#1778 Doctor Mom
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Pediatrician and mother Jen shares how her daughter’s Type 1 diagnosis reshaped her medical practice and how the Pro Tip series helped her move from clinical theory to practical management.
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Scott Benner (0:0) Here we are back together again, friends, for another episode of the Juice Box podcast.
Jen (0:15) My name is Jen. (0:16) I'm a pediatrician and a mom to three kids. (0:18) My oldest was diagnosed with type one diabetes about a year and a half ago.
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Jen (3:17) My name is Jen. (3:18) I'm a pediatrician and a mom to three kids. (3:20) My oldest was diagnosed with type one diabetes about a year and a half ago.
Scott Benner (3:24) Okay, Jen. (3:25) I like how long you took to pull yourself together before you said that. (3:30) Because I don't think most people don't hear the part that happens before because Rob edits it out where I say, like, know, the next sound you hear will be you introducing yourself, trying to give it to the idea of the person, like, go go ahead and gather yourself and go ahead. (3:42) And you did exactly that. (3:43) Some people launch into it very quickly.
Scott Benner (3:46) Others wait for me to prompt them again. (3:48) And we'll sit there for, like, an an uncomfortably long time, and I'll go, you can go whenever you want. (3:52) They go, oh. (3:54) Right. (3:54) So I like yours.
Scott Benner (3:55) Yours was like, let me think of how I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna say it nicely, and we're on our way. (4:00) So, Jen, you have three children. (4:01) Do we wanna say their ages or no?
Jen (4:03) No. (4:03) That's fine.
Scott Benner (4:04) Okay. (4:04) Three kids.
Jen (4:05) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (4:05) Married?
Jen (4:06) I am.
Scott Benner (4:07) And you're a pediatrician?
Jen (4:09) I am.
Scott Benner (4:10) What do you take of this? (4:11) So a friend of mine is a pediatrician. (4:12) It's been for a very, very long time. (4:14) Went to a great school. (4:15) I one day talked to him about being a doctor, and he said, I'm not a doctor.
Scott Benner (4:18) I'm a pediatrician.
Jen (4:19) Yeah. (4:20) Some days, feel more like more of a psychologist than a medical doctor. (4:25) Yeah. (4:25) It's it's fun. (4:26) I've been practicing for about fourteen years out of fourteen, fifteen years out of, training.
Scott Benner (4:34) It's a good long time.
Jen (4:36) Yeah. (4:36) And I work part time, so I can kinda do the mom thing most of the time.
Scott Benner (4:40) Very nice. (4:41) He described it once to me as, like, having to have a, like, a wide understanding of what's going on in the community as far as people's illnesses go. (4:50) Because in the end, he said, you know, most of the time, you just see people coming in with what's going on. (4:54) Does that fit the criteria to you?
Jen (4:57) A little bit. (4:57) Yeah. (4:58) Yeah. (4:58) I mean, it's, you know, also kind of like, you know, your first patient weighs five pounds because they're a baby, and your next patient weighs three hundred pounds because they're, you know, an 18 year old. (5:07) Oh.
Jen (5:07) So
Scott Benner (5:08) Like I said yeah. (5:09) So there's a wide, a wide scope of people that you meet with.
Jen (5:12) Wider inch. (5:13) Yep.
Scott Benner (5:14) Yeah. (5:14) Yeah. (5:14) Very, very interesting.
Jen (5:15) Okay.
Scott Benner (5:16) What made you wanna be a pediatrician?
Jen (5:19) Oh gosh. (5:21) I don't know. (5:22) I was one of those kids when I was, you know, eight years old, and they said, what do wanna be when you grow up? (5:26) And I said, wanted to be a pediatrician. (5:28) I don't really know.
Jen (5:30) I did a lot of volunteer work and a lot of work in high school and college, you know, with kids. (5:36) I always liked working with kids, and I originally thought about doing pediatric physical therapy was one of my thoughts Mhmm. (5:45) But, really went with my gut and decided to, go into medicine instead.
Scott Benner (5:50) Wow. (5:50) How long do you train for that? (5:51) Like, from like, give me you know, I left for college as a freshman, did a four year, and, like, how long does that whole thing take?
Jen (5:59) So college, four years, medical school, four years, and then pediatric residency is three years.
Scott Benner (6:08) Oh, wow. (6:09) And and you've been practicing for fourteen on top of that?
Jen (6:12) Correct.
Scott Benner (6:13) Oh, so you have ten you have twenty five years of effort since you left high school. (6:18) Right.
Jen (6:19) Yeah. (6:20) Have you
Scott Benner (6:20) been paid back? (6:20) Ish. (6:21) Tell people how many student loans you still have left.
Jen (6:27) Oh, I still have them. (6:28) Yes. (6:28) I'm definitely still paying off my loans.
Scott Benner (6:31) No kidding. (6:32) And the and the insurance is insane. (6:34) Right? (6:34) The liability insurance and everything?
Jen (6:36) I guess so. (6:37) My practice pays for that, thankfully. (6:38) So
Scott Benner (6:39) Lovely. (6:40) Do you work in a kinda, like, family type practice, or has yours been swallowed up by a giant conglomerate?
Jen (6:47) Currently in private practice.
Scott Benner (6:49) Do you have a preference? (6:50) Have you done both?
Jen (6:52) I have not. (6:53) I prefer to be in a outpatient setting. (6:56) I wasn't always one of those doctors who said I never wanted to work in a hospital. (7:01) Mhmm. (7:02) So I like being, you know, just in a in a clinic and doing outpatient medicine.
Scott Benner (7:07) Yeah. (7:08) Tell me why you say a lot of your job is maybe being a therapist for people.
Jen (7:13) Well, you know, a lot of people come in saying, no. (7:16) I'm worried about this. (7:17) I'm worried about that. (7:18) You know, we do a lot of well child checks, especially in the first couple years. (7:23) You see the kids quite often.
Jen (7:25) So a lot of it is, you know, reassurance about your toddler doing this or your toddler doing that. (7:30) Will I ever get sleep again? (7:33) Or the teenagers, you know, in teenage behavior. (7:38) And, you know, there's a lot of counseling involved with, kids at all ages and family members at all ages as well.
Scott Benner (7:45) Is that an on the job training situation, or is that something you feel like medical school and residency prepared you for?
Jen (7:52) No. (7:53) I don't think any of the training really prepared you prepared you for that. (7:56) I think it's just with a matter of time. (7:58) I always joke because, you know, my oldest child had him at the end of my residency, towards the end of my residency, and it just completely changes your perspective of things where I'm like, oh, I can't believe these parents are doing x, y, and z. (8:13) And then you're a parent, and you're going, oh, okay.
Scott Benner (8:16) They think they're killing that kid twenty four hours a day. (8:19) They're looking for they're looking for someone to tell him it's okay. (8:22) He said this. (8:23) He made a noise. (8:24) He burped.
Scott Benner (8:25) Is he okay? (8:25) Right. (8:26) I can't go through this again.
Jen (8:27) Spot on their skin. (8:28) Oh, yeah. (8:29) It's it's a lot of that.
Scott Benner (8:30) Well, so you think a little bit of the timing of when you had your first helped you maybe as you launched into your career?
Jen (8:37) Absolutely.
Scott Benner (8:38) Yeah. (8:39) That's interesting. (8:40) Okay. (8:40) So let's fast forward a little bit. (8:42) I'm gonna I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say, hope that you were able to diagnose your kid with diabetes.
Scott Benner (8:49) But tell me what happened and, you know, how you figured it out.
Jen (8:54) Yeah. (8:55) So I did. (8:57) You know? (8:58) I'll hey. (8:59) And I get a lot of people saying, oh, at least you caught it early.
Jen (9:02) At least you know what to look for. (9:04) At least his parents are doctors. (9:06) And I think I don't wanna say guilt is the right word. (9:10) It's just maybe a little I don't know. (9:13) I'm having the trouble finding the right word for it.
Scott Benner (9:15) Are you are you trying to tell me that you still feel like you didn't figure it out fast enough?
Jen (9:19) No. (9:20) I think I did.
Scott Benner (9:20) You did? (9:21) What's the adverse feeling from?
Jen (9:23) I guess just I wanted to be wrong.
Scott Benner (9:25) Oh. (9:26) Oh, you feel like you gave it to him because you recognized it kinda thing.
Jen (9:31) Not that I gave it to him, but just I wanted to be wrong. (9:33) You know? (9:34) I was like, well, maybe it's just that he's, you know, just extra thirsty and growing and and all of that. (9:41) You know? (9:41) You you wanna be in denial.
Jen (9:43) You don't want something to be right.
Scott Benner (9:45) Jennifer, I'm gonna try one more time to pick through the, like, the psychology of this. (9:48) I might be way off. (9:50) Do you not wanna be part of the story? (9:52) You were just hoping that there was nothing wrong. (9:54) That was that was big picture gonna take the take up the rest of his life kind of feeling, or do you just do you hate that, like, part of that story is you going, oh, I think he has diabetes?
Jen (10:03) Maybe a little bit of both.
Scott Benner (10:05) Yeah. (10:05) I go ahead.
Jen (10:07) A lot of me just wanting to be wrong, I think.
Scott Benner (10:09) Okay.
Jen (10:10) You know? (10:10) Where I kinda had it in the back of my mind, like, could this be? (10:14) And then part of me getting him checked was thinking, okay. (10:18) I'm gonna be wrong.
Scott Benner (10:20) Yeah. (10:21) This is great. (10:21) We'll go over. (10:22) We'll do a thing. (10:23) We'll have lunch, and, you know, we'll figure out what this what else did you think it could be if it wasn't diabetes?
Jen (10:28) Yep. (10:28) Maybe just just growing, being active. (10:31) You know? (10:32) There's a lot of things that happen in the teenage years. (10:35) So, physiologically, so sometimes you just don't know if, you know, what you're experiencing is, right or wrong.
