#1764 Tandem Kids: Leah
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Scott interviews 8-year-old Leah at the Friends for Life conference. Leah was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes in August 2024 and shares her perspective on transitioning to life with a pump and CGM.
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Scott Benner (0:00) I attended my first ever Friends for Life conference in July 2025. (0:05) And while I was there, I interviewed eight children of various ages, all who wear a Tandem pump. (0:10) I wanna thank Tandem Diabetes for sponsoring this short episode of the Juice Box podcast. (0:16) Check them out at tandemdiabetes.com/juicebox. (0:22) Nothing you hear on the Juice Box podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise.
Scott Benner (0:28) Always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. (0:35) The episode you're about to listen to is sponsored by Tandem Moby, the impressively small insulin pump. (0:41) Tandem Mobi features Tandem's newest algorithm, Control IQ Plus technology. (0:46) It's designed for greater discretion, more freedom, and improved time and range. (0:50) Learn more and get started today at tandemdiabetes.com/juicebox.
Scott Benner (1:06) Are you nervous?
Leah (1:07) A little bit.
Scott Benner (1:08) Yeah. (1:08) I'm a little nervous, though. (1:09) Don't worry about it. (1:10) It's okay. (1:10) You ready?
Scott Benner (1:11) Okay. (1:12) Hi. (1:13) Hello. (1:14) What's your name?
Leah (1:15) My name is Leah.
Scott Benner (1:16) Leah. (1:17) I'm Scott. (1:18) It's nice to meet you.
Leah (1:20) Nice to meet you too.
Scott Benner (1:21) Thank you. (1:22) How old are you?
Leah (1:23) I'm eight years old.
Scott Benner (1:24) Eight. (1:25) And you have type one diabetes?
Leah (1:27) Yes.
Scott Benner (1:28) For how long?
Leah (1:30) I've had it since 08/26/2024.
Scott Benner (1:35) Oh, wait. (1:36) Not even a whole year yet? (1:37) No. (1:38) Wow. (1:38) That's pretty new then.
Leah (1:40) How are you doing? (1:41) Good.
Scott Benner (1:42) Yeah? (1:43) You you're just okay? (1:44) It's no big deal? (1:45) Do you check your blood sugar or do
Leah (1:47) you Yeah. (1:47) I check my blood sugar by myself. (1:51) Sometimes I dose by myself Yeah. (1:53) When I'm home alone with my sister.
Scott Benner (1:56) Oh, wow. (1:56) That's awesome. (1:57) So do you remember anything about getting type one? (1:59) Do you remember about being diagnosed or what it was like?
Leah (2:02) I remember laying I remember waiting what felt like forever in in the emergency room waiting place. (2:13) And then
Scott Benner (2:15) I just get called in, and we just go into the small room and take some tests. (2:20) And then I have to go into this big room with this large bed, and they tell
Leah (2:25) me to just pop on the bed.
Scott Benner (2:26) Right.
Leah (2:27) And then they take a finger prick, and it hurt it and it hurt so much.
Scott Benner (2:33) Yeah.
Leah (2:34) And then it it was already past lunchtime, so I was pretty hungry. (2:40) And so I was just waiting there Yeah. (2:43) While watching TV on a big hospital bed. (2:49) And eventually they put an IV in.
Scott Benner (2:51) Yep.
Leah (2:53) But before they did that, they put on numbing cream and told me to wait there for thirty minutes.
Scott Benner (3:00) And then they They
Leah (3:00) kept me there for an hour.
Scott Benner (3:02) Did they how how many days did you spend at the hospital?
Leah (3:04) I didn't spend any days. (3:06) I spent hours.
Scott Benner (3:07) Wait. (3:07) So you went into the hospital, got diagnosed, and then you left the same day?
Leah (3:11) I left the same day except I was there for so long.
Scott Benner (3:15) Wow. (3:16) I know it is.
Leah (3:17) I was there for maybe four hours.
Scott Benner (3:18) Gotcha. (3:19) Wow. (3:19) That's pretty short for most people. (3:21) I know some people were in the hospital for five days after they were diagnosed. (3:23) Wow.
Scott Benner (3:24) Right? (3:24) They had to be they had to live there. (3:26) So when you left, what was your understanding of what your new situation was?
