine. You people in Vermont are out of your minds. I don't know what hippy dippy you're doing over there, but it's hot there, and you need air conditioning, and none of them have it. It's very upsetting. I went to Vermont once. It'll never happen again. Yeah, that's right, well, at least not in the Well, who am I to lie in time? I wouldn't go in the winter because the snow. I can't go in the summer because there's no air conditioning. I mean, there's probably two months in the spring I could deal with Vermont, which was, by the way, lovely, except for its lack of ability to condition the air. This is neither here nor there. I'm sorry I've gotten this off of track. Interesting. Pam likes the podcast, so I'm comfortable rambling to her, because I know she enjoys it. Yeah, when your daughter, Emma, right? Yeah, when she's diagnosed, is she rocked? Does she bounce back quickly? Like, what's, what are those first few months? Like,

Pam 34:35
she bounced back really fast. She had a great attitude right out the gate. You know, she just understood insulin is a life saver and I need it. She had no no shame, like, no embarrassment at all. Going to school. We were MDI for a few months from our choice, like, just took us a while to decide on a pump and all of that. She really had a fantastic attitude. Me for the first few months, and then, and I knew it, you know, I'm like, one of these days, this is gonna really hit her, actually, and it's a lifelong condition, and it's not going away. So, yeah,

Scott Benner 35:13
so after that, initial like, I got this feeling, goes away. Then what happened? What happened after that? Oh, I

Pam 35:21
don't know. It's been three years. I mean, the first year was rough. We were on the dash. I was listening to the podcast, you know, being bold with insulin. And which was good. She had a she had a pretty long honeymoon period too, which was actually both kind of nice and also a pain in the butt. You just don't know your insulin needs, yeah, off the bat, but just just diabetes, you know, just highs and lows and losing sleep and pumps failing and CGMS failing, and it's exhausting. It's just an exhausting disease. And I think with her ADHD as well, you know, just brought on a lot of mental fatigue and and stuff like that. I don't know if it was in the first year the second I think it was the second year. Last year she she really did have some, like, real mental health issues. She's doing a lot better now. She struggled last year a lot. She started having a lot of anxiety, which we were like, is this something to do with her ADHD and the medication she's on? Can can have the side effect of having anxiety? So she got prescribed antidepressant, which made her completely suicidal.

Scott Benner 36:36
Did she have, like, did she have actual ideation

Pam 36:40
only for a day, and thankfully, she was texting me. I mean, she was completely like, not hiding it at all, like, I just want overdose on insulin. You know, it was like this one day where she was like, I just want to kill myself. Okay? And I thought, I don't think this medication,

Scott Benner 36:55
we might want to stop this one, yeah, I don't think this

Pam 36:58
is good. So we called the doctor who then called a psychiatrist for some consult and then let us know, oh, turns out that this particular antidepressant mixed with her ADHD medication can make Heidel

Scott Benner 37:12
like, really, no one brought that up. Yeah,

Pam 37:16
too bad we didn't know that before. We just Well, isn't that?

Scott Benner 37:20
I believe that's what pharmacists are supposed to do. They're supposed to look for like drug interactions. That

Pam 37:26
would have been nice. I don't know. It just, it just got missed under the radar. So so we were in that process for a few months. At this point now, she's she's not on any antidepressants. We just lowered her dose of her her five answers, what she takes for ADHD, and that has created like she's fine, like she's not having overwhelming anxiety. And the other thing we did this is her senior year. Right now, she's going to graduate here in like 42 days. My husband's been counting out the days we the first semester of the school year, we really limited how many hours she could work. She was working a lot last year as well. I think that was contributing to some of the mental fatigue of school, working a job, diabetes. Yeah, it was just all too much. So we kind of put up a little bit more of a boundary this year for her, and she's really bounced back, and she's doing pretty good. Not

Scott Benner 38:22
that there's anything wrong with this, but why was she working so much? She's saving for something, or she's kind

Pam 38:27
of a workaholic. Maybe, I don't know she's she's just a worker, and I've known that her whole life. I think that's part of how our ADHD manifests. She just likes to be busy. She likes to have something to do. She likes to make money. So it was, some of it was just her drive, and then, like, everywhere, everybody's short staffed, so she wouldn't be scheduled, but then she'd get called in, and then she's picking up extra shifts, and just kind of snowballed. So we kind of had to, she had to quit that job, actually, because that wasn't going to get any better.

Scott Benner 38:59
Okay, now, like, beyond all that, like, today, where would you say she's at, like, with her management, her outcomes, her how she feels about the whole thing.