Scott Benner (10:43) What symptoms was he having that that got you thinking?
Jen (10:46) Mainly just the normal stuff. (10:48) You know, waking up at night to go to the bathroom and drinking a lot of water and, you know, wanting me to refill his water and finding water bottles in his room at night, and that was about it. (10:58) He felt fine.
Scott Benner (11:00) It was the excessive thirst that that clipped into it right away.
Jen (11:04) Yeah. (11:04) And, I mean, his a one c was around eight when he was diagnosed. (11:09) So even the doctor said, you know, they never see it that low a diagnosis.
Scott Benner (11:14) Yeah. (11:14) How long do you think it had been going on before you got him to the doctor?
Jen (11:19) Maybe a couple weeks.
Scott Benner (11:20) Okay. (11:21) That's pretty quick. (11:22) Anybody else in your family have type one, extended family?
Jen (11:25) Not blood related, but my sister's husband, my brother-in-law has type one diabetes.
Scott Benner (11:30) But nobody related to you or your husband?
Jen (11:33) No. (11:34) We do have other autoimmune things in the family.
Scott Benner (11:37) Like what?
Jen (11:37) Hashimoto's, ulcerative colitis. (11:43) So with those two things, you know, you're at higher risk for having other autoimmune things.
Scott Benner (11:47) Can I ask a crazy question? (11:48) Because I've been I've been thinking about this lately. (11:50) Anyone in your extended family, a great athlete, very flexible, can throw a ball hard, anything like that?
Jen (11:57) I wish. (11:58) No.
Scott Benner (11:58) No? (12:00) I was getting a massage the other day. (12:01) Somebody gave me a massage as a gift. (12:03) My wife, by the way. (12:04) Two Christmases ago, I sat on this thing stuck in my refrigerator for a year, made the appointment a day after the the gift certificate expired, begged them into letting me use it anyway, and went to just, you know, go get a a massage.
Scott Benner (12:19) And the person, who was doing the massage for me, she was lovely. (12:24) And during the the process, she was kinda going, like, off the side of my hips. (12:28) My hip pointers hurt a lot. (12:30) I was like, oh, that really hurt. (12:32) And she goes right here and she touched him.
Scott Benner (12:33) I said, yeah. (12:34) The left one's worse than the right one. (12:35) They've been hurting for a while. (12:37) And she goes, okay. (12:38) I'll fix that.
Scott Benner (12:39) You know, there's part of you that's like, sure. (12:41) You know? (12:41) But, like, she grabbed my leg, did a thing, was, like, leaning into my hip, like, going, going, going. (12:46) She's good. (12:47) And I'm sitting there going, this hurts.
Scott Benner (12:49) And and she's doing it. (12:50) I'm like, this is not helping. (12:52) And then as I'm thinking this is not helping, she was like, it's not releasing. (12:56) And then she kept going and kept going and I'm not kidding you. (12:59) As the pain disappeared, she said, oh, I got it.
Scott Benner (13:04) And I was like, I said, that was really impressive. (13:07) And I hadn't talked through the whole thing. (13:08) By the way, I know myself. (13:09) So at the beginning of the massage, she said, is there any instructions? (13:12) And I said, yes.
Scott Benner (13:13) I am an entertainer at heart. (13:15) If you start talking to me, I'm gonna want you to have a good time. (13:18) And I'm not gonna relax, and I'm just gonna talk through the whole thing. (13:21) I was like, so please, just don't talk to me. (13:24) And I was like, I'm not being rude, but trust me.
Scott Benner (13:25) I'll ruin it for you and for me. (13:27) So she laughed, and she and she and I really didn't speak for a really long time. (13:30) But I said, that was so impressive. (13:33) You announced that you got it just as the pain went away. (13:37) Uh-huh.
Scott Benner (13:37) How did you know? (13:38) And she said, well, from working on myself, I've been able to figure stuff like that. (13:43) I have Ehlers Danlos.
Jen (13:45) Okay.
Scott Benner (13:46) She starts going, it's an autoimmune. (13:48) I went, I I know. (13:50) I was like, yeah. (13:51) Yeah. (13:52) I got it.
Scott Benner (13:53) And, anyway, so she had that she and I chatted afterwards, and I said, I should send my daughter in here. (13:57) I said, I you know, no diagnosis or anything, but, like, Arden's really flexible. (14:02) She has joint pain. (14:03) Like, you know, her shoulders feel like they're not in place sometimes. (14:05) I was like, she was, yeah.
Scott Benner (14:06) Send her in. (14:07) I'll I'll help her. (14:08) And I was like, awesome. (14:10) And she said, how did you figure it out? (14:12) And I told her I kinda painted a bigger picture.
Scott Benner (14:15) Said, but, know, there's this one thing I've always wondered. (14:17) Both of my kids have exceptional arms. (14:19) They both played baseball or softball, and they could throw a ball like a rocket. (14:24) And when you watch them on video, what you see is they have this exceptional extension when they reach back, like, so much more so than most people do. (14:32) And I I always wondered if that's part of that or not.
Scott Benner (14:35) Anyway
Jen (14:36) I'm not sure.
Scott Benner (14:37) No. (14:37) You you would have no idea. (14:38) But I would just like you know, sometimes I say to people, like, are there bipolar people in your extended family? (14:42) And a lot of people go a lot of people go, yes. (14:45) So I thought maybe I could, like, find a new, question like, does anyone in your family throw really well?
Scott Benner (14:49) Anyway, there's a long way to go for no for nothing at all. (14:53) But anyway, I I think I might have her on the podcast how to help that because she was so effective with it and was telling me her own story that I think people would find interesting, but I digress. (15:02) Yeah. (15:03) Cool. (15:04) Okay.
Scott Benner (15:04) So in the extended family, you know, little bit of that, but not a lot. (15:09) Did it ever occur to you as a doctor? (15:11) Did you ever say I might have a baby one day that has one of these issues, or is that not a thing ever popped in your head?
Jen (15:16) Not really. (15:17) I mean, you always want your kids to be healthy, you know, but never really thought about it.
Scott Benner (15:23) Okay. (15:23) Alright. (15:24) So we got him in the hospital. (15:26) He's got his a one c around eight. (15:28) They think you got it pretty quickly.
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Jen (17:43) I tried to kinda keep that on the DL that I'm a doctor because I want people to talk to me like I don't know anything. (17:51) You know? (17:52) Because, truthfully, I don't. (17:54) You know? (17:55) When as a general pediatrician, you know, you see the kids who are sick, and they come in.
Jen (17:59) Oh, okay. (18:00) How's your blood sugar? (18:00) Is this and that? (18:01) Like, I really knew nothing about pumps and CGMs and this and that. (18:07) I was a diabetes camp counselor back in the day down in Florida, but that was when kids were still doing, you know, finger sticks before meals and lining up for their insulin.
Jen (18:18) Yeah. (18:19) So things have changed so much since I've been trained. (18:23) So I wanted people to talk to me like I was just everybody else.
Scott Benner (18:27) Yeah. (18:27) Do you have kids in your practice who have type one?
Jen (18:30) I do.
Scott Benner (18:31) Yeah. (18:31) Do you get very involved prior to your child's diagnosis? (18:35) Did you get very involved in it, or was it one of those things where you're like, well, that's the endo, and this is me?
Jen (18:39) Yeah. (18:39) Pretty much. (18:40) Yeah. (18:40) We don't have anybody locally, for pediatric endocrinology, so people have to travel. (18:46) But pretty much make sure, you know, they're seeing their specialists.
Jen (18:50) Their a one c's are good. (18:51) They're doing what they need to do. (18:53) You know, prior to this, kind of just let the endocrinologists deal with it all.
Scott Benner (18:58) In that situation, are there now hindsight? (19:01) Are there overlaps that should impact your care that previously you weren't thinking about that now you are?
Jen (19:08) Absolutely.
Scott Benner (19:09) So another learning experience for you. (19:12) Like, this is you think this will help a lot of your patients too?
Jen (19:15) Absolutely. (19:16) You know, so many things that I've learned about, especially with the pumps and the CGMs and the symptoms of things. (19:24) I've learned a lot about five zero four plans
Scott Benner (19:26) Mhmm.
Jen (19:26) And school accommodations. (19:29) So not just for diabetes, but for other chronic medical conditions. (19:33) You know, I really encourage families to be proactive and get five zero four plans and make sure they're advocating for their kids' school system, which I don't think I did as much of before all this.
Scott Benner (19:47) Are you telling me that there were other kids under your care that you maybe in hindsight should have said, hey. (19:52) Maybe you guys should have a five zero four plan?
Jen (19:54) Or yeah. (19:55) Yeah. (19:55) I mean, I know the endocrinologists and the specialists tend to take care of that, but, you know, in reality, it's the pediatrician's job to say, you know, do you have everything set up for what you need?
Scott Benner (20:06) I've tried my hardest to, forget about five zero four plans because I it harkens back to a terrible time in my life. (20:12) But when you Yes. (20:13) You kind of you kind of laughed about it. (20:15) So tell me, a little bit about the process. (20:18) So you realized he's gonna need this.
Scott Benner (20:20) You started looking into it. (20:22) You know, it's not cut and dry as far as, like
Jen (20:25) It's not.
Scott Benner (20:26) What should go in the plan. (20:28) You don't recognize at first that the school very well may not be thrilled that you're trying to apply a five zero four plan, that they might fight with you or try to simplify it to limit their exposure. (20:39) There's a lot of things that happen once this whole thing starts moving in in that direction. (20:43) But would you tell me a little bit about what happened to you guys?