Leah (3:30) I had no clue what was happening. (3:33) My mom and my dad didn't tell me I had type one diabetes. (3:37) They just they just took me to my Gigi and Papa's house, and so and it's helpful because my papa's a doctor Mhmm. (3:48) And my DD used to be a nurse.
Scott Benner (3:50) Okay.
Leah (3:51) So
Scott Benner (3:51) Did they help explain it?
Leah (3:54) I didn't really get explained to it
Scott Benner (3:57) Yeah.
Leah (3:57) By the next day.
Scott Benner (3:59) Okay.
Leah (3:59) And so I just ate mostly just, like, carb free foods for dinner and breakfast. (4:08) And then we just drove to UVM. (4:12) Mhmm. (4:13) And they just kept me there for most of the day.
Scott Benner (4:19) And This is your biggest problem with diabetes, the time it takes,
Leah (4:22) Yep.
Scott Benner (4:23) Yeah. (4:23) I see this.
Leah (4:24) It just takes time.
Scott Benner (4:25) It takes time. (4:26) It does take time. (4:27) So what do they give you to manage with it first? (4:29) Is it like pens? (4:31) Do you get needles and vials?
Scott Benner (4:32) Do you remember how you got insulin in the beginning?
Leah (4:36) They didn't give me insulin at the hospital
Scott Benner (4:38) No.
Leah (4:38) The day when I got diagnosed, which why didn't they give me insulin
Scott Benner (4:43) I don't know.
Leah (4:44) If I needed it?
Scott Benner (4:44) I think they probably wanted you to get training before they gave you insulin maybe. (4:48) You think?
Leah (4:49) Yeah. (4:50) I think so. (4:52) But the but at the day of Nuvian, I learned I had to take shots. (4:58) I had to take my blood sugar, and they even gave me this little eel meal for breakfast to eat.
Scott Benner (5:03) Yeah. (5:03) So that you could bolus for it?
Leah (5:05) No. (5:06) I didn't have the pump.
Scott Benner (5:07) Oh, but did you
Leah (5:08) So I had been I
Scott Benner (5:10) I said bolus. (5:11) I should have said inject. (5:12) You had to inject for it. (5:13) Right?
Leah (5:14) Yes.
Scott Benner (5:14) Yeah. (5:14) Okay. (5:15) And that was your first time?
Leah (5:16) Mom and dad how to do it. (5:18) And, eventually, I got to go down there. (5:22) And and then I got I got to go down there with mom and dad, like, to the Bottom Floor. (5:29) And we went to we went to this little, like, shop, and I got this little Barbie diary. (5:37) I still have it in my room.
Scott Benner (5:39) Yeah.
Leah (5:40) And on one end on some of the first pages, I wrote down stuff, but I couldn't really understand it when I read it the next time.
Scott Benner (5:49) Come because you couldn't read your writing?
Leah (5:51) No. (5:51) I could read it. (5:52) Oh. (5:53) It was just like a lot of, like, nutrition words.
Scott Benner (5:55) New words.
Leah (5:55) One of the words I really understood when I read it again one time was carbs.
Scott Benner (6:01) Carbs. (6:02) Because you count your carbs all the time now. (6:04) Right?
Leah (6:04) Yep.
Scott Benner (6:04) Yeah. (6:05) And you take you said sometimes you bolus for yourself now? (6:07) Yeah. (6:08) But how did you get from injecting to bolusing? (6:10) What did you do?
Leah (6:11) Okay. (6:11) So first, I had so I spent a couple maybe a month or a couple weeks with injecting and finger pricking.
Scott Benner (6:23) Right.
Leah (6:24) And then I got told I didn't have to do the finger pricking anymore. (6:28) I could just get a Dexcom.
Scott Benner (6:30) So you have a Dexcom now, but you're still doing injections? (6:33) No. (6:34) No. (6:34) You moved to a pump?
Leah (6:36) I moved to the Tandem pump. (6:39) I go onto my phone, open up, and then I type in my passcode, open up the Mobi thing, and then there's this little, like, thing of, like, words down at the bottom. (6:51) And so the words are dashboard, which I'm usually at to see my blood sugar Mhmm. (6:58) And and and some stuff. (7:00) And there's then there's bolus, which I just press, put, and then there's two and these three boxes.
