#1417 Silver Lining

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Chelsea shares her journey through diabetes, ADHD, and major life changes, including self-discovery and mental health struggles. She opens up about resilience, motherhood, and finding balance.

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Scott Benner 0:00Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of The Juicebox Podcast.

Chelsea is a returning guest. She was originally on episode 777 and the description of that episode was, Chelsea has type one diabetes, ADHD, anxiety and depression. She's here today to check back in to let us know how she's doing. Please don't forget that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin.

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Chelsea 2:10
I'm Chelsea, and I've been a type one diabetic since I was two years old. I'm terrible at introductions. To be honest, I never know what to say. Like, what do people want to know? I feel like

Scott Benner 2:21
you've done it already. How old are you now? Old are you now? I am 29 Did you just have to figure out what year it was to find out how old you are? Yeah, you're 29

Chelsea 2:31
I don't know off the top of my head, yeah, 29 so you were diagnosed. I think that's right, like 27 years ago? Yes. Okay, 90. Let's say I was born in 95 I was diagnosed when I was two.

Scott Benner 2:43
And tell everybody you're an accountant,

Chelsea 2:46
right? I am an accountant. Far from it. You've

Scott Benner 2:50
been on the podcast before, though, yes, can you tell me where? What was that? Do you

Chelsea 2:56
know what? Like episode, it was 777 and I think I only remember that because, because it's 777

Scott Benner 3:03
70. Let me see if I can find out what I called it, unless it's a horrifying remember, remember,

Chelsea 3:12
if I could take it, I would, I think is what it was called

Scott Benner 3:15
interesting. I've, I've searched 777, and it's come back with 778776, and 711, I just can't wait for if I could take it. I would, yeah, was that innuendo or or was that was that like, was that a real title? Yeah, we

Chelsea 3:35
talked a little bit about, like, parents saying that to like,

Scott Benner 3:39
Oh that thing, yes, yes, yes, yeah. They'll all like, Oh, you got the diabetes. If I could take it from you, I would. And we talked about exactly

Chelsea 3:47
how well intended that is, but it's kind of hurtful. Yeah,

Scott Benner 3:51
yeah. If I could just change who you are so that you be better, I would do it. And also, I'm a martyr. Chelsea has type one diabetes, ADHD, anxiety and depression. What an opener for you. Congratulations. Yes. How do you find yourself back on the podcast? Because Scottie doesn't do a lot of return guests, so if I said yes, there had to be a good

Chelsea 4:11
reason, you told me to reach out to you again. And if I wanted to come back on the podcast, we could do it again sometime. And so I don't know I did that. And here

Scott Benner 4:21
we are. Yeah, here we are some sort of, like the Marvel movies for people with type one diabetes, because I think of my life as in segments of like, I just need to stay alive long enough to see this next film. And I feel like there are a great many people with type one who are like, I just have to stay alive long enough to get on that podcast. Because

Chelsea 4:41
it's great podcast. Yeah,

Scott Benner 4:43
it takes forever to get onto it. Is really what I was saying. It's worth it, is it? Did you, may I for a minute, did you have a good time last time? What was your experience once it went up? Like, a personal experience, I'm not even specifically with people online,

Chelsea 4:56
like recording it with you, or like when it went out, sure? How? Was it recording first. I mean, you're a lovely person to talk to. You're, you know, you're a fun person to talk to, of course. And then just like, sharing like your own story with like the community is, like, really cool, because I value all the stories I heard on the podcast, and it's kind of cool to just add my my own perspective, and it seems like everybody's shares something that's helpful. So it's cool to be a part of that. Okay, yeah. And then just like, putting it out there, it's kind of weird to tell people, like, Hey, I was on a podcast. Why don't you go listen to me talk for an hour? Because first of all, I'm not usually one that people sit and listen to talk. I'm more of like a listener, typically. So okay, it's like, hey, go listen to my voice for an hour. And then it's also weird listening to your own voice.

Scott Benner 5:40
Did you actually listen to it? Yeah, I did.

Chelsea 5:43
I did as like, what kind of crazy things did I say? Because you find it odd to hear yourself. I don't know I was. I was both, uh, impressed with myself and embarrassed. So, you know, anything,

Scott Benner 5:55
that's just how it is. I didn't mean to cut you off anything specific that you were embarrassed by it was

Chelsea 6:01
a little while ago. So, you know, apparently, not too embarrassing. I kind of forgot the

Scott Benner 6:06
list of stuff that you sent over here for this episode. Is fantastic.

Chelsea 6:10
It is a good list. Oh, my God. Oh, it's been a crazy year. So,

Scott Benner 6:14
yeah, yeah, no, it feels like I could do a 12 part series from this list with you.

Chelsea 6:20
What did I title my I emailed you? What was the subject of my email? It is

Scott Benner 6:25
every storm has the silver lining. I don't know. I'm not sure if that's true, by the way, but I guess we'll find out.

Chelsea 6:33
That's kind of how my personality is. I mean,

Scott Benner 6:35
can I just bang through this list and we see what happens?

Chelsea 6:39
Yeah, just Yeah, I don't even remember, but yeah, just go, go,

Scott Benner 6:43
oh, let me just, I'll blurt them all out, and then we'll figure out a place to start. Move to Colorado, live on a ranch, husband apprenticing under one of the world's best sculptors. Insurance changes. Lost my Dexcom for a long time. Difficulty finding new healthcare team. Hashimotos is behaving strange, working through some suppressed childhood trauma, realized I'm not straight, lots of stress and anxiety, thyroid behaving super strange. I feel like Hashimotos is behaving strange and thyroid behaving super strange. Pretty similar, losing weight quickly, without trying feeling really off physically and mentally, had to go to the ER. Diabetes management is terrible. I still don't have a CGM, struggling with ADHD, making it difficult to manage everything, and dealing with lots of invisible struggles that felt like they were ruining my life, all while trying to be a mom and support my family. God damn. This is like an episode. This is like an after school special that goes on for three days. So, oh

Chelsea 7:45
geez. It's been a big year. I feel like a lot of that has gotten has, like I figured out too. So

Scott Benner 7:52
that's That'll be exciting then, okay, well, let's just start

Chelsea 7:55
like in the thick of it. There is a silver lining to that storm. You're

Scott Benner 7:59
not in the thick of it anymore, right? Good. Why'd you move? Let's start there.

Chelsea 8:03
So we moved for my husband to do the apprenticeship. People he's apprenticing under are they live in Colorado, and they bought a big ranch and stuff, and so we're living on the ranch with them. Actually, we help take care of the ranch and the studio spaces and stuff like that, while he does his apprenticeship and everything so crazy. How long do you think that lasts? It's a three year apprenticeship, and we're into about our second year. So yeah, about one more year of that.

Scott Benner 8:31
How's it going? Where we go? Is he a decent sculptor? Yet

Chelsea 8:35
he's doing really good. He's progressing and learning a lot. It's it's been really exciting. So,

Scott Benner 8:41
yeah, what medium did they teach in? So he,

Chelsea 8:44
he got his bachelor's in fine arts, primarily doing stone sculpture and then, but here he's learning how to do more, like figurative work. So, like, you know, bodies and stuff, yeah, figures, think, like, like, the David that kind of stuff.

Scott Benner 9:00
Yeah, after you become amazing at that, how do you make money at it? Like, how does that become a life?

Chelsea 9:08
You try to be the best of the best, and people want to buy sculptures from you, commissions. Sometimes people come to you or you, you know, put your work in galleries and stuff like that. So yeah, he's actually, we're actually going to a big sculpture show next week in Loveland. For that, he got accepted to where he's going to go sell some sculptures. Congratulations. So, yeah, nice. Been doing pretty good.

Scott Benner 9:34
Just like that. Chelsea, we've gone through, moved to Colorado, live on a ranch, husband, apprenticing. Bang, bang, bang. Just like that, bam, bam, bam, bam. Now, how did you lose your insurance? Is it because he had a job and now he is on a ranch. So we're super poor. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the ever since 365 get 365 days of comfortable wear without having. To change a sensor. When you think of a continuous glucose monitor, you think of a CGM that lasts 10 or 14 days, but the ever since 365 it lives up to its name, lasting 365 days. That's one year without having to change your CGM with the Eversense 365 you can count on comfort and consistency. 365 days a year, because the ever since silicon based adhesive is designed for your skin to be gentle and to allow you to take the transmitter on and off, to enjoy your shower, a trip to the pool or an activity where you don't want your CGM on your body if you're looking for comfort, accuracy and a one year wear you are looking for ever since 365 go to Eversense cgm.com/juice box. To learn more. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the Omnipod five. Omnipod.com/juice box. My daughter, Arden, has been wearing an Omnipod every day since 2006 and it has been a constant friend in her life with diabetes, consistent, tubeless and worry free, Omnipod com slash juice box. Big

Chelsea 11:19
surprise, that's kind of how the artist life is. But we were on Utah Medicaid, and then we moved to Colorado, and it's was just like switching states, switching different to a new state, Medicaid, and me being ADHD and having a hard time prioritizing tasks. I kind of

Scott Benner 11:39
you did not prioritize holding on to your insurance. You'd think I

Chelsea 11:43
would, but yeah, that's kind of the fun thing with ADHD is, can you explain

Scott Benner 11:48
to me if it slipped your mind, or if you consistently knew that you had to take care of it and just didn't

Chelsea 11:54
it was like, Yeah, I need to take care of that. But then there's also, like, a million other things being put in front of me. You need to take care of this. You need to take care of this. And then it's not knowing how not knowing how to, like, sit down and do the top priority thing at the time. Does that make sense? Like it does.