Jen (20:47) It was interesting because he was finishing up middle school and then going into high school. (20:52) So we didn't really do anything in the middle school time frame because there wasn't a lot of school left. (20:58) I'm a reader. (20:59) I try to do as much reading as I can, and I get perspectives from other people, talk to some people online, get questions answered. (21:08) You know?
Jen (21:09) And I learned that, really, a 100% of type one diabetes kids should have a five zero four plan. (21:15) Research the ADA website. (21:17) You know, the school comes back with what they think. (21:19) You know, they're kind of their cookie cutter. (21:21) Okay.
Jen (21:21) They get this and that and the other. (21:24) Because cell phones have become such a bigger issue with schools over the past year or two
Scott Benner (21:30) Yeah.
Jen (21:31) You know, I was surprised at how much you need to advocate for your kids for a five zero four plan and what they need to thrive in school.
Scott Benner (21:42) Specific to cell phones or in general?
Jen (21:45) Generally, think everything is okay. (21:47) But I think with the cell phones, you know, you have people say, well, you know, kids dealt with diabetes, you know, before cell phones existed. (21:55) I think that the general public and even in education don't realize how important the cell phones are to keeping you alive and keeping you managed on a twenty four seven basis.
Scott Benner (22:09) Yeah. (22:10) Your regular NPH was not attached to a digital device that was control controlling it.
Jen (22:14) Right. (22:15) Right.
Scott Benner (22:15) It's almost more helpful just to talk about it as the insulin pump controller or the CGM Right. (22:20) Receiver and then spring on them at the end. (22:22) It's also a cell phone.
Jen (22:24) Right.
Scott Benner (22:24) You know what's so funny? (22:25) Because I'm old enough. (22:27) How old are you? (22:28) Do you mind?
Jen (22:30) Sorry. (22:32) She's she's That's okay. (22:33) I just had a birthday. (22:34) I'm 45.
Scott Benner (22:35) Oh, happy birthday. (22:36) I'm about ten years older than you.
Jen (22:38) Okay.
Scott Benner (22:39) When they started letting kids take cell phones to school, I was like, hey. (22:43) This is a bad idea.
Jen (22:45) Right.
Scott Benner (22:45) And then it was a bad idea, but it became commonplace and people, especially parents are so pushy. (22:52) Then they just my kids gotta have this. (22:53) What if there's a problem? (22:54) How are they gonna get ahold of me? (22:55) The same way I got ahold of my mom in 1978 if there's a problem.
Scott Benner (22:59) When I got home, I spoke to her.
Jen (23:00) Right.
Scott Benner (23:01) But okay. (23:02) We we got it into our heads that, like, you know, the danger that's around if you can't contact somebody immediately, like, you know, by and and it became the norm. (23:10) Right? (23:10) And by the way
Jen (23:11) Right.
Scott Benner (23:11) There's a ton of good reasons that people should have communication. (23:14) I'm not even saying that. (23:15) Right. (23:15) What I'm saying is it clearly messed with how school works. (23:19) Right?
Scott Benner (23:19) Like, kids are Right. (23:20) Like, can't put their phones down. (23:22) They're you know, it creates all kinds of other problems. (23:24) It took us I mean, when did I get my my first iPhone? (23:28) 2007?
Scott Benner (23:29) Is that right is that right? (23:31) I think that's right. (23:31) Mhmm. (23:32) Okay. (23:32) So if that's right, then nearly twenty years later, we all went, That was a bad idea letting kids take phones to school.
Scott Benner (23:41) It took eighteen years for people to go, you know, we probably shouldn't give them a screen to porn and games while they're trying to learn. (23:49) Right. (23:50) It's or whatever else they're looking at. (23:52) But mostly games are important just in case you're wondering what they're doing.
Jen (23:55) Oh, boy.
Scott Benner (23:56) Yeah. (23:56) I mean, just put your head down. (23:58) It's you don't wanna know. (24:00) Point being is that in that time, some really good things came out of it. (24:04) Like, hey.
Scott Benner (24:04) You can see your CGM on your phone or give you insulin for your phone or I'm sure there's a number of things outside of diabetes that has a lot of value for. (24:11) And now we're gonna tell everybody, nope. (24:14) You can't have them. (24:15) And then there's the part of me that goes, yeah. (24:16) That's a great idea.
Scott Benner (24:18) And then there's the part of me that says, well, what are you supposed to do? (24:21) Because then I say, well, Jennifer's kid gets to keep his phone, but not your kid. (24:25) And where is that gonna lead? (24:27) You know? (24:28) It's showing a half in five minutes.
Scott Benner (24:29) But, anyway, you're trying to get the five zero four plan in place. (24:32) They're not understanding the necessity of the phone, especially in this time when the pushback is now going the other way. (24:37) Is that what you're saying to me?
Jen (24:38) Right.
Scott Benner (24:39) Yeah. (24:39) Yeah.
Jen (24:39) Yeah. (24:40) And I think, you know, they got the point that the you know, seeing the numbers and keeping the phone close and everything. (24:47) But one of the things I fought for was his ability to communicate with me during the day Yeah. (24:52) If needed.
Scott Benner (24:53) Well, you know, I made that impassioned plea about you don't need to talk to your parents all day. (24:56) But I'll tell you, if you can text with somebody who's helping you manage your diabetes, especially when you're younger, you know, it's such a big deal, and it makes everything so much better.
Jen (25:04) So Right.
Scott Benner (25:05) Look at me arguing with myself. (25:07) It's fun.
Jen (25:09) Well and I think that if you have something in writing and you have, you know, legal protection, then nobody's gonna get in trouble, and there's not gonna be any problems. (25:17) So I think that, you know, being proactive and advocating for your kids is just so important on so many levels.
Scott Benner (25:26) You know, some kids are gonna be like, just say, hey. (25:29) Look. (25:29) I need this. (25:29) It's no I don't care. (25:30) But when the rules start flying back the other direction where people can't have them, there are gonna be some people who are gonna be embarrassed that now your cell phone's gonna be a way for people to know that you have an illness or something.
Jen (25:39) Right.
Scott Benner (25:40) Yeah. (25:40) You know? (25:40) So then there are gonna be kids who struggle with that, not wanting to take their phones out. (25:44) I already talked to people whose kids are like, don't know, I can't get him to give himself insulin in class. (25:48) Why not?
Scott Benner (25:49) Doesn't want he doesn't want to pull his phone out when no one else is allowed to. (25:53) Mhmm. (25:53) That nobody wants a, you know, a spotlight shined on them. (25:55) It's interesting how the problems will, like, continue to morph and shift off of the issue. (26:01) But did you finally get it set into place?
Scott Benner (26:03) Did they argue for a long time? (26:05) Did you need an attorney?
Jen (26:06) No. (26:07) We didn't need to make it go that far. (26:08) Everything got into place just fine. (26:11) I just kinda sometimes just had to make myself clear, I guess, go into mom mode.
Scott Benner (26:16) We so when you made the sound about five zero four, it's more about the the speed bumps that you look back on
Jen (26:22) and go, this
Scott Benner (26:23) didn't need to be this way. (26:24) Right?
Jen (26:25) Right.
Scott Benner (26:25) Yeah. (26:25) It's just tough. (26:26) It's frustrating, and it's a it's a lot of extra work that in the end, everybody goes, oh, okay. (26:31) And you're like, yeah. (26:32) Why were you fighting with me?
Jen (26:33) Right. (26:35) Well and it's interesting because I think, you know, I talk to families with, you know, multiple different chronic medical conditions. (26:45) Right? (26:45) And a lot of people will say, okay. (26:47) Do you have a five zero four plan?
Jen (26:48) And people will say, what's that? (26:50) So it's interesting to know, you know, that it's not even common knowledge that someone may need one.
Scott Benner (26:58) Right. (26:58) Or they go, oh, is that an IEP? (27:00) And you go, no. (27:01) Not really. (27:02) No.
Scott Benner (27:02) It's not not really the same thing.
Jen (27:04) Right.
Scott Benner (27:04) Yeah. (27:04) Yeah. (27:05) I I guess I remember your frustration because at one point, I recall telling somebody, you can argue about this as long as you want, but when it's over, this is what's going to happen.
Jen (27:15) Right.
Scott Benner (27:15) And I I know that's way more direct than most people probably. (27:18) I actually, people have been telling
Jen (27:19) me I got it.
Scott Benner (27:20) Yeah. (27:20) People online have been telling me I'm very direct, and I keep fighting with them, which I guess is part of me being direct. (27:25) I don't see myself as the I know that's maybe insane, but I don't see myself as being direct. (27:30) I just see the world as, like, more common sense y. (27:34) Like, why would you not say that?
Scott Benner (27:36) That's
Jen (27:36) Exactly.
Scott Benner (27:37) That's right. (27:38) You know? (27:38) And and if I'm wrong, then I'll be shown to be wrong, and then I'll stop saying it.
Jen (27:42) But Right. (27:43) Yeah. (27:43) I don't Well and I hear a lot of, you know, people wanna complain about things. (27:47) Right? (27:47) In general, people would rather complain about things than not be active and do something about it.
Scott Benner (27:53) Right.
Jen (27:53) Right?
Scott Benner (27:54) Yeah. (27:54) No. (27:54) It's easier.
Jen (27:55) So so I think it's easier to just be upfront and say this is the way it's gonna be, like you said.
Scott Benner (27:59) This is what's gonna happen, I said. (28:02) You can fight if you want, but when this is over, this is what's gonna happen. (28:06) And then when it happened, the problem is then if one side keeps ego about it, now you're at odds forever.
Jen (28:12) Right.
Scott Benner (28:13) Because now that person feels like I beat them because people are insane. (28:17) But just I guess the way the mind works is is is is bizarre. (28:22) Right. (28:23) So okay. (28:23) So now it's set in place.
Scott Benner (28:24) You probably never even look at it.
Jen (28:26) Right.