Leah (7:08) The top shows you the insulin. (7:11) The bottom right one shows you your blood sugar.
Scott Benner (7:16) K.
Leah (7:16) And then the bottom left one, you can just type it. (7:24) You just push it and then type in the carbs. (7:28) So say I'm eating Pringles and I want 15 chips.
Scott Benner (7:32) Real quick. (7:33) What kind of Pringles? (7:34) The sour cream? (7:34) Original. (7:35) Original?
Scott Benner (7:36) Red ones? (7:36) Okay.
Leah (7:37) Because I did this just yesterday. (7:39) Mhmm. (7:39) I I took the Pringles, looked at the nutrition facts. (7:42) It said 15 crisps, and then it said 16 carbs. (7:48) So I just went into my phone, put in 16 carbs, and it took showed me the amount of insulin I needed to get.
Leah (7:58) And then I just press next, confirm, and then you drop this little, like, droplet. (8:05) You push that little droplet, and then it uses face ID, and it just
Scott Benner (8:10) Makes your bolus. (8:11) Yeah. (8:11) It's awesome. (8:12) Is it easy?
Leah (8:14) Pretty easy.
Scott Benner (8:15) Do you like it differently or better or worse than injections?
Leah (8:18) I like it a lot better than injections.
Scott Benner (8:20) How come?
Leah (8:22) I can't really feel it.
Scott Benner (8:23) You don't feel it? (8:24) No. (8:25) That's awesome. (8:25) That's right. (8:26) I think you're gonna grow up to be a technical writer, by the way, because when you explain something, it is very thorough and I understand everything while you're talking.
Scott Benner (8:33) So thank you very much. (8:34) I appreciate that. (8:35) Do people find that they understand you when you're talking, do you think?
Leah (8:40) Pretty sure.
Scott Benner (8:41) Pretty sure?
Leah (8:41) But I know some I know a lot of non diabetics.
Scott Benner (8:46) Okay.
Leah (8:46) And they are all like, so how's your diabetes going? (8:50) Like, it's my pet. (8:52) And I'm like
Scott Benner (8:53) Wait. (8:53) They treat your diabetes like it's a pet?
Leah (8:55) Like, how's
Scott Benner (8:56) how's Fido?
Leah (8:57) They're like, how's your diabetes going? (8:59) And I'm like, it's going good.
Scott Benner (9:01) It's going good.
Leah (9:02) I'm just trying to hold back my anger.
Scott Benner (9:05) Why? (9:05) You don't like do
Leah (9:06) you not? (9:06) Doesn't understand at all.
Scott Benner (9:08) So you would like it if she understood it better? (9:09) Yeah. (9:10) Do you
Leah (9:10) I want people to understand it better.
Scott Benner (9:12) Yeah. (9:12) Do you explain it to them or do you find that they're not interested?
Leah (9:15) I just I just know that, people are, like, trying their best, so I don't say, hey. (9:24) You're wrong. (9:25) It's actually, how have you been since you've been die how have you been with your diabetes?
Scott Benner (9:34) Mhmm.
Leah (9:34) And I could just say, I've been pretty good handling my diabetes.
Scott Benner (9:42) Yeah. (9:42) You're doing well? (9:43) Do you know what your a one c is?
Leah (9:45) No. (9:45) I can't remember.
Scott Benner (9:46) No. (9:47) That's okay.
Leah (9:47) I don't pay attention to all that stuff.
Scott Benner (9:49) All the numbers.
Leah (9:50) Mom and dad do.
Scott Benner (9:51) They do that stuff? (9:52) Yeah.
Leah (9:52) What do you what
Scott Benner (9:53) do you do at the doctor's office when you have an appointment though? (9:55) Do just sit there and hang out?
Leah (9:57) I just sit there, and a lot of times I bring my sister. (10:00) She's the only entertainment I've got when I go there.
Scott Benner (10:03) How many brothers and sisters do you have?
Leah (10:05) I have one brother, Joey, who is six years old, and then I have an older sister, Juliana, who's 11 years old.
Scott Benner (10:15) Does anybody else have type one diabetes in your family?
Leah (10:19) Not type one.
Scott Benner (10:21) Okay.
Leah (10:21) There is someone in my family with type two, though.