Scott Benner 12:09
Do you end up just doing the last thing that was said to you, or the thing that, like, shines in your head for some reason? Yeah,

Chelsea 12:15
I kind of like, especially with kids, because kids come up right up to you and they're like, Mom, mom, mom, mom. You know, like that kind of gets your attention the most. So a lot of the time it's like, stuff that's like, getting my attention in the moment and where it's stuff that's like, on the computer, or, like, I gotta sit down, or call a phone number look something up online, that stuff is harder for me to, like, remember to do or or get done, because it's less in my face, you know, kind of out of sight, out of mind. How old are the kids? Let's see, my oldest is seven, and my second is six. What

Scott Benner 12:47
if you did this? What if you took the kids aside and you said, listen, next time you come up to me and ask for something, I need you to ask me to make sure that we have health insurance. Okay,

Chelsea 12:58
here's a lollipop. I just like, instead of like, writing notes on my hands, I'll just, like, write it on we'll put it on something. And then when they come up to me, I'll just asking for something else. I'll just remember, because I see my own notes written on them. I

Scott Benner 13:10
just think, if they're bugging the hell out of you and you prioritize what they're saying, let's have them start yelling stuff at you that's valuable for the family. Mom, I want you to scrub the toilet like, Oh, all right, hold on. My gosh. So have you been able, like, in two years to get insurance back again, because you said you were without CGM for a long time? Were you without insulin and other things?

Chelsea 13:33
I had, like, an excess. So I kind of like had a supply to use in between having it not having it, I got back on insurance, but I had to get, like, a pre approval or a new prescription or something read out, written out for the Dexcom specifically. So the Dexcom was actually, like extra work to get. And I can't remember what it was exactly, but sometimes you gotta, like, really jump through the loops to get it, you know, it's, it really has something to do with that. The way

Scott Benner 14:04
they have it set up sucks. Like, the you have to, like, prove and reprove and ask again and send me another

Chelsea 14:10
script, and then, like, also, like, I'm in a new state, I have to go see new doctors because, like, my old doctors in a different state, like, don't always take a different state's insurance, stuff like that, you know. So, like, it's like, different Medicaid. It just like, things get complicated. So it's like, it's not just like, I have to get the Dexcom or I have to get a script, I have to go get a new doctor. I gotta make the phone call, make the appointment, then I gotta go to remember the appointment, go to the appointment, and then remember to ask for this and this and this, you know, for prescriptions and Dexcom stuff. And then they've got to ask the insurance and get it approved. And if it doesn't get approved, then I got to remember to call the insurance, or be the in between, between the doctor's office and the insurance, or even, like, it's a lot of, like, remembering and then, and then with, like, my ADHD and everything else. Like, I just. You know, it's

Scott Benner 15:00
hard to writing it down. Wouldn't help setting reminders. Yeah,

Chelsea 15:05
yeah, it Yeah. I try. You should, you should see my fridge, and I have several white boards and, like, cork boards, and there's, like, notes hung up everywhere on my phone. It's just like, everything I can do to, like, visualize, like, externalized visual reminders, whatever notes on my phone with reminders, like, and still, stuff gets forgotten. It's just ridiculous. No,

Scott Benner 15:33
I understand. I really do. I just, I'm interested in, like, the process. So once the notes are everywhere, do you actually follow through on any others, you just become a storm of, like, words. Is it just a word jumble? Yeah?

Chelsea 15:44
Like, it's, there's a fine balance, because if I put too many stuff up on, like, a board of things to remember, then it just becomes a board of papers. Yeah? And, like, I'm not going to remember any of them, you know, like, like a word bubble,

Scott Benner 15:56
almost.

Chelsea 15:58
Yeah, exactly. So,

Scott Benner 16:01
well, listen, yeah. Are there any things you never forget to do that you're that you even are like, I can't believe I always do this,

Chelsea 16:07
going to the bathroom. That's pretty that one's pretty easy. But like, I forget to eat. You know, I forget, you know, it takes a lot of conscious effort to do things that are just like regular, even just like regular habits for people, or like things that I like struggle to remember to do, you know, so okay, I'm trying to think is, there's those are something that I just remember to do. It's like, if there's an external force like reminding me or motivating me to do something, I can remember that I can do that. But if it's like, all up to me to like, be that motivation, be that reminder. Oh, like, Kevin, help me like that your whole life. Yeah, I think so. Like, I did well in school. I was a straight A student. I like, you know, 3.9 GPA. I did extracurriculars, but, like, a lot of that, like, I worked well in that system, because there was a system. I didn't have to build the system. I just had to, like, follow it, and there's a lot of external pressure to be good at it, right? So, like, I did well with that. But like becoming an adult, and like managing being my own person, to like, my own motivator, and, yeah, is different. It's been different.

Scott Benner 17:20
Do you think has it changed at all based on your your thyroid levels changing like, are you more together when your TSH is lower, for example, or anything like that? Yeah,

Chelsea 17:31
yeah. And, and I've thought about this a lot over the last several years, since I got diagnosed with ADHD, and then also learning more about like Hashimotos and learning more about like diabetes and stuff. Like, since all of that in the past five years or so, I've really noticed they all play off of each other in like, the worst ways. So like, if one gets out of balance, the others get thrown off. And my life is just like a spiral downward. So it's like, it's really hard to just keep balance, because, yeah, when my thyroid is off, it makes my ADHD worse. I feel like and then also, and then diabetes management becomes harder to take care of and and same with diabetes, if my blood sugars are really off, I feel like that affects like that. Can I feel like that sometimes causes my thyroid levels to change if they're like, really off or and then that affects my ADHD too. So everything, kind of like, affects my ADHD, but my ADHD also makes it hard to manage the other things as well.

Scott Benner 18:33
Sucks because those things all seem like they're pretty inflammation related on one level or another. Yeah, I think so. What was the trouble you were having with your thyroid? Like, how does that like, are you not on a medication every day that keeps it in a space? Like, what was happening?

Chelsea 18:48
I don't know. It's just like, when, when we moved to Colorado, I felt like my like, thyroid levels were changing. Like, maybe, I don't know what it was, something, something was triggered. And like, the medication I was on was not, like, the right dose or something and but I just, like, kept with what I had, and then it just was. It was getting worse as time went on. And does stress have an impact on like, Hashimotos, like, can it like, caused the body, like the immune system, to, like, attack your thyroid and, like, really mess up your levels. Because I feel like that's a thing.

Scott Benner 19:28
So what happened? You get stressed out, and you feel like your thyroid levels move around.

Chelsea 19:32
Yeah, yeah. Like, extreme stress, not just like I had a stressful day, but

Scott Benner 19:36
like, the hell is happening this extreme in your life? Well,

Chelsea 19:39
when I kind of came to that realization I wasn't straight huge panic, and I was super stressed, and I didn't like eat for three days, and I was just overcome with anxiety, and it was this whole thing. And then, especially after that, my thyroid just felt it was really hot. I, I don't know it was my heart. Like was all felt all racy. I was losing a lot of weight, like it changes in my hair, like my hair was thinning, and like blood pressure issues, and I don't know, all this stuff. I just, like, felt like I was dying, really. Let

Scott Benner 20:19
me tell you what I learned from our our friends at chat, G, P, T, 4.0 while you were talking there, extreme stress can impact hypothyroidism. Stress affects the body in several ways, including how to manage thyroid hormone. Here's some key points, cortisol levels, autoimmune responses, HPA axis. Chronic stress can disrupt the hypothalam. I haven't watched Grey's Anatomy in a while, hypothalam, thalamic pituitary adrenal axis, which no wonder they call it the HPA axis, which plays a critical role in regulating thyroid function. Disruptions in the axis can lead to imbalances in thyroid hormone production. Can stress, can impact digestive health. Nutrient Absorption, iodine and zinc are crucial for thyroid function. If you're not absorbing them, it could worsen sleep and lifestyle, etc. So not crazy, but here's what sounds crazy to me, and I want to dig into more. You're 29 right? You telling me you woke up one day and you were like, Chelsea, doesn't like boys, like what like? And you didn't realize that, or what's going because how many kids do you have with the boy who's over there sculpting?

Chelsea 21:31
I've got two kids. Okay, okay, I'm bisexual, so we'll put it that way.