Scott Benner (28:27) Are you happy you have it still? (28:29) Absolutely. (28:30) Why?
Jen (28:31) Well, like I said, I think it's just legal protection. (28:33) I think if somebody in the hallway or somebody who doesn't know him or a substitute or somebody wants to get him in trouble, then I'd say, nope. (28:41) That's not gonna happen.
Scott Benner (28:43) Yeah. (28:43) It it well, it is that easy sometimes. (28:45) Like, you know, put your phone away. (28:47) I'm giving myself insulin. (28:48) Put your phone away.
Scott Benner (28:49) I don't care. (28:49) Well, you Right. (28:50) You're gonna care because, you know, the administrator's about to tell you to shut up. (28:54) So
Jen (28:54) Right. (28:55) Yeah. (28:55) Right.
Scott Benner (28:55) It really is that. (28:56) It's just it's more like a document that keeps people from who don't understand your situation from being a jerk to you.
Jen (29:03) They're pretty much as Exactly.
Scott Benner (29:04) Yeah. (29:05) Well and and then if something goes wrong, you can get it fixed because it's been laid out somewhere and agreed upon.
Jen (29:11) Exactly.
Scott Benner (29:11) Yeah. (29:12) Which is why they try to pass off a super simple five zero four to you because it's less for them to comply with.
Jen (29:18) Right.
Scott Benner (29:18) More importantly, fewer things for them that they could potentially get in trouble for.
Jen (29:23) Right.
Scott Benner (29:24) Always look at it like that, you'll know where people are coming from.
Jen (29:27) Alright.
Scott Benner (29:28) Yeah. (29:28) Anyway. (29:30) Okay. (29:30) So management stuff. (29:33) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (29:34) You don't know what you're doing. (29:35) You get people to talk to you plainly, but did that help? (29:38) Or were you did you find yourself like, my people are great, or were you like, uh-oh. (29:43) I'm not getting I'm not getting much helpful advice here.
Jen (29:46) No. (29:47) I mean, I think, you know, a lot of people talk about horrible hospital experiences. (29:50) I think that we had a pretty good experience. (29:54) You know, everybody was really good. (29:56) I kinda got online right away, found some I'm in some doctor mom Facebook groups and got connected to some people who, you know, kinda gave me some basic advice.
Jen (30:07) One of my favorite expressions that I learned early on from someone, I wish I knew who it was, but they said, don't drink from the fire hose.
Scott Benner (30:15) Yeah. (30:16) And
Jen (30:16) that has stuck with me because I think you get so much thrown at you at one time. (30:21) You know? (30:21) And I can't imagine what it's like to not have a medical background and have all this stuff thrown at you.
Scott Benner (30:27) So even with things being thrown at you quickly and you understanding a lot of contextually what it was, it was still too much.
Jen (30:33) Yeah. (30:34) Okay. (30:35) Yeah. (30:35) Exactly.
Scott Benner (30:36) I made that die the finding diabetes series because of that idea. (30:40) Like, I thought everyone's yelling buzzwords at people and they don't know what they mean. (30:44) And they say them they say, like like, you don't realize if you're a person who says bolus all the time that there are a lot of people who go, I don't know what you're saying. (30:52) You know, like, so and then you just keep rolling on with it. (30:56) And the person you're talking to is back there going, I don't know.
Scott Benner (30:58) I guess I'll figure out what bolus means later, and then I'll maybe this will all make sense. (31:03) Nope. (31:03) It won't. (31:04) So what did you find like, I know how I think of it. (31:07) I mean, if you it's not a secret.
Scott Benner (31:09) I think of it the way it's in the bowl beginning series. (31:12) Like, that's that's how I think about the beginning. (31:14) But what did you find that was helpful?
Jen (31:15) You know, just talking to people, really. (31:17) You know? (31:18) And I think that the people in the hospital did a great job with him and with me. (31:22) And, you know, we were it was less than twenty four hours, so we were in and out and, you know, put a Dexcom on him right away, which was great. (31:31) And, you know, it it turned into a pretty good experience.
Jen (31:35) Went back to school the the following day.
Scott Benner (31:38) Did you realize he's right back again?
Jen (31:40) Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner (31:41) Well, did you have that, like, we can do this, nothing's gonna stop us vibe going?
Jen (31:45) I tried.
Scott Benner (31:45) You tried? (31:47) Is your husband in medicine too?
Jen (31:49) He is.
Scott Benner (31:50) Yeah. (31:50) Is he, like, just a different kind of doctor?
Jen (31:54) He's an anesthesiologist.
Scott Benner (31:56) That's the best job, isn't it?
Jen (31:57) Yeah. (31:59) He just doesn't he talks to them, puts them to sleep.
Scott Benner (32:01) And he pops
Jen (32:02) on a
Scott Benner (32:02) pop then he pops on a podcast. (32:03) Right?
Jen (32:05) Yeah. (32:06) I guess. (32:06) Don't know what he does. (32:07) I
Scott Benner (32:07) don't ask him. (32:08) Hey. (32:09) Listen. (32:09) An anesthesiologist saved me recently. (32:12) I've been put out a number of times.
Scott Benner (32:13) Actually, my son said to me the other day. (32:14) He goes, you you know, you've had a lot of surgeries? (32:16) And I was like, yeah. (32:17) I was thinking that the other day too. (32:18) You know, when I get the Jackson juice, it burns like crazy for me.
Scott Benner (32:23) It doesn't it doesn't for everybody, by the way. (32:25) So last time I had to have it you're laughing at what part? (32:28) The Jackson juice? (32:29) Yeah. (32:29) Okay.
Scott Benner (32:29) And so, like, I so I said that to the anesthesiologist. (32:32) I'm like, hey. (32:33) Yo. (32:33) Easy. (32:33) That's gonna burn.
Scott Benner (32:34) I was like, is there anything you can do about that? (32:36) And he goes, oh, yeah. (32:37) No problem. (32:38) And he tourniquet my arm and kinda, like, put it in a little slower and then held it for a minute before he let it through and it didn't burn. (32:45) And I was like, I remember thinking, thank you, but I couldn't actually say it because I was gone.
Scott Benner (32:50) I was gone.
Jen (32:51) Right.
Scott Benner (32:51) But now if I have something done, it's the last thing I tell people. (32:54) Like, are you aware of how to do this? (32:56) Because otherwise, when they inject it into my IV, my arm feels like it's on fire. (33:01) And then that goes across my chest and that's like my last remembrance as I pass out. (33:06) Oh.
Scott Benner (33:06) I mean, in the in you know, meanwhile, I I guess it really doesn't matter because you're asleep in, like, a split second. (33:11) Tell your husband if he ever wants to come on to a podcast to explain the complexities of the idea that we understand that anesthesia makes people go to sleep and wake back up again, but we don't know understand how. (33:23) I'm fascinated by that conversation. (33:25) So yeah.
Jen (33:26) Oh, yeah. (33:26) He would love
Scott Benner (33:27) I there may be I was just saying it to Arden the other day. (33:30) She was talking about something medical. (33:32) She's like, why can't they just I was like, Arden, you know what? (33:35) I said, do you know that we don't know why anesthesia works? (33:38) And she goes, what?
Scott Benner (33:40) I'm like, the stuff they put in you, you fall asleep, you don't die, and you wake back up when they take it away. (33:45) And she goes, yeah. (33:45) I said, we know that happens. (33:47) We have no idea why. (33:49) She's like, what?
Scott Benner (33:50) I'm like, yeah. (33:51) Now imagine what else we don't know. (33:55) Yeah. (33:56) Yeah.
Jen (33:56) Right.
Scott Benner (33:57) But okay. (33:58) So he's he's been through med school. (34:00) You've been through med school. (34:02) But does somebody take the reins on the diabetes thing, or do you have that, like, I I we're we're trying to stay very vague about your children. (34:09) Is your child of the age where you're like, oh, no.
Scott Benner (34:11) It's theirs to take over, or did you feel like, no. (34:13) I should be helping?
Jen (34:14) Yeah. (34:15) It's I mean, it's pretty much all me. (34:16) Like I said, I work part time. (34:18) So and because I'm more on the general practice kinda side of things, I tend to manage most of it, you know, as far as I'm the one who's calling the insurance and, you know, making appointments and sending the messages. (34:34) I mean, the nice thing about having a teenager who is smart and functional is that he does a lot of it himself.
Jen (34:44) You know? (34:44) Every once in a while, I'm like, oh, is it a Dexcom day? (34:47) Or so a lot of it is on him.
Scott Benner (34:50) But By choice? (34:51) Like, does he want you not to be involved, or is it No. (34:56) He's looking for no?
Jen (34:57) No. (34:57) I mean, we I'd say it's a team effort, but, you know, he's very intuitive
Scott Benner (35:02) Okay.
Jen (35:03) Which I think is good. (35:05) It's funny because we've even had his endocrinologist, the nurse practitioner say, you know, don't make changes on your pump without talking to us. (35:13) And I'm gone, okay.
Scott Benner (35:16) Yeah. (35:17) I'll call you up before I change the basal from point six five to point seven.
Jen (35:22) Exactly. (35:22) Exactly. (35:23) No. (35:23) There has been I mean, we definitely communicate with them. (35:26) I I I try not to play doctor with my kids.
Jen (35:30) So, you know, I do wanna communicate with them and make sure that everybody's on the same page. (35:34) But I think for little things like that, you know, that's definitely something he and I can do together.
Scott Benner (35:40) You feel like you'll grow together? (35:41) Do you have an expectation that at some point he's gonna look at you and go, okay. (35:45) That's enough now? (35:46) I'm good? (35:47) Like, I don't want you involved anymore, do you think he'll keep accept accepting your your help?
Jen (35:52) I don't know. (35:53) I guess we'll see what time.
Scott Benner (35:54) You're not an anxious person.