Scott Benner (10:24) Okay. (10:25) And how about you you have friends at school, but do any of them have diabetes?
Leah (10:31) My principal and school nurse have diabetes. (10:35) Oh, wow. (10:36) Type two, though.
Scott Benner (10:36) Type two, not type one. (10:38) Gotcha. (10:38) So you are you the only have you ever met another person with type one? (10:42) I mean, you're gonna meet a lot of them here, but where where did you meet that person?
Leah (10:47) At dance class. (10:48) Dance class. (10:49) Yeah.
Scott Benner (10:49) So is that something you like doing, dancing?
Leah (10:51) I like dancing. (10:53) Dancing and theater are my hobbies.
Scott Benner (10:55) They're your hobbies. (10:55) You don't play sports. (10:56) You do dancing in theater?
Leah (10:57) I do do sports. (10:59) I play, like, soccer
Scott Benner (11:01) Mhmm.
Leah (11:02) And dance and theater. (11:06) Those are my three main hobbies.
Scott Benner (11:08) How do you manage your diabetes with soccer and dance? (11:13) Is there stuff you have to do that's special or
Leah (11:16) anything? (11:16) Parents are always there every time I go to soccer.
Scott Benner (11:23) Yeah.
Leah (11:23) But with dance, they just drop me off and say goodbye.
Scott Benner (11:26) Story out of car.
Leah (11:27) We'll call
Scott Benner (11:28) Did they
Leah (11:29) Heather we'll call either you or miss Heather if we need it.
Scott Benner (11:32) Yeah.
Leah (11:33) But I usually have my watch on me. (11:35) Mhmm. (11:35) So I can just be like like this.
Scott Benner (11:38) That's where you see your blood pressure.
Leah (11:39) Open up my watch, just go down, and then I go into sweet dreams. (11:46) Fetching my readings or things for And then looking 64 right now.
Scott Benner (11:50) That's a nice steady line you have there.
Leah (11:51) Yeah. (11:52) That's awesome.
Scott Benner (11:53) So you don't have to do any special settings to go dancing
Leah (11:55) or to I do. (11:57) They, the pump has exercise mode, which actually lowers my insulin that I get while I'm doing that.
Scott Benner (12:07) Yep.
Leah (12:07) And they and the people at UVM actually decided to make me a profile for exercise.
Scott Benner (12:14) Okay.
Leah (12:15) And we call it dance profile because whenever I'm exercising, it's usually dance.
Scott Benner (12:22) Yeah. (12:23) And your buncher tries to go down so they put in a different profile and it doesn't happen like that.
Leah (12:27) Well, it goes down, but
Scott Benner (12:30) Not the same way.
Leah (12:31) Not the same way. (12:32) What if I didn't have that stuff?
Scott Benner (12:33) If you get low, what's your favorite, food to make your blood sugar go back?
Leah (12:37) Sour Skittles.
Scott Benner (12:38) Sour Skittles?
Leah (12:40) Yeah. (12:40) Sour Skittles are delicious.
Scott Benner (12:42) How often do you have sour Skittles? (12:44) Is it a daily thing? (12:46) No. (12:46) No. (12:46) Not every day.
Leah (12:47) It's not daily. (12:47) Oh. (12:48) Don't get many loads.
Scott Benner (12:50) Mhmm.
Leah (12:51) But if I do, I usually have gummy clusters.
Scott Benner (12:55) Okay. (12:55) Nerds gummy clusters. (12:57) That's the squishy in the middle and then the Nerds stuck to the outside. (13:00) Yeah. (13:01) They're not bad.
Scott Benner (13:02) They're not bad at all, but sour Skittles. (13:05) What do you do when you're sleeping and you're low? (13:07) Like in the middle of the night when your mom or dad comes up?
Leah (13:09) My mom my mom probably either put some Nerds gummy clusters in my mouth Mhmm. (13:17) And doesn't wake me up.
Scott Benner (13:18) You chew them up in your sink?
Leah (13:19) Or she just wakes me up, and she's like, hey. (13:23) Can you take some she and she's like, hey. (13:26) And then she just keeps, like, giving me nerds, going to question, and I'm like, what's my blood sugar?