Scott Benner 21:37
All right, we'll put it that way. Well, you put it anywhere you want. What's the moment? Like, you know, like, there's, like, why all the

Chelsea 21:45
sudden it was really, like an epiphany kind of moment. I mean, it's, it's, I feel like, the past few years, I feel like I've kind of been, like, I've been going to therapy, and I've been kind of doing a lot of, like healing work from, like, childhood trauma and stuff, you know, in my teenage years, and my main coping mechanism was, like, suppressing things. And so I've been doing, like, a lot of, like, unsuppressing things. But anyway, I just had someone close to me. We were just talking, and they they came out, and they're like, Hey, by the way, you know, like, I'm, you know, they came out and said, You know, I'm not straight. And they were telling me about their experience and their story, and just like something about them talking and like, all of these things that like it, light bulb went on in my head, like, that's you. Like that. Everything just suddenly made sense. Like it just felt like this, this connection of like, Oh,

Scott Benner 22:36
more details. What did she say? Was it she that told you she was yeah, what did she say that made you go, like, because you had, like, a Scooby Doo boom. And you're like, and then, like, what happened then, yeah,

Chelsea 22:47
she's talking about kind of, like, her own childhood trauma type stuff, you know, like, and also, like difficulties with, like, parent relationship, and then how she came to terms with the fact that, like, you know, she's bisexual, and she realized that about herself and how that's been for her, and for some reason, all these things that I've kind of been uncovering and working through mental trauma, and stuff like childhood trauma, it just everything kind of just like, clicked in that moment. I don't really know how to explain it. It's just like, it just made sense in the moment. Like, Oh, prior. That makes sense, everything, yeah,

Scott Benner 23:22
yeah. But prior to that, had you ever had an experience with a woman or a desire? I

Chelsea 23:27
mean, looking, looking back on things, yeah, like, my, my relationships with, like, girls and boys and like, I've never had like a, like a, like a relationship with a girl or anything. But definitely, like looking, but there's like, there's crushes, there's attraction, there's, you know, like that. Have you

Scott Benner 23:45
ever been face first with the business end of a lady? No, no. Have you yet? No, no. I married Scott. Are you planning on it? I mean, listen, you guys moved from Utah to Colorado so he could learn how to, like, Chip stuff out of stone. I'm assuming bringing a girl over isn't the craziest thing you guys have ever talked about.

Chelsea 24:09
So, like, so he was really nice. Like, when I, when I told him about these, oh, my god,

Scott Benner 24:13
really nice. He was like, thank God. He ran around Chelsea, like you won the Olympics. Am I wrong?

Chelsea 24:23
He's like, I just it's a concern. Like, I don't know. Like, was he

Scott Benner 24:27
heartbroke? I would let me just tell you, from my perspective, I would have been heartbroken. I would have been like, I said, I'm getting divorced. This is over, but I'm some guys. Like, maybe he's handsome, maybe he's running around thinking, like, she's gonna bring a lady over one day. This is going to be the greatest day of my life. Like, I don't, where did that situation? Like, how did

Chelsea 24:44
it? Well, I was super stressed about telling him.

Scott Benner 24:47
I mean, I could tell you screwed up your thyroid, yeah, yeah.

Chelsea 24:50
And I didn't. I didn't eat for three days. I was like, at the point I was like, I'm gonna have to, like, go to the hospital if I don't, like, eat something or do something, like. I get to talk to somebody about this, but I don't know, like, when I, when I told him, he was actually, like, really chill about it. He's like, okay. He's like, but you still like me, right? I'm like, Yeah, I still love you. It's just, I just this, just this thing about me that I realized about myself. You know, it doesn't like, change our relationship or anything, go find

Scott Benner 25:19
his best friend Chelsea, and find out what he said after you guys walk, he's he's probably like, Bob, listen to me. Listen very closely. It finally happened, Mecca. I made it. Hold tight. There's gonna be more than one lady. Have you guys talked about that? I don't want to. I almost said I don't want to dig too deep in your life. That's ridiculous. Of course, I do. Have you talked about that?

Chelsea 25:38
I mean, that's not something that like want to do. Nobody wants that in our marriage, you know, but fair

Scott Benner 25:44
enough, I don't think you should have to. And my joking part is over now. But like, so then what do you do with that thought,

Chelsea 25:51
that first, like, epiphany. It was like a good experience. It was like a, like, a really wholesome, like, healing, kind of, like getting a piece of me back, you know, like, I just felt more connected with myself, you know, this thing I'd been suppressing for so long, like, Finally, just like, I took it back, and that was a good feeling. But immediately following that, in the next days, it was like, panic, like, suddenly I don't know where I belong in anything anymore. And that was like, What's stressful is like, I don't know if people are gonna accept me. I don't know if I belong places. I don't know what people are gonna think of me, or, like, if people still love me, you know, like, that's the question is, like, I don't, I don't know how people, you know, do I still have a place in the world? That's kind of like how it feels.

Scott Benner 26:35
No, no, no. I think, I think I understand. I feel like I have to go back to this one part that I feel stuck on, like, if I met a if I knew a guy, like a friend, and we sat down one day and we were comparing the lives, and every traumatic thing that happened to me happened to them, and like, our lives really matched. And then that, at the end of that conversation, the guy said, and I realized, I'm not straight, I would go, Oh, I am. Like, what does that conversation do to like, I'm not saying that the conversation, like, made you gay. I take you at your word, that it uncovered something that you that you felt like you were suppressing. But like, how, how does that happen? Do you know what I mean? Like, was there, like, a thing that was said that, like, how do you go from I had a traumatic childhood or whatever, to I think I like girls too, yeah,

Chelsea 27:21
yeah, so, so for me, I think I was, I was starting to understand that about myself back in high school, you know, freshman, sophomore year, like, you know, realizing maybe I look at girls a little differently than, like my peers, do, You know, and, and that thought kind of emerging, but also right at that same time, my dad got fired from his job, and my home life just became really stressful, and things became really hard, and I didn't have room for big thoughts like that, you know. I couldn't process stuff like that, you know. And like, you know, I'm Christian. I'm, you know, LDS and so, like, also, there's that stress of being gay and being Christian is hard to process. And, yeah.

Scott Benner 28:13
So on top of all this other stuff, your family live is in the Mormon Church, is that? Right? Yeah, yeah. And so there's no, I mean, I've spoken to my fair share of Mormons. My understanding that if you're in the church, you're not gay, is that about, right?

Chelsea 28:28
It's complicated. But, I mean, there's plenty of gay people in there. Oh,

Scott Benner 28:33
no, I know they're there. I'm just saying it's not a thing you say, you don't raise your hand and go, Hey, by the way, it's not

Chelsea 28:38
always the most well received thing. Yeah, it's hard to understand. And yeah, reconcile. So you've got

Scott Benner 28:44
all this turmoil inside of you. Obviously, this stuff all boils up. Then you got to tell your husband. Then you realize he's probably hurt by this to some degree. You have to make him hard for him to kind of, yeah, boy. I mean, yeah. I mean not that. If you are, you should hide it, but like, it's gonna have an impact on the other person too, right? So then you comfort him, which is, now you isn't that crazy? You're in this situation. You're like, oh, wait, now I have to be comforting to you. Like, holy crap. Yeah, I

Chelsea 29:14
feel like coming out. That's like, I don't know. Half the time that's what you're doing. It's like, they're not, they're if you come out to somebody, there's a good chance you're going to end up

Scott Benner 29:23
comforting them. It's okay.

Chelsea 29:27
It's okay. I'm okay. It's all right.

Scott Benner 29:30
Because you're married to a guy and you have, I mean, you're going to designate by you know yourself, as a bisexual but you don't want to cheat on your husband, so you're not looking for him to be with another lady I imagine right now. No, okay, so it's just going to be this thing that doesn't happen. Does that seem reasonable?

Chelsea 29:50
It's incredibly hard because, because, well, there's like this, this thing they call a lot of a lot of people call it like the gay adolescents. What do they call it? Like, queer puberty or whatever. Where, like people who don't come out until they're older, they kind of, like, go through this like, process of understanding that part of them, yeah, that like the like teenagers and stuff, go through like, a second puberty almost exactly. And that's exactly how it feels. It feels like I went back to, like, 15 year old me, and like, how I was, like, my brain was working, and it felt,

Scott Benner 30:23
are you just creeping on ladies at the mall, like 15 year old boys? Is that what you're

Chelsea 30:29
doing? No, but like, I don't know. It's like, suddenly you want to understand this part about yourself, but you feel like, like, I'm not in a position to do that. You know, like, this is the wrong time of life to be doing that. And, like, especially, like, married and kids and so, like, it's really complicated and it's really hard, you know, no, no,

Scott Benner 30:47
that's what I'm saying. It seems, it seems like big, so hard, and I don't know, like, I'm trying to figure out how you ignore it your whole life, yeah,

Chelsea 30:55
suppressing it to survive. I mean, in high school, I was, like, my my parents were really struggling after my dad lost his job, and like, they were not very present, like they loved us kids and they and they took care of us. But it was also it was stressful because, like, their mental health was was really bad. And my dad, especially it was, he was, like, in a constant anxiety attack, like, all the time, and my mom was really weighed down to and really depressed. And it's just like, like, felt like we couldn't, like, lean on them or anything, even though they were, they were there for us. But like, it's like, I really, I was very aware of their own struggles, so I didn't want to be more of a struggle, you know. So, like, it's just, like, you just suppress things to kind of

Scott Benner 31:42
survive, try not to make waves. What if your dad lost his job, was hit with so much stress over that realized he was gay, went home, told your mom he was gay, and she went and the stress of hearing that her husband was gay made her realize she was gay, and then and then, everyone would have been happy if they told each other, but no. What happened, drinking, fighting, what happened when the job went away?