Jen (35:56) That depends who you ask.
Scott Benner (35:57) I know. (35:57) Your husband thinks you are, but I I'm asking you. (35:59) Yeah. (35:59) Yeah. (35:59) Yeah.
Jen (36:00) He probably does. (36:00) Yeah. (36:01) Yeah. (36:02) I mean, I'm definitely a worrier, but I think it just depends on what's going on.
Scott Benner (36:06) More so since you had kids? (36:08) Definitely. (36:08) Definitely. (36:09) Yeah. (36:09) That's the thing.
Scott Benner (36:10) I I I know I've probably joked about it one too many times, and I was like, I think there's a switch in there. (36:14) The kids grab it on the way out, and they, like, flip it. (36:17) And then Mhmm. (36:17) Like, because my wife was a lot more chill before, like, I made her pregnant. (36:21) But it's good though.
Scott Benner (36:22) Right? (36:22) You're keeping the kid alive. (36:24) Not good for you. (36:24) It's good for them. (36:26) You're you're very vigilant for them.
Scott Benner (36:28) That's awesome.
Jen (36:30) Right.
Scott Benner (36:31) So I will tell you, as a person who's been at this for a a very long time, being the parent of someone with diabetes, there is more than likely going to be a moment where your your child is just like, hey. (36:44) I'm good. (36:46) And Mhmm. (36:46) They're probably not really going to be. (36:49) But it turns into more of, like, a a psychological necessity at that point.
Scott Benner (36:55) Mhmm. (36:55) You're going to have to, at some point, like, like, create boundaries. (37:00) And they'll he'll probably make them. (37:02) And then you're gonna have to, like, find a way to, like, live with them, not ruin your relationship, but still at the same time make sure that the health part is okay. (37:10) It's a really unfun part of this whole thing.
Scott Benner (37:13) In case any of you are wondering what comes next, this is there's Right. (37:17) The it's not a big party. (37:19) But you get through it, like, you know, and it's it's just it's a process like the like the rest of
Jen (37:23) it. (37:24) Right.
Scott Benner (37:25) What what kind of outcomes are you having right now? (37:27) How does this, like, what do you think of as a spike at a meal? (37:31) What are numbers you're shooting for? (37:33) What kind of a one c's you're trying for? (37:34) How do you like your variability?
Scott Benner (37:36) Stuff like that.
Jen (37:37) You know, I mean, the crazy thing that, I mean, you know about diabetes is, like, doing the exact same thing every day, and your numbers are gonna be different because that's just the way it is. (37:46) One thing that I think helped early on was that one of the doctors said, you know, the goal is to not be a 100% in range, right Mhmm. (37:56) All the time.
Scott Benner (37:57) Mhmm.
Jen (37:57) And I think that, you know, knowing that the goal is not perfection and that the goal is, you know, being safe and having quality of life and, you know, functioning and feeling good, I think, is the point. (38:09) On the I don't know if it's on the Dexcom app or the Mobi app, but they're they do give a percentage on the bottom of the app Yeah. (38:17) About, like, your time and range Mhmm. (38:19) Which I think is good and bad if you're a numbers person.
Scott Benner (38:23) Because if you're you think that any number under a 100 seems like failure to some people?
Jen (38:29) I mean, I could see where some people might feel like that. (38:32) Yeah. (38:32) Right? (38:33) And because every day is so different, you might have a day where you're 50 to 60% in range. (38:37) Right?
Jen (38:38) And then you might have a day where you're 90% in range.
Scott Benner (38:40) Yeah.
Jen (38:41) So I think that seeing that and can sometimes be a little bit frustrating, I'm sure. (38:47) But, yeah, I mean, the goal is to, you know, make sure he's feeling good and keep numbers in range as much as possible. (38:55) But I think that, you know, aiming for that a 100%, I think, is is tough.
Scott Benner (39:00) You don't feel that way? (39:02) Like like, it's failure if you don't do a certain thing. (39:05) If not, how did you get to that?
Jen (39:06) No. (39:07) I don't. (39:07) And I think that, you know, like, all things in parenting, you see things online. (39:11) Right? (39:11) And you see you know, at first, I was following all these people online and, oh, my kid only eats veggies and meat and blah blah blah.
Jen (39:19) And, you know, and you're like, oh, I wish that it was like this, and I wish it was like that. (39:25) But in reality, I think you have to do what works best for you and your family and your situation.
Scott Benner (39:31) Mhmm.
Jen (39:32) Right?
Scott Benner (39:33) Yeah. (39:33) For sure. (39:34) I agree. (39:34) Like, so how does that happen? (39:36) You look online for what?
Scott Benner (39:37) For community, for people who understand, for answers, that kind of thing. (39:41) At some point, you find someone who was like, I'll tell you what I did. (39:45) I'd I eat one carb a year, and it's fixed everything. (39:49) And you're like, okay. (39:50) Well, we'll just that's what we'll do.
Scott Benner (39:51) Right? (39:52) Because they show you a beautiful graph, and you're like, yes. (39:54) I'm looking for that.
Jen (39:55) Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner (39:55) Yeah. (39:55) And then what does it hit you five seconds later? (39:58) You go, I I do I would like a piece of bread once in a while. (40:01) Like, hold on a second. (40:02) Like, I Exactly.
Scott Benner (40:03) Yeah. (40:03) I didn't want things to change that much. (40:05) Does that leave you feeling like it's an all or nothing situation? (40:10) Like, well, I either have to be completely no carb or I have horrible blood sugars?
Jen (40:16) Not necessarily, but I think that that probably takes time to get that message through.
Scott Benner (40:22) Yeah.
Jen (40:22) And think there's a lot of that in parenting, you know, the comparing to other people and, well, my kid's reading at three years old and, you know, my kid's in advanced classes and my kid's not. (40:32) And Mhmm. (40:32) You know, there's a lot of that, I think, in all aspects of parenting. (40:35) So I think that it's important to step back and realize, you know, again, what works for your family is what works for you. (40:43) And I counsel that a lot in my job with different aspects of life.
Jen (40:49) So a lot of this has kind of turned over into the way that I counsel families and do reassurance and have empathy for their situations and talk to them about their life.
Scott Benner (41:03) Yeah. (41:03) I I find that the messaging I I wish hope I'm I'm giving out is that there is a standard that you're reaching for. (41:12) You don't need to get to it today. (41:14) And Exactly. (41:15) You also don't wanna get halfway to it and go, that's good enough.
Scott Benner (41:19) It's a process, and that process may take longer or shorter for different people. (41:24) And you're certainly not gonna get through it, quickly or at all if you don't have at least some of the tools and the basic understanding. (41:31) So go find those understandings, live through your experiences over and over again, and keep making adjustments till you find find the thing that works. (41:38) The tough part is that the diabetes is adjusting while you're adjusting.
Jen (41:42) Correct.
Scott Benner (41:42) Yeah. (41:43) Yeah. (41:43) It's not a lot of fun. (41:44) Right. (41:45) It really it really isn't.
Jen (41:48) Right.
Scott Benner (41:48) Can I ask you a question?
Jen (41:50) Okay.
Scott Benner (41:50) Yeah. (41:51) Yeah. (41:51) So this is have I not been asking you questions? (41:54) You just think, like, have you not been asking me questions for the last forty minutes, you dumbass? (41:58) But, like so I've been I I just talked about this with another person, so it's gonna come up in the podcast in succession.
Scott Benner (42:05) So for you listening, guys listening, I'm sorry. (42:07) But so you're a mom. (42:09) Your your kid has type one diabetes, not for a long time, but for, you know, a rather newer diagnosis. (42:15) You're also obviously who you are professionally. (42:19) If I told you that I have on my website, I've just not made it public yet, I have a calculator that if you put your weight into, it would give you an average start for insulin to carb ratio, basal, and sensitivity.
Scott Benner (42:38) Would you say I think that's a good thing for people to see? (42:42) Possibly. (42:43) How much does your child weigh?
Jen (42:45) Mine? (42:46) I have no idea. (42:47) Can
Scott Benner (42:48) you ballpark guess?
Jen (42:50) Maybe one thirty? (42:51) Okay.
Scott Benner (42:51) So if I type one thirty in as the the weight, it will tell you that an estimated total daily dose is around thirty two and a half units. (43:00) Do you think he uses about thirty two and a half units a day, or is that wildly off for him?
Jen (43:05) No. (43:05) That's probably possibly about right.
Scott Benner (43:07) About right. (43:07) Okay. (43:08) Is his basil about point six eight an hour? (43:12) Point seven? (43:13) Does he use about sure.
Scott Benner (43:15) Does he use about sixteen units a day in basil?
Jen (43:18) That sounds about right, I think.
Scott Benner (43:20) It's Okay. (43:21) Do you think a unit moves him how far? (43:24) Like, when you're doing a correction, if he's 200, what gets him to 100?
Jen (43:28) Maybe three or four units. (43:29) I'm not sure.
Scott Benner (43:30) It could be more yeah. (43:31) It's interesting. (43:31) This tells you, like Yeah. (43:33) You know, it it says, look. (43:34) Here's an estimated start for your insulin sensitivity.
Scott Benner (43:36) You know, one unit drops you by 55 at a standard eight so it's using for insulin sensitivity, it's using the, the 1,800 rule to find the number. (43:46) Mhmm. (43:47) You can switch it to use different like, a more resistant or a more sensitive rule. (43:51) Same thing for the insulin to carb calculation. (43:54) It's being done by the 500 rule, which is where the math comes from to figure out people's starting rates for their their carbs.
Scott Benner (44:01) And for basil, there's, different factors. (44:03) It's using the standard, which is point five five, but it it also gives you opportunities to switch to high sensitivity resistant or highly resistant. (44:10) My question is, if you had that because you have access to people. (44:15) You talk to a lot of people. (44:17) So if if it's true that people are being asked to do something with specious settings, they're not quite sure if their settings are right, would it not be helpful to give them something that says, look.