Pam 39:07
I mean, she still has some maturing and some growth. For sure, she's not, I don't, I'm not concerned, like, I don't feel like she's in a really unhealthy place. But she definitely is still, you know, she'll jokingly say pretty often, like, I quit. You know, the other day she tried handing me her teeth slim. She's like, you can just throw this in the garbage, you know,

Scott Benner 39:25
I'm done. I'm done with the kidding, yeah, it's good. It's over.

Pam 39:30
Yeah. She was recently to also diagnosed with PCOS, and that's a pain in the butt, because that's like having insulin resistance and type one, and

Scott Benner 39:41
that's it. Martin's managing that with um, with the GLP medication,

Pam 39:46
yeah. So we just had our third shot of ozempic, oh, a week ago, and she was in the ER this week. I don't think it's gonna work. Why? What happened? Got really sick. Just. Really bad nausea and stomach pain and vomiting, and how

Scott Benner 40:04
much omic Was she taking? The lowest dose, point two, five, did they talk to you about trying manjarno instead?

Pam 40:14
Not yet. I just sent the endoa an email yesterday and said, We're stopping this. It's not it's not working.

Scott Benner 40:21
A lot of the side effects from ozempic don't seem to exist as much with manjarno. Oh,

Pam 40:26
that's good to know.

Scott Benner 40:27
Yeah, I'm sorry that that was she seeing, like, less insulin need.

Pam 40:32
Yeah? Definitely. I mean, we were having some kind of serious hypos, actually, but we were kind of prepared for that. Yeah, we had a way cut down even just in three weeks. We cut down her insulin quite a bit, but she was also nauseous and not really eating.

Scott Benner 40:46
So as soon as she shot it, she felt nauseous, but then nausea didn't pass.

Pam 40:51
It did not pass. Okay, yeah, yeah. And this last week was worse, like it's supposed to kind of level off and kind of get better. And it got worse. We were in the ER Friday for fluids because she just was so sick. Oh,

Scott Benner 41:03
I'm sorry. No, that sucks. Yeah, no. I mean, listen, I don't know if Manjaro would be better. Manjaro, Manjaro, there's no N in there, right? Manjaro. I don't know who care, who cares, but I have heard, I mean, my doctor even said, you know, there's fewer side effects that I'm seeing with my patients with this to that that's good to know. Yeah, I don't know if she's up for trying it one more time or not, but maybe after she feels a little better, because you could she has a break. Yeah? So who knows, but I'm sorry, because it's can be so valuable for the insulin resistance that comes with PCOS and some of the other side effects.

Pam 41:40
Yeah, I was really hopeful, because she's not big on, like, like, with metformin. She just, she doesn't like to take pills every day. You know, that also kind of made her nauseous. She she did put on some weight in the last year. So there's just a lot of things. I thought, Man, this OmniPod could be like the magic ticket here. It's only one shot a week. Yeah,

Scott Benner 41:59
well, I don't know, it still maybe just might have had the wrong one. I'm so sorry, teller, I'm sorry. I wish that would have gone better, because it's working for so so many different people, honestly, you know, that sucks, yeah, because the Metformin also could be an answer, and you need to find an answer, because the PCOS will be like, it's a lifelong struggle. You know, it's finding something that battles with it would be really valuable for Yeah, so she took it, she felt nauseous, and then she ate, and she'd vomit, yep,

Pam 42:35
she'd throw up what she ate, or she just wouldn't eat. And then, of course, she wouldn't drink a lot because she was so nauseous. She felt like, if I drink, I'm gonna puke. I had a couple scary lows. One of them, I was actually out of town. It was quite frightening. She got really low in the middle of the night. And the job that she has right now, we've been kind of trying to figure out her management with that, because she started a job as a caretaker. So she's doing like, 15,000 steps at work, and she was having these adrenaline highs, and then these crashes in the middle of the night, and we've switched to activity mode, and that seems to work, if we haven't been having as many severe loads at night, thankfully. But this one night we were we were gone out of town for a wedding, and she was home, and I was on the phone with her, of course, through the whole thing, but she was having a really hard time getting the carbs to get back up with how nauseous she was. And she said, I need to go the bathroom. Just I'm gonna leave the phone here and I'll be right back. And it took a while for her to come back. I was starting to get nervous, and she came back and she said, I just puked. And I was like, Oh man, yeah,

Scott Benner 43:45
we need the carbs in, not out. Yeah, we gotta get

Pam 43:49
we gotta take care of this. So a friend came over. A friend came over. It was two in the morning. That's her boyfriend, actually, but he saved her life, I think, because she needed help at that point, I think you got her bowl ice cream, and I don't know, oh no, I know what it was. I said, Go fill a bowl with some sugar, just straight sugar, and have her lick her finger and rub the sugar on her cheek. Yeah, just, it just needs the sugar. And that's what they did. So

Scott Benner 44:16
wow, my gosh, yeah, I would stop using those epic too. That that's not, yeah, that's enough of that. Yeah, oh gosh, I don't know, like I said, I don't know if the other one would be more valuable for or not. But if not, I'm sorry, and I hope something else. There's other stuff being developed. There's pills, they're, they're, they're working on, and, like, all different kinds of ideas around this. You know, the impacts that you're getting from GLP. So hopefully they'll find a way to help people who are, you know, reacting poorly to the injection at this point.