Scott Benner (13:32) You ask? (13:32) Do you ask? (13:32) You wanna know
Leah (13:33) what's I ask what's my blood sugar.
Scott Benner (13:35) Right.
Leah (13:36) And then they just tell me a a number that it's either not low, but drops, like, a lot of points Mhmm. (13:44) Or it's just low.
Scott Benner (13:47) Just low, and you have to take care of it.
Leah (13:48) Yeah.
Scott Benner (13:49) Yeah. (13:49) How does it how does it feel to know that your parents are helping you all the time? (13:55) Do you like
Leah (13:55) Feels great because then I don't then I don't have to do all the work.
Scott Benner (13:59) Yeah. (14:00) What's the part of the diabetes that you don't like the most?
Leah (14:02) Sometimes I I just I'm like, hey, mom. (14:06) Here's my phone. (14:07) Can you polish me, please?
Scott Benner (14:09) Oh, my daughter does that sometimes, but
Leah (14:10) Even even if my dad told me the carbs, not my mom, I'm like, can you bully me, please?
Scott Benner (14:17) Do you like it when somebody takes care of it?
Leah (14:19) Yeah. (14:19) I don't wanna I don't wanna bully myself.
Scott Benner (14:21) What do you think the biggest change in your life has been since you got diabetes? (14:25) Has anything changed?
Leah (14:27) A lot of things have changed. (14:29) Sometimes I have to sit out because I'm low. (14:32) Yeah. (14:34) And then sometimes eventually my dad's like, hey. (14:40) You have to sit down because you're low, and then he just gives me stuff.
Leah (14:46) And, also, kids say that they're, like, jealous of me because they're like, I wanna have diabetes.
Scott Benner (14:54) To get the Skittles?
Leah (14:56) Just for the candy.
Scott Benner (14:57) Just for the candy. (14:58) Yeah.
Leah (14:58) And I'm like, you don't wanna be, like, shoveling candy in your mouth.
Scott Benner (15:05) It's not fun. (15:06) Right?
Leah (15:06) Wait. (15:06) I could just tell him.
Scott Benner (15:07) You yeah.
Leah (15:08) You're not always gonna have to eat it. (15:10) Sometimes you're gonna have to take the stinky stuff, and it's really, really stinky.
Scott Benner (15:16) What is stinky? (15:17) Wait. (15:18) What's that?
Leah (15:18) The the insulin.
Scott Benner (15:20) Oh, really?
Leah (15:20) I think the insulin's stinky.
Scott Benner (15:22) You don't like the way it smells?
Leah (15:23) I don't like the
Scott Benner (15:24) way People say they think it smells like Band Aids. (15:26) Do you think that?
Leah (15:27) No. (15:27) That's not true.
Scott Benner (15:28) That's not what it tastes like smells like to you? (15:30) What's it smell like?
Leah (15:31) It smells like something that'd be in a scientific project.
Scott Benner (15:34) Yeah. (15:35) Like a hospital? (15:36) Does it smell like the hospital? (15:37) Yeah. (15:38) I've heard people say that too.
Leah (15:39) Well, the hospital more smells like alcohol pads.
Scott Benner (15:42) Yeah. (15:43) How did you decide to get a tandem pump? (15:45) Did you see a bunch of pumps and pick? (15:47) Did your mom tell I
Leah (15:48) didn't get to pick. (15:50) My mom and dad were just like, my no one told me I'd get a tandem. (15:55) I just found out the name and I'm like, okay. (15:57) I have this pump now.
Scott Benner (15:58) Yeah. (15:59) And you like it? (16:00) Yeah. (16:00) I like it. (16:01) Awesome.
Scott Benner (16:01) That's a good review.
Leah (16:03) I like it.
Scott Benner (16:04) Yeah. (16:04) You like it? (16:04) You like not giving yourself shots. (16:06) Right?
Leah (16:07) Oh, I hate giving myself shots.
Scott Benner (16:09) You didn't like that?
Leah (16:10) But sometimes even when my brother or sister are like, I don't wanna get my shots. (16:15) I don't wanna get my shots. (16:16) I'm like, I'll I'll get your shots for you.
Scott Benner (16:18) Yeah.
Leah (16:19) So that way they don't have to take the shots.