Scott Benner (44:30) These are about maybe where you should start looking at your settings for. (44:34) Does that seem like a value to you?
Jen (44:36) Possibly. (44:37) I you know, I I know we relied on his doctors to kinda create those settings and at the beginning and and periodically when we check-in. (44:47) You know? (44:47) And those are all on his phone, which is why I said I wasn't sure. (44:50) Yeah.
Jen (44:51) Yeah. (44:51) No. (44:51) Of course. (44:52) So all of those settings are there, and I know that the, you know, the medical professionals created those settings, and we adjust up and down, you know, as needed.
Scott Benner (45:01) Mhmm. (45:02) I'm just I'm wondering because you're a doctor. (45:04) Like, if if Mhmm. (45:05) You could somehow look at this calculator and go, okay. (45:07) Well, these are the these are the mathematical formulas that an endocrinologist is using to get a starting point for these numbers.
Jen (45:13) Right.
Scott Benner (45:14) Right? (45:14) Would you consider sharing it with somebody, or or would that scare you? (45:18) And if so, what scares you about it?
Jen (45:21) I would probably let the specialists do that just because they have so pediatric endocrinologist has three extra years of training
Scott Benner (45:28) Mhmm.
Jen (45:29) Compared to me.
Scott Benner (45:30) Yeah.
Jen (45:31) So, like, my residency is in general pediatrics, and I did some rotations in in endocrinology. (45:37) But if you're an endocrinologist pediatric endocrinologist, you've done three more years on top of that. (45:43) So I feel like probably leaving it to them to create the mathematical goals and do that, at least to start everything, is a good thing. (45:54) Like I said, we kinda adjust up and down in increments if needed, but Right. (45:59) I think getting their perspective from the beginning is important.
Scott Benner (46:03) How long has your child had type one now?
Jen (46:05) A year and a half.
Scott Benner (46:06) Year and a half. (46:07) The reason I asked you a question about the calculator is because you're very new at type one, but you've been a doctor for a very long time. (46:14) Mhmm. (46:15) So you're gonna be more risk adverse about, like, just telling people like, hey. (46:18) Click on this link.
Scott Benner (46:18) But at the same time, have you not gotten a lot of your information that way?
Jen (46:24) Right. (46:24) That's true.
Scott Benner (46:25) Yeah. (46:26) Yeah. (46:26) So I it just it's it's interesting. (46:28) The the reason I ask is because I'm gonna spend a fair amount of time this year talking to people in clinical settings. (46:34) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (46:34) I want to be able to say to them, listen. (46:36) I've been doing this for twelve years. (46:38) This is what they need to know, and these things will help them get to it faster. (46:43) Mhmm. (46:43) But you've gotta believe that it's a big leap if you're a person who went to medical school or you're a nurse or, you know, a professional person, And a guy comes along and goes, hey.
Scott Benner (46:54) I make a podcast. (46:56) I you know, everything that I know about diabetes is in these these series right here. (47:01) I think if you listen to them and understand these t shirt slogan sayings about type one, you'll be well on your way. (47:06) But you do need good settings. (47:08) So here's the thing that'll help you get to that.
Scott Benner (47:10) Godspeed. (47:11) Like, take all that, synthesize it together, apply it to your own life, and I think you're gonna be better off if you do. (47:17) How do you make a person like, because that's my pitch. (47:20) Yeah. (47:21) And by the way, I believe it.
Scott Benner (47:23) Okay? (47:23) And I believe it because I've seen it work for, I mean, honestly, countless people. (47:29) Mhmm. (47:29) So, like but how do I say it? (47:32) But but what I just realized is when I said it to you, you were kinda like, I don't know.
Scott Benner (47:35) I don't think so. (47:37) I want I want and you listened to you listened to this podcast. (47:41) Right?
Jen (47:41) Yeah.
Scott Benner (47:41) Yeah. (47:42) So you you listened to this podcast. (47:44) You've had some success, I would bet, on things that I've said. (47:47) And and then what's your kid's a one c?
Jen (47:49) Right now, probably around six point something.
Scott Benner (47:52) Yeah. (47:52) You're doing good. (47:53) And when I said, hey. (47:53) Do you think I should tell people about that? (47:55) She were like, what made you go,
Jen (48:02) Well, just kind of like I don't know. (48:04) It's hard to explain. (48:05) You know? (48:05) I mean, it's good to get online and get people's perspective of things, I think. (48:09) Like, when we were looking at pumps or, you know, various inform to get information.
Jen (48:15) Right?
Scott Benner (48:16) Yeah. (48:16) Yeah. (48:16) Go ahead.
Jen (48:19) But
Scott Benner (48:21) May I? (48:22) Yeah. (48:22) You trust yourself. (48:24) Yeah. (48:25) And so if we step out of this conversation and we and we you, as a doctor, look at you as a parent situation, you say, well, yeah.
Scott Benner (48:33) That person was able to go online, get things and synthesize it and put it together because they were a doctor and they had more critical thinking. (48:39) But what about the people who don't have the critical thinking? (48:41) So you think it's possible that you had success because you had knowledge that other people don't have. (48:46) I'm telling you that this works eight to 80, blind, cripple to crazy. (48:51) It doesn't matter.
Jen (48:51) It's just like a lot of things. (48:53) I mean, half my day is people coming into my office saying, well, I looked at this online or I found this on Google. (48:59) I asked chat GPT.
Scott Benner (49:00) Right. (49:01) Right. (49:01) And so you're freaked out because what if they're getting bad information, but you got good information when you did
Jen (49:07) it. (49:08) Right.
Scott Benner (49:08) That so my that's gonna be my problem when I'm talking to doctors. (49:12) So you've just identified for me what I have to change about my pitch. (49:16) Thank you. (49:18) Because, because here, I'll pitch it to you a different way. (49:21) You may or may not know this, but if you go to one of these AI, like, models at this point and ask a diabetes questions, it's gonna give you some pretty rock solid advice.
Jen (49:29) Oh, yeah.
Scott Benner (49:30) Yeah. (49:30) I just had a medical problem cleared up for me because of chat GPT.
Jen (49:35) Oh, definitely.
Scott Benner (49:35) Something I I struggled with forever. (49:37) I talked about on the podcast recently. (49:39) If you haven't heard it, it's worth listening to. (49:41) I was hilarious when I explained it. (49:43) But I'd still be struggling today if it wasn't for that.
Scott Benner (49:46) And you could say, well, you could have googled it. (49:47) I did Google it. (49:48) It didn't work out that way for me. (49:50) Like, I couldn't get an answer that way. (49:52) I've seen people drop their graphs into a model and ask it where they think they're making their mistakes with their insulin and without any context, it's being valuable to them.
Jen (50:01) Right.
Scott Benner (50:02) So but I get also that I don't want just people running around yelling out into the and whatever they hear echoed back at them, they just start doing. (50:10) But I'm I'm not saying that. (50:11) I'm saying that when a person is lost in the woods, if you don't have a flashlight and a map to give them, it still might be nice to stand off in the distance and yell, over here, and see if they can't make their way to you. (50:24) Right? (50:24) Right.
Scott Benner (50:25) That that's kind of how I think about it. (50:26) I know that the medical system, and for a lot of good reasons, does not think about it that way. (50:32) But, you know, I'm I'm gonna guess a couple 100,000 people listen to this podcast and, they're doing okay. (50:39) So, like, so I'm trying to figure out how to, like, how do I leave that message because I have until April. (50:45) I have until the April because I have, hey, Scott.
Scott Benner (50:50) I am the diabetes coordinator for the office, and I am thrilled to announce that you have been chosen as the keynote speaker at our symposium. (50:59) So I have about Yeah. (51:01) Three I got about three months to figure out how to say that. (51:08) So, anyway, I I I I like that you were I I could bounce it off of you for a second. (51:13) Thank you.
Scott Benner (51:13) Sure. (51:14) Yeah. (51:14) Yeah. (51:14) But I but your reaction told me a lot. (51:17) It was very helpful.
Scott Benner (51:18) Because you're you're a you're a lovely, reasonable, smart person. (51:21) I've been talking to you for an hour. (51:22) And you listen to the podcast and got value out of it. (51:26) And still when I said, should we tell other people about it? (51:28) You're like, oh, I don't know, man.
Scott Benner (51:32) That was pretty that was pretty good information for me. (51:35) I appreciate that. (51:36) Anything in your story that we haven't touched on, stuff that you wanted to talk about that we've missed? (51:40) I won't I don't wanna miss any of your topics.
Jen (51:42) I guess just talking about, like, the way that it's changed the way that I practice medicine a little bit.
Scott Benner (51:48) Yeah.
Jen (51:48) You know? (51:49) And it's not not just diabetes, but just really any chronic medical condition too. (51:54) One of the things that I try to address, I try to be a whole picture kind of person. (51:58) Mhmm. (51:58) So if I know I'm seeing a sibling of someone who's you know, I know the sibling has been undergoing cancer treatments or the sibling has had some health problems.
Jen (52:09) You know, I try to make sure that the siblings are okay and the families are okay and how can I help kind of thing? (52:17) Yeah. (52:18) Or what do you need kind of thing. (52:19) You know, I'd like to admit that I was like this before.
Scott Benner (52:23) You don't think you are?
Jen (52:24) I don't know. (52:25) I think that it has changed a little bit. (52:27) Like I said, I definitely know more about the school stuff and the five zero four and the you know, just in general, you know, I recently was on the school on the phone with a school for, like, almost an hour talking about a kid with a not diabetes, something else. (52:41) But I think it's just wanting to help those kids and those families navigate the health care system because it can be really challenging if you don't know what you're talking about.