Pam 44:48
Gotta get better. Yeah? Because even when we went to the ER, they weren't too surprised. And I almost felt like both the doctor and the nurse were kind of like, Are you sure you want her on this drug right now? Like we're. Seeing a lot of this here in the ER. And,

Scott Benner 45:01
you know, it sucks, because obviously, I wouldn't want that to happen to you or anybody else, or her, but at the same time, you know, we're seeing a lot of this in the ER, right now, yeah, of course you are. You're the ER. So that's where people who are having trouble go, right? Are you seeing any of the people who are thriving on it? No, oh, yeah, interesting. Like, it's, it's, it's almost like, when they like, oh, there's been, I actually heard, I heard somebody say the other day, we had to, like, had to fact check her online. But she said something like, you know, 42% of people who got covid got type one diabetes. And I was like, that's not right at all. You made that up. The person goes, no, no, a doctor told me. And I'm like, Well, maybe a doctor said 42% of the people that they, I don't know, that have diabetes, have had covid. Like half the people who got covid Didn't get type one diabetes. Or there'd be, right, there'd be hundreds of millions of people running, yeah, like, you know, you know, there's like, 1.8 million people with type one diabetes in America. And, I mean, between me and you, I don't know how many people had covid, but I bet you it was more than 4 million.

Pam 46:13
I'm not great at math.

Scott Benner 46:16
My thinker, don't think about math great. But that sounds wrong. Yeah. It just, it's funny how people respond to, well, I'm seeing a lot of and I'm like, Oh yeah, you do see a lot of trash. You're the trash man. Like, like, it's, you know, interesting. People are throwing this stuff away constantly. Okay? Like, anyway,

Pam 46:35
yeah, she's, she's definitely gonna need something, her insulin needs before this were tremendous. And she had, she did just have knee surgery as well, before we started the ozempic, and after the knee surgery, she was going through 200 units of insulin a day.

Scott Benner 46:50
Holy hell. So aside from the problem she had, what was her decrease like on the ozempic? I know it didn't work for it, but what insulin decrease did she see?

Pam 46:59
Well, she's on T slim So, and I still have not yet quite figured out how to get in there and look at what's happening with her basal rates and all of that. But we did have to switch her pretty much 24/7 into activity mode. Otherwise she was really going low. And then,

Scott Benner 47:18
yeah, so you think you haven't learned how to get into the T slim settings yet, but

Pam 47:23
we she has been been running it in activity mode most of the time since starting the ozempic, just to not have those hypos. And then we did finally get in there and edit it a few days ago, and I think she said she was at three units an hour, and we bumped it down to 1.5 See,

Scott Benner 47:39
that's so significant. So that's a lot, yeah, and it would have been more as she moved on with it, too. Very likely, does she have weight to lose? Yeah, yeah. So her weight would have come down, her needs would have dropped farther. Hey, listen again. I know she's been through a thing, and I it very well might not be the answer, but I don't know if it was my kid and this happened to her, I'd be like, take a breath. Then we're gonna try, like, something else. Manjarno, if it doesn't work, fair enough, but like, let's give it a whirl, because look at what it's I mean, honestly, like, three units an hour is, I mean, she's going to end up in a situation where, you know, at the very least, that's it just looks like she has insulin resistance, probably from the PCOS. Oh, for sure, yeah. You just want that alleviated. It's going to be a lifetime of of a hassle, if not. So I'm sorry. Why can't everything be easy? I know, but you're probably getting your unfair share of beauty in Montana, and therefore the world is trying to take back from you. Yeah, to balance things out a little bit.