Chelsea 32:04
Like, my dad seemed kind of like, on the verge of, like, suicide. That kind of stress, like, sometimes he'd just like, leave the house and we weren't sure that he'd be like, coming back, you know, that kind of stress and financial, you know, stress of being able to afford things, especially like me being the diabetic, feeling really guilty about that, because, like, I have expensive needs, you know, like, it's not easy when you don't have a job. And yeah, so if you

Scott Benner 32:34
think that every married person, man or woman, hasn't stood outside of the door of their house for a minute, go, am I gonna go back inside, or am I leaving? I think you're, I think you're crazy. But I take, I said, it's terrible that he it got to that. Did he get help? Or did he make his way through? Is he still alive? He's

Chelsea 32:50
still alive? Yeah, yeah. He, they work through it. And they're, they're doing like, good now, nice. It was rough for, you know, a while.

Scott Benner 32:59
I wonder how much of when big life things crash like that, and you're very religious, meaning you have a lot of faith that there's somebody looking out for you. How many times somebody's like, well, where's God in this? Like, I've been, I put a lot of faith in this situation. Now I don't have a job, my kids got diabetes, like, except, you know what I mean? Like, probably harder to take than if you don't believe in God, and you're just like, oh, man, ups and downs of life, huh?

Chelsea 33:22
A bit of a faith crisis, yeah, yeah, like being mad at God or whatever, yeah? So I think there was a bit of that too, you know, going on,

Scott Benner 33:31
yeah? I was gonna say, like, just feeling abandoned by an idea more than anything else. It's interesting. Okay, so how does this end you up in the ER?

Chelsea 33:40
Ended up in the ER because, like I said, my thyroid was was behaving really weird. I was under a lot of stress. I just had one one day, my husband was out of town for doing something for work, and I was just at home with the kids by myself. My heart felt just really off, and I was, I thought maybe I was having like, a heart attack or something, like, I didn't know what was going on. I ended up having a neighbor, like, drag me to the ER, and they checked on my heart and everything. And I guess they think, they determined it was just like a panic attack or something. But felt really stupid because it wasn't actually anything. That's okay, yeah. But, but after that, I was like, Okay, I've got to figure out what's going on with my thyroid. Like, I can't, like, keep going on, like this. And I was also, like, I was losing a lot of weight, and I was really thin, like I was weighing less than I was, like, in high school, like I was, I lost 30 pounds, I think, in like, two months. And like, I was, and I'm, like, already not, like I'm a pretty like small person to begin with.

Scott Benner 34:42
You lost 30 pounds in two months. Yeah, from what weight to what weight, I

Chelsea 34:47
went from like 155 to 125 how tall? 540 my goodness. I. Yeah. And so I'm like, Okay, I've got to figure out what's wrong with me. Away. It's really rough. So I ended up making an appointment with an endocrinologist. I'm like, my regular doctor isn't enough. I need to actually go see an endo for my thyroid. And yeah. And I hadn't been to an endocrinologist in a really long time, because back where we were living before, we didn't really have one in the area, and so I was just seeing, I don't know, some family doctor or whatever. So I go to the Endo, and they're like, what's going on? I tell her about all this stuff going on, and she's like, What meds are you on? And she's like, Oh, okay. And she's like, we're gonna switch you off of your thyroid medication and switch you to a better one. And I guess I was, I was, I was taking armor thyroid. And apparently that was, she really disagrees with that for most people like for most, at least people with Toshi motos that like it, it's not helpful. What did she put you onto? Uh, she switched me back to Le both thyroxin, well, she switched me to tyrosine.

Scott Benner 36:06
Oh, tears in Okay, that's what, that's what Arden takes. And

Chelsea 36:08
that's been even better than, I feel like, than just Synthroid, even, yeah. So I really like the tyrosine. It works really good for me. All

Scott Benner 36:18
the people in my family use tyrosine, yeah, and so, yeah, it's amazing. My son does tyrosine with armor. Oh, really. He does both, yeah. He does both, like a little touch of the armor. Arden does tyrosine with uh, cytome, which is t3 a little, just a little tiny, little bit for energy. I didn't real look at this. How did I miss this disordered eating diabetes? I didn't know that was happening. Tell me more. Yeah,

Chelsea 36:42
so I know for me, it's, it's not always something I like seek out to do. It's almost like something I fall into. And I feel like everything else in my life is out of control, and it gives me like a sense of control. And I mean, I also struggle with like, like appearance and like stuff like that. And so tell

Scott Benner 37:08
me more. I didn't realize that, so where I'd forgotten one of the other. But like, are you find yourself judging yourself or feeling judged? Or, how does that work?

Chelsea 37:16
So I it's something I'd struggled with before, kind of after having my kids struggling with body image and realizing I could kind of just like, neglect my diabetes and that would help me lose weight, or that would help me stay thin. And part of that is also dealing with, like, bad depression and just kind of feeling enabled to, like, stay thin any other way, and this just seemed like an easy way to do it, and also managing diabetes was overwhelming anyway, so it's like, I just was like, Okay, well,

Scott Benner 37:50
you know, do you remember how you figured out that you can manipulate your weight like that? You

Chelsea 37:55
like hear it from people. You know, it's like something you if you talk with other diabetes and listen to people's stories and stuff. You kind of, if you don't realize it yourself, you realize it's not hard to put one and you know, one on one together.

Scott Benner 38:10
And is that something you're still doing now, or is that something you've worked towards not doing? It's something I

Chelsea 38:17
still struggle with, especially as like, I start putting on more weight. Like, if I'm, you know, when I'm being healthier and, you know, eating a good diet and really taking care of my blood sugars, and maybe I start putting on more weight. The more weight I put on, the more stressed about it I get. And that's not really, I feel like that's not really something I think I've overcome entirely, you know, okay, because I'm still kind of figuring out my other health issues that are kind of like keeping me thin, but I'm not trying to abuse them. Does that make sense? Like, I think

Scott Benner 38:55
so. Honestly, I think it does. Yeah, yeah. Have you ever sought, like, outside help. For that a little bit,

Chelsea 39:03
I like, reached out to some organizations. I like, joined some groups, like on Facebook, some like support groups and stuff. And I've talked to my therapist about it, and so I have some support. And my husband's aware of it too, and he's, he's always been really good to, you know, help me have good body image and support me, you know, in that way. So but before this last year, it's not something I ever talked about to anybody with and now I people are aware of it, and so that helps me kind of feel more capable of handling it. I guess,

Scott Benner 39:34
sure, when you talk to when you've a couple of times have said, like, when I've talked to other people like, or I, you know, I have to come out to other people like, are you have a large group of people that you are sharing these things about yourself with? Or is it just people who you encounter and you feel like, okay, I want to say something here, usually

Chelsea 39:54
like family, close friends, and then there's, you know, Facebook groups, if. I are great for, like, support communities, like, you know, the Juicebox Podcast group has been, you know, really great for diabetes and stuff like that. So lovely.

Scott Benner 40:08
I'm happy to hear that that's nice. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, you did write a nice note to me. It really laid this out, which I think is making things very helpful. By the way, you feel like you're pulling your life together that I get, yeah, but you say that, even though I might not be managing my my diabetes, Well, right now, can you put context to that? Like, what is your variability look like? Where your highs and lows? Like, where do you peak and paying and what's your A,

Chelsea 40:37
1c, Oh, geez. Lately, my my blood sugars have been all over the place, and that's because I've been dealing with medication changes, which has been hard. I haven't I haven't had an A 1c in a while either, because I keep forgetting to, like, schedule the go do one again, the ADHD. But I recently started ADHD meds, and it's, like, amazing, the difference it makes like I can actually, like, get things done just like, in the last couple weeks, actually. So I'm just, like, really feeling like I'm on a turnaround with stuff like that. The first thing that really helped was switching my thyroid medication, because my thyroid being off just made me feel like a crazy person, and I felt like I was dying. So like, that was, like, the first thing that really helped, right? And then getting my Dexcom again, that helps. I mean, any everybody I feel like, should have a CGM of some sort, because, like, that data is just like, you know, you can't compete with that, you know, and it really helps you manage, yeah. So I got that, especially with ADHD, because, like, out of sight, out of mind, is terrible with diabetes, and it kind of like puts it in front of you all the time, and there has alerts and alarms that go off, you know, when you're going out of range. So, like that it's having a CGM is crucial for me in managing my diabetes. And so, yeah, I got that back and and now I'm, like, started ADHD meds, and that's helping me, actually, like, approach life. It's helped with my anxiety and my and my depression. And, you know, I can focus on things. I can handle routines better and and my mind is just clearer. And, yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm had