Scott Benner (52:52) What I feel like I'm hearing is that as your family's story gets deeper and richer and you have more perspective and experiences, that's impacting how you're talking to people in the practice.
Jen (53:05) It is.
Scott Benner (53:06) That's what people mean when they, you know, when they say, like, oh, my doctor's great. (53:11) They've been doing this forever. (53:12) It's the it's the bad stuff. (53:14) It's the nuance stuff, the stuff that nobody teaches your rights in a book that you get out of out of that. (53:20) Like, it's it's life.
Scott Benner (53:22) Like, you have more you have more life now than you had before, and now you Right. (53:26) And you have a a really great place to apply it in. (53:28) Answer for me why is it that that stuff wasn't common sense before you had the life experience? (53:35) And this isn't me coming down on you. (53:36) This is me trying to understand the the human mind.
Scott Benner (53:39) Like because, honestly, now that you've said it out loud, it's not like it's some great, like, stroke of genius. (53:46) Right? (53:46) To say yeah. (53:47) To say to somebody, hey. (53:48) Your brother's sick.
Scott Benner (53:48) I'm gonna be a little more compassionate to you. (53:50) Like so what what do you think that is? (53:52) Is the job just so clinical that it doesn't allow for that, or what what is that?
Jen (53:57) It is. (53:58) And then a lot of it is time. (54:00) I'll be honest.
Scott Benner (54:01) Mhmm.
Jen (54:01) You know, if you're doing a well child check and you have fifteen to twenty minutes in with, like, with someone, you know, you're you're going over a lot of things in those that fifteen, twenty minutes. (54:11) But I think I've also learned to kinda pick and choose what needs to be gone over.
Scott Benner (54:16) Okay. (54:17) So your experiences are making you reallocate the time differently?
Jen (54:20) Correct.
Scott Benner (54:21) Gotcha. (54:22) It's like when they ask you, what's that one pediatrician thing that I they clearly you're supposed to assess their mental health, right, if they're depressed, and you do it with, like, one sentence. (54:31) What's the sentence? (54:32) Say it.
Jen (54:33) Well, there's different screenings that we're supposed to be doing with the kids. (54:37) Like, there's one called a PHQ nine. (54:39) I tend to just talk to the kids about how they're doing or if there was any concerns.
Scott Benner (54:43) I have an interesting experience because my my kid's pediatrician who's no longer their doctor, they're older now, but was a friend. (54:50) And so he'd, like, look and go, Arden, are you sad or anything?
Jen (54:57) I don't say that.
Scott Benner (54:58) Yeah. (54:58) And and he'd be she'd be like, no. (54:59) And he'd look at me, I go, she seems okay. (55:01) They're like, alright. (55:01) And then that was sort of how it would go.
Jen (55:05) Right. (55:05) Right.
Scott Benner (55:06) But yeah. (55:06) But you so you have, like, these little, like, lead in questions that you're supposed to ask, things you're looking for,
Jen (55:11) that kind of stuff. (55:12) Yeah. (55:12) And I think, like, I don't I tend to not argue with parents as much if they're wanting something that's relatively easy. (55:19) You know, a lot of people come in and they say, well, I want labs, or I want a referral, or I want this. (55:23) And a lot of the times, if it seems reasonable, I'm like, okay.
Scott Benner (55:27) And prior, you'd be like, this situation doesn't call for that, or I don't Right. (55:32) Right. (55:32) Instead, you're like, this will make them happy or comfortable or or satiated.
Jen (55:36) Exactly. (55:36) If you feel more comfortable checking some lab work and we have a reason, like, something we can code for and you're concerned, I'm fine doing it.
Scott Benner (55:44) Yeah. (55:44) Why I am you have a tough enough life. (55:46) Why am I making a fight here?
Jen (55:48) Exactly. (55:49) Exactly.
Scott Benner (55:49) And that comes from now you know what it's like to have a tougher life.
Jen (55:53) Right.
Scott Benner (55:53) Prior to Arden's diagnosis, I would tell you that I had a two year old and a, like, I don't know, four year old. (56:05) And I just bought a little house and we were fixing it up and we had a property and everything. (56:11) Like, we were doing okay and everything felt like it was going and I was like, oh, my life is this is what I was trying for. (56:16) Like, you know what I mean? (56:17) Like, all this stuff is happening.
Scott Benner (56:18) And prior to that, like, any of the hardships I had before that were gone. (56:22) Like, I'd I'd kind of, like, moved into another part of my life, you know, and then this happened. (56:28) And I was like, oh, god. (56:30) Like, this is I didn't expect this level of resistance from the world.
Jen (56:35) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (56:35) You know? (56:36) And it it was it it was really a shift. (56:39) And I'm wondering, like, did you have a similar experience where things were going okay and then suddenly this happened? (56:45) Or did you have a lot of struggles that prepared you for this?
Jen (56:49) No. (56:49) I think probably very similar experience, you know, when you're just cruising along. (56:54) And then, you know, my grandfather used to have an expression where he would say, man plans and god laughs. (57:00) So you know? (57:02) But I wouldn't say it changed too much.
Jen (57:03) I mean, we still travel. (57:05) You know, I think when you originally maybe get the news of the diagnosis, like, okay. (57:10) What's gonna change? (57:11) Right? (57:11) Well, we still travel.
Jen (57:13) We still do the things that we wanna you know, but you have to adjust. (57:17) So but I think that is the original fear, of course.
Scott Benner (57:20) Yeah. (57:21) So it's not perfect, but you still you make your way through it. (57:23) Okay?
Jen (57:24) Yeah. (57:24) We try.
Scott Benner (57:25) I feel badly when, like, you're talking about how, like, you know, how it impact how things can impact people. (57:30) Like, I mean, it was hard. (57:32) I'm not gonna say. (57:33) And, I've I've said this before. (57:35) It I I didn't have a podcast to listen to.
Scott Benner (57:38) You know, a lot of the things that I just say off the top of my head now that people are like, oh, Scott's so lucky. (57:42) Like, I had to figure all that out by, like Mhmm.
Jen (57:44) You know,
Scott Benner (57:44) living through horrible situations. (57:46) Still, I'm okay. (57:48) Mhmm. (57:48) You you know, you know, like, but it wasn't great. (57:50) Like, there was there was a there were years of, like, oh my god.
Scott Benner (57:54) This is going wrong. (57:56) You know? (57:56) And and this isn't gonna be okay, she's gonna have real problems. (57:59) And but I just I don't know why I didn't give up, to be perfectly honest with you. (58:03) I'm just happy that sort of not how I'm, like, built or whatever.
Scott Benner (58:06) But but now I look up and I see people who are have access to help or information or even ideas, you know, and then they can't get to them. (58:16) And then that that kinda breaks my heart too.
Jen (58:18) Oh, right.
Scott Benner (58:19) Because you know what people are going through. (58:21) And Absolutely. (58:22) Some of it's just not necessary.
Jen (58:24) Yeah. (58:25) And that Well and, I mean, I see a lot of kids who don't have supportive families, and it's you know, don't have transportation to their specialists and don't have people who are taking care of them. (58:37) And I think that that is even more difficult Yeah. (58:40) And sad.
Scott Benner (58:41) Out of 10 random people, how many kids do you think are living a life with a a parent that's not not, supportive in one of those ways?
Jen (58:52) You mean on a, like, on a regular day?
Scott Benner (58:54) Yeah. (58:54) Like, how many how many how many times a day do you walk out and just run your head into the concrete wall across from the door when you walk out?
Jen (59:00) Boy. (59:03) Multiple. (59:04) No. (59:05) Probably a handful.
Scott Benner (59:06) Yeah. (59:07) Yeah. (59:07) It's tough. (59:08) Yeah. (59:08) I mean, have you sat quietly and thought about that?
Scott Benner (59:11) Like, what's the help there, or is there just nothing to do? (59:14) Definitely. (59:15) Have you come up with any answers? (59:17) Like, how do you how do you circumvent a a parent that's not valuable in this situation?
Jen (59:21) I mean, it's definitely tricky. (59:23) You can't call CPS on everybody. (59:26) You know? (59:26) I try to just make sure that they have what they need and, you know, any referrals. (59:30) Or like I said, I try to say, how can I help?
Jen (59:33) You know? (59:34) Sometimes it's just a tricky situation.
Scott Benner (59:36) Yeah. (59:37) Does it end up I mean, you've been at it long enough now. (59:40) Think back ten years ago to a family that you were like, uh-oh. (59:43) This is a show, and this kid's in trouble. (59:45) Did it end up that way, or did it do do things have a way of working out when you don't expect them to?
Jen (59:51) It's hard to know from ten years ago because a lot of times people fall off the grid. (59:56) So, you know, if there was somebody at that point, they may not even be in our town anymore or in our practice or
Scott Benner (1:00:03) You don't
Jen (1:00:04) You know, hard to hard to know. (1:00:05) Right?
Scott Benner (1:00:06) Yeah. (1:00:07) You don't you don't always get to, like, see somebody all the way through. (1:00:10) Is that tough?
Jen (1:00:11) Exactly.
Scott Benner (1:00:11) Is it hard to, like, put so much effort into somebody and then not see the result, or is that part of the job?
Jen (1:00:17) I mean, it's kinda part of the job, I think. (1:00:19) Especially when you're in a practice with there's, there's six of us in our practice. (1:00:23) So, you know, I'm not always seeing the kids for everything. (1:00:27) So sometimes people will bounce back and forth between different doctors. (1:00:31) So you may see them for a little bit and then not see them for a little bit.
Scott Benner (1:00:34) Yeah. (1:00:35) People people don't even consistently come when they're supposed to? (1:00:39) No. (1:00:40) Oh, you said that like, no, dummy. (1:00:41) I can't believe you asked that like a question.
Scott Benner (1:00:43) I would never not do that. (1:00:46) That's why I like, it doesn't it doesn't occur to me.