Pam 48:51
Yeah. A few months ago, my sister, who I love, she's 14 years older than me, she was visiting us, and she's looking she goes, You guys have had such a charmed life. And at first I thought, we can't we have, you know, like, that's, that's the nice thought. And then the more I think about it, like, I don't think she's seen the whole picture here, actually. I mean, it's not horrible, but like, there's been some rough things, like some really hard

Scott Benner 49:19
stuff. Yeah, I think everybody has stuff, and then other people's stuff always looks like easier than your stuff. So you're like, Oh, you've got it easy. I like, what is your like? If you thought about it, if you asked your sister to line up her complaints, do you know what they would I'm not asking you what they are, but do you know what they would be? Well, I don't think

Pam 49:40
they'd be complaints necessarily. I think they'd be more like things that she sees as you know, we've had this we live in this nice town, we've got these nice kids, we've got a good marriage, I don't know, maybe something along those lines, yeah, and

Scott Benner 49:54
she's and her stuff doesn't match up with the things that are working out for you. Maybe not. You. You don't know her kids robbing banks or anything like that.

Pam 50:03
No,

Scott Benner 50:04
not you probably pretty good kid. If I tried to rob a bank in Montana, I'd get shot, right? Oh,

Pam 50:11
yeah, probably somebody else in the bank, carry

Scott Benner 50:16
someone in the bank, would definitely shoot me. They'd be like, Oh, finally, I'm gonna get to use this gun.

Pam 50:20
We're not carrying it. It's out in there, in the parking lot, in their truck. So I'm gonna

Scott Benner 50:25
have a person look at me and go wait here. I've been waiting for this. Just please keep robbing the bank. I'll be right back.

Pam 50:32
Yep, I gotcha definitely

Scott Benner 50:36
at Mr. Time. Hold on a second. I've got I don't even know which gun to pull out. I have somebody in my truck. Give me a second. Do you go hunting? Do you have you ever, like, targeted a deer for extinction? Yep, yeah, sure how. I've never, I never. It sounds like so

Pam 50:54
cold. It's exhilarating. I hope I don't get much. Eight emails now.

Scott Benner 50:58
Oh, tell me why. What's exhilarating about, like, hunting down something and snuffing out its life, or what do

Pam 51:03
you Yeah, I don't know. There's just something I don't know, like you're foraging your own food. I don't know. It's a thrill. It's different than going the grocery store and picking up a pound of hamburger. You know, if you went out and you you, you had to hunt it like you had to sneak up on it. You had to aim correctly. I've I've shot three deer. That's how many I've harvested. My friend that I used to hunt with moved out of state, and I really haven't had time to figure out how to do it without her, but I really enjoyed the times I got to do it.

Scott Benner 51:34
Just you two ladies out there looking for deer together. Yep, yeah, nice. Did you teach your kids how to hunt.

Pam 51:40
We tried. We took him through hunter safety. The interest hasn't been too high. My youngest son, he came out to the truck and saw the deer, the last deer I shot, and he burst into tears. He's just a soft hearted animal loving you know he's not, he's not gonna hunt. There's no way he's not hunting. My college then he likes to fish, and his friends are hunters. He's got a roommate that bird hunts a lot, but I don't know.

Scott Benner 52:07
Have you heard that story ever? My son, when he was recruiting for college baseball, one of the teams tried to, like, entice him by saying, we all go on a hunting trip together. And my kid got off the phone. He's like, I gotta shoot something to play baseball. I'm not doing it. I'm like, okay, he's not his school. He's like, That's not for me. And I was like, gotcha. He goes, Can you believe he tried to, like, make that out, like it was, like, a selling point. And I was like, Well, to some people, it probably would be, where does your son play ball? Community

Pam 52:31
College in Washington. Walla. Walla, community college. I

Scott Benner 52:35
know that one, actually. And what year is he enjoying it? Yeah,

Pam 52:39
he's a sophomore, so he's had an interesting journey as well. He broke his hook a hammy his senior year, playing, but we didn't know it was broken. They did X ray and didn't see it, so he played on a broken handle his senior year, and that was when he got recruited and all of that. And then right before he left for college, we found out he needed surgery. Had already signed and everything with the school. So the coach was very understanding, and he healed up and was, you know, training during the winter, getting ready for spring. And he's a butchered and he's like, I don't know if I'm a hypochondriac, but my left hand is starting to feel the same way my right hand felt when I broke my hook of handmade bone. Sure enough, he had broken the left one.

Scott Benner 53:21
Oh, Pam, that's a terrible baseball injury to have. Yeah, the hammer bones are really bad injury to have. And he did heal from the first one, but now he had to have one in the other hand. Yeah.

Pam 53:32
So he medical red shirted his freshman year, completely came home last summer, worked hard. We've got a nice facility or he could train at, and got back to school, was so excited to be able to play this year. He has, he's seen some innings. It's very competitive, as you know, even at the GPO level, like he's fighting for third base with, you know, five other kids, and he didn't perform great in a couple games. And he's kind of invention. Now he's having some weird health issue,

Scott Benner 54:04
really? Oh yeah, that kid gets diabetes. I'd give up if I was you, yeah, and I would call my sister and be like, I want an apology right now for what you said to me. What health issues is he experiencing?