Scott Benner 42:13
you never tried those prior

Chelsea 42:15
ADHD meds. Yeah, I didn't get diagnosed with ADHD until, I don't know, 334, years ago, and they they started me on. I feel like this is common thing they do nowadays is they first try you on, like, Wellbutrin, okay, and it's not technically, like an ADHD Med, but it helps some people with ADHD. And it's like, I feel like they try that first. So, like, I did that. They also prescribed it to me for, like, seasonal depression. And, like, I didn't, I didn't really notice it doing anything. So I went off of that and and then I moved out here to Colorado, and I had to start the whole process over again with, you know, getting a new therapist, a new psychiatrist, and doing the meds again. And they're like, Okay, first, my psychiatrist is like, I even think you have ADHD, because I told her, like, I don't know. I did really good in school and stuff like that. She's like, I'm not so sure you have it. And I still don't know if she meant that or not. If she's just, like, talking out loud, I honestly don't know. Like, I had the diagnosis already So, but anyway, so she's like, let's treat your anxiety. Because I was really dealing with anxiety, really bad. She prescribes me Prozac. Take that. That helps a little bit, because when you're not super anxious, it helps you be a little more functional, right? So that helped a little bit, but I still felt like I was really struggling with ADHD. And so over months and months after that, she's like, Okay, well, maybe it is ADHD. Let's prescribe you something for it. So they put me back on Wellbutrin, and I reacted really terribly to it. This time I was mentally it really, it really messed up thinking like I was like, suicidal, like I was at a really bad day, one day, and I I really think I was gonna, like, go out.

Scott Benner 43:56
And the Wellbutrin made you feel that way. You think, yeah,

Chelsea 43:59
and I mean, for me, having thoughts of healing myself is not uncommon. Like, that's been, like a daily thing almost, you know, but like, I work through it just fine. And like, I know how to, like, cope with those thoughts and like, move on from them, but with, with whatever was going on in my brain, with the Wellbutrin, it's like I was incapable of working through that the way I normally do. And, and instead, I was like, I was like, diving into it and and didn't know how

Scott Benner 44:28
to pull out of it. Are you harming yourself physically?

Chelsea 44:33
No, but do you want me to go into it? I mean, I feel like it's

Scott Benner 44:37
if you want to be I mean, fine with me. If you want to talk about that's fine, okay,

Chelsea 44:42
I I've struggled with suicide ideation pretty seriously in the past, too, like in high school. And luckily, I've just had, like, people, good friends and stuff that that have kind of helped me, you know, stay afloat, I guess. But I learned how to like, deal with deal with it. It and work through it. And depression and anxiety has been part of my life for, I don't know, forever, but, yeah, like, self harm. I don't want, I've never been enticed by self harm, because if I, like, cut myself or something, you know, because I don't want people to see it, I don't want people to notice. I don't want people to comment on it, or, like, realize I'm struggling, like, if, if I wanted to go out and kill myself, you know, I want to do it without anybody knowing about it or having any idea that that it was going to happen, you know. Like, that's, I don't want to weigh people down, you know. Does that make sense? So

Scott Benner 45:35
when you say daily, like, daily now, still as an adult, and when you were younger,

Chelsea 45:41
yeah, ever since I was like, 16, yeah, kind of, kind of mostly since, like, since my dad lost his job back in high school, I mentally, I really started to struggle. It's kind of ebbed and flowed over the years, but yeah, and, and, you know, the thoughts of, like, I don't know, like, daily driving a car and having thoughts of, like, oh, it would just be nice, like, if a car just, like, swerved into my lane and hit me or something, you know, like, like, but you know,

Scott Benner 46:10
how long does that feeling last for? I'm

Chelsea 46:13
I move on, on from it pretty quickly. Like, you know that, you know, like, it's like a that would be nice. And then, and then move on.

Scott Benner 46:21
Have you ever seriously had a plan to to end your life when I was

Chelsea 46:25
in high school? Yeah, I was planning out several different ways I could possibly do it, and I was getting really close to, like, a point of maybe trying one of those ways. I know for me to this day, I won't, I don't want to know if I could kill myself by overdosing on insulin. I know like that's a thought I have, and I won't look up whether that would actually work or not, because I don't want to know if it would or not, because the ambiguity of that answer kind of keeps me from, you know, like pursuing it, okay? Does that make sense, or moving on from it to find a better solution that would be more sure? I feel like I've lived my whole life, kind of living in this space between wishing I was dead and trying not to die, and I feel like that's been most of my existence, and then just trying to find happiness, you know, in the middle of those two things along the way, even

Scott Benner 47:25
prior to your dad's losing his job, yeah,

Chelsea 47:29
yeah. I mean, I've been diabetic since I was two, and I think that's been really hard to I don't think I ever really learned how to cope with it. Well, I think that's

Scott Benner 47:39
cope with the knowledge that you just, do you have diabetes, or with the the day to day stuff? Yeah,

Chelsea 47:44
diabetes is an ADHD, and I think those two have been my biggest struggles. And not knowing I was ADHD made management hard because it's just like, why can't you just do it? Chelsea, why can't you just manage diabetes like other people are doing it, why can't you just do it? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know why I can't just do it, you know, like, I didn't have an answer. So I just start saying, like, Oh, I'm just forgetful, or I forgot, you know, playing it off like that. It's like, No, I'm not forgetting. Like, I'm aware of it. I just don't know how to, like, get it done. And that's the thing with ADHD, is like, it doesn't make sense. You can be like, I need to do the thing, but not feel like you can make yourself go do the thing you know. It's like there's a connection in your brain that just isn't happening to like, initiate the things you know you need to do and and, like diabetes, it requires you know, like, routine, motivation, self awareness, prioritizing, you know, like regulation, consistency, control, you know, like all these things and like ADHD makes all of those hard. Like, there's, you know, executive dysfunction. You know, struggle with like task initiation ADHD, people have an increased like difficulty with like developing habits and and maintaining routines and just being like, distractible, you know, like, like, all of the like, so, so put those two together and and give them to a kid, and it's just like you're just setting them up for failure, you know. And then don't tell them they have those struggles, those invisible struggles, and then expect them to do this really complex thing, to maintain, while also having all of these deficits that make all of those needs hard to meet. You know,

Scott Benner 49:28
so, but now that you're 29 Yeah, and you've, I mean, you listen to the podcast for a long time, right? Oh, yes, basically speaking, you understand that the management your diabetes is getting, setting straight Pre Bolus in your meals, not looking at high blood sugars. Don't over treat lows. You're pretty much you should, I mean, just that, should put you in like the mid sixes. Yeah, right. And is that not happening?

Chelsea 49:53
That all depends on remembering right. Like to do things, and I've always struggled. With just like maintenance. So yeah, and diabetes is constant maintenance. So I guess that's

Scott Benner 50:08
what happened. If alarm went off on your phone at 8:45am that said Bolus, and then it went off again at 850 and it said, Eat. Would you do that? Or do you think it actually wouldn't happen? I

Chelsea 50:21
think for a while that would work. I get frustrated with the whole alarm thing. People like, why don't you just set an alarm? I'm like, that works for like, a week. And then I'm like, Yeah, that's what I want to get to. Then I start turning off the alarms. Or, like, being like, okay, but right now I'm in the middle of something. I can't do that right now, and I'll, like, turn off the alarm, or I'll snooze it, and suddenly the alarm becomes less important, and then it loses its effectiveness, and then it just becomes irrelevant. Let me

Scott Benner 50:48
ask you a question. It's gonna sound like it's coming out of left field. Do you run out of gas often

Chelsea 50:52
in your car? Like, like, run it all the way down to low fuel, yeah? Like, like,

Scott Benner 50:56
when you're like, oh my god, the car is not running anymore. It doesn't have a gas in it. How do you ever run out of gas?

Chelsea 51:00
Like, completely, yeah. Like, it's that's happened once or twice, once or twice, but no time I've been driving cars

Scott Benner 51:07
not I had somebody tell me recently, a person who has ADHD, like, what's the thing where you pay for it and they come out triple A. I have triple A because of how frequently I run out of gas. And I was like, Wait, like, because your brain goes, I mean, just put gas in your car and, you know, like, well, they, you don't understand, I drive a lot of my car. Well, then every time you go out, put some gas in your car, like, like, that kind of like, feeling

Chelsea 51:33
it seems so simple, right? It seems like stupid simple. Just, it's so but I get it, like,

Scott Benner 51:38
right? It's so counterintuitive to how a person whose mind doesn't work that way, mind thinks that when it said to you, you're just like, wait, what? Like that's that's got to be the most frustrating part. It's something that is forget, like easy for other people, just happens automatically. You know what? I mean?

Chelsea 51:56
There's no way to explain it. And that's what's frustrating is people, it just makes you look like you're giving bad excuses for being lazy or forgetful or not.

Scott Benner 52:05
If you know that's not true, why can't you go past this part? Like, why do you care what people think of it? Like, stop telling them, just go do the thing that. Just go do it. Like, I'm afraid you're feeling judged all the time and stuck in that space.