Jen (1:00:49) Yeah. (1:00:49) Well, I'll see someone who said, oh, I haven't been here in three or four years. (1:00:52) So, well, a, you're lucky.
Scott Benner (1:00:55) Yeah.
Jen (1:00:55) Right? (1:00:56) That you haven't needed a doctor in three or four years. (1:00:58) And b, I say, well, you're here now, and that's all that matters.
Scott Benner (1:01:02) You just made the same noise my son made to me the other day when I said, like I I go this is gonna sound I don't know if this is gonna sound Pollyanna or childish. (1:01:10) I'm not sure. (1:01:11) But I said, man, so many people drink too much in the world. (1:01:14) It's not part of my lifestyle, so I don't really, like I'm not aware of it, I guess. (1:01:19) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (1:01:20) But he laughed and he went, yeah. (1:01:22) I I was like he's like, dude, everybody. (1:01:25) And I was like, gotcha. (1:01:28) It's also by the way, you do whatever you want. (1:01:30) I honestly don't I honestly don't care.
Scott Benner (1:01:32) We me and my kids had this conversation again recently about, like, judgment.
Jen (1:01:36) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (1:01:37) And I stood there and I was like, listen. (1:01:39) I am not judgmental. (1:01:41) I was like, you can live your life any way you want to. (1:01:45) That's not gonna stop me from assessing it the way I see it, but my assessment's not a judgment. (1:01:50) And I was like, and that's only a thing you can measure in my heart, so you have to believe me.
Scott Benner (1:01:55) Mhmm. (1:01:56) Like, like, if you ask me to talk about a life's ill, like, in, like, stark terms, I guess you'd be like, wow. (1:02:02) That's really judgmental. (1:02:03) But the part you wouldn't hear is that, like, I if that's their life and that's what they want, whatever. (1:02:09) Like, I don't really have an opinion about what other people do.
Scott Benner (1:02:12) I have an opinion about the idea, but not about your decision. (1:02:15) And I I keep, like, oh my god. (1:02:17) Are they gonna understand what I'm saying at some point or not? (1:02:20) Because I think people who listen to this would say, generally speaking, like, don't think Scott's judgmental at all. (1:02:24) Like, I think he's I'm pretty live and let live.
Scott Benner (1:02:26) Like, I'm a Mhmm. (1:02:27) You know, that that's my vibe. (1:02:29) But if you ask me, like, do I think you should be drinking a case of beer every couple of days? (1:02:33) I have some pretty strong thoughts about that. (1:02:35) Right.
Scott Benner (1:02:36) Yeah. (1:02:36) Yeah. (1:02:36) Yeah.
Jen (1:02:36) Me too.
Scott Benner (1:02:37) Yeah. (1:02:37) You're right. (1:02:38) But if that's what you're doing, like, go get it. (1:02:41) You know what I mean? (1:02:41) Like, it's sorry with me.
Scott Benner (1:02:43) Like, just, you know, pretty much it. (1:02:44) Anyway and so when I said that about the drinking, my son was like, yeah, durr. (1:02:49) Like, it was which is, anyway, what you just made me think of when I was like, do people not come to their appointment? (1:02:53) You're like, yeah, idiot. (1:02:55) They don't.
Scott Benner (1:02:55) Yeah. (1:02:56) Yeah. (1:02:56) What?
Jen (1:02:59) Sorry. (1:03:00) I didn't know that.
Scott Benner (1:03:02) I was like, I just like, if you tell me I made this baby and I gotta take care of it, I'm taking care of it. (1:03:10) Like, I don't know. (1:03:10) Like, I just that's again, I'm not even taking credit for it. (1:03:14) I think I'm just wired that way or my past experiences have put me in that situation or whatever. (1:03:19) Anyway, so okay.
Scott Benner (1:03:22) Well, this is interesting. (1:03:24) Like, I I do you think you'll keep practicing?
Jen (1:03:27) I do. (1:03:28) You know, I'm still young in the field of medicine, I guess. (1:03:32) I always think that maybe I'll do some other things, but this is kind of what I know how to do. (1:03:37) Mhmm. (1:03:37) So I don't really wanna start over and do something else.
Scott Benner (1:03:41) Well, if you keep that promise to yourself, and I can keep this podcast going, would you, like, come back in a few years?
Jen (1:03:49) Absolutely.
Scott Benner (1:03:50) I really wanna hear how you've morphed.
Jen (1:03:54) Okay.
Scott Benner (1:03:54) Yeah. (1:03:55) Because you're very new at this. (1:03:56) You don't even realize it. (1:03:57) You're like, no. (1:03:57) I've at this a year and and three the year and three months, Scott.
Scott Benner (1:04:00) I don't know you heard the three months. (1:04:01) Okay? (1:04:02) You're gonna like, three years from now, you're gonna have such a different perspective, and I am super interested to figure out how it impacts your profession.
Jen (1:04:10) Mhmm.
Scott Benner (1:04:11) Yeah. (1:04:11) Keep me in mind is what I'm saying. (1:04:13) I mean, did you have a good time?
Jen (1:04:15) Yeah. (1:04:15) Definitely.
Scott Benner (1:04:16) Good. (1:04:16) Good. (1:04:16) You're a little reserved, so sometimes I didn't know if I was insulting you or you're just being proper. (1:04:21) Do you know that about yourself? (1:04:22) Are are you being professional or you're reserved?
Jen (1:04:25) I don't know. (1:04:25) I talk on the phone to a lot of people, parents, and stuff, so maybe it's just me being
Scott Benner (1:04:30) You're like, you have a you were you were measured a couple of times. (1:04:32) You're like, oh, I'm not gonna say that out loud. (1:04:34) He joked about this. (1:04:35) I will not respond to that. (1:04:39) But but but I made you laugh a couple of times, which made me feel yeah.
Scott Benner (1:04:42) Yeah. (1:04:42) Yeah. (1:04:42) I'm like, oh, I got to her. (1:04:44) Which, by the way, is why I told the masseuse, let's not start. (1:04:48) Okay?
Scott Benner (1:04:49) Because if you start chatting me up, I am gonna feel like a compulsion to make you laugh, and I'm trying to relax. (1:04:57) Okay? (1:04:58) Yeah. (1:04:59) You're really you're lovely, Jennifer. (1:05:01) Thank you.
Jen (1:05:02) Well, thank you.
Scott Benner (1:05:03) Seriously. (1:05:03) Do you think you'll keep listening to the podcast for support community, or do you think you were there for information and you have it?
Jen (1:05:11) I think I will. (1:05:12) I tend to be a little bit choosy, can I say? (1:05:16) You know, a lot of things that I see online and things that I look at are younger kids. (1:05:21) Mhmm. (1:05:21) And, you know, while it's still helpful for me maybe in practice, not really personally.
Scott Benner (1:05:29) Might not feel the same.
Jen (1:05:30) Yeah. (1:05:30) So it just it feels a little bit different. (1:05:32) But, so I I kinda go through the podcast and look for things about teenagers and various things.
Scott Benner (1:05:38) And Yeah.
Jen (1:05:40) So it hits home a little bit more for me.
Scott Benner (1:05:42) Gotcha. (1:05:42) Yeah. (1:05:43) Well, don't miss knowing all of your tools part one and part two because in part two, I talk about the medical thing that happened to me. (1:05:49) And Okay. (1:05:49) If nothing else, I believe I was hilarious when I explained it.
Scott Benner (1:05:53) So you don't wanna miss that. (1:05:54) I also think that not that not that I'm telling look. (1:05:58) And I crank out a lot of content. (1:05:59) I'm not telling you you have to listen to 20 episodes a month. (1:06:01) Although, I please do.
Scott Benner (1:06:03) But it but what I am saying is that I think there's something in those stories sometimes that you don't know the value of until the day you need it, and then suddenly you have it. (1:06:14) Maybe not unlike, you know, what you're learning about, you know, your own personal experiences and how they're helping you at work. (1:06:21) So Right. (1:06:22) I just like to tell people that one of the reasons like, when people are like, why don't the the descriptions of the podcast tell you exactly what the episode's about? (1:06:31) There's a couple of reasons.
Scott Benner (1:06:32) One, if you even just stop and think about the last hour, what the hell was this about? (1:06:36) You you know what I mean? (1:06:37) Like, how you breaking that down? (1:06:38) You you you can't break that down into a sentence. (1:06:40) But Right.
Scott Benner (1:06:41) Two, let's say it was about, like, I don't know, celiac. (1:06:45) And, you know, like, say that when we got done, you were like, well, what we basically talked about here was celiac and this. (1:06:50) I know it's not what we talked about, but, like, let's say that was it. (1:06:52) And I put that in the description. (1:06:54) Today, Jen comes on.
Scott Benner (1:06:55) She's a pediatrician who's blah blah blah blah blah. (1:06:58) And you see two words, you go, I don't need that part. (1:07:00) Mhmm. (1:07:01) And then you miss the rest of it.
Jen (1:07:03) That's true.
Scott Benner (1:07:04) That's the thing about it. (1:07:06) Maybe I'm giving myself credit, I don't mean to be. (1:07:08) But I think that these conversations are really valuable in ways you can't even know all the time even while you're listening to them. (1:07:16) And and sometimes it takes time before you go, oh, I'm glad I heard that.
Jen (1:07:20) Right. (1:07:21) So Right.
Scott Benner (1:07:21) Anyway, keep listening if you like. (1:07:23) If you don't, there's other people listening. (1:07:25) I'll be okay, Jen.
Jen (1:07:26) I will.
Scott Benner (1:07:26) Alright. (1:07:27) Hold on one second for me. (1:07:28) Okay? (1:07:28) You really were terrific. (1:07:29) Thank you.
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Jen (1:07:30) Thank you.
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