Pam 54:18
Well, I don't know if it's all connected. He's had chronic hives for, like, a couple years, and we've seen an allergist for that, and he said it just happened. Take an allergy pill every day. Eventually it'll go away, and I think we need to go back and and see that doctor again, because it's not

Scott Benner 54:33
you heard how that happened to my son, right? No, no, it ended up being thyroid. Okay?

Pam 54:39
He had chronic hives, like his skin, like, if he scratches the skinny gets well, and then they just stay there.

Scott Benner 54:46
Coal would break out if his body warmed up.

Pam 54:48
Oh, I do remember hearing Yeah,

Scott Benner 54:51
and then we it ended up being a thyroid.

Pam 54:55
So this is all day long, every day, like, not no matter what or whatever, but it's. Who knows? I think there's some mystery thing. But the last couple weeks, he's been throwing that bile, which is quite odd. So he he went to urgent care. They ran a bunch of tests, everything came back negative. And so now we're like, we need to progress and see a doctor. So the trainer is trying to get him in with the team doctor, who apparently sees every athlete in Walla, walla for two schools, and it's been, like, three days we haven't heard from him. So I texted him last night because I think you just need to go back to urgent care today, and

Scott Benner 55:28
if they pull blood again for me, ask for a like, a thyroid panel. Yeah, not a big deal. Just tell them you heard it somewhere, and it's not a big deal. Just run it, just because if his TSH is high, you might have an answer there. The Chronic queue to carry is tough, like, you know, because every doctor says the same thing. We don't know why that happens. Take a couple of over the counter, you know, meds, and it'll be okay. But there are people online, if you follow them, like they're bedridden from it, you know, like, really, they can really significantly be, could be, it could be nerves. It could be, I mean, maybe he's just upset about baseball. Baseball is very upsetting. You shouldn't do it. It's much

Pam 56:07
pressure, so hard. He's a good student, too. I mean, he's 30 student. He works a job, a lot of pressure, not a lot. Yeah, honestly,

Scott Benner 56:18
yeah. People might not really. I mean, I guess you could imagine, but like playing baseball in colleges is insane. It's a lot of a lot of time and effort and pressure, and, you know, it just, and the truth is, if you could probably let any of those kids play, and they'd be good if you just left them alone and let them do it. And right instead, there's four kids, and you're trying to pretend One of them's better than the other. It's, you know, yeah, ridiculous. They're all pretty freaking good, especially at JUCO. By the way, JUCO is good baseball, you know, had he played his whole life?

Pam 56:52
Yep. Is he big? Pretty much. He got good size. Yeah, he's okay. He's okay. He's poor Yankees fan. Admit that to you here.

Scott Benner 57:03
I know you're Philly fans. My son's going the Yankees game today, so you're not admitting anything to me. Don't worry about

Pam 57:08
it. Sure. We'll be, we'll be watching it later. We don't miss too many we've, I've never been to a game, actually, in person, because I live in Montana. They don't play here. He's about the same size as Anthony Volpe. Like, every time I see Volpe up to that, I'm like, That's Andrew, even kind of bad. Like, we'll see a little bit I am

Scott Benner 57:24
going to tell you something, Pam, that is going to make your pants fall to the ground and bounce back up again. Okay, my son played college baseball with the kid who played second base in high school for Anthony Volpe while he was playing shortstop. Really fun. Yeah, they're going to the Yankees game today to say hey to Anthony and watch the game. Oh,

Pam 57:45
man, that's awesome. Sorry, he's a great kid. I love watching him play. Yeah,

Scott Benner 57:51
he's undersized too. Like, for, you know, yeah, for, for what he's accomplishing, he's leading off of

Pam 57:56
the Yankees. Yeah, I think he and my son are almost the exact same size, 511, 190 pounds. Like, yeah,

Scott Benner 58:02
it's interesting. Yeah. Oh, anyway, Cole's friend Pat is very good friends with Anthony, and that's cool. They're heading small world. Yeah, I just couldn't believe you said as you were saying it. I was like, she's No way. She's gonna say Anthony's name right now and again. We were literally talking about him last night in the kitchen because Cole's like, I'm gonna go to the game tomorrow with Pat and we're gonna say hey to Anthony and then watch the game. And I was like, Oh, it sounds nice. He goes, I've never met him before. Like, what should I say to him? And I was like, I don't know. I said you should tell him. I can't believe these guys are your friends, terrible friends and but yeah, they just played baseball in high school together, and then he was drafted out of high school. I think, I