Chelsea 52:19
Like that causes anxiety. But even if I'm not worried about what people think, it's like, I still struggle with these things, you know, and

Scott Benner 52:27
it's frustrating to you, because even though it's not a thing you're remembering to do, you can recognize it should be maybe,

Chelsea 52:34
yeah, yeah. And you're just like, why can't I just do what other people are doing? Like everybody's telling you you should be able to it's easy, and you can't, and you can't figure out why you can't, and you just like, it must be a willpower thing. I don't have enough willpower, and so you must stir up as much willpower as you possibly can. And then, okay, maybe you figure it out for like, a couple weeks, but then you run out of maintaining that willpower for you know, this extra willpower can't maintain it like it's doesn't feel sustainable. And then you just yeah, you fall back into Yeah. Just,

Scott Benner 53:14
did you hear the episode a couple of weeks ago with the person who said that GLP medications, they were using it for their daughter, and it ended up clearing a lot of her, like, bipolar issues. That's really cool. Yeah, sitting here, you know, listen, I got a weird job, right? I can't just blurt out everything that pops into my head, because if I say it's like, Oh, I wonder if this word work, there's gonna be somebody out there. It's like, I heard on a podcast that this works.

Chelsea 53:41
I didn't say that, right, right? What you say carries a lot of weight. It's

Scott Benner 53:45
tough, like, because I'd like to philosophize with you a little bit and, like, wonder out loud, but I know that there's, like, a small percentage of people are going to be like, I know for sure that that guy said that this works. And then you're going to go back and find it, and I'm going to go, oh yeah, he didn't say that, right? I was sitting here thinking, I wonder if there are any GLP trials for ADHD and and Psychology Today says that there are emerging discussions and some early stage research suggesting that GLP one receptor agonists such as ozempic might have potential benefits for treating ADHD symptoms. These medications are primarily used for managing type two diabetes, blah, blah, blah, but they also have effects on brain function that could be relevant for ADHD now, of course, at their current dosage levels, a person your size and your weight like you're not looking to not be hungry, you know what I mean. But I wonder what they're going to figure out, because so many things are are happening through these, these meds that are impacting autoimmune stuff, I think probably through, probably through inflammation. And I just wonder how much of your that you deal with every day isn't in some way, shape or form, inflammation, slash auto immune. Yeah. Anxiety or ADHD, or even depression. Like, I mean, you got to hear this episode that was just, I mean, I almost said nuts, but I don't mean it that way. It was crazy. Like, her kid has bipolar, and, yeah, and she discussed the things that trying to find the episode number, it's 1253, can GLP meds impact mental health? Super interesting. Yeah, you see, because if there are trials about gambling in GLP or, you know, like that kind of stuff, which is compulsions, right? Like, is it all like, what else is it going to impact, you know, like, I'm not saying I know anything, and I'm certainly not saying, I mean, you should really listen. If anybody is listening, I'm glad you like the podcast, but you probably really shouldn't listen to me, okay? But like, you know, it's just me wondering out loud, but it says here, studies indicate GLP, one agonist, can cross the blood brain barrier and influence neurotransmitter systems, including dopamine pathways, which are implicated in ADHD. Some research has shown that these drugs can improve cognitive function and reduce the impulsivity and hyperactivity in individuals with ADHD. However, the findings are preliminary, so, okay, they don't know for sure, but people are looking into

Chelsea 56:15
it. I'm saying that's interesting. Yeah,

Scott Benner 56:20
I think so too. Anyway, I don't know anything. You shouldn't listen to me. I'm just saying this is that. Let's just say this. Chelsea, nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan there. But I've had enough conversations that it popped into my head and I was like, I wonder if this wouldn't be something for her to like, I mean, you're gonna have to find a legit doctor to pick through these ideas. You know what? I mean, yeah,

Chelsea 56:47
I did. I mean, I did start by Vance that has helped my ADHD, like, wah, wah, wah, okay. And it's, it's been incredible, like, it's been like, almost emotional, the difference it is, and realizing I could function like this with the Vyvanse, and realizing I've gone my whole life not functioning or feeling this way, you know, like it's uh, so it's, it's Yeah, so I'm actually like, I'm on by Vance, and that helps my ADHD tremendously. And I feel like I'm actually capable of, like, getting a hold on my life, you know, like I felt like I was drowning before, and now I feel like I have the ability to, like, actually take care of things, you know, like, it's,

Scott Benner 57:30
yeah, no, it's wonderful. It says, it says vivance works by affecting the central nervous system to help improve focus attention. How does it do that? It's a pro drug, meaning it is inactive until it is metabolized in the body. Once ingested, it converts into the bloodstream to Dex C Trobe, oh, my God. Dexytro, an active form of the drug. Something else. Let's see, no neurotransmitters regulated, dopamine, long lasting effects, Binge Eating disorders are Vyvanse and GLP impacting similar things, if so, which brain function and cognitive effects GLP, one, metabolic regulation, distinct areas of impact Vyvanse Hold on a second, implications of treatment? Yeah. Okay, so Vyvanse is primarily focused on neurological effects related to ADHD and impulse control GLP have a broader range of metabolic effects with emerging potential for treating neurodegenerative diseases and possibly certain cognitive dysfunctions. Both types of medications show how treatments targeting one system of the body, nervous or metabolic, can have secondary effects on other systems, reflecting the interconnected nature of the body function. I don't know there's something. I mean, it sounds like somebody's looking into it already, but I'd keep abreast of that if I was you, because yeah,

Chelsea 58:56
yeah, that's really interesting. I'm curious to see if they find more, yeah, like, how it affects ADHD

Scott Benner 59:02
and, yeah, it's very cool. It's like, you saw an oncoming car and you were just like, whatever. Well, yeah,

Chelsea 59:07
well, since I started by Vance, like, My anxiety is better, my depression is better. And I, like, actually surprised me the other day, I was, like, pulling into an intersection. That's usually when I'm like, Oh, what if, like, I missed the car and it hit me and I died, you know, like, root over, like, I had that thought of, like, what if I got hit pulling through this intersection? It was like, That would be awful. And then I was like, whoa, wait, I think that would be awful. I don't want that to happen. And I was like, Oh my gosh. Like, yeah, I don't feel so overwhelmed by my day to day life that I actually want to be here. You know, that's, that's what ADHD does to people sometimes, like, yeah, you

Scott Benner 59:44
know, it's so funny. Like, like, I'm not saying that pharma companies don't do some stuff that I all, we all wish they wouldn't do. But like, when you hear a story like that, you're like, man, thank god somebody's out there trying to do stuff like that. That's really, like, miraculous, you know? Yeah. Yeah, wow. Is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have?

Chelsea 1:00:03
I don't know. We cover everything in that ridiculous list I sent you, not a ridiculous

Scott Benner 1:00:07
it was a great list. It's fantastic. Plus it stops me from, like, just rehashing things. That's my biggest fear about having people on like, more than once, is that I'll just forget what we talked about the first time, and then you'll be like, yeah, you already asked me all

Chelsea 1:00:19
this. I think the first time we were all over the place and what we talked about. So

Scott Benner 1:00:23
you're terrific. I'd make a podcast with you every day. You're fantastic. Thanks so much. No, seriously, seriously, I absolutely. I mean, as far as I mean,

Chelsea 1:00:31
I've got 27 years of experiences to share. So, yeah, trust

Scott Benner 1:00:36
me, I'm so old I can't remember the first 27 years of my experiences. What do you think of that? That weird to think one day you'll be an age where you'll look back on 29 and not really recall it,

Chelsea 1:00:45
yeah, like tomorrow.

Scott Benner 1:00:49
I like that idea because it reminds me that nothing that's happening right now is all that important, right, right? Just,

Chelsea 1:00:55
yeah, don't be forgotten. It's not that big a deal. Just

Scott Benner 1:00:59
isn't, you know, it's interesting. Hold on. I'm looking at the last little bit of your of your note here. I want to make sure I'm not forgetting anything. Oh, you're saying nice stuff about me. Oh, this is lovely. Thank you. You're like, I sent that email six months ago. You haven't read it yet. Asshole. Like, No,

Chelsea 1:01:15
I know you get a lot of

Scott Benner 1:01:17
emails, so I'm just seeing this for the first one is really nice. The Facebook community is helpful to you. That's excellent. You're glad the podcast reaches so many people. Oh, you're very nice. Thank you so much. Yeah, and you do a great thing, Scott, well, I'm fantastic. There's no other way it could go. You know what? I mean, Frodo was always getting that ring to Mordor. It just was in him. And I'm only thinking about that because you're

Chelsea 1:01:43
5454, you know, you wouldn't be the first person referring to me as a hobbit. So,

Scott Benner 1:01:49
I mean, it's pretty short. Are your parents short?

Chelsea 1:01:52
I come from a very average sized family.

Scott Benner 1:01:57
Least exciting thing I've ever heard anybody say in my life, we're average size people?

Chelsea 1:02:01
Yeah, everybody's pretty much just average. What

Scott Benner 1:02:04
does that mean? Five, seven for a guy? 598,

Chelsea 1:02:08
I don't know. I think that's about where my dad is at,

Scott Benner 1:02:13
yeah, yeah. Do you think your parents have any of the problems that you have, and have you ever spoken to them about it?