Scott Benner (16:21) What do
Leah (16:22) you I like
Scott Benner (16:23) Can you tell me one thing you really love about the pump?
Leah (16:27) I got a choice. (16:29) Push in or pop in.
Scott Benner (16:30) Pushing or pop in. (16:31) So you like the choice of how it goes in? (16:33) Yes. (16:34) Awesome. (16:34) That's right.
Leah (16:35) I like knowing that I get to decide what I want.
Scott Benner (16:39) Yeah. (16:39) I like that too. (16:40) I've been married a long time, so I haven't made a decision in a while, but I remember it and it is fun. (16:44) Do you have any heroes that have diabetes? (16:46) Anybody?
Leah (16:47) Who? (16:48) Stacy McGill.
Scott Benner (16:49) Stacy McGill? (16:50) Who is she?
Leah (16:50) From the babysitter's club.
Scott Benner (16:52) Oh, from the babysitter's club. (16:54) That's your that's your hero? (16:55) That's awesome. (16:55) How many times do think you've read that book?
Leah (16:58) A lot.
Scott Benner (16:59) Yeah. (17:00) Do you read it yourself? (17:01) Does your dad read it to you?
Leah (17:02) I don't like my dad reading to me. (17:04) Oh, tell me what super tired, I'm like, I'm about to fall asleep. (17:09) I like my dad reading to me if that happens.
Scott Benner (17:12) Do you ever do sleepovers or go to your friend's house? (17:14) And how do you handle your diabetes with that?
Leah (17:17) My mom usually calls me when I'm at a friend's house.
Scott Benner (17:20) Mhmm.
Leah (17:21) Except I haven't had my first sleepover.
Scott Benner (17:24) No? (17:25) No. (17:26) Are you so is that a thing you used to do that you don't do anymore or just just haven't had a chance?
Leah (17:30) I just haven't ever had a chance.
Scott Benner (17:33) Okay. (17:33) Would you like to do that?
Leah (17:36) Yeah.
Scott Benner (17:36) Who are you more like when it comes to
Leah (17:39) I feel like daddy.
Scott Benner (17:41) Really? (17:41) Interesting.
Leah (17:42) Yeah. (17:43) Because daddy's always in control.
Scott Benner (17:44) He's in control?
Leah (17:45) He's always telling you, like, what to do.
Scott Benner (17:51) Well
Leah (17:52) He's always like, you have to make your bed.
Scott Benner (17:54) Oh my gosh. (17:55) Make your bed? (17:57) Yeah. (17:57) Does he make you pick up your dirty clothes too? (18:00) Yeah.
Scott Benner (18:01) This is ridiculous. (18:02) You don't have time for that. (18:03) What what do you wanna be doing?
Leah (18:05) Watching TV.
Scott Benner (18:05) Leah, this was really nice of you to do with me. (18:07) Thank you very much. (18:08) I appreciate this. (18:09) Thank you. (18:10) Did you have a good time?
Leah (18:10) Yeah.
Scott Benner (18:11) Me too. (18:11) Awesome. (18:12) Good job. (18:13) Thank you. (18:14) The podcast you just enjoyed was sponsored by Tandem Diabetes Care.
Scott Benner (18:18) Learn more about Tandem's newest automated insulin delivery system, Tandem Mobi with Control IQ plus technology at tandemdiabetes.com/juicebox. (18:28) There are links in the show notes and links at juiceboxpodcast.com. (18:33) If you'd like to hear about diabetes management in easy to take in bits, check out the small sips. (18:39) That's the series on the juice box podcast that listeners are talking about like it's a cheat code. (18:44) These are perfect little bursts of clarity, one person said.
Scott Benner (18:47) I finally understood things I've heard a 100 times. (18:50) Short, simple, and somehow exactly what I needed. (18:53) People say small sips feels like someone pulling up a chair, sliding a cup across the table, and giving you one clean idea at a time. (19:02) Nothing overwhelming. (19:03) No fire hose of information.
Scott Benner (19:04) Just steady helpful nudges that actually stick. (19:07) People listen in their car, on walks, or rather actually bolus ing anytime that they need a quick shot of perspective. (19:14) And the reviews, they all say the same thing. (19:17) Small sips makes diabetes make sense. (19:20) Search for the Juice Box podcast, small sips, wherever you get audio.
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