Pam 58:41
think so, yeah, yeah, he's young. He's, I don't think He's much older than my son. I don't think, no,

Scott Benner 58:46
I mean, Cole's 24 so he's probably right around that age. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Listen, baseball is great, yeah, until you get caught up in the system, then it's like everything else, and it's unpleasant. I was maybe you have this experience, maybe you haven't. I kept waiting for it to stop, like when they were little, and it was like, Daddy ball. I thought, oh, when they get out of Little League, that'll stop. And then they got into travel ball, and I thought, didn't stop here. That's okay. And then they got to college. I was like, what's obviously going to stop now? Didn't stop. Then I was like, Oh, my God, this is fascinating. Just the the the impactors changed in college, it was, you know, my dad made a donation that paid for a building, and so I play like that, you know. And in when they were 12, it was my dad's the coach. So I play. And it just was fascinating. Cole, at one point, played for a guy who I know for sure, didn't matter if they won, if his son wasn't on the field. Interesting, he did like, he's like, I don't care if we have success. If my son's not part of that success, then this isn't worth it. And then, of course, his son never continued to play baseball, yeah, as he ruined it's kind

Pam 59:57
of interesting. It's been an interesting journey. Ernie, for sure, we've been kind of insulated from a lot of that drama and politics and stuff. I don't know how we managed to get around it, but most like, I can't think of a year where that was an issue actually good

Scott Benner 1:00:13
for you my whole goddamn life.

Pam 1:00:16
You are good coaches.

Scott Benner 1:00:18
Well, your sister's Right,

Pam 1:00:21
yeah. I guess we've had a charm life. Now,

Scott Benner 1:00:26
I agree with your sister, because you're a son of a bitch to me now, because I watched, I watched people fight and argue and claw for years, it's just It was exhausting. That's a lot, absolutely exhausted,

Pam 1:00:39
really, pretty much a really positive experience from coaches that weren't the best, probably, but that's about as bad as I got, I think. So I should have moved

Scott Benner 1:00:49
to Montana years ago. You should have, yeah, all right, how much do I need to buy a reasonable house in Montana? Now I'm getting older, so it can be one story. Doesn't need to be two stories. Let's say a couple 1000 square feet. I'd like a place to park my car inside a little bit of land. What's it gonna run me? Okay,

Pam 1:01:08
the town we live in, the median price of homes right now is 800,000

Scott Benner 1:01:13
in our town, the median price so I can find one for like, 1.8 there too. Oh, yeah, and what am I living in for half a million a trailer with a gas bottle out

Pam 1:01:26
my son and his wife just it's not a trailer. It's a 900 square foot house, condus house slash condo. It does have its own walls, but

Scott Benner 1:01:38
walls, what do you mean? Like sharing walls, like our

Pam 1:01:41
condos, we share walls with other people, but they have like, a little tiny yard around their little condo, and they paid 350 I think, for that. But it's not in our town. It's like 10 miles.

Scott Benner 1:01:55
Are they near a meth problem? Or is it a nice place? It's just stuff's cheaper,

Pam 1:02:00
it's nice, okay, yeah, it's a nice little neighborhood. I

Scott Benner 1:02:03
don't want to fight off a medpat.

Pam 1:02:05
Do you understand that's the best deal you could get, but that's under 1000 square feet, 350

Scott Benner 1:02:09
but I get my own walls, so that's fancy. Yeah? Now I know what you meant, by the way, but it was just the way you said. It was hilarious, but I knew what you meant. I was like, oh, a house with walls. Do tell? All right, so somewhere between 350 and a couple of million and yeah, how are the state taxes? Am I going to get killed? I don't make a lot off this podcast. How much of it am I going to lose?

Pam 1:02:31
Yeah, we don't have a sales tax, which everybody really likes, but we do have pretty high property taxes, and those keep going up, so people are pretty unhappy right now about property taxes. So I'm

Scott Benner 1:02:43
not going to Montana. Probably not. But

Pam 1:02:45
you know, the town I grew up in, which is two hours from here, I look at their real estate all the time, and I'm like, we could sell our condo and buy a house in that town

Scott Benner 1:02:54
for cash, live like a king there. You're saying, yeah,

Pam 1:02:57
yeah, and it's only two hours away. It's a nice city, so

Scott Benner 1:03:01
Okay, you'll tell me the name of that privately, privately. You'll tell me. Yeah, okay, sure, I would like to live like a king somewhere. Once, me too. Yeah, me too. But am I going to be talking to like a guy named Bubba if I is it that far into the mountains, or what are we talking about? Oh,

Pam 1:03:17
it's not in the mountains. It's more urban. It's more of a city spillings. I'm not good. I mean, it's Montana. You'll probably fly, I don't know if you'll fly into there, if you'll fly into the town I live in, because I think I thought where you're going, all right, I'll look around. But, yeah, people complain about the crime there, though they do. So, I mean, I grew up there. My dad lives there. My mother in law lives 15 miles from there.