Chelsea 1:02:19
Well, we all have Hashimotos to not my last episode, yeah, my parents and all my siblings and me like mental health stuff, and my mom has, like, OCD, and I think probably ADHD too. I know my dad really struggles with, like, anxiety and depression, but he's never been, like, treated for it, you know. So I just know it's been a common struggle of his.

Scott Benner 1:02:42
But can I ask one question before I let you go? What if I said no? I mean, I guess we just end the podcast. Oh, okay, sure, you can ask questions. I think it would be sexier if you said no, because people always think it's funny when

Chelsea 1:02:55
people say, can I ask a question? Yeah, like, do most people saying yes. I feel like most people say, like, I don't know what the question is.

Scott Benner 1:03:01
Well, when I say, can I ask you a question? What I mean is I'm about to say something uncomfortable. Ready yourself.

Chelsea 1:03:10
Okay, go for it. Now, now, now I'm in. I'm curious. I'm more curious, what

Scott Benner 1:03:14
if you would have figured out that you were into lady bits earlier, and I almost said, dove in head first, which is not a joke I was trying to make. You're

Chelsea 1:03:24
trying to go back to your your previous I

Scott Benner 1:03:27
had no intention. I wanted to say, like, I wanted to say, and then you started up a relationship with a woman, and you were like, strictly lesbian. But then I started to say, dove in head first. Then I realized what was happening. I was like, Oh, that's fun. What if that happened? What if you just went the lesbian route at 17? Have you ever thought of that and then realized you wouldn't have you might not have your kids? And does that like, I wouldn't

Chelsea 1:03:47
have this amazing family I have? Yeah, how does that make you think Colorado living this crazy life I'm living? And also, before

Scott Benner 1:03:55
you answer, I want to be really clear, because now I'm hearing myself, this is not like an anti gay rant, like, I don't have any, I have none of those feelings. Like, I'm just wondering, like, because you've had such an epiphany, did it make you look back? Like, what's that Charles Dickens thing where the kid can't walk and then they get a turkey, like, that thing? Like, have you, like, almost like, the ghost of Christmas something, have you,

Chelsea 1:04:15
oh, yeah, because, like, that's, that's not a part of me ever got to experience, right? So there's like, a little bit of grief around that, like, I don't get to know what that's like, right? Yeah, that's hard to express to people, because people are like, okay, but you're married and you have a family, like, how could you say that? Like, that makes it sound like, I'm not grateful for what I have, either. Yeah, I don't think

Scott Benner 1:04:38
so. I was just wondering how it made you like, if you've ever thought, like, oh, that's crazy, I almost zigged instead of zagged, and then this wouldn't have happened. Yeah,

Chelsea 1:04:46
yeah. It's interesting to think about, because it's like, yeah, my life could be completely different if I wasn't severely depressed and suppressed this thing about me when I was a teenager, like, and, you know, I could have had a much to. For life. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird to think about the yeah,

Scott Benner 1:05:03
that's all I was actually, that's all I was saying, is that it's just weird to think about, like, no differently than if I walked out of my house decided to go for a run, which is ridiculous. So I'm not running anywhere, let's say a walk. And I just was like, I'm gonna go left, and then I go left, and then I get hit by a car, and then I realized, if I would have went right, I would have run into the ice cream man and got a bomb pop, like that kind of thing.

Chelsea 1:05:26
Yeah, yeah. It's a, it's, it's a curious thing to Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:05:31
Think about, do you ever get that ice cream and it has the gumball in the middle? That

Chelsea 1:05:35
sounds gross, it is. It's really hard, and you don't want to have ice cream and gum at the same time. That's awesome,

Scott Benner 1:05:41
though, because once you get it soft, it's a gumball Fantastic. All right, I think you gave me ADHD. What do you think of that? Well, Chelsea, I hope you know that it's obvious why I invited you back. I've now had a lovely time speaking to you again, even though I can say with some certainty, I don't remember talking to you the first time, but I do remember

Chelsea 1:06:01
those, like, what Episode Are you on now? Like,

Scott Benner 1:06:04
1260 something,

Chelsea 1:06:06
yeah, so that was like 500

Scott Benner 1:06:09
conversations ago. Think about all

Chelsea 1:06:12
the recordings You haven't even posted yet. So, I mean, it's, yeah, that's a lot of conversations. I don't know how you'd even I don't, I don't know. I don't know how you're saying, to be honest,

Scott Benner 1:06:22
if I'm saying that's, that's questionable. But 1269, went up today. Wow, yeah.

Chelsea 1:06:28
Because, like, for me, every conversation I have just like, I feel like lives in my head forever. So to do what you do, I think I would go insane, or you just become really numb to it. I don't know. Like, Oh, I just had a conversation, and you move on and you like, never think about it again. Like, like, like, that's gotta be, how you have to be to function at doing what you're doing, you know,

Scott Benner 1:06:49
well, so the way I think I handle it is, like, after this, I'll be tired for 10 minutes, like, I'll have almost have brain fog when this is over. Like, just like, wow, that was, like, a lot of listening, and

Chelsea 1:07:01
that, Chelsea girl, no, no, no, no. Might be even more, like, 12 minutes this time.

Scott Benner 1:07:06
Yeah, you maybe get me to 20 minutes. But, like, but I'm saying this is for everybody, right? Like, because I'm listening, I'm forming an opinion, trying not to talk over you. I'm trying to, you know, do a bunch of different things. I am keenly aware that people are listening to what I'm saying. So that's like, you, the whole world doesn't matter. You're just you're the guest. Nobody holds you accountable. Like you're fine, like, at one point in this conversation, you said something to the effect of and that impacted the whole thing. And I thought, don't make a lesbian joke like that actually popped in my head. I was like, don't, don't make the lesbian joke here, and like, and so because, why? Because it not because I thought it was, like, distasteful or weird or anything like that, although I'm sure some people think it is, but because it would have broke the flow of the conversation. Right there. It's like, now it's not the time to interject. Like, so I'm having a conversation with you, and then I'm having a conversation with myself, and I'm trying very hard to disseminate ideas to people who are listening, and I'm trying to keep those things all together while I'm talking to you. So I get really tired of

Chelsea 1:08:09
awareness. Yeah, that's a lot of mental focus gymnastics

Scott Benner 1:08:13
going on. So then I get off of here. I'm a little tired. I'll pet myself back up. I will definitely eat something because it uses up a ton of, like, calories talking and thinking, and then from there, I will integrate some of the things that you shared into my understanding of the world, but not specifically relate them to you, right? So I don't have to be that specific, a lot of

Chelsea 1:08:40
bookmarks to keep in your head. Yeah? Like, if you had to tag them to each person where those ideas came from,

Scott Benner 1:08:46
I couldn't possibly do that. So the way I look at the podcast is, so when I look at life, I think one of the sad things about life is that obviously it's finite and that there's only so much time to absorb things and experience things and then coalesce them and make sense of them, and then make better decisions based off of them. And as you get older and older and older and clearer and clearer, you almost don't give a anymore. Like, you know, you start getting to the spot where, like, Ah, I'm old. I'm gonna die in 15 years. Like, like, what, who? I don't care that I figured out something. Let them figure it out. But I think that's sad that we can't turn it back around and tell people like, you know, instead of struggling through the next 10 years, just listen to these five ideas and trust me, they're true, you know. Go look into them specifically, maybe you'll leap forward. So I see the conversations as the ability to leap forward. And I like that idea because it makes me feel like my understanding of the world will be farther along than it should have been if I wasn't making the podcast, and that maybe this conversation will hit people earlier and earlier in life, and I wonder how far they'll get along then,

Chelsea 1:09:51
yeah, exactly. I mean, like, what you do on the podcast is you let people share their experiences, and then people get to hear that and learn from that. You know, it's like. But I feel like, as a as a people, we've forgotten how to like, listen to each other and like, consider each other's opinions and and like, add that to our own like, understanding of the world and stuff, you know, like it, I feel like we're always like, so quick to be up in arms and defend our own thoughts that we don't leave enough space for other people's, you know. So

Scott Benner 1:10:19
it's my favorite part of doing this, like it really is, yeah, so it's a really, really cool thing you do. It's fun. I don't find it overwhelming. Like to answer your question, like, I just, I know I need a break. Because, I mean, there's just a lot of ways I know I need a break, but I am going to at some point miss this. Like, there are going to be four strangers on the island I'm going to who after I leave them are going to be like, I feel like that guy just interviewed me for a podcast. So I'll probably be very quiet for the first couple days. Then I won't be able to hold it anymore. We'll see what

Chelsea 1:10:54
happens you quiet. I want to know what you're like in normal conversations. You say, you say, you have all this thought processing and like, like mediating of yourself and for like, podcasts, what do you like in a normal

Scott Benner 1:11:07
I let it go in person, like I'm not, like, managing if I did, my wife would like me, but no, I just say whatever pops into my head. It is interesting to watch the four of us sit around and talk, because we all think similarly but differently. And it's interesting to watch us talk about I think it's interesting to listen to us talk about big world ideas, because we all bring a slightly different perspective. We are the people. This sounds douchey. Am I going to say that out loud? A lot of people in our lives come to us for answers.