Scott Benner 1:03:42
I don't know. Am I gonna need a shotgun? I'm not up for that. Yeah, I don't know. All right, if I get an electric if I get an electric car, they're gonna make

Pam 1:03:51
fun of me. No, there's a lot of electric cars here that'll tell the outer Staters move in with their electric cars. So you're good. I

Scott Benner 1:03:56
see, okay, all right. I'm just trying to understand the landscape that's all All right. Pam, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Pam 1:04:04
I was also just going to mention, as far as Emma's journey with her, her diabetes, another challenge that we ran into this last year was some allergies to some of the insulin that she was really using, that that was also extremely frustrating and kind of difficult to navigate through that. Yeah, with her her teeth, limb, she was really having difficulty with her sights. And like she said, that it hurt, it felt painful. It was itchy. So she had been on Nova log, so we switched to hemolog, and that was good for a couple months. Everything was working fine. The absorption was good, and then that started to get irritated again, like we're going to run out of insulin pretty soon. And so the her pediatrician put her on a Pedra, which you're familiar with, yep, but didn't tell us that a Pedro doesn't work in a T slim, like it just doesn't work. And she kind of goes back and forth sometimes. Anyways, if. Between tslem and OmniPod five depending on her mood, sort of so we did have to switch back to OmniPod five for a while, and then she decided she wanted to go back on T slim and try the hemolog again. And she did, and it's for some reason now it's working. I don't understand it all, but it's been

Scott Benner 1:05:17
a Petra has not been FDA approved to work in any pump, I'm pretty sure, but I think you're right. Yeah, Arden's been using it in an OmniPod for like, a decade.

Pam 1:05:25
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't have issues with that. But, like, what

Scott Benner 1:05:30
was happening? Like, itching sore sites, yeah, she

Pam 1:05:34
literally said she could feel the insulin and that it felt she actually used the word painful, like it felt painful to her

Scott Benner 1:05:42
sore once she took off a pump site. Yeah. Arden experienced that with fiasp and loom Jeff, but I just figured it was something about the whatever they used to make it work faster. But then you've heard the interviews with people who have, like, honest to God, insulin allergies, right? Um, I think so. Yeah, okay, all right, some of them go on to, like, use, uh, aphraza and an injected basal. That works out well for them, yeah? But, yeah, I hope it doesn't get to that. Do you think she's just having, like, it's funny, your son's having a weird allergic reaction to something your daughter is they're not related by blood, right? Yeah, hmm, is it Montana? No, I'm just kidding, yeah, maybe, are they allergic to Montana?

Pam 1:06:29
Maybe, maybe that's what it is. So

Scott Benner 1:06:31
is that settled? Now, you think humalogs working?

Pam 1:06:34
It's working fine, right now, yeah, and I think decreasing the infant amount also helps, for sure, like having to use so much, but just keeping my fingers crossed, holding my breath, she just been through a lot of stuff. I

Scott Benner 1:06:47
was gonna say it's unfair. She's got a lot of stuff going on, for sure. That's, that's kind of how she feels. I would imagine, yeah, tell her I'd feel the same way. Yeah, that'll be of no, she'll be like, great. Who was that you're talking about? That guy that told me to use the ozempic, and I threw up great. Is that really? Is that my fault? By the way, the OmniPod? I mean, I brought them up, right? No, no,

Pam 1:07:07
but I did. I mean, I definitely, yeah. I mean, the more positive stories that you hear, for sure, and more like this, we need to try this. And they just turned 18, and our insurance covers it, and like, let's give this a shot. So

Scott Benner 1:07:19
okay, well, again, I hope, I hope you try the other one and that it works better, or that she finds another answer. I was thinking of calling this episode Kevin Costner. What do you think something

Pam 1:07:30
like that? Yeah, for sure, Kevin Costner should be in there. I

Scott Benner 1:07:34
don't think I'm allowed to curse in the titles. I think Apple would like, I could put, like, an asterisk in it, maybe, or something like that.

Pam 1:07:40
Make it an eggs. How disappointed

Scott Benner 1:07:42
Do you think people would be if they, if they like, saw Kevin Costner the title, and they listened to this whole thing, and they were like, This doesn't seem to be on anything about Kevin Costner at all. That's hilarious. I was just reminded today about one of my favorite episode titles. It's, uh, Mama needs her happy, or something like that, or something, honestly, somebody said that to me, and all I thought was, what a great episode title. It's funny. I don't even remember what it's about. I just remember liking the title, but nevertheless, I don't know what to say. Like, she's got a couple of speed bumps there.

Pam 1:08:16
They suck, yeah, they do. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:08:19
Are you okay? Like, dealing now? No, all right, what's happening to you? I mean, it's well, I

Pam 1:08:27
mean, I have kind of a stressful job the year that Emma got diagnosed with a really hard year, so I think in some ways we're sort of still just recovering from all of that. I lost my best friend to cancer in September, and then Emma was diagnosed type one in April, and then my father in law passed away in August, and then another close friend passed away just within days of my father in law. Oh, my God, 2021. Was horrible. So, I mean, I do feel like, you know, we're three years out from all of that. Now we're, you know, we're definitely better than we were, but I have kind of a stressful job that I started in working here in 2019 I'm five years into this and definitely getting easier. But yeah, I'm in therapy

Scott Benner 1:09:11
and Pam, you might be a mush. You know what that means? What's that like a mush? Like, like your bad your bad luck. Maybe you're the common thread between all these horrible things. Yeah, I'm just teasing. But no, seriously, you went to therapy, yeah,

Pam 1:09:28
I'm in therapy. Is it helping? Yeah? Yeah, it's great. I love my therapist. She's just good at listening and good at asking questions and good at, you know, helping me kind of navigate through.

Scott Benner 1:09:38
Oh my gosh, maybe it's Kevin Costner's fault.

Pam 1:09:43
Maybe it's Kevin Costner.

Scott Benner 1:09:44
I mean, seriously, they could have made that show anywhere. Why did it have to be there? You know what I mean. So to

Pam 1:09:51
tell you the truth, I am not a Yellowstone fan. I do not love that show. I love all the spin offs of Yellowstone, like 18, 2319,

Scott Benner 1:09:59
i. Yeah, all them, right, yeah, but those are good. What about Yellowstone? Don't you like? Well,

Pam 1:10:05
I guess when you live here, it just totally hits you wrong, because it's such a soap opera, you know, like there's just all this drama and fighting over land, and it's so unrealistic. The show I really like that. I think frames the West a little bit better is Longmire. Have you watched Longmire? Oh,

Scott Benner 1:10:20
listen to me, don't. Don't act like I haven't seen Longmire. I was the best i covid watched the Longmire. No problem. I was disappointed when it was over. Let me think

Pam 1:10:31
about Yeah, I think I've watched it like three times all the way through, but Yellowstone, I'd watched it because I felt like I had to understand what people we're

Scott Benner 1:10:40
talking about? Yeah, I watched Longmire and then watched other Katie sack off TV shows because of that, the blonde girl, you know who I mean,

Pam 1:10:49
yeah, yeah. I don't know what else she's been in, oh,

Scott Benner 1:10:53
Battlestar Galactica, all kinds of stuff, my goodness. Okay, yeah, I, I'm gonna go out on a limb and tell you, I don't know that Longmire is a good TV show, but I loved it. I

Pam 1:11:03
love it. Yeah, really, the writing and I love the scenery. And, yes,

Scott Benner 1:11:07
no, I enjoyed the hell out of it. I really did. So, so you're saying Yellowstone? You're trying to tell me that rich people in Montana aren't murdering each other in office buildings.

Pam 1:11:18
I don't think so. Yeah, not, not on the daily.

Scott Benner 1:11:21
No, they're not throwing rattlesnakes at people in rivers to kill them.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:26
No,

Scott Benner 1:11:27
wait, this is crazy. Hold on a second.

Pam 1:11:32
You're gonna be so disappointed. Come out here. There's

Scott Benner 1:11:34
not a road in Montana where you throw dead bodies off of

Pam 1:11:40
I don't know there could be, God,

Scott Benner 1:11:42
imagine if all this is true, and you're just like, finding out right now, you know what? I mean, that's terrible. Yeah, no, I didn't expect any of that was true, but I do all the spin offs are terrific. They're really good. Yeah, very good. So, all right, well, all right, then, yeah, this is Kevin Costner's fault, for sure. We'll blame him. Actually. Have you ever watched the movie that the guy who made Yellowstone made hell or high water? I don't think so. Try that one. You might like that. Okay, all right, my dog is barking, which means this is over.

Pam 1:12:13
Okay, sounds good. It's really nice to talk to you. Yeah, you

Scott Benner 1:12:17
too. Pam, hold on one second for me. Okay, okay. Thanks.

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