Chelsea 1:11:44
So you guys, because you guys are

Scott Benner 1:11:46
open minded, right? I think so. I think I think open minded to think through things, and you don't like, I don't care where the thinking gets us, like, I'm not like, I'm not trying to make it turn out, in my opinion, it's so weird. You're not like,

Chelsea 1:11:59
you're not like, you're not like, trying to push people one way or another, but you're like, let's process ideas. I'm so

Scott Benner 1:12:04
opinionated, but I really, at the same time, I don't have an opinion about how people do things. Like, I have my opinion about how they do things. I don't, I don't. I'm missing. I'm using the wrong word. I have an opinion about everything. Like, I could have been a dick, just like everybody else in the world is during any of my episodes. Like somebody could be talking to me. I don't. Talking I be like, I don't agree with that. I think you made a mistake. But the truth is, like, I hope you're happy, and I heard some things that I think maybe you're keeping you from being happy, but I don't think me telling you that, and I don't mean you, I mean everybody I'm talking to. I don't think, generally, I don't think me saying it to you is going to change anything. And the truth is, is that I'd like for you to be happy, but if you're not, I'm still okay. And so

Chelsea 1:12:51
you didn't, you don't need to, like, put yourself in other people's spaces. I'm like,

Scott Benner 1:12:55
I don't understand when people care so much about stuff like that. Like, why do you have an opinion about how somebody votes or thinks or where they put their penis? Or, like, I don't understand any of that. Who cares?

Chelsea 1:13:07
I don't either. I don't know why people get so worked up over other people's decisions. I honestly it's something I don't understand either. So I guess we're both at a loss.

Scott Benner 1:13:17
I remember seeing that news story about the guy who wanted to have sex with a bridge? I like, wanted to, like, marry a bridge, whatever. Listen, if you're gonna marry it, you're gonna have sex with and if you're not, I don't understand you either. But I remember hearing that for the first time 20 years ago, probably, and thinking, like, Huh, that's weird. And then I was like, but the bridge can't move. Like, how's he gonna like, they can't live together. Is he gonna live at the bridge? Are they gonna

Chelsea 1:13:46
have sex? Like, what are the pragmatics of all of this? Yeah, like, is

Scott Benner 1:13:49
he gonna adopt meaning, like, will he go build trellises over top of small streams and be like, that's our baby. I thought about all that stuff, like, for a split second, and I went,

Chelsea 1:13:58
Oh, okay, okay, yeah, move on with my life. I would

Scott Benner 1:14:03
never run around going, you know, there are some people who want to have sex with a bridge. We have to fix it. We don't need to fix it. We're good. It's fine,

Chelsea 1:14:10
great. Anyway, I don't need to trouble myself with

Scott Benner 1:14:13
that. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure somebody will take that completely out of context and be like, You know what he's for? He's for having sex with bridges. I heard him say it on the podcast. I'm gonna go into every private Facebook group now for diabetes and tell everybody what a scumbag. Like, I know who you are out there, by the way, and I'm just, you know, I'm thinking of a couple of people specifically,

Chelsea 1:14:31
and I hope you follow this month. Scott has had it. I can't take

Scott Benner 1:14:35
your fingers anymore. Like, seriously, you small minded heads running around trying to undermine my thing like it's not working, like here, Chelsea, can I say something? Because only the fans are listening now, yes, I'll give you permission. All right. I'm speaking directly to a handful of people in the world, not many more. I'm sorry, my thing's more popular than yours. It's not my fault. Yelling about me is. Isn't gonna make your thing more popular. I don't know why people don't like you, but they don't there.

Chelsea 1:15:09
Do you feel better? No,

Scott Benner 1:15:10
it doesn't make me feel any better to know that there are four lunatics in the world who are out there like complaining out loud that they think I'm their problem that is annoying. You don't know me, you don't you do not know me. You still don't know me. You could listen to every one of these episodes and you still don't know me. I probably agree with you about some of the stuff you're complaining about. It's a weird position to be in. Absolutely this, this exactly. I love how I've turned this into a conversation about me. I'm really, no,

Chelsea 1:15:42
I like it. Oh yeah, I'm a listener usually, so I like it when other people talk about

Scott Benner 1:15:48
them. Yeah, I'm very interesting. And it's exciting for you to hear about me. I hear what you're getting at. It is exciting. Now, I got to go, because I think we just went over time, and the guy's going to charge me more to edit this now. Oh, shoot. Well, I'm sending you a bill.

Chelsea 1:16:04
Forget that. Well, I'm too poor, so I won't get paid.

Scott Benner 1:16:07
Also, while I'm while I'm complaining to people. Chelsea, yep, yes, I think we're in a bonus time. Anyway, great. My cell phone bill was higher this month because I had to call internationally because my person who helps me with Facebook is an international person, so when I call them, I have to pay extra, and I had to call her so many times this month to talk about you nudniks That my bill went up, and I'm going to send, I know the I know the specific nudnik. I send the freaking bill to him and be like, Listen, you owe me $50 for my at&t bill, because that's how crazy you are. And also, I don't want to make it feel like the group is crazy. The group is lovely. It's literally, it is lovely. It's like, very, really great

Chelsea 1:16:52
people. Oh,

Scott Benner 1:16:53
my God, I'm gonna just, I don't know what to do. All right. This is I gotta go on vacation. I gotta go goodbye.

Chelsea 1:17:01
Scott's out.

Scott Benner 1:17:03
You heard the end of it? If this is the last one, you know peace, love and soul, I hope. What did Ringo say? Peace and Love, peace and love. But after the Have you ever heard that? Nope. Hold on a second. Ringo star, peace and love. This is important. It is incredibly going over. It actually. It actually intersects it. Let's see. At some point Ringo Starr had been so, like, inundated with people asking for him to have, like, things signed and stuff like that. Hold on a second. What was his message to followers about no longer signing things. It's hilarious. If you can find the audio, yeah, it's coming up right now. The direct quote is this, he gets on like, this is before people shared a lot of things with like, you know, video. He gets on this little video, and he goes, and you gotta imagine this in a British accent. He goes, this is a serious message to everyone watching my update right now, peace and love. Peace and love. I want to tell you, please, after the 20th of October, do not send fan mail to any address that you have. He goes on, and he's like, it's gonna be thrown in the rubbish. I just thought, like, I'm not equating myself to a beetle. I just want to be very clear about that, but you can relate. I can I can relate a little bit about his he was just like, leave me alone. Just

Chelsea 1:18:38
please

Scott Benner 1:18:41
hold on. I think I found it. Yeah, it's 42 seconds long, serious

Speaker 1 1:18:45
message to everybody watching my update right now, peace and love. Peace and love. I want to tell you, please, after the 20th of October, do not send fan mail to any address that you have, nothing will be signed after the 20th of October. If that has a date on the envelope, it's going to be top when you put out the tone,

Scott Benner 1:19:12
as you say, hilarious.

Chelsea 1:19:14
He's like the tone in his voice. He's just

Scott Benner 1:19:16
like you guys have got to I can my whole life. Can't be signing your goddamn record sleeves. Get me out of this. Would you please? I'm glad you like Rubber Soul, but it's fantastic. Anyway, the life of a celebrity, I feel like I feel like that just a little bit right now, and I'm gonna go take a break. So do you consider yourself a celebrity? No, you think of yourself that way. I do not know, but I well, you are so sorry. That's ridiculous. No, that's really, that's really strange. Like, yeah, no, that doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Chelsea 1:19:51
I think it's funny that, like you, you have a hard time like thinking of yourself that way. There's a role of duct tape. Obviously, that's how you're treated. You are a celebrity like you. Were like the diabetes community. Celebrity, you're up there for

Scott Benner 1:20:04
sure. Well, not to these four, those four people. They're very they're very upset. They want to be them. Listen, by the way, God bless. Go be the diabetes celebrity. Leave me the phone. I don't want that. I'm not looking you don't need to revere Me like I'm just making a podcast, for God's sakes such a silly thing. Oh, my God, everyone's gonna have a, you know, any podcasts there are, at this point, a lot. Yeah, way too

Chelsea 1:20:26
many. I don't know, I pretty much just listen to

Scott Benner 1:20:29
this one so well, that makes sense. Mine's the best. But I do really wish I shouldn't say this out loud.

Chelsea 1:20:36
It's okay. You can edit out whatever you want, right? I'm

Scott Benner 1:20:39
not going to that. I would like to make a podcast that's not about diabetes one day. But I think, would you talk about just like anything? Oh, my God. You have no idea of lists and lists of things that I think I would like to talk about. Of Scott Benner, no, they're not deep. They're just, I don't know. I'm sure there are plenty of people who hate me, but there are a lot of people who don't. And I think I'd like to conversate with those people more often. And I think that I'm being limited to some degree, because this is a diabetes podcast, and people are there are plenty of people who won't try it, even though, if you go back and listen this hour and a half, I don't mean you have diabetes, but that's pretty much the extent of like, diabetes in this podcast. You know what? I mean? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, this that and the other thing I gotta go. Hold on one second, Chelsea